Re: [biofuels-biz] Emulsion fuels
I could not have told you that, because I didn't know that until I learned it from your message, below! Perhaps a message in which somebody else's post was quoted? Interesting, though... Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc de Piolenc told me last year that emulsified fuels can cause problems with the burn being slowed enough to cause overheating of the exhaust. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re:NIR
Camillo Or are you using it successfully at present? No, I'm not using it at all. Just following up on Keith's enquiry as to whether I'd found anything on NIR whilst looking for something else. If you've proven it unuseful for the present thats a shame. On what basis? Steve _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
AW: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR
Again: Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard using NIR. THEN you will probably be able to grasp my point. Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Wooly . Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2001 12:49 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR Camillo Or are you using it successfully at present? No, I'm not using it at all. Just following up on Keith's enquiry as to whether I'd found anything on NIR whilst looking for something else. If you've proven it unuseful for the present thats a shame. On what basis? Steve _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
AW: AW: AW: [biofuels-biz] NIR
GC is a prooven lab method, one can by it from the (lab equipment shop) shelf, and it is the method required by the various national quality standards for testing many of the quality parameters of BD. NIR for BD is not developed, not calibrated, not understandable exept for a few academic researchers who are able to understand, for example, the subtle issues discussed in the papers by Dr. Knothe and others. Any body is free to invest his time, accept Dr. Knothe's offer and work with him on developing that method. Hope somebody is able to do that important job. Stringent quality control is a MUST for BD producers and businesses in development! TODAY! We simply have no time to go out and still develop new methods. We need proper quality controll yesterday. Please understand that if now dozends of people go comercial in the states and do not bother on quality (maybe because they are used to home brew methods only), we are damned shure to have bad press in a matter of weeks, not months. Just see what happens now in Germany. The German drivers assoc., ADAC, issued a press release stating that 25% of Germanys 900 BD pumping stations did not adhere to DIN fuel standard. Ouch! The article went to press, of course. We may very well spoil our potential market substantially, if we go into the same quality trap. Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Keith Addison Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. August 2001 20:33 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [biofuels-biz] NIR Well, Camillo, what do you want, to buy the thing off a supermarket shelf? For now, Knothe's developed methods and he's willing to help people learn how to use them in the field. As you say, it's an ultra-violet issue - uh, infra-red, damn, I mean ultra vital! (Just kidding!) So at least there's a way for BD producers to come to the rescue of themselves, with a bit of necessary help. BD producers don't seem like a helpless bunch, far from it. Also, one of the GC machines Steve found is cheap. Not beyond the means of a commercial producer, even if using it isn't that easy. Pooling resources and technology-plus-skills amongst a few producers, as Steve plans, makes it feasible, and NIR too, no? Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Keith, you just answered your question. Dr. Knothe said himself, that the method still HAS TO BE DEVELOPED !!! So all I say is, that all this is -very unfortunatly- NOT YET a practical solution to our needs in BD producing. I realy get the feeling that 99% of us folks on this list have not even read the DIN or the proposed CEN standard and have not the slightes idea as to where to obtain any analysis for their BD products. THIS IS AN ULTRA VITAL ISSUE !!! Carmakers like VW are about to reconcider their approvement of BD because of the emminent lack of proper scientific quality assesment found with BD producers everywhere. This is no joke any more. So again, Dr. Knothe is doing important academic work, and I would like to compliment him on that. But he has no analysis gadget of the shelf that would come to the rescue of us upcoming BD-producers. Period. Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Keith Addison Gesendet: Mittwoch, 01. August 2001 22:37 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] NIR Sorry if it happens that I have to spoil your hopes, but according to our research into the matter we belive that there is NO turn key solution or product for our (biodiesel) tasks available! All there is is basic research that tries to find out, if transesterification can be monitored one good day, using NIR. Please correct me, if I am prooven wrong. Camillo Holecek Biodiesel Raffinerie GmbH, Austria Hi Camillo Did you see this, posted previously? NIR Helps Turn Vegetable Oil into High-Quality Biofuel -- ARS News Release, June 15, 1999 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR.html Dr Knothe sent me these papers on his work, now uploaded: Rapid Monitoring of Transesterification and Assessing Biodiesel Fuel Quality by Near-infrared Spectroscopy Using a Fiber-Optic Probe, by Gerhard Knothe, JAOCS 76, 795-800 (July 1999) http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR1.html Monitoring a Progressing Transesterification Reaction by Fiber-Optic Near Infrared Spectroscopy with Correlation to 1H Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy, by Gerhard Knothe, JAOCS 77, 489-493 (May 2000) http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR2.html He also said: Probably the most time-consuming and relatively complex part of NIR is developing the method and preferably verifying against another analytical method (GC) with biodiesel that meets standards. After that, it should be straightforward. As you
AW: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production
Austrian standard ON C 1191 requires 0/-15 centigrade (summer/winter) DIN E 51606 requires 0/-20 The proposed CEN standard defines climate zones and gives five classes, non of them above -20 for winter quality. VW is making a hell of an issue about CFPP right now, claiming it causes them resent injector pump problems. That is the reason, why I would still like you to answer that simple question within the scope of this dedicated disscussion group. Kind regards, Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Peter Krasinski Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. August 2001 19:45 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: Wes Berry (E-mail); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Mr.Holecek To answer your questions. 1. ASTM standard does not require CFPP test however it states the cloud point specification to be :By customer. 