[biofuel] Cellulose to sugar in a heat reactor
http://128.242.218.9/wd4601/wf53.gif Cellulose to sugar in a heat reactor Just a diagram, no text. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] First Batch
Hi Steve and All, Not Bad, 5 webconx signatures and 8 Journey to Forever signatures at 29k for a 4 line comment ;-). Thanks to everyone who is editing now. It really helps e-mail down load time, headroom ,archive space and cost. Thank you, jerry dycus --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "We did not inherit the earth > from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". > > Now you are starting to sound like Jay Hansen > > It has a ring to it, but I don't believe all is > quite yet lost. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] text
Quote from Outlook Express help: "On the Tools menu, click Options. On the Send tab, in the News Sending Format section, select Plain Text, and then click the Plain Text Settings button. In the text box for Automatically wrap text at x characters when sending, type the number of characters you want displayed per line." The same applies to email plain test settings. David Teal Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
"Stolen" planet? - was Re: [biofuel] First Batch
>"We did not inherit the earth >from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". > >Now you are starting to sound like Jay Hansen > >It has a ring to it, but I don't believe all is quite yet lost. No, not yet quite all! You got it right first time Steve. It's a Kenyan saying. I reckon old Die-off Jay has a lot more fans (?) in the post-modern West, where life ain't tough but it's angstig, than in Kenya, where life is tough for many, maybe for most, but people don't forget to smile. It's increasingly fashionable for we the privileged to see us humans as a suicidal species and the sooner the better. Everybody else (the majority) would prolly agree that we're the main problem with our insane consumption and waste patterns, but if we want to do a mass suicide that's our prerogative but please don't bring them into it. Or rather please STOP bringing them into it. On the other hand, huge numbers of Westerners, more by the minute, are devoting their time and energy to stopping the rot, and the injustice and exploitation, so that we can indeed duly hand on this rather pleasantly appointed little planet to the children we've borrowed it from in good order. And it mostly is still in surprisingly good order. All's indeed not yet lost, and there's good reason to hope that it won't be. So don't forget to smile! By the way, anyone taken in by Jay's highly non-representative picture of "primitive" life, set in a mediaeval French village ground down by an evil feudalism rather than a lack of Big Oil, should check this out as an antidote: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02healthlibrary/0203longevitycat/020305pp nf/PPNF.HTML Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (If the link comes through broken, just paste it back together again.) Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >Steve Spence >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > >Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com >Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm >X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax >We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, >we borrow it from our children. >-- > >- Original Message - >From: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Cc: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:31 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > Also believe Steve does not have it quite right when he says at the bottom > > of his pages that: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we > > borrow it from our children". Tricky lanquage this english language. >Believe > > he has the tense wrong and it should read: "We did not inherit the earth > > from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". Still I have nothing > > against optimists as I like to see myself as one, but believe self > > improvement is only possible when we face the truth, admit it to >ourselves, > > and then go on to make the necessary adjustments for improvements to >occur. > > Honesty is only possible when we start with ourselves first. > > Best of luck with your efforts. > > B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] text
stephen lakios wrote: > Hi, were do you set the text width? I am still trying to figure out these > dang things. I spend a lot of time trying to reboot this #%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] > computor. I type with one finger.I flunked typing three times,just cant make > my fingers and these little keys meet to well. stephen > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > That depends on what browser you're using. . . In Netscape, there are pull down menus at the top. One of these is entitled "Edit". From there, you go to "Preferences". A window will pop up, and you can select the "messages" category under "mail and newsgroups". On the RH side, a feature allows you to set "text wrapping" for a specific value. Set this to 72 characters or less. I don't use Explorer, but I'm sure it has a similar feature. If you type with only one finger, you're making a tremendous effort to contribute!!! When I took typing during my freshman year in high school, I finished the class with a speed of 15 words per minute. Many years later, I can easily type at 80 words per minute--so there is hope! (Now, if I could only work on the biofuel thing. . .) robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel
Indeed it does. You are starting to make some sense. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel > > > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Because I'm American, and I'd rather give my money to free American > >workers > > >than Arab dictators. > > > >Heh. I think you need to do some homework on just who you're giving > >your money to. Do you mean as opposed to unfree American workers? > > > >Okay, so you're American, but the benefits of biodiesel, and it's > >current use, spread rather far beyond the boundaries of the US, as > >does the membership of this mailing list. > > > Why didn't you just say so the first time? I certainly didn't mean to leave > out the rest of the world. > > Let me revise my statement: "...biodiesel has the advantage of supporting > your OWN countrymen." > > > Troy > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] First Batch
"We did not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". Now you are starting to sound like Jay Hansen It has a ring to it, but I don't believe all is quite yet lost. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > Ed, > Very good engines but still a bit on the hungry side. Still must admit > that when it comes to trucks you americans had it right in a time of plenty > as regards fuel with your philosphy that "cubes is power" as there is no > such thing as free or even cheap motoring and this is the only way an engine > will last when it is not overworked or overstressed. Will be interesting to > see what happens over the next fifty years or so though. I get the feeling > that future generations will look back in absolute horror at the absolute > waste, greed and selfishness of the present and immediate past generations. > Undoubtedly you americans unfortunately will be up there at the top of the > list. As they say ignorance is bliss. Thank goodness as the known reserves > of oil have more or less peaked an awareness is occuring. > Suggest if you want to remove metal particles and other contaminants from > used engine oil that you set up a filtering system using a Frantz type > by-pass oil filter to remove and filter them out and to circulate your oil a > few times. This type of filter can and will remove particles down to 1 > micron (absolute not nominal) and submicron levels (down as low as > 0.1micron). Something no spin-on Factory Full Flow Filter can do. Best these > will get down to is normally 10 micron (nominal not absolute). Very few of > these even get below 20-25 micron with a majority remaining in the 30 micron > plus level. In my opinion a by-pass filter should be mandatory by law for > every vehicle on the road. Believe the oil companies and vehicle > manufacturers have a lot to answer for. > Also believe Steve does not have it quite right when he says at the bottom > of his pages that: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we > borrow it from our children". Tricky lanquage this english language. Believe > he has the tense wrong and it should read: "We did not inherit the earth > from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". Still I have nothing > against optimists as I like to see myself as one, but believe self > improvement is only possible when we face the truth, admit it to ourselves, > and then go on to make the necessary adjustments for improvements to occur. > Honesty is only possible when we start with ourselves first. > Best of luck with your efforts. > B.r., David > > -Original Message- > From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:43 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > >cogen units in the shed ;-) > > > >Steve Spence > >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > >http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > >Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > >Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > >X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >(212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > >We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > >we borrow it from our children. > >-- > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Ed Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:36 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > > > >> VW engines with shavings in them would be mostly from the abuse and > >neglect > >> heaped upon them by their owners who don't know where the hood latch and > >> drain plug is (and block heater, and air filter, and water separator, > >> and...) ...wait a minute, that's more true of Volvo owners...well, at > >least > >> that solves the mystery of why the VW diesel never lasted very long in a > >> Volvo! > >> > >> The VW wears at 10 times the rate of the Cummins, so if a VW engine lasts > >> 500,000 kms, Ed's probably going to be driving that Dodge a long time > even > >> with a few microscopic bits of stuff in a small amount of oil (as a > >> percentage) of fuel. > >> > >> BTW, what are we going to do with all those 100-year Cummins engines > >after > >> the rest of the 10-year Dodge wears out? > >> > >> ;-) > >> > >> Ed > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >> > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:14:01 -0500 > >> > To: > >> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >> > > >> > VW engines ;-) > >> > > >> >
[biofuel] shavings?
