Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat
64.7 C actually but its vapours starting coming off quite a bit before that point so Gregs figure of 60 C is well worth bearing in mind. B.r., David -Original Message- From: Trudy Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com biofuel@egroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Here's a simple way to heat your methanol. Keep it inside. If your spouse won't allow you to keep it inside, place your sealed container in your car with the windows rolled up on a sunny day and the sun will warm it up in a few hours. I wouldn't heat methanol with flame since its boiling pt. is 140F/60C. Greg -- Original Message -- From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:31:16 -0800 Boy that sounds familiar.. so youthink heating the methanol would allow me to use less of it to dissolve the same amount of lye? hehehe any idea how dangerous that might be? Usually when I add the lye it heats up on its own.. I just have to stir it like crazy and let it sit for a while... I have had plenty of gunk but no one to say for positive what it was... Thanks for the info.. ---Bryan - Original Message - From: Trudy Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Remember to heat your oil to 120F / 50C prior to adding the methanol/lye mixture. The boiling point of methanol is 140F/66C. Don't forget that the Methanol must be not be cold, otherwise the lye won't dissolve!! Keep the methanol inside. I had heated my oil, but kept my methanol in my unheated garage. I had 100 liters/25 gal of unuseable gunk. -- Original Message -- From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:02:00 -0800 That sounds pretty good but I wonder if you are using enough lye.. Of course if you're a good boy (G) and did your titration then I guess I have no field to comment.. I like about 250-300 ml of methanol to about 7g of lye.. but then my oil tends to be pretty solid and brown. I had to heat my last batch quite a while to get it melted.. the trick is not to get it too hot (past the methanol boiling point) and to not get any water in with it.. I say that because I store my used grease outside and sometimes condensation gets in the buckets. My glycerin mix is always very solid. Does this mean it has lots of soaps in it? I have no idea.. I do know that if I miscalculate on my methoxide mixture and have to reprocess it then the glycerin is always liquid and I can't get it to solidify for nothing.. having it get hard makes it easier to pour off the bio-diesel.. Steve if you could comment on this that would be great... ttygl ---Bryan - Original Message - From: Albert le Dub [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Does anybody knows how I can make biodiesel from WVO, which is solid at roomtemperature? I tried, but after reaktion the oil is still more or less solid. I used 70 liters solid WVO from a snackhouse, 20% methanol (15 liters), 6 gram lye per liter WVO en mixed 2 hours at 45 degrees Celsius. (of course I first dissolved the lye into the methanol) Before putting the methanol/lye into the WVO I heated the WVO up to 45 degrees Celsius. After the reaktion, the bottom layer gets solid after cooling. So there must be soap en glycerine! When using liquid WVO I had no problems. What went wrong? Albert Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Create your business web site your way now at Bigstep.com. It's the fast, easy way to get online, to promote your business, and to sell your products and services. Try Bigstep.com now. http://click.egroups.com/1/9183/2/_/837408/_/974228955/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat
Here's a simple way to heat your methanol. Keep it inside. If your spouse won't allow you to keep it inside, place your sealed container in your car with the windows rolled up on a sunny day and the sun will warm it up in a few hours. I wouldn't heat methanol with flame since its boiling pt. is 140F/60C. Greg -- Original Message -- From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:31:16 -0800 Boy that sounds familiar.. so youthink heating the methanol would allow me to use less of it to dissolve the same amount of lye? hehehe any idea how dangerous that might be? Usually when I add the lye it heats up on its own.. I just have to stir it like crazy and let it sit for a while... I have had plenty of gunk but no one to say for positive what it was... Thanks for the info.. ---Bryan - Original Message - From: Trudy Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Remember to heat your oil to 120F / 50C prior to adding the methanol/lye mixture. The boiling point of methanol is 140F/66C. Don't forget that the Methanol must be not be cold, otherwise the lye won't dissolve!! Keep the methanol inside. I had heated my oil, but kept my methanol in my unheated garage. I had 100 liters/25 gal of unuseable gunk. -- Original Message -- From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:02:00 -0800 That sounds pretty