2. Regarding additional details pertaining to CFPP BD from tallow please feel free to contact Mr. Wes Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your interest. Peter Krasinski OAE -Original Message- From: Camillo.Holecek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:21 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Dear Sir, please allow us unbelivers a simple question: What is the CFPP temperature required according to ASTM standard? And what exactly was the CFPP you could achive in your BD from 100% tallow feedstock ? Camillo Holecek Biodiesel Raffinerie GmbH -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Peter Krasinski Gesendet: Mittwoch, 01. August 2001 21:21 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: Mahesh Talwar (E-mail); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Dear Sir, Your concern is un warranted! We have successfully produced fuel from tallow conforming to ASTM standard for diesel fuel. If you would like to visit our facility we offer a standing invitation to any one interested. in the meantime I have attached a overview describing our process capability. A NOTE from The CEO: Thank you for the input. We have already changed the host server for the web and the new site should be operational in a couple of days. You should send all your inquiries to Peter Krasinski and they will be replied promptly. Thank you for your patience. M. Talwar OceanAir Environmental Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production
Thank you for the Austrian Din Standard. I will forward your question to Mr. Berry. I will be traveling for the next two weeks and look forward to re-joining the group upon my return. Regards to all, Peter Krasinski OAE PS: We concur QC will be of the utmost importance to the growth and acceptance for BD world wide. Thanks again -Original Message- From: Camillo.Holecek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:12 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Austrian standard ON C 1191 requires 0/-15 centigrade (summer/winter) DIN E 51606 requires 0/-20 The proposed CEN standard defines climate zones and gives five classes, non of them above -20 for winter quality. VW is making a hell of an issue about CFPP right now, claiming it causes them resent injector pump problems. That is the reason, why I would still like you to answer that simple question within the scope of this dedicated disscussion group. Kind regards, Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Peter Krasinski Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. August 2001 19:45 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: Wes Berry (E-mail); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Mr.Holecek To answer your questions. 1. ASTM standard does not require CFPP test however it states the cloud point specification to be :By customer. 2. Regarding additional details pertaining to CFPP BD from tallow please feel free to contact Mr. Wes Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your interest. Peter Krasinski OAE -Original Message- From: Camillo.Holecek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:21 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Dear Sir, please allow us unbelivers a simple question: What is the CFPP temperature required according to ASTM standard? And what exactly was the CFPP you could achive in your BD from 100% tallow feedstock ? Camillo Holecek Biodiesel Raffinerie GmbH -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Peter Krasinski Gesendet: Mittwoch, 01. August 2001 21:21 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: Mahesh Talwar (E-mail); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel Production Dear Sir, Your concern is un warranted! We have successfully produced fuel from tallow conforming to ASTM standard for diesel fuel. If you would like to visit our facility we offer a standing invitation to any one interested. in the meantime I have attached a overview describing our process capability. A NOTE from The CEO: Thank you for the input. We have already changed the host server for the web and the new site should be operational in a couple of days. You should send all your inquiries to Peter Krasinski and they will be replied promptly. Thank you for your patience. M. Talwar OceanAir Environmental Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=Peter S. Krasinski (E-mail).vcf Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Peter S. Krasinski (E-mail).vcf Attachment converted: Handmade:Peter S. Krasinski (E-mail).vcf (/) (0007B65A)
Re: [biofuels-biz] NIR
GC is a prooven lab method, one can by it from the (lab equipment shop) shelf, and it is the method required by the various national quality standards for testing many of the quality parameters of BD. NIR for BD is not developed, not calibrated, not understandable exept for a few academic researchers who are able to understand, for example, the subtle issues discussed in the papers by Dr. Knothe and others. Any body is free to invest his time, accept Dr. Knothe's offer and work with him on developing that method. Hope somebody is able to do that important job. Stringent quality control is a MUST for BD producers and businesses in development! TODAY! We simply have no time to go out and still develop new methods. Help develop. I suspect we (biodiesel businesses, not me) have no time to do anything else than explore all possible options. The main work's already been done on this one, not much distance left to travel, and that with expert assistance, so why knock it? Yes, you can buy a GC off a shelf, but there are well-known difficulties with GCs, otherwise why would you be saying this: We need proper quality controll yesterday. NIR can help solve many of those problems. As you say, getting it to the plug-in-and-play state is an important job. So why by so discouraging, Camillo? It's to address just such problems that I formed this group - this is the place for it. Just yelling It doesn't work! is not helpful. Please understand that if now dozends of people go comercial in the states and do not bother on quality (maybe because they are used to home brew methods only), we are damned shure to have bad press in a matter of weeks, not months. Just see what happens now in Germany. The German drivers assoc., ADAC, issued a press release stating that 25% of Germanys 900 BD pumping stations did not adhere to DIN fuel standard. Ouch! The article went to press, of course. We may very well spoil our potential market substantially, if we go into the same quality trap. All the more reason to put some effort into NIR, no? Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Keith Addison Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. August 2001 20:33 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [biofuels-biz] NIR Well, Camillo, what do you want, to buy the thing off a supermarket shelf? For now, Knothe's developed methods and he's willing to help people learn how to use them in the field. As you say, it's an ultra-violet issue - uh, infra-red, damn, I mean ultra vital! (Just kidding!) So at least there's a way for BD producers to come to the rescue of themselves, with a bit of necessary help. BD producers don't seem like a helpless bunch, far from it. Also, one of the GC machines Steve found is cheap. Not beyond the means of a commercial producer, even if using it isn't that easy. Pooling resources and technology-plus-skills amongst a few producers, as Steve plans, makes it feasible, and NIR too, no? Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Keith, you just answered your question. Dr. Knothe said himself, that the method still HAS TO BE DEVELOPED !!! So all I say is, that all this is -very unfortunatly- NOT YET a practical solution to our needs in BD producing. I realy get the feeling that 99% of us folks on this list have not even read the DIN or the proposed CEN standard and have not the slightes idea as to where to obtain any analysis for their BD products. THIS IS AN ULTRA VITAL ISSUE !!! Carmakers like VW are about to reconcider their approvement of BD because of the emminent lack of proper scientific quality assesment found with BD producers everywhere. This is no joke any more. So again, Dr. Knothe is doing important academic work, and I would like to compliment him on that. But he has no analysis gadget of the shelf that would come to the rescue of us upcoming BD-producers. Period. Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Keith Addison Gesendet: Mittwoch, 01. August 2001 22:37 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] NIR Sorry if it happens that I have to spoil your hopes, but according to our research into the matter we belive that there is NO turn key solution or product for our (biodiesel) tasks available! All there is is basic research that tries to find out, if transesterification can be monitored one good day, using NIR. Please correct me, if I am prooven wrong. Camillo Holecek Biodiesel Raffinerie GmbH, Austria Hi Camillo Did you see this, posted previously? NIR Helps Turn Vegetable Oil into High-Quality Biofuel -- ARS News Release, June 15, 1999
Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR
Camillo I was taught to have all the equipment and elements required be fully prepared before starting the experiment. Additionally business has taught me to explore all options before even spending my lunch money on equipment. The moral of the story being, there is ALWAYS time (or time MUST be made) to explore options before proceeding. If my information is correct substandard biodiesel has been detected in these percentages in Europe for some time now - rushing out and buying a GC instead of taking even a few days to explore an (apparently) easier and cheaper option won't change history (I found links to dozens of commercially available units in about twenty minutes). From my point of view, we have NO biodiesel yet in Australia (there is a world outside Europe) and I will spend as much time as I please looking at my options, and talking about them on this forum. There's a planet dying too! Still no justification for overlooking what is claimed to be a cheaper, less dangerous, less critical, less destructive continuous method. I can of course see from your point of view that it will become more difficult to sell your reactors if none of the car makers will entertain BD usage, and that there is thus a real commercial risk here for you. Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard using NIR Camillo, I already posted the links, some to the largest (most sophisticated, if you must make things cpmlicated) equipment purveyors around. I've BEEN to the 'lab equipment' shops. The internet IS my shopping mall now. I bank on it, buy on it , research on it, socialise on it (and therefore network on it). These 'shopkeepers' say they have a device that can continuously and accurately monitor fast-reaction based industrial processes including standard chemical and food processing - as I understand it methyl ester production is an exceptionally common process for lots of reasons, none of them fuel related. The caveat is that the NIR devices are calibrated once only with a sample that is GC verified (or so they say). I don't even know for sure that your machines produce biodiesel, but I believe you when you say they do. The same applies to people who sell NIR machines. No one claimed NIR proves the fuel is to standard, anyway, even Keith. Its only supposedly a way of more easily monitoring a process to ensure no real deviation from a certain point (ie, the standard). Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy Sydney Australia Again: Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard using NIR. THEN you will probably be able to grasp my point. Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Wooly . Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2001 12:49 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR Camillo Or are you using it successfully at present? No, I'm not using it at all. Just following up on Keith's enquiry as to whether I'd found anything on NIR whilst looking for something else. If you've proven it unuseful for the present thats a shame. On what basis? Steve _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: [Fwd: [biofuel] Production]
Hi Steve and welcome, I don't believe that you would need to degum first, but you may need to dry the black oil by heating. Don't be heavy handed on the caustic and you should be OK. A local natural soap maker would value your impure glycerol, caustic and all- try to get enough for it to at least offset the cost of your meth and IPA, actually you may not need the IPA. Hanns has found a local agent for an Indian supplier of oil seed presses- we met him on Tuesday (Brisbane). Their gear is well made and well priced. I'm hoping that they can supply a glcerol still. A component of one of their systems makes a perfect commercial batch reactor for biodiesel at a reasonable price. It is very similar to the design Tony and I came up with for our hobbyist kit. You will need to build a reflux still to reclaim the methanol if you are going to get serious, the design on Kieth's websight is as good as you will get and is easy to build. For a 150l plant I suggest a solar hot water system tank as a starting point-get your local scrap merchants to look for one. They are made of bright steel and have an axial heating element-you mount it vertically. The standard thermostate only goes to ~80C. Its handy to have a thermostatic control on your vessel, I bought an electronic thermostate for ~$200, If you don't need to get over 100C they are cheaper but I like to be able to dry at ~115--120C. I have a number of conductivity controlers here that I may be able to modify with the right thermistor when I get some time to fiddle-I will let you know. My email is attached if you want to ask anything and there appears to be a Sydney support group starting up, though most questions can be asked on this group. I don't have time to follow all threads. Regards from Harry. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all. Well I guess I must be the next new kid on the block. I'm a farmer from country Victoria in Australia. I have managed to get my hands on some cold pressed oil from a crop research institute and have been busy making bio-diesel. I have a question to throw open (only one you ask?!!) Do I need to degum the oil prior to reacting with the alcohol catylist? My impression is that glucosinolates, emzymes, lecithins and all the thick gooey things that are no good for diesels come out with the glycerine (hence the low quality ot the glycerine) and that if the bio-diesel is washed the washing will remove any excess lye, methanol and free fattys. Is this correct? Why I'm asking is that where I live we use a considerable amount of diesel and I honestly think that us big users could be enticed (without a great deal od effort) to replace a percentage of our crude derived distillate with bio-diesel. If the above assumption is correct ( would love to hear from anyone making bio-diesel from cold pressed oil ) I would be interested in setting up my own press, growing and producing bio-diesel and using the meal to fatten livestock. All suggestions, ideas, revelations, critisims (however you spell it!!) are welcome. Regards Steven Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] what standards ???
