Re: [biofuel] I misstated the price of corn
ok, where can I get soy oil for $1/gallon and the presses. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: [biofuel] I misstated the price of corn It is currently 70 dollars a ton, cheaper than pellatized wood. Soybean oil is $1.00 gallon, all you want. They are shutting down the presses and putting them up for auction, Need a market for $1.00 soybean oil!! How would one edit a message that is posted, is that possible? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] by-pass filters, ag waste, us kings, and vacuum pumps...
From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: by-pass filter 'We are talking about two different by-pass filters here...' *superb posting, david !! thanks for the effort, we all need to know as much about filtering as we possibly can. keep the hammer flying, the nail will be eventually be driven home...(:-D) cheers, dick. From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: glycerine and absolute alcohol *i personally find marc's postings to be...well...epatant !!! what ? *except for a remark he makes offhand in the following one : 'The energy balance is not the whole story in any case. If the energy input is from a waste product and the energy out is in the form of high-grade liquid fuel, there is a net gain no matter how many BTUs are on which side of the ledger. A low pressure steam plant burning ag waste can furnish...' *there really is no such thing as 'ag waste'. if left to naturally transform, it will become organic matter, and help sequester carbon dioxide. if burnt it will produce carbondioxide, and then the carbon equation goes belly up. and when the carbon equation finally unbalances for good, we won't have any need for fuels or energy or whatever. 'cause we won't be around to make use of them. *also, ag waste soon becomes something else, as demand increases, and ag waste supplies dwindle. and before long we're providing the necessary energy byyou guessed right, chopping 'ag waste' trees down. *those selfsame trees we're losing at the rate of 3.5 % of remaining cover every ten years because nobody's planting trees for firewood (or clear lumber for that matter). *so it would make me infinitely happier if 'ag waste' is not taken lightly, but rather given a place in the energy equation. if we're going to use biomass for anything, we're going to have to replace biomass as part of the overall strategy. *maybe putting trees down so that down the road we have the required firewood. maybe going the hemp way. maybe mowing grass. or cropping sugar cane. but we will have to provide ex-ante the inputs necessary for the ex-post expected results. *and when we do that, we'll suddenly realize that what used to be 'ag waste' is now a precious commodity. *aside : marc, polytechnicien ? --- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Chip off the Old Block - or - Like Father, Like Son That's a big no. The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life. The American way of life is a blessed one. - White House press secretary Ari Fleischer on whether President Bush would call on drivers to sharply reduce their fuel consumption. Or It's about preserving the American lifestyle. - President George Bush Sr., regarding the UN action dubbed Desert Storm, January, 1991. *i have never understood why a country of such indubitable greatness as the us at times chooses to elect such shoddy, egotistical, narrow-minded, and short-sighted 'leaders'. *(not to speak of regan, who really took the price, and was elected twice) *you're not alone in this one todd, believe me...!!! vacuum pumps : i use pressure in my plants. very convenient. easy and cheap to produce. standard fittings, accessories, etc, available all over. pump meth and oil to the reactor by pressuring holding containers. pump glycerol and biodiesel out of the reactor by pressuring reactor. pressure vent all meth fumes to a manifold. i find vacuum to be a very elegant solution, but somewhat expensive and complex. compressed air is perhaps worth considering... ??? cheers, dick. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
Keith - you have only so much time left in this world - why waste it? We have had enough problems with time-wasters in the past - ditch them by the fastest possible means. Re Volvo and the Olsson report - the matter has been referred to the Environment Committee, Sweden, by Volvo UK and I am awaiting results and re-vamping of their retraction - the first version was quite unapologetic, despite the fact that editors who have used the story lay themselves open to complaints to the Press Complaints Commission - or the equivalent. I wonder how many suscribers to this panel actually did anything about it? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
Keith, I'm with you on this one. But I would build another macro that'll do it for you based on the subject line(if that's possible -- I don't know). I think you MAY have been a bit sarcastic in one or two instances, but nowhere NEAR what they would have gotten from me! ...but heavens, if these folks have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too? I agree 100%. I get a bit annoyed with that facet myself--they must be too lazy to figure out for themselves how to get off the list; I doubt that it's inexperience--if that were the case, I don't think they could find this list in the firstplace, much less subscribe. Still, I suppose it IS possible Anyway, don't feel bad for your treatment of them I thought it was quite fair under the circumstances and It's too bad there are so many idiots left to their own devices in this world, and you obviously just encountered a few of them. -Tim Z :) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages Hello all, top o' the weekend to you Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't unsubscribe and kept sending please unsuscribe me [sic] notes to the list. The first letter, from a non-lister, was most rude and insulting, basically accusing me of sarcasm for my comment on Marie's misspelling, of wise-ass comments, being a know-it-all, not knowing how to run a list and so on, with a fair measure of personal insult thrown in. At the bottom was a copy of part of an email from a lister (new member, posted one message I think), copying part of my last message to Marie and pointing out my sarcasm. Prolly I should've ignored it, but I'm not used to getting such spew and responded, direct enough but without rudeness or insults, saying I wasn't being sarcastic, she'd misspelled unsubscribe every time, and I wasn't the first to point it out. I cc'd the reply to the list member who'd made the original comment to this person. Then I got a broadside from both of them, a really disgusting tirade from the non-lister, full of personal attack and obscenity on my handling of the list, and saying she'd paid a visit to the Journey to Forever website and it was a lot of *[EMAIL PROTECTED] and so am I, it's people like me who cause all the trouble in the world and so on and on. Yuk. Felt like going and spraying the website with disinfectant. Anyway, it included this point: why hadn't I just unsubscribed Marie, or did I get my jollies grinding her like that. The lister meanwhile saw fit to tell me that he agrees with her, I'm too curt with list members and so on. I replied to both, the first got five words, which seems to have shut her up at least (I hope), the second got a short response, again direct enough but without any of the gratuitous rudeness I was receiving, and asking why he'd started it. He replied, accusing me of insulting him, denying he'd started anything (though his first note said he had), generally telling me I'm an idiot and telling me not to contact him again. I sent a one-word reply to the last bit saying same, but had it returned: not accepting mail from this sender. One way of having the last word I guess. Suits me. So that's that. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but I guess these things happen. Anyway, there's the point about why hadn't I unsubscribed Marie, and this general continuing problem of people who can't unsubscribe themselves and send their unsubscribe messages to the list. As I'm sure we've all noticed by now, it keeps on happening. Finally I made a macro that writes an auto-reply: You have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is in every message: List-Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact the unsubscribe address appears twice in every message. It happens so often that one starts doubting the thing works, but it does work - three listers have recently tested it. I get unsubscribe notifications from Yahoo every day (more subscribes though). It's not just here, it happens to most of the lists I'm on, but I must say that they get the kindest treatment here - on other lists they either get ignored or get a real shellacking. Here they get helped. I've never seen them get a blasting for it. So why don't I just unsubscribe them as they ask? Well, why should I? It takes time, I've got better things to do. I'll help little old ladies across the street or whatever, but heavens, if these folks have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too? Well, I did unsubscribe Marie Miller, mainly because I was thoroughly sick of the whole thing, but I don't plan to make a habit of
[biofuel] unsubscribe and such - model airplane diesel engines - 2cycle alky mix
Subject: Re: Re unsubscribe messages keith : 'people's follies are theirs. Not ours' From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Model diesel engines Diesel model airplane engines have nothing in common with real full-scale diesels except compression ignition of the fuel charge. They don't run on diesel fuel. *absolutely right, as usual !! they run on 1/3 ether, 1/3 kerosene, and 1/3 sae 20 straight mineral oil. Marc de Piolenc who still has his old Webra somewhere... *that was a mean one !! .15 ? what did you power with it ? --- From: Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: converting a chainsaw If someone would want to convert a gasoline chainsaw to a biofuel, how could this be done? Could you use Ethanol? Can you use Ethanol at 100%? Does it matter if it is a two-stroke or a four-stroke? Could you use Methanol? Can you use Methanol at 100% ... *both eth and meth, but it runs better on meth. any mix up to 100 %, but don't forget to add the oil if it's a smoke bomb. with pure meth you might have to add a bit more oil. don't ask me why, it just works that way. meth will melt rubber, so you'll have to make sure this won't upset things. eth will be kinder to rubber, but needs to be anhidrous if you are to mix it with gas. engine start-up on 100 % (eth and meth) might be a bit of a pain. *if you found a big enough 'glow plug' (has to be platinum alloy), you could run it on pure meth + castor oil, just like a model airplane glow plug engine. brazilians run bus/truck/tractor compression ignition engines on straight eth plus glow plugs. engines are identical to the dino models, except for the plugs to get them going. *i use 10 % meth on all my 2C stuff (mopeds, chainsaws, whackers, cultivators) just to feel good !!! don't use more % 'cause it dissolves the carburator diafragm. (you live and learn...) --- cheers, dick. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Can't Unsubscribe means She's Helpless, Powerless, Worthless.....