If you have shavings something is very wrong. Small little specks of metal would be more the norm. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bryan Fullerton
Have your timing checked,and your injection pump and inectors.If you have a constant pressure rail system have your computors and relays checked.Most glow plugs last years,have your electrical system checked also,there may be to much amperage to them. The switch may be defective,they may be on to long.Outside of the prechamber the filiments usually burn up. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Troy
The wankel was a good idea but in practice failed,mostly due to unprepared or uneducated mechanics and owners. Sealing was a problem in older engines,maintenance was lax. I still like the idea,and it would be well suited for alcohol.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] text
Hi, were do you set the text width? I am still trying to figure out these dang things. I spend a lot of time trying to reboot this #%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] computor. I type with one finger.I flunked typing three times,just cant make my fingers and these little keys meet to well. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES
Good question. I meant the inefficiencies of the wankel were irrelevant to the new engine not irrelevant to life. :) Actually the engine is constructed as a combined heat and power unit so the overall efficiency should be very high, provided it is heat demand controlled. You may be right about the NOx. I have read NOx emmissions are related to combustion temperature. I didn't know they was related to pressure. Are you saying any open flame combustion produces significant NOx? Malcolm - Original Message - From: "John Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES > Hi Malcolm > How do inefficiencies become irrelevant in an external combustion engine ? > Do you know how they get the NOx emissions down so low in an external > combustion situation, most times they go up as the combustion pressure goes > down. > Regards > John Harris > > -Original Message- > From: malcolm.scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 7 March 2001 1:58 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES > > > >No this is not a wankel. it has the same piston shape but is external > >combustion, so the inefficiencies and emmission problems of the wankel are > >not relevant. > >Malcolm > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:47 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Sustainable Energy Employment Options
> Does anyone have contacts for prospective employers in the fields of: > > Anerobic digester design, sales and startup. > TIA, your responses are appreciated. http://www.msu.edu/~rozdilsk/adpaper.htm http://www.williamsenergy.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES
Hi Malcolm How do inefficiencies become irrelevant in an external combustion engine ? Do you know how they get the NOx emissions down so low in an external combustion situation, most times they go up as the combustion pressure goes down. Regards John Harris -Original Message- From: malcolm.scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 7 March 2001 1:58 Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES >No this is not a wankel. it has the same piston shape but is external >combustion, so the inefficiencies and emmission problems of the wankel are >not relevant. >Malcolm > >- Original Message - >From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:47 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Hi Jerry Did I miss something on methanol there or was the lead for gasification? Thanks John Harris -Original Message- From: Jerry Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 7 March 2001 1:01 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol >Check out BG Technologies at >http://www.bgtechnologies.net/eng/index.htm >- Original Message SNIP>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES
No this is not a wankel. it has the same piston shape but is external combustion, so the inefficiencies and emmission problems of the wankel are not relevant. Malcolm - Original Message - From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES > The seals were less than efficient, but the wankel is making a return, and > it looks like they may have fixed the issue. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES > > > > > > > > > > >From: "malcolm.scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >First time I've seen this engine. It looks good enough to be a scam. > > > > > > I've always heard the Wankel rotary engines use lots of gas and burn oil > > excessively. > > > > Troy > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Check out BG Technologies at http://www.bgtechnologies.net/eng/index.htm - Original Message - From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol > Hi Bud, Lois and All, > --- Bud & Lois Pitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone out there have a good way to make > > methanol out of wood products? I have a small > > sawmill and a lot of sawdust and wood chip that > > should make a good quality methanol, but I'm as dumb > > as dirt about the process so I would have to be lead > > by the hand for a while. I also have a complete > > machine shop so I'm sure that fabricating the > > equipment needed would be no problem. Please advise > The only method I know of is to heat wood chips > in a sealed vessel to 1000F and run the off gasses, > mostly methane and H2, thru 20 ft of insullated copper > tubing with a copper scrubber pulled apart and pulled > thru the copper tube for more catalytic surface area > then cool thru a radiator or cooled copper tubes. > Copper wire or a smaller copper tube should work if > you can't get a scrubie. Use wood without a lot of > resin like yellow pine because you would get acetone > and other chemicals. > The liquid will be mostly methanol. Gasses left > over can be used to fire the process. > This info came from a Home Power article on > gasification on their 1st CD. A great reference. > If you try it let us know how it works. Biodiesel > people need a cheap source of methanol. > For the prices methanol is selling for nowdays it > could be a business in itself. > Hope this helps, > jerry dycus > > > > It's the PITTS > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