i find all this carrying on about biodiesel standards and quality (or lack of) somewhat thick. if only we would apply the same self-righteous rigid thinking to fossil diesel, we would soon find that standards can be so farapart as to make usa diesel, for example, illegal in japan, or france. we would also find out that even these lax standards are seldom, if ever,enforced. neatfossil diesel will soften rubber readily. at least the stuff i buy at the pump here in argentina will. but this is a moot fact. soften some rubber with biodiesel though, and all hell breaks lose. fossildiesel will also come with all sorts ofgoodies included. put some in a jar, and let it sit for acouple of months.you'll swearyou've madebiod, as the stuff separates into a lower dark layer and a lighter top one. av gas is the same.it took the usaexperimental aircraft association years before the usa federal aviation agency allowedlead-free car gas use in aircraft. of course, beforethis could legally occur the aircraft operator had to put a sticker on the control panel,telling the world at large thatthe thing was actually flying on choke cargas. tickel has been operating his van for years now, never having washed one ml of biodiesel. i'm not saying he's right or wrong, i'm just saying that there's far too much posturing going on regarding fuzzy standards. cetane values, for example, cannot be determined by either gc, or nir, so what happens to that standard ? is everybody goingto start buying ricardo engines ? i think it wasalekswho put some sense into all of this whenhe provided a 'standard' for home-made bio: 'There is a rule of thumb: the brighter yellow in colour, the better the crack. As a standard you should take virgin sunflower oil yellow colour in see through sunlight. (it's a sort of colourometry)Then take a glass jar of the stuff and place it in front of a white wall in the evening. When seen in reflected light of a tungsten bulb it should not change to orange (a very simple case of absorption spectrometry).1.Nicely cracked bio : very pale yellow (less than virgin sunflower oil) and no change in colour with artificial lighting2.Acceptable bio : yellow like virgin sunflower oil or straw, but willget orangy undertone in reflected tungsten light3.Deeper colour diesel has a lot of glyc in it in form of various glycerids. Not good for standard engines.Remedy: If the diesel is too dark and you are sure that you used the correct quantity(s) of catayst(s), add a pinch more of alcohol. Can be that you are loosing it due to evaporation.' i don't know about the rest of you folks out there, but here in argentina, dino goes for u$s 0.60 a litre and bio can be made foru$s 0.35 or less. a medium size farmer goes through 200 k litres/year. meaning that if he switches to a 50/50 mix, he'll save u$s 25'000 per year, enough to pay for a few engineoverhauls, should heneed them. (though chances are he wont) money.don't you just love the smell of it on the other hand, if what really interests you is making bio from garbage, then i suppose the game's played differently. but i'll worry about that when i run out of virginal vegetable oil.. we must lean heavily on our principles. only way we'll manage to topple them..(clemeanceau) cheers, dick. the ability to snip is believedproportional to iq. this is a public service message. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuel] Re: Isopropyl alcohol
- Original Message - From: Aleksander lt;kac [EMAIL PROTECTED] vfd What are the problems to be encountered when using isopropanol? Acid based reactions work with all alcohols, base catalyzed reactions seem to be picky. Aleks, out of curiosity I had a go at trying to make Bd from cottenseed oil using isopropyl alcohol. Very hard to dissolve NaOH, would KOH dissolve better. Had to almost boil the isopropyl before NaOH would dissolve. On cooling the mixture solidified. Tried using conc aqueous solution of NaOH but as it was poured into isopropanol it the NaOH precipitated out. Reheated initial solidified mix to liquify and added to WCSO at 80 deg C. Viscosity instantly increased and vigorous stirring for ten minutes gave no decrease in viscosity. As you say acid method might be better. Best of luck with your project. Using Isopropyl alcohol would be a lot safer than methanol. Regards, Paul. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
That is what burned (RTG). Magnesium frame caught fire and it went to blazes from there. Nothing is idiot proof. Kirk -Original Message- From: Alan S. Petrillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:15 PM To: biofuel Subject: [biofuel] My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas When it comes to large scale nuclear projects the problem isn't the technology itself, but rather the people who run it. Engineers make mistakes. They try not to, and they try to make designs which would compensate for their errors, but they are human, and therefore fallable. The vast, overwhelming majority of them will try and do the right thing. Unscrupulous engineers, and less scrupulous managers, and other suits cover up the mistakes to keep the proffit margin high. They're more interested in that next raise or promotion than they are in doing the right thing. The bottom line is that people aren't perfect, and any technology designed or maintained by people won't be perfect either. Engineers may make small errors in design. Builders may make small errors in construction, which is why as built blueprints seldom if ever completely match as designed blueprints. When dealing with something as potentially dangerous as large quantities of radioactive materials in huge gigawatt scale nuclear power plants small errors of design or construction get magnified by the sheer scale of the project. Witness Chernobyl. While the design is known to be flawed, it is as safe as nuclear reactors ever are _IF_ operated within its design limitations. But the crew operating it decided to experiment with it. They disabled critical safety features, put the reactor in a condition known to be dangerous for that type of reactor, pulled the control rods out, and it blew up. If you take a gun and ammunition, put the ammunition in the magazine, put the magazine into the gun, load a round into the chamber, hold the grip safety, flip the safety off, and pull the trigger, damned if the thing won't go off! Experiments are for laboratories, not commercial scale nuclear power plants! Fortunately the operators that screwed with Chernobyl paid for their stupidity with their lives. Unfortunately they took many thousands of other people with them. Also witness Three Mile Island. The problem there happened because the operators of the plant didn't believe what their instruments were telling them. When they got readings that didn't match what they expected to see for the reactor's condition they assumed the instruments were faulty. If I as a pilot didn't believe my instruments I'd be dead! Rule Number One; believe what your instruments are telling you unless you can prove by cross check, or obvious failure indications that they are faulty. If you see something you don't expect then find out why. Quickly. The biggest safety problem that the American nuclear industry has, besides lack of oversight, IMHO, is the lack of commonality of design and control systems. Every plant is different in construction and in controls. This is one thing the French got right. Commonality of design and control is a _crucial_ safety factor. If I, as a pilot, had to learn a different method of flying for each individual airplane I climbed into I'd go _nuts_! There would be no safe way to fly anything! Fortunately, while different types of aircraft are different in detail, certain things are the same in all aircraft, and almost everything is the same within examples of each type of aircraft. The same needs to be true of nuclear reactors. In most of the world it isn't. I live about 70 miles south of the Crystal River nuclear power plant. It's a Babcock and Wilcox designed plant of a design similar to Three Mile Island. It's been a boon to manatees, but damned if it doesn't make me nervous sometimes. For damned sure it isn't keeping my power bills down! And none of this says anything about the problem of disposing of large volumes of radioactive waste that will be dangerous for a good part of a million years! So far, the only nuclear reactors I can say I like are the radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) which are used to power space probes. http://www.astro.psu.edu/users/nahks/nuke/index.html They're the only viable power source for deep space missions. They're small, practically indestructible, have no moving parts, and are not subject to operator mishandling. And the only place they are operated, that I am aware of, is in space. All you need to operate an RTG are a man and a dog. The man to feed the dog, and the dog to keep the man away from the RTG! That's why NASA puts them on spacecraft. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT
[biofuel] Re: Hemp in America
I was aware that there were/are some fairly stringent regulations, but I heard that there has been a very recent decision that has completely dashed any hopes of a relaxation. Does anyone have any further information? Or is this an erroneous piece of information? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hemp in America I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Isopropyl alcohol
Paul, snip Very hard to dissolve NaOH, would KOH dissolve better. Had to almost boil the isopropyl before NaOH would dissolve. On cooling the mixture solidified. Tried using conc aqueous solution of NaOH but as it was poured into isopropanol it the NaOH precipitated out. Yepp. That's the one. I'm doing a sort of cryo-solution on methoxide, perhaps it'll work with isoprop as well. Aqueous solutions do not work for bio, so I'll do it pure. KOH is certainly better, even with MetOH, but it has a higher price. Later (monday) Aleks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol.
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol. Keith, A while ago (less than 50 days) I posted an letter on zeolites entitled 'Back to zeolites'. I searched the archives to find it and send it to Kazi to help him out. It is not in the archives. What happened to it? Kazi, Hold on, if I can't find the posting, I will re-type it. snip I am posting my below request third time in a row since last Tuesday. Please anybody can provide assistance in this regard. I require details of molecular sieves for dehydration of Ethnaol. If feedstock has a concnetration around 92-95 or at azeotropic point, how much steam and energy is consumed/liter of Ethanol to produce Fuel grade Ethanol (99.94%). Can any one give some details? Kazi. There's quite a lot of information in the archives, not in the detail you require though. Try a search for zeolite and molecular sieves at this url: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol.
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol. Keith, A while ago (less than 50 days) I posted an letter on zeolites entitled 'Back to zeolites'. I searched the archives to find it and send it to Kazi to help him out. It is not in the archives. What happened to it? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/7110 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Jun 30, 2001 1:14 am Subject: Back to the Zeolites Kazi, Hold on, if I can't find the posting, I will re-type it. snip I am posting my below request third time in a row since last Tuesday. Please anybody can provide assistance in this regard. I require details of molecular sieves for dehydration of Ethnaol. If feedstock has a concnetration around 92-95 or at azeotropic point, how much steam and energy is consumed/liter of Ethanol to produce Fuel grade Ethanol (99.94%). Can any one give some details? Kazi. There's quite a lot of information in the archives, not in the detail you require though. Try a search for zeolite and molecular sieves at this url: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- The Nissan Sentra Everything but compact http://NissanDriven.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vsIKC/txlCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol.
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol. I require details of molecular sieves for dehydration of Ethnaol. If feedstock has a concnetration around 92-95 or at azeotropic point, how much steam and energy is consumed/liter of Ethanol to produce Fuel grade Ethanol (99.94%). Can any one give some details? I would also like to know the comaprison of molecular sieves with Azeotropic Distillation regarding performance, energy consumption and overall efficiency for dehydrating Ethanol (from azeotropic point and above). What are drawabck and disadvantages of moleular sieves for small batch type Ethanol dehydration plant? Anybody could help me? Kazi. Kazi, A couple months ago (May?) there was a lot of discussion about zeolites on this list. I did not know a lot about zeolites my self, so I did some research. I found quite a bit of info on zeolites. It is a naturally occuring mineral (hydrated silicates-sodium aluminum silicate being the most widely used)that is used commercially as a drying agent. When used as a molecular sieve, small beads are made with pores in them to adsorb the water. The two common pore sizes for water adsorption are 5 and 6 angstroms. Bead sizes are about 1.6mm. A mol sieve will adsorb about 30 % its own weight in water. They are regenerated by placing the beads in an oven to drive off the water. The chemical company I talked to said the best way to regenerate them is high temps and low pressure, and they adsorb best under opposite conditions (low temp, high press.) They would work very well for drying 95% EtOH. With careful distillation of your mash, 95% is about the best yeild one can expect of an ethanol still. This mixture would be quite suitable as a motor fuel. You would not need to dehydrate it with mol sieves, unless you are planning to make ethyl esters. The alcohol in biodiesel production needs to be dry. I also learned about talking to over eager sales people. The chemical company I called answered a lot of my questions, he also suggested that he send me a sample of their Siliporite mol sieve to try. I don't plan on using them, but I said go ahead and send it. I assumed I would get a small sample of one of their products. Imagine my surprise when two 8.5 Kg cannisters of zeolite showwed up. One each of the 5 and 6 angstrom sieves. (1.6mm beads). They are now sitting on a shelf, perhaps to be used sometime in the future. Any way, if you are getting 95% EtOH, you don't need to go through the trouble and expense of dehydrating it for fuel except as noted above. A column packed with beads and the alcohol pumped through it would work, or just putting the beads in the alcohol and stirring it around for a while would remove the water. But remember, ethanol will absorb water from the air, so if it is not sealed tightly, you will be right back to 95% after a while. I hope this answers some of your qustions. Good luck, Joe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] home
Hi Ed ..and then there is this one, that you can also live in...even more practical, eh wot? Comes complete with biodiesel oil furnace for those chilly nights, a biodiesel lantern for light, and a biodiesel stove for cooking. http://www.oldwoodies.com/img/rv/20_ford_rvconversion.jpg Well, we're off on holiday no win our much more moder version (complete with Cummins turbodiesel, we'll be able to haul home 3 tonnes of canola and a dozen dozen good sized Sitka spruce... http://www.oldwoodies.com/img/rv/46chevymtrhm.jpg Wow! That's beautiful! What a treat! Just look at that wood, real labour of love. Nice site. Did you see this one? http://www.oldwoodies.com/feature-africar.htm Woodie Feature: Africar - Old Woodies Sad tale, eh? The 2CV's a good choice, another approach at the best car in the world, that and the Renault 4. They buzz around all over Africa, those things, no problems. A lot of 2CVs drove from Europe to South Africa in the 70s, and probably still. The suspension needed some minor beefing and that was all. They look like ridiculous underkill, but they're winners. I had a Renault 4 for awhile, as well as the Peugeot 404. It broke down once. Waited until it was in France to do it. It snapped a fanbelt, at the top of a long hill at sundown. We coasted down the hill, down, down, and into a lovely old spa town, down the main road, across the square, and into the forecourt of a Renault dealer, who fixed it for us overnight and delivered it the next morning to the front door of the old spa hotel we spent the night in. I saw one the other day here in Tokyo, made my heart melt. That big wooden Chevy would sure be a sensation here. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol.