Keith, Easy for me to say, but learn from it. She and her defensive friends probably feel like everyone ganged up on her - making her feel that she was inadequate because of her mis-spellings, or any other negative accusation that she or her friends could conceive, either real or imaginary. Who knows, she might have been an 8 or 10 year old, which really puts things in an awkward light when the protective adults come to her aid to fight off all the insensitive, arrogant, adult hoards who should be more considerate. Or imagine an extremely sensitive adult who mispelled a simple word a few times, or whose typing skills are about as refined as mein, or someone who has difficulty for other reasons, but maybe still tries terribly hard. All the responses probably made her feel a bit insufficient. No one ever knows unless the questions are asked. And since it's not anyone's business unless the initiator chooses to reveal such, it's everyone else's obligation to exude 99.99% pure patience. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, top o' the weekend to you Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't unsubscribe and kept sending please unsuscribe me [sic] notes to the list. I am sorry that my message got you flammed Mr Addison. But, how do we know that it wasn't someone that was trying to be an idiot, or pulling a prank to start with. What i mean is, people send emails everyday that go along the lines of, if you don't send this to 50 million others, you will be cursed for life. I have been deleting these type of emails for the past 10 years now that I have been around the internet. (ok, so I am exagerating here a bit, but it still proves my point, i think). Any ways, like I said, maybe it was someone just trying to be a pain, or someone that likes the attention of the way that Ms Miller had just received. Its a weird and complicated world out there sometimes. ;-) Just my 2 cents if anyone really cares. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Model diesel engines
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: found a company in the UK that sells diesel model airplane engines. forget the name might be in the archives. Diesel model airplane engines have nothing in common with real full-scale diesels except compression ignition of the fuel charge. They don't run on diesel fuel. They are what used to be called semi-diesel engines, in which the fuel is premixed with air and induced as for a gasoline engine, but is ignited by compression instead of spark or glow plugs. Marc de Piolenc who still has his old Webra somewhere... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel / Veggie oil
Hi guys Its Jonathan again excuse the email address I am not trying to be provocative but I bought that book from the fuel tank to the fryer. By Tickel. In it there were little fuel heaters made by Diesel Therm. As I am building a genset to run on tallow I thought I would look them up. And what do I find. These guys are selling the full kit to convert your car to vedgie oil for 300 quid (950 DM)That includes a new extra fuel tank. So I had a look at their links page and there must be some sort of price war as one of their suppliers of their kit called Heipro was offerring the kit for 250 quid (750 DM). Now maybe there is still a market for biodiesel from waste vedgie oil which cant be used in your car. But that must now be strictly it. Its a lot cheaper to buy this kit then to go to all the trouble to produce your own biodiesel. Diesel Therm is only on the web in gerry speak so go to google and search for diesel therm when youve found the page , hit translate. Actual web site http://home.t-online.de/home/autotechnik/dieseltherm.htm Jonathan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] by-pass filter
Thanks David, Do you have a brand name or location where I can purchase one? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans
How'd Keith, On the subject of unsubscribes, I am with you all the way. This list is not some sort of email based roach motel. If they got in they should be able to get back out. I do unsubscribes for an Intel newletter that goes out to 23000+ addresses, so I do understand. There have been a few times when I thought you were a bit short with people, but I think its just that you have alot on your plate and are straight to the point. You should not have to sugar coat everything you say. :-) As for the Ian's plans, I just split out the frames into a Power Point file to (1) make printing easy, and (2) it gives you the ability to page through like an animation. It was something I did for myself then thought I might as well share it. If I had an FTP site I would just post it there for download. When I have more time and Ian has progressed I will be glad to up date it. Have Fun Richard Hoard Hello All, I have Split the JPEG into Frames in a Power Point file. I would have uploaded it put the group is locked. If anyone would like it I will send it, or I can just send it to the person who can upload it to the group file area. Have Fun, Richard Hoard Hello Richard I could do that, but Ian hasn't finished it yet. I don't see the point somehow, what am I missing? It's there for all to see on Ian's website. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans
Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I do not have the time or inclination to read all the streams of conversation that come with this list. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME! thank you! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How'd Keith, On the subject of unsubscribes, I am with you all the way. This list is not some sort of email based roach motel. If they got in they should be able to get back out. I do unsubscribes for an Intel newletter that goes out to 23000+ addresses, so I do understand. There have been a few times when I thought you were a bit short with people, but I think its just that you have alot on your plate and are straight to the point. You should not have to sugar coat everything you say. :-) As for the Ian's plans, I just split out the frames into a Power Point file to (1) make printing easy, and (2) it gives you the ability to page through like an animation. It was something I did for myself then thought I might as well share it. If I had an FTP site I would just post it there for download. When I have more time and Ian has progressed I will be glad to up date it. Have Fun Richard Hoard Hello All, I have Split the JPEG into Frames in a Power Point file. I would have uploaded it put the group is locked. If anyone would like it I will send it, or I can just send it to the person who can upload it to the group file area. Have Fun, Richard Hoard Hello Richard I could do that, but Ian hasn't finished it yet. I don't see the point somehow, what am I missing? It's there for all to see on Ian's website. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Model Engines