good but I wonder if you are using enough lye.. Of course if you're a good boy (G) and did your titration then I guess I have no field to comment.. I like about 250-300 ml of methanol to about 7g of lye.. but then my oil tends to be pretty solid and brown. I had to heat my last batch quite a while to get it melted.. the trick is not to get it too hot (past the methanol boiling point) and to not get any water in with it.. I say that because I store my used grease outside and sometimes condensation gets in the buckets. My glycerin mix is always very solid. Does this mean it has lots of soaps in it? I have no idea.. I do know that if I miscalculate on my methoxide mixture and have to reprocess it then the glycerin is always liquid and I can't get it to solidify for nothing.. having it get hard makes it easier to pour off the bio-diesel.. Steve if you could comment on this that would be great... ttygl ---Bryan - Original Message - From: Albert le Dub [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Does anybody knows how I can make biodiesel from WVO, which is solid at roomtemperature? I tried, but after reaktion the oil is still more or less solid. I used 70 liters solid WVO from a snackhouse, 20% methanol (15 liters), 6 gram lye per liter WVO en mixed 2 hours at 45 degrees Celsius. (of course I first dissolved the lye into the methanol) Before putting the methanol/lye into the WVO I heated the WVO up to 45 degrees Celsius. After the reaktion, the bottom layer gets solid after cooling. So there must be soap en glycerine! When using liquid WVO I had no problems. What went wrong? Albert Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/837408/_/974227758/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Boidiesel mixer
While used for stirring mash in an insulated tun rather than for biodiesel, my mixer may be of interest to others. The drive is an old windscreen wiper motor bought for £1 at a local sale. Its output ( on an extended shaft) is about 70 degrees of arc reversing in alternate directions. This gives a good degree of turbulence with a flat blade. In order to get some large-scale circulation going, the flat blade was replaced with a piece of 1 and 1/4 inch dia pipe, cut down the middle from each end not quite to the central axis. Opposite trough-shapes were removed from each half-blade. If that sounds complicated, just think of a cup anenometer :-) Now, when it rotates back and forth, there is a bias one way and we get both turbulence and circulation. The 3 amp fuse in my 12 V power supply has survived, and the motor is only warm after one hour of stirring. David Teal -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/837408/_/974230916/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat
Actually it is my fathers policy to keep all flammables outdoors.. I guess he saw one too many houses burning or something.. I live in Vancouver Wa. not all that far from Seattle.. we can go many days without seeing the sun(G)... I suppose I could bring my measured amount and put it in a pail of hot water.. that should do it.. thanks for the info though... --Bryan - Original Message - From: Trudy Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Here's a simple way to heat your methanol. Keep it inside. If your spouse won't allow you to keep it inside, place your sealed container in your car with the windows rolled up on a sunny day and the sun will warm it up in a few hours. I wouldn't heat methanol with flame since its boiling pt. is 140F/60C. Greg -- Original Message -- From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:31:16 -0800 Boy that sounds familiar.. so youthink heating the methanol would allow me to use less of it to dissolve the same amount of lye? hehehe any idea how dangerous that might be? Usually when I add the lye it heats up on its own.. I just have to stir it like crazy and let it sit for a while... I have had plenty of gunk but no one to say for positive what it was... Thanks for the info.. ---Bryan - Original Message - From: Trudy Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Remember to heat your oil to 120F / 50C prior to adding the methanol/lye mixture. The boiling point of methanol is 140F/66C. Don't forget that the Methanol must be not be cold, otherwise the lye won't dissolve!! Keep the methanol inside. I had heated my oil, but kept my methanol in my unheated garage. I had 100 liters/25 gal of unuseable gunk. -- Original Message -- From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:02:00 -0800 That sounds pretty good but I wonder if you are using enough lye.. Of course if you're a good boy (G) and did your titration then I guess I have no field to comment.. I like about 250-300 ml of methanol to about 7g of lye.. but then my oil tends to be pretty solid and brown. I had to heat my last batch quite a while to get it melted.. the trick is not to get it too hot (past the methanol boiling point) and to not get any water in with it.. I say that because I store