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol. Thanks Keith. Kazi, Look at posting 7110 (below). I also sent another note before Keith sent this one so you now have two postings to look at. Cheers, Joe snip Keith, A while ago (less than 50 days) I posted an letter on zeolites entitled 'Back to zeolites'. I searched the archives to find it and send it to Kazi to help him out. It is not in the archives. What happened to it? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/7110 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hemp in America
I don't have a cite for it, but the DEA announced it's intention to begin treating most hemp products --- definitely oil and food, not sure about fiber -- as the same as marijuana. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was aware that there were/are some fairly stringent regulations, but I heard that there has been a very recent decision that has completely dashed any hopes of a relaxation. Does anyone have any further information? Or is this an erroneous piece of information? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hemp in America I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]Production[FW: Expeller and Filter Press]
Hanns, thanks for the info. I will send them an email and find out more Thanks Steven Hanns B. Wetzel wrote: To Steven Hobbs, I recently obtained quotes from several suppliers for oil expelling equipment for copra. The alse use it for seeds both cold pressed and cooked. You might like to contact them. Forwarded herewith is one of their emails. Hanns -Original Message- From: United Oil Mill Machinery Spares Pvt. Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2001 4:50 PM To: Hanns B. Wetzel Subject: Re: Expeller and Filter Press Dear Mr. Hanns, Reference your E Mail dated 17 th June 2001 we had forwarded our offer for a 3 TPD copra oil mill plant vide our letter dated 18 th June 2001. We trust you would have received and found the same in line with your requirement. Please do inform us the status of our offer. In case you require any clarifications please do not hesitate to contact us. Best Regards For United Oil Mill machinery Spares Pvt. Ltd. Ashish Gandhi Jt. Managing Director. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel]
since diesels dont have emmissions tests... can a take say ... a suzuki sidekick.. and put a diesel in it? ignore the issues of tranplanting it just a matter of are you allowed to do that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] International Renewable Energy Agency
Anyone interested in this issue should join Pedro's group: Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List url: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nuclear-fossil-dangers That's not to say you can't discuss it here too! Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ http://www.eurosolar.org/publications/memo_IRENA_eng.html Memorandum for the Establishment of an International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) by EUROSOLAR Summary The global climate changes, the impending exhaustion of fossil energy sources, the dangers of nuclear based security as well as the proliferation of atomic weapons will result in our relying globally on Renewable Energy. This maxim applies for all countries throughout the world, for developing countries as well as industrial ones. Time is pressing; the introduction of Renewable Energy is not keeping up with increasing energy consumption. Industrial countries with established systems of conventional energy supply need to implement a thorough structural change to replace conventional energy sources with renewable ones, and in the meanwhile make greater efforts to reduce their over-proportional energy consumption. Developing and transitional countries, however, have an increasing demand for energy which is necessary for the economic development. Most of them are still at the stage of introducing efficient energy systems, especially in rural areas. It is reasonable to conclude that they should start out with new technologies for Renewable Energy, rather than going the long way round via nuclear and fossil energy systems. Because most of mankind lives in developing countries, a mass introduction of these new types of technology are not only in the interest of these countries but in the interest of mankind as a whole. To date the broad technological and industrial know-how for the use of Renewable Energy is only available in a few industrial countries, though. The fundamental structural difference between conventional and Renewable Energy is that conventional ones are mostly supplied by large power stations, renewable ones mostly by small systems. Hence widespread participation in promoting Renewable Energy is necessary. Moreover, Renewable Energy systems are usually less complex, so that developing countries could well build their own prerequisite for the introduction of this Renewable Energy technology. So far this has not been the case. A precondition to introduce these new types of technology is thus a speedy increase of the number of potential participants. Therefore a non-commercial transfer of knowledge and technology must be organized. Since this transfer must be implemented quickly and on a broad scale, there should be a specialized international agency expressly created for this purpose: the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA). IRENA should be supported by governments being members of and monitoring the agency. Membership must be open to any country that supports IRENA within the framework of its statutes. The agency is particularly important to developing and transitional countries which have few means of their own to organize transfers of knowledge and technology. The G8-task-force recommendations, to introduce new technology for using Renewable Energy for 1 million people within the next 10 years would hardly be possible without an organisation like IRENA. One of the tasks of IRENA will be to advise governments on: * drawing up national programmes for the introduction of Renewable Energy; * supporting education, training, and the dissemination of information about Renewable Energy; * implementing training activities for administrators, technicians, craftsmen and for small and medium enterprises (SME); * cooperating in the foundation of regional centres of research, development, and transfer; * evaluating and processing information on applied technology and best practice experience; * advising on and arranging financing options for Renewable Energy; * collecting data and drawing up statistics. IRENA's tasks should be complementary to the activities of governmental and non-governmental organizations and enterprises. It shall not replace their activities, but support them if necessary and be active especially in those countries and regions where there are no relevant activities so far. It shall mainly work towards establishing and linking existing structures. It is a global project to help people help themselves to introduce new technologies for using Renewable Energy. These are the advantages of IRENA: * a competent international structure for non-commercial transfer of technology; * consistant introduction and proliferation of Renewble Energy; * a global contact point for development and concepts in the field of Renewable Energy, helping Renewable Energy become more efficient. The organizational
Re: [biofuel]
Here's an URL for it: http://www.keltec.com/hardware/suzuki.html Whether or not you would be allowed depends on which state you live in. In most states (US), people can put any engine in whatever. Crabb, David wrote: since diesels dont have emmissions tests... can a take say ... a suzuki sidekick.. and put a diesel in it? ignore the issues of tranplanting it just a matter of are you allowed to do that? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Bulletin
BIODIESEL BULLETIN A Monthly Newsletter of the National Biodiesel Board July 31, 2001 Headlines: á Cincinnati Switches City Buses to Biodiesel á Biodiesel Available in Public Pump in Maine á USDA Economic Study Shows Positive Effect of Soy-Based Fuel á USDA to Hold Biodiesel Seminar á Washington Update Cincinnati Switches City Buses to Biodiesel Cincinnati is again using B20 in more than 150 city buses. Cincinnati Metro made the announcement about its switch to the alternative fuel July 23 at a special kick-off event. ãBiodiesel cuts pollution without reducing engine power or mileage,ä said Metro General Manager Paul Jablonski. ãBiodiesel gives us yet another way to improve our regionâs air quality. Itâs a wonder fuel.ä The fuel is nothing new to Metro. Metro participated in successful national tests for biodiesel in years past. Under Metroâs contract, the B20 results in about a 10% increase in cost per gallon. The difference in fuel cost is being funded by a $50,000 grant from the Department of Transportationâs Congestion Mitigation/Air Quality program, which encourages innovative clean air solutions. World Energy is supplying the fuel to Metro. The USDA vigorously applauds Cincinnati Metro's use of biodiesel, said Ron Buckhalt, U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) senior marketing specialist. This clean fuels effort is part of something bigger. Itâs part of a move away from a hydrocarbon economy, to a carbohydrate economy. The move to this soybean-based fuel is significant because it not only reinforces Cincinnatiâs commitment to cleaner air; it also positively impacts Ohioâs soybean farmers, said Ohio soybean grower Steve Miller, who spoke at the kick-off event. Ohio is fifth in soybean production nationally, according to the Ohio Soybean Council. Biodiesel Available at Public Pump in Maine A public fueling station in the Northeast selling biodiesel to the public is experiencing increased demand for B100. Solar Market in Arundel, Maine, sells B100 for $2.45 per gallon plus tax. The company, which bills itself as a sustainable living store, offers discount prices for bulk purchases. The response has been fantastic, said owner Naoto Inoue. People have even been driving up from New Hampshire and Massachusetts to buy the biodiesel. Inoue sells about 800 gallons per month, and is experiencing steady growth. Solar Market is located at 25 Limerick Road, Arundel, Maine. USDA Economic Study Shows Positive Effect of Soy-Based Fuel An economic study recently released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) says as demand for soy-based products like biodiesel increases, significant economic benefits to U.S. farmers and other aspects of the economy will result. The study, entitled Economic Analysis of Increasing Soybean Oil Demand Through the Development of New Products, was completed by the USDA's Office of Energy Policy and New Uses in conjunction with the Economic Research Service (ERS). Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, requested the study last year. Economists examined the effect of increasing soybean oil demand from 183 million pounds in 2001 to 2.9 billion pounds in 2010 (an average of 1.5 billion pounds per year). Thatâs the equivalent of 200 million gallons of biodiesel production a year. The U.S. used about 35 billion gallons of on-road diesel fuel in 1999. An assumed increase in soybean oil demand averaging 1.5 billion pounds per year is projected to increase the annual average soybean oil price by 22 percent, said USDA Chief Economist Keith Collins in a letter to Grassley. The study shows that an increase of 200 million gallons of soybean oil use per year would boost total crop cash receipts by $5.2 billion cumulatively by 2010, resulting in an average net farm income increase of $300 million per year. The price for a bushel of soybeans would rise by an average of 17 cents annually during the ten-year period. The study also shows that the average annual increase in use of soybean oil would create 13,000 jobs in the farm, food processing, manufacturing and service sectors. Collins also notes that increasing the use of soybean oil for biodiesel and other bioproducts reduces the nation's dependence on imported energy and is projected to lower the U.S. trade deficit.The net export value of agricultural commodities plus the decline in import value of diesel fuel would lower the trade deficit by a cumulative $1.55 billion during 2001-10. This report is very good news for soybean producers, Grassley said. Their commodity is the basis for value-added products that increase farm income, enhance rural communities, make America more energy independent, and clean up the environment. For example, biodiesel is a proven success in making conventional diesel engines burn cleaner. And today there are exciting new possibilities for biodiesel to clean up dirty diesel-powered generators. USDA to Hold Biodiesel Seminar As the nation explores
US DEA's Proposed Hemp Regs was Re: [biofuel] Re: Hemp in America
Harmon and all interested, The text of the US DEA's proposed regs which will essentially classify all hemp seed, hemp oil and hemp meal products as marihuana, can be found at http://www.hempembargo.com/ http://www.hempembargo.com/PropReg022501.html All derivatives from these products, ranging from cattle feed to hemp biodiesel to the now famous hemp/blue corn chips to soaps, shampoos and hemp oil candles, will also be classified the same, should they show even the slightest trace of THC - technically even if the trace level is as little as one part per trillion. What the DEA is attempting to do is force the industry out of existence by changing the text of the regs to include a level of adherence that virtually no industry would be able to meet - no matter the technology at hand. The industrial hemp industry has continually jumped through virtually every hoop and over every barrier placed before them, all the while proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that hemp is a viable and valuable agricultural product. Now that economic success has been unequivocally proven - time in and time out and contrary to every historical and contemporary government agency's claims - the attempt is to gut the industry and let it suffocate from diminished market access Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have a cite for it, but the DEA announced it's intention to begin treating most hemp products --- definitely oil and food, not sure about fiber -- as the same as marijuana. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was aware that there were/are some fairly stringent regulations, but I heard that there has been a very recent decision that has completely dashed any hopes of a relaxation. Does anyone have any further information? Or is this an erroneous piece of information? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hemp in America I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] how would you argue?