www.davisdiesel.com - Original Message - From: anton and federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Model Engines model airplane engines are retrofittable to run on diesel fuel. the kits are available at certain model store. they may not be that cheap though. anton -- From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Model Engines Date: May 11, 2001, 9:05 PM Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a working model of a diesel engine? I want to use the engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in demonstrations and also be able to do some testing with it. Any information would be appreciated. Also, the less expensive, the better. ;-) Thanks in advance. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans
Dear Philip, Either I did not make myself clear or you have a low comprehension for English. Either way you managed to subscribe yourself, so UNSUBSCRIBE YOURSELF! Look at the bottom of this message to find the UnSub Address and USE IT. Richard Hoard --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Philip Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I do not have the time or inclination to read all the streams of conversation that come with this list. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME! thank you! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] photo of my biod unit
Ive just given the tanks a lick of paint and I thought what the heck, I'll do a quick shot and let you all see it. Ian http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] converting a chainsaw
If someone would want to convert a gasoline chainsaw to a biofuel, how could this be done? Could you use Ethanol? Can you use Ethanol at 100%? Does it matter if it is a two-stroke or a four-stroke? Could you use Methanol? Can you use Methanol at 100% ... TIA, Michael Dewolf Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] converting a chainsaw
Michael: You can use bio-based two stroke oil, at least. It's made from high oleic Canola and soy oil. - Has anyone tried biodiesel/ethanol blends in 2 strokes? Ed B. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biod failure :(
Hi all. I started a trial run yesterday and all seemed well , until I washed it today. I got loads of soap. I now realized what went wrong. The pipe between the filter tank and reactor had at least 1 litre of water in as I had done a few cycles using water to test the system. I had dissambled the main parts and completely dried everything, except for the pipe. I'm doing another run in the next few days. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biod failure :(
I started a trial run yesterday and all seemed well , until I washed it today. I got loads of soap. .. Ian, It can't all be soap. You didn't have enough catalyst to do that. How much is salvageable? Chemist showed me a salting out trick on a bad batch we made. It saved a few hundred dollars of hemp seed oil from being turned completely into soap. On micro-scale, dissolve 2 tbsp table salt into 1 pint water. Add a cup of your goo, agitate vigorously, let set 24 hours and see what settles where. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] VW
A few people have inquired, on this list, looking for diesel cars. Available: a virtually rust free 1983 Jetta Turbodiesel, available with or without complete conversion kit for operation on straight vegetable oil. Vegetable oil system can be supplied installed or as kit for DIY installation. Contact me off list if interested. Location: BC, Canada. Conversion of speedo to miles is needed for export to US, and there may be other requirements or restriction that need to be checked out. Thanks! Ed B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] by-pass filter
In USA, Frantz is at: www.wefilterit.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] by-pass filter Thanks David, Do you have a brand name or location where I can purchase one? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Richard what does this have to do with bio diesel
In a message dated 5/12/01 11:37:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Philip, Either I did not make myself clear or you have a low comprehension for English. Either way you managed to subscribe yourself, so UNSUBSCRIBE YOURSELF! Look at the bottom of this message to find the UnSub Address and USE IT. Richard Hoard Dear Richard: I am pretty sure that, having done some traveling in other lands, that not everyone understands English...But I am pretty sure they understand rudeness! And what does this have to do with making bio diesel or alternative energy? It seems to me that there is a great opportunity being wasted here. There seems to be a great deal of time and energy being spent expended on being curt, peevish and pretty nasty. I am sorry to say that this seems to be the tone and tenor of this list of quite a number of people on this list. I am not including all of you, there seems to be a good group here that has a lot of good to say, but the message is being lost in this wallowing in rudeness. As long as the group and the moderator stand by and allow this kind of rudeness then it will continue and if that what you all want, so be it. I will excuse myself from the group, since I think it is very important to try to behave in a civil manner if you want to make a change in how the world runs. To this I would add that E mail is a little too convenient and allows one to behave in the manner of your message with no real consequence, as one might encounter in the real world. It takes a much bigger person to NOT behave in this manner and to say well let me be of help. Or to hit the delete button. I assume that you are of the person you are presenting in above message you will most likely send me a foul mouthed flame job. But please bite your tongue and think it through and please give some consideration to whether you really think your actions push forward the cause of a cleaner environment or if it is just another distraction from it. What's your motivation? Also please note that I am going to unsubscribe myself and I am going to close down my E mail address so if you choose to behave as I suspect you will to be orally abusive. It will be a waste of time. I hope you all can see the wisdom in treating people with a bit more respect and tolerance, if you don't, the few who behave like this will ruin it for all the others and might just end up preaching to yourself. SqJ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW
I'm in Toronto, how much are you asking? what about mileage? Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs wrote: A few people have inquired, on this list, looking for diesel cars. Available: a virtually rust free 1983 Jetta Turbodiesel, available with or without complete conversion kit for operation on straight vegetable oil. Vegetable oil system can be supplied installed or as kit for DIY installation. Contact me off list if interested. Location: BC, Canada. Conversion of speedo to miles is needed for export to US, and there may be other requirements or restriction that need to be checked out. Thanks! Ed B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] I misstated the price of corn
ok, where can I get soy oil for $1/gallon and the presses. Steve Spence Steve, Without sounding cute (snide), pressing it yourself is about the only way to get $1/gallon soybean oil. That, or have someone at the mill who can cut you a deal. Check out www.Anderson.com, www.Dupps.com or www.Insta-Pro.com But you've got to have the farmers on board before you crank the first rev on one of these puppies. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biod failure :(
thanks Todd. Ive got about 50 litres of sort of usable oil, I'll give what you say a go. Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] biod failure :( I started a trial run yesterday and all seemed well , until I washed it today. I got loads of soap. .. Ian, It can't all be soap. You didn't have enough catalyst to do that. How much is salvageable? Chemist showed me a salting out trick on a bad batch we made. It saved a few hundred dollars of hemp seed oil from being turned completely into soap. On micro-scale, dissolve 2 tbsp table salt into 1 pint water. Add a cup of your goo, agitate vigorously, let set 24 hours and see what settles where. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans
Richard, If you like, I can put it up on my geocities page---(personal home page for funsies--no spammin') Just send it, and I'll put it up as a zip file, and individually as well...or however you'd like me to do it. -Tim Z - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans How'd Keith, On the subject of unsubscribes, I am with you all the way. This list is not some sort of email based roach motel. If they got in they should be able to get back out. I do unsubscribes for an Intel newletter that goes out to 23000+ addresses, so I do understand. There have been a few times when I thought you were a bit short with people, but I think its just that you have alot on your plate and are straight to the point. You should not have to sugar coat everything you say. :-) As for the Ian's plans, I just split out the frames into a Power Point file to (1) make printing easy, and (2) it gives you the ability to page through like an animation. It was something I did for myself then thought I might as well share it. If I had an FTP site I would just post it there for download. When I have more time and Ian has progressed I will be glad to up date it. Have Fun Richard Hoard Hello All, I have Split the JPEG into Frames in a Power Point file. I would have uploaded it put the group is locked. If anyone would like it I will send it, or I can just send it to the person who can upload it to the group file area. Have Fun, Richard Hoard Hello Richard I could do that, but Ian hasn't finished it yet. I don't see the point somehow, what am I missing? It's there for all to see on Ian's website. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] photo of my biod unit
WOW Ian!! Veeery Purty!!! :) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [biofuel] photo of my biod unit Ive just given the tanks a lick of paint and I thought what the heck, I'll do a quick shot and let you all see it. Ian http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] converting a chainsaw
You can't run a 2 stroke on straight alcohol or gasoline. Tends to do bad things inside of the engine. Of course they run really good for about 10 minutes, but then that is it and you either A, have to replaced the engine, or B, buy a new chain saw. ;-) As far as a 4 stroke, you would need bigger jets to run the alcohol vs gasoline. Otherwise, you have a saw that runs really lean and well, it won't last long like that either... Just my 2 cents.. Jeremy --- Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone would want to convert a gasoline chainsaw to a biofuel, how could this be done? Could you use Ethanol? Can you use Ethanol at 100%? Does it matter if it is a two-stroke or a four-stroke? Could you use Methanol? Can you use Methanol at 100% ... TIA, Michael Dewolf __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel / Veggie oil
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now maybe there is still a market for biodiesel from waste vedgie oil which cant be used in your car. But that must now be strictly it. Its a lot cheaper to buy this kit then to go to all the trouble to produce your own biodiesel. snip again I chose to run biodiesel after reading all I could about the problems of running either biodiesel or straight vegetable oil. There are several studies available that include engine tear-downs after many miles using biodiesel. Wear and deposit findings are pretty much in line with what one would expect from petrodiesel use. There also is at least one study, more of a laboratory test than real- world, that includes a tear-down after running straight vegetable oil. Deposits included polymers formed from unburned components of the fuel, especially in ring grooves and valve stems. Deposits in the ring grooves lead to stuck or broken rings. Deposits on valve stems lead to stuck valves and accelerated guide and stem wear. Raising the temperature 190 degrees F or so before it reaches the fuel pump may allow the engine to run on SVO, but will not change the combustion characteristics of the fuel substantially. There is simply too much stuff in vegetable oil that does not burn cleanly in today's diesel engines. Diesel-formulated lubricating oils are formulated to keep carbon in suspension. They do not affect these polymers. We're all pretty new at this. I can report about 50,000 miles on an Isuzu engine and about 15,000 miles on a VW Rabbit engine using a high percentage of biodiesel. If I have fuel-related problems from either in less that 200,000 miles, I will be disappointed. That will take a few more years, of course. If you can point to a good study showing that a current-production diesel engine will run 200,000 miles on SVO with no deposit problems, I'll throw away my processor and add a couple of fuel tanks and heat exchangers. Or if any one on this list has run SVO for 100,000 miles with no deposit problems, I'll do the same thing. Until then, I'll stick with biodiesel, made as pure and clean as I can make it. Dale Scroggins Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PH Tester under $100
Hi Y'all I can't remember who had asked the question about where to find an electronic Ph tester for under $100. I found one while checking out my local Homebrew Supply store today it was $42 I also found one at: http://www.morebeer.com/ it's a bit more than $42 though--I would surf around the brewing sites a bit before I bought one. Good luck :) -Tim Z --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
Dear all Again, my apologies for all this stuff, and many, many thanks for your tolerance, your input and your support. For the sake of cutting OT content and bringing this thread to an end, I'm writing off-list to some of those who posted responses. Thanks again to you all for your patience and help. I think we'll all probably agree with Ed Beggs' summing up, so I'll repeat it here: We will have to tolerate the messages. Just keep sending them the macro and eveyone else PLEASE just delete the unsubscribe requests. Do not respond to the list and add more clutter, a number have tried to help these foks (me included) and all it does is create more problems, it seems. After enough macros from Keith they will eventually figure it out. Okay? There doesn't seem to be any way to stop it happening, so please just ignore unsubscribe messages sent to the list, just delete them, I'll deal with it, it's my job after all, no need to waste your time. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Richard what does this have to do with bio diesel
Well, now. Where the hell's my broom? Need to do a bit of sweeping out, put a stop to this BS. Terry's right, life's too short, when it comes to time-wasters do it the quickest way. Interesting (or maybe not) that SqJohn springs to the defence of the indefensibly rude and inconsiderate posting by the in-your-face Philip Stephens in order to hector us all about our rudeness and lack of consideration. And expects we're going to send him a foul-mouthed flame job, while it is he that was the cause of the foul-mouthed flame jobs I was the victim of - though he first admitted and then denied that. While loading me with insults and claiming I'd insulted him. He says he's now deprived us of his dubious company. Well, he hasn't unsubscribed as promised. Neither has Philip Stephens. Maybe they don't have enough brains between them to find the unsubscribe address. So - the broom! - I'll do it for them, and good riddance. Richard, I'm sorry this happened, please ignore this idiot. These idiots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Richard: I am pretty sure that, having done some traveling in other lands, that not everyone understands English...But I am pretty sure they understand rudeness! snip I hope you all can see the wisdom in treating people with a bit more respect and tolerance, if you don't, the few who behave like this will ruin it for all the others and might just end up preaching to yourself. Got a mirror? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ SqJ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BioC: Climate Solutions Ethanol Report
Fwd from the Bioconversion List: Patrick Mazza, Climate Solutions, has produced a report, Harvesting Clean Energy for Rural Development - Ethanol. The report is available on the Climate Solutions website as a pdf file. http://climatesolutions.org/Harvesting/EthanolReport.pdf It also reports on bioethanol potential in the Pacific Northwest. Patrick reported on four Northwest (of 56 national) plants at a recent ethanol conference in Eugene, Oregon. At the conference, Mike McCormack of the California Energy Commission said,The biggest barrier to commercial production is financing the first commercial plant. Oregon Department of Energy's Oregon Cellulose Study was discussed. http://www.energy.state.or.us/biomass/study.htm The conference was sponsored by the Oregon Office of Energy, Pacific Northwest and Alaska regional Biomass energy Program, and the US Department of Energy's Office of Fuels Development. Can anyone tell us the status of the BCI plant at Jennings, Louisiana? See also: http://climatesolutions.org/ http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/doeofd/ http://www.ott.doe.gov/rbep/ Tom Harvesting Clean Energy for Rural Development-- Ethanol Thomas R Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] T R Miles, TCI Tel 503-292-0107 1470 SW Woodward WayFax 503-292-2919 Portland, OR 97225 USA - Bioconversion List Archives: http://www.crest.org/discussion/bioconversion/current/ Bioconversion List Moderator: Tom Jeffries, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sponsor the Bioconversion List: http://www.crest.org/discuss3.html - Other Bioconversion Events and Information: http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/bioam/ http://solstice.crest.org/renewables/biomass-info/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] What's the difference
Dear Todd, Thanks for your comprehensive response. I almost understand you!! So, it doesn't really make a difference which veggy oil one uses. The net result will be, basically, the same. Is there a direct correlation (linear) between energy content and performance? Please define 'coking potential' and ' cloud point' and another term I've come across is' lubricity'. Are these technical details or are they significant enough to effect performance or tear and wear? Mike -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:00 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] What's the difference Is there any difference in energy content between, for instance, one liter of sunflower biodiesal and one liter of palm-oil biodiesal? In other words, is there a better performance in km/liter for the better oil? . Mike, Technically, the answer is yes. Examine the following: Each oil is going to have a different fatty acid profile makeup - different amounts of multiple types of constituent oils such as lanoleic, linoleic, etc. As each oil has a different makeup of varying components, the post transesterification results will have some differences from oil to oil as well. Oils have differing original heat values and the final biodiesels are subject to similar variations. Your question or implication that some oils may form better biodiesels relative to final energy content is logical and accurate. The $64 million dollar question, however, is actually a number of primary questions. Secondary and tertiary questions can be omitted for the moment. The biggies are: 1) What is the ranking of each biodiesel from highest energy value to lowest, per gallon or liter? 2) What is the yield of biodiesel from each oil from highest yield to lowest, per gallon or liter? 3) What is the coking potential of each biodiesel, based upon static tests over time? 4) What is the cloud point of each oil's biodiesel from highest temp to lowest? 5) What variances occur in answers to the above three questions when using differing alcohols to form the esters, such as methyl, ethyl, iso-propyl, iso-butyl, etc? While there are some studies that try to corner the elusive answer to your question, absolutely no one to date, at least relative to general knowledge, has conducted an experiment of appropriate breadth, depth and duration to accurately answer the question What is the best oil from which to manufacture biodiesel? There are a lot of oils, a lot of alcohols, several different processes and a somewhat large cost factor incurred to analyze each variable accurately. Until such a time as these measures are taken, you'll be relatively safe to continue with mainstays such as rapeseed, soy, used veg and animal oils, palm or any others that have logged hundreds of thousands of miles and been documented. Going beyond that, you'll probably need a reasonably large grant in order to determine the unequivocal answer. Hope this answers your question... :-) Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners
David, Just wanted to thank you for the info. Very useful! Mike -Original Message- From: David Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 11:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners Mike, Try the folowing: www.gardnerparts.co.uk/index htm e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners
Hi Mike, Hope you have had some success and thanks for your reply. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners David, Just wanted to thank you for the info. Very useful! Mike Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern
Hi all Can someone help me out here. If youve looked at my hoto, http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg my methoxide mixer is to the right, the grey tank. Now I'm concerned, as so far for my initial test batch I poured the methanol/methoxide straight in to the reactor (2 stage process). But I'm now wanting to use suction to deliver the methanol/methoxide. Will this pose a problem with boiling? Its having to lift approx 30 vua 15mm pipe amb temp 15 - 20oC Also I need some help with vacuum pressure. I see most measure by Hg I have a gauge which shows mws which goes to -10. Does anyone have figures and conversion for vacuum pressures. I need to know if my vac pump is capable of reclaiming methanol. I think it is, as its a corker of a unit, I just dont know what its measured capability is. Thanks Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Vacuum fermentation
This is of interest - a means of improving alcohol yield from fermentation. http://www.rpi.edu/dept/chem-eng/Biotech-Environ/FERMENT/vacferm.htm Marc de Piolenc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PH Tester under $100
Hi Y'all I can't remember who had asked the question about where to find an electronic Ph tester for under $100. I found one while checking out my local Homebrew Supply store today it was $42 I also found one at: http://www.morebeer.com/ it's a bit more than $42 though--I would surf around the brewing sites a bit before I bought one. Good luck :) -Tim Z Hi Tim That's an interesting site, thanks. Lots of pH meters here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html Biofuels supplies and suppliers Biodiesel suppliers Biodiesel technology Methanol suppliers, chemicals pH testing Washing Refractometers Brewing equipment Temperature gauges Automatic temperature control valves Online biofuel auctions Soldering Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] by-pass filter
Yes, If you are in the States you can get one from George Walker at: www.wefilterit.com The brand he handles is the original Frantz model. Cost I believe is US$165-00. unless you buy 8 when the price drops to US$135-00. Failing this you can get one from me. Brand is MIL-MAC and it is made in Australia. My normal price is slightly higher than the Australian price because of freight, but at present to get them up and running and to get the name known for a short time I have taken 10% off the price so I seriously doubt you will get them cheaper out of Australia. I believe the MIL-MAC is superior to the Frantz but dont want to get caught in argueing this point. Both work extremely well and I believe you should have no problem with either. To help you decide to make up your mind and in case its of interest to others I will post a Special Introductory Price notice, that is going out to people here, to the biofuels n,g. As this is a n.g. and not a commercial list I will do it once but dont want to do it again as I can see Keith has enough to contend with without me causing him aggravation as well. Like Ed, Steve and one or two others I believe if people have enough intelligence to get on the list they ought to have enough intelligence to be able to get off. Failure to read something that is printed on just about all messages posted, especially all by the moderator, is nothing but laziness and sloth. If any of you other people are interested please make a note of the prices and then get back to me by e-mailing me in private. Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . On top of the prices which are in NZ$ you would have postage or freight which are actually quite reasonable as NZ Post is a pretty efficient outfit, unlike a lot of Govt depts or SOEs, and ranks about second or third in the world in terms of service and efficiency. To give you some idea it would cost approx US$30 by International Air ( 5-10 days delivery) and approx US$25 by International Economy (15-25 days delivery) to send you a single filter to the States. Freight to other countries further away is a bit dearer. Please note current NZ$ exchange rate to the US$ is approx 41c. at present. This means a single oil filter which normally costs NZ$210- and is now NZ$189- for a short time would cost you approx US$78- . On top of this you would have the fittings (oil installation kit) and reinforced hose. plus your US $25 or $30 freight.(more if you include fittings and hose freight). Please note this offer is for a lmited period as the normal markup of around NZ$50- (= US$20-) approx I would normally make with 10% off is darn near halved. I expect to have webpages up shortly which will be under www.biofuelsys.com . I am also working on payment by Visa and Mastercard. I dont expect I will make money selling at these prices but as a means of creating a bit of public awareness and perhaps benefiting a few people on this list this in my opinion is a good start. One thing I learnt years ago is that if people dont do what they know they should when they cant afford it they never do it when they can. Failure to do otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and sheer selfishness. Hope this helps. B.r., David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] by-pass filter Thanks David, Do you have a brand name or location where I can purchase one? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER
SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER Save 10% on what is already the best filter at the best price. Normally 1/5th to 2/5th the price of other competitors Definitely less than 1/2 the price of our cheapest competitor even before discount. For a limited time we are offering MIL-MAC 4M By-pass Filters at the following prices :BE QUICK. This is a limited offer. SINGLE unit SAVE approx $35-00 Filternormally $210-00 retail PAY $189-00 Oil Installation Kit 75-00 PAY 67-50 2 m x Reinf. Hose 25-00 PAY 22-50 G.S.T.38-75 PAY 34-88 TOTAL $348-75 PAY $ 313-88 DOUBLE unitSAVE approx $47-00 Filternormally $320-00 retail PAY $288-00 Oil Installation Kit 75-00 PAY 67-50 2 m x Reinf. Hose 25-00 PAY 22-50 G.S.T. 52-50PAY47-25 TOTAL$472-50PAY $425-25 TREBLE unit SAVE approx $53-00 Filternormally $375-00 retail PAY $337-50 Oil Installation Kit75-00 PAY 67-50 2 m x Reinf. Hose 25-00 PAY 22-50 G.S.T. 59-38 PAY 53-44 TOTAL$534-38 PAY$480-94 FITTING normally $45-00 p.h. + PAY $60-00 for up to 2 hours PAY $80-00 for up to 2.5 hours PAY $100-00 for up to 3 hours Our normal hourly rate is $45-00 per hour + G.S.T. = $50-62 p.h. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern
Ian, Dont know what mws mean in your message below but dug out the following chart for pressure To convert fromto Multiply by atmosphere, standard kilopascal (kPa) 101.325 atmosphere, technical (1 kilogram force per sqaure centimeter) kilopascal (kPa) 98.0665 bar kilopascal (kPa)100. centimeter of water [1] pascal (Pa) 98.0665 dyne per sqare centimeterpascal (Pa) 0.1 foot of water [1] kilopascal (kPa) 2.98907 inch of mercury [1] kilopascal (kPa) 3.38639 inch of water [1] pascal (Pa) 249.089 kilogram-force per sq. cm kilopascal (kPa) 98.0665 kilogram-force per sq. cm pascal (Pa) 9.80665 kip per sq. inch (ksi)kilopascal (kPa) 6894.757 millibarpascal (Pa) 100. millibarkilopascal (kPa) 0.1 millimeter of mercury [1] pascal (Pa) 133.322 poundal per sq. footpascal (Pa) 1.488164 pound-force per sq. foot pascal (Pa) 47.88026 pound-force per sq. inchkilopascal (kPa) 6.894757 psi kilopascal (kPa) 6.894757 torr pascal (Pa) 133.322 Althiugh probably not what you want may be of help. B.r. David - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern Hi all Can someone help me out here. If youve looked at my hoto, http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg my methoxide mixer is to the right, the grey tank. Now I'm concerned, as so far for my initial test batch I poured the methanol/methoxide straight in to the reactor (2 stage process). But I'm now wanting to use suction to deliver the methanol/methoxide. Will this pose a problem with boiling? Its having to lift approx 30 vua 15mm pipe amb temp 15 - 20oC Also I need some help with vacuum pressure. I see most measure by Hg I have a gauge which shows mws which goes to -10. Does anyone have figures and conversion for vacuum pressures. I need to know if my vac pump is capable of reclaiming methanol. I think it is, as its a corker of a unit, I just dont know what its measured capability is. Thanks Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Yield of Jerusalem artichokes
Looking into what I have on file about alcohol crops, I find the following quote about jerusalem artichoke: Since one acre of Jerusalem artichokes yields about 28 tons of tubers under average conditions and 1 ton of tubers yields some 19 gallons of alcohol... That yield per acre seems a bit too good to be true. Does anyone know the true figure? Marc de Piolenc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] by-pass filter
David Reid wrote: snip I will post a Special Introductory Price notice, that is going out to people here, to the biofuels n,g. As this is a n.g. and not a commercial list I will do it once but dont want to do it again as I can see Keith has enough to contend with without me causing him aggravation as well. :-) No aggravation, David, I know you won't abuse it. Why don't you ask Paul if it'd be suitable fare for GoGoBid.Com? Just a thought. BioFuel Auctions online at GoGoBid.Com -- non-profit, list your alternative energy products for sale by auction. Registered users can bid on products offered by individuals or companies. Contact Paul Dickson, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gogobid.com Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