my used grease outside and sometimes condensation gets in the buckets. My glycerin mix is always very solid. Does this mean it has lots of soaps in it? I have no idea.. I do know that if I miscalculate on my methoxide mixture and have to reprocess it then the glycerin is always liquid and I can't get it to solidify for nothing.. having it get hard makes it easier to pour off the bio-diesel.. Steve if you could comment on this that would be great... ttygl ---Bryan - Original Message - From: Albert le Dub [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel from solid WVfat Does anybody knows how I can make biodiesel from WVO, which is solid at roomtemperature? I tried, but after reaktion the oil is still more or less solid. I used 70 liters solid WVO from a snackhouse, 20% methanol (15 liters), 6 gram lye per liter WVO en mixed 2 hours at 45 degrees Celsius. (of course I first dissolved the lye into the methanol) Before putting the methanol/lye into the WVO I heated the WVO up to 45 degrees Celsius. After the reaktion, the bottom layer gets solid after cooling. So there must be soap en glycerine! When using liquid WVO I had no problems. What went wrong? Albert Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/837408/_/974233174/
[biofuel] supplier of Methanol in UK??
Hi all.. Just starting to get suppliers and stuff together to try out making a batch of bio-diesel, and my main stumbling block is finding a supplier for Methanol in the UK. Any suggestions please?? Chris -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/837408/_/974236531/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: supplier of Methanol in UK??
methanol based dry-gas at the autoparts store, or racing fuel at a race track. or most chemical companies. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, chris rudge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all.. Just starting to get suppliers and stuff together to try out making a batch of bio-diesel, and my main stumbling block is finding a supplier for Methanol in the UK. Any suggestions please?? Chris -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/837408/_/974240589/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Index of documents in the Files section
Biofuel mailing list Index of documents in the Files section Cellulose to ethanol - flow-chart of Arkenol's process. http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/Arkenol.gif Fuel From Sawdust -- by Mike Brown (from Acres, USA, 19 June 1983): Conversion of cellulose, such as sawdust, cornstalks, newspaper and other substances, to alcohol -- a fairly uncomplicated and straightforward process. http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/sawdust.html The Butterfield still -- This report provides details concerning the design, construction, operation and performance of the FSB Energy Fuel Alcohol Plant. (Word 6) http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/autostill.doc The Butterfield still -- This report provides details concerning the design, construction, operation and performance of the FSB Energy Fuel Alcohol Plant. (rtf) http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/autostill.rtf Biodiesel information http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/biodiesel_info.html Bibliography on Butanol http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/butanol_bib.html Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel In MotherEarth folder. Chapter 1: Basic Steps in the Production of Ethyl Alcohol http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/MotherEarth/meCh1.html Alcohol as an Engine Fuel http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/MotherEarth/me1.html How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl Alcohol Use http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/MotherEarth/me2.html Ron Novak's Do-It-Yourself Water Injection System http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/MotherEarth/me3.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Ten Speed Press © Copyright 1980 J.A. Diaz Publications Out of print In manual folder Chapter index http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual_ToC.html Chapter 1 AN OVERVIEW http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual1-2.html Alcohol Fuel Uses of Alcohol Fuel Other Alternative Fuels Chapter 2 BASIC FUEL THEORY http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual1-2.html#ch2 Chemical Composition Combustion Properties Volatility Octane Ratings Water Injection Exhaust Composition Engine Performance - Straight Alcohol Engine Performance - Alcohol Blends Chapter 3 UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual3.html Methods of Utilization Alcohol Blends Pure Alcohol Diesel Engines Engine Modification Alcohol Injection Chapter 4 ETHANOL PRODUCTION - GENERAL DISCUSSION http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual4-5.html Raw Materials Manufacturing Steps Process Design Chapter 5 PROCESSING STEPS COMMON TO ALL MATERIALS http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual4-5.html#ch5 Dilution Ph Control Backslopping Cleanliness Hydrometers Chapter 6 PROCESSING STEPS SPECIFIC TO SACCHARINE MATERIALS http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual6-7.html General Description Extraction Chapter 7 PROCESSING STEPS SPECIFIC TO STARCHY MATERIALS http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual6-7.html#ch7 Preparation of Starchy Materials Milling Cooking Conversion Malting Premalting Preparation of Malt Enzyme Conversion Acid Hydrolosis Mash Cooling Chapter 8 PROCESSING STEPS SPECIFIC TO CELLULOSE MATERIALS http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual8-10.html Cellulose Conversion Chapter 9 YEAST AND FERMENTATION http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual8-10.html#ch9 Yeast Yeast Preparation Fermentation Fermentation By-products Note of Caution Chapter 10 INDIVIDUAL RAW MATERIALS http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual8-10.html#ch10 Sugar/Starch Content vs Alcohol Saccharine Materials Fruits Molasses Cane Sorghum Sugar Beets Sugar Corn Wastes Starchy Materials Grains Jerusalem Artichokes Potatoes Sweet Potatoes Cellolose Materials Multiple Enzyme Treatment Chapter 11 DISTILLATION http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual11.html Distillation Theory The Reflux Column Chapter 12 DRYING THE ALCOHOL http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual12.html General Description Absorption Methods Drying With Lime Azetropic Methods Chapter 13 MASHING AND FERMENTATION EQUIPMENT http://www.egroups.com/files/biofuel/manual/manual13.html General Discussion Batch Cooking and Mashing Equipment Fermentation Equipment -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Create your business web site your way now at Bigstep.com. It's the fast, easy way to get online, to promote your business, and to sell your products and services. Try Bigstep.com now. http://click.egroups.com/1/9183/2/_/837408/_/974261000/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Glycerin and Glucose
Well, first things first: glyc can't be broken down to glucose since it has fewer C atoms. Second: glyc is a flat chain of three C atoms, glucose is a ring compound of five C atoms and one O. So glucose is a heterogeneous ring compound. There is a process called glycerolysys in bio-reactions - apparently it happens in our bodies too, but I'm not quite sure what exactly is happening. A simple way to convert glyc to sugar - that one I don't know. Cheers, Aleks -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/837408/_/974267002/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Using the list archive
The list archive now contains nearly 1,300 messages from the eight months since it started. It's in the Messages section at the list website. From here you can read and respond to messages or post new ones. You can view messages by date, or by thread, collapsed to show only the subject, sender and date, or expanded to show the whole message. There is a LOT of information in the archives. It's very easy to search. Try a search for zeolite for instance, and you'll quickly be given quite a few messages on separating ethanol and water, including information on other methods and links to technical information and other resources, as well as to the main reason for drying ethanol: how to make ethyl ester biodiesel. You could also have searched for limestone, copper sulphate, molecular sieve or corn grits, or ethyl esters, and a number of other things for similar results with interesting variations. As a database, it's getting to have depth. There's also a lot of news in there. The archive is already a unique resource of information on biofuels and alternative energy. The bigger the list grows and the longer it continues, the more depth the archive will have and the more valuable it will become. Please use it. Enjoy! http://www.egroups.com/messages/biofuel Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/837408/_/974271416/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Glycerin and Glucose
not aware of how this could be done. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel n.g. biofuel@egroups.com Cc: DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: [biofuel] Glycerin and Glucose Steve, Keith et al, Just looking through a friends Merck Index the other night and under Glycerol which is the same as glycerin it said it could be broken down to Glucose. Didnt take any note of the formula as I would then be able to probably work it out but if this could be done it would/should then be possible to make biodiesel, convert the glycerin waste to glucose, and then ferment this into ethanol. Does anyone know anything about this and is it easy to convert glycerin to glucose? B.r., David -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/837408/_/974293032/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