how would you argue, if you want to make clear that biofuel is something good? i know that it is really ok, but just wanted to know if there are other arguments which project positive influence on biofuel.. thanks for your ideas asil Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
Yes. Ever since DuPont wanted a monopoly for his new synthetic rope for military contracts. Needing more rope for politicians necks ever since. L -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:19:50 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Hemp in America I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG Biofuel at Journey to Forever: A HREF=http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html; TARGET=_newFONT COLOR=BLUEhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html/FONT/A Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to A HREF=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/; TARGET=_newFONT COLOR=BLUEhttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms//FONT/A -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] how would you argue?
how would you argue, if you want to make clear that biofuel is something good? i know that it is really ok, but just wanted to know if there are other arguments which project positive influence on biofuel.. thanks for your ideas asil Hi Asil I think you'll find most of the arguments here, lots of data and references: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels: Journey to Forever http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Biofuel at WebConX Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] (unknown)
I was more worried about lubrication than cumbustion. I tried about 6 or 7 cups of biodiesel mixed with about 2 gallons of 2 cycle gasoline. It works, but starts harder. Seems to have more power. So far the pistons haven't frozen in the cylinders. ;-) Unfortunately, the spark plugs are fouling up. So I'll probably discontinue this experiment. Thanks for your input though. On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:38:30 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that would be a very bad learning experience. A diesel engine fires from compression, a gasoline engine, even a two cycle one fires from spark plug ignition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] (unknown)
Do you know how much biodiesel will take the place of 2 cycle oil? On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:00:19 -0700 Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's right. It is Ok to use certain vegetable oil products and veg oil/biodiesel blends for the two stroke lube, to replace the oil, and the lubricity is going to be better in that case. However, biodiesel as fuel is not a replacement for gasoline. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] (unknown) I think that would be a very bad learning experience. A diesel engine fires from compression, a gasoline engine, even a two cycle one fires from spark plug ignition. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol.
Dear Keith, Yes, I got it. Thank you very much for your kindness. But if you have more data or study available on the interent, please send it to me. Kazi. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Molecualar sieves and dehydration of Alcohol. Keith, A while ago (less than 50 days) I posted an letter on zeolites entitled 'Back to zeolites'. I searched the archives to find it and send it to Kazi to help him out. It is not in the archives. What happened to it? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/7110 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Jun 30, 2001 1:14 am Subject: Back to the Zeolites Kazi, Hold on, if I can't find the posting, I will re-type it. snip I am posting my below request third time in a row since last Tuesday. Please anybody can provide assistance in this regard. I require details of molecular sieves for dehydration of Ethnaol. If feedstock has a concnetration around 92-95 or at azeotropic point, how much steam and energy is consumed/liter of Ethanol to produce Fuel grade Ethanol (99.94%). Can any one give some details? Kazi. There's quite a lot of information in the archives, not in the detail you require though. Try a search for zeolite and molecular sieves at this url: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
Hi Steve and All, In 10 or so states it's legal now for industral hemp. Most of these states allow medical marijauna too. The Feds are still pissed about it though. But it's hard to make a federal case from something that the states say is legalin their state. Let's hope they come to their senses and legalize it federally. jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. Steve Spence -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what burned (RTG). Magnesium frame caught fire and it went to blazes from there. Given the design of the things, I'd bet the plutonium stayed in the incinerator. It probably left as pellets in the ash when the ash was collected and disposed of. Even so, it'll make whatever landfill the stuff was disposed of into a dangerous place for a couple of hundred years. Nothing is idiot proof. Indeed. Someone took the dog away. Which goes back to my original statement. It isn't the technology itself, it's the people running it that are the problem. Come to think of it, given the government's propensity to sell its problems off to unsuspecting people, I wonder if any of these things have ever been sold at a surplus auction. Wouldn't _that_ be interesting to find in your trailer load of junk! The thing has a couple of million dollars worth of iridium and rhodium in it, but you'd probably want to wait a couple of hundred years before extracting it, and until then you could jumper it into your solar system, and use it to help charge your batteries. While encased in a lead lined room, of course. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Power plants kill you
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the first commercial slogans of nuclear industries back in the 50's was Energy too cheap to meter. I remember seeing old newsreels about that. My first reaction was Yeah, right! Like _that'll_ ever happen! Power companies give up proffit? Not a chance! There was also great talk about nuclear powered, human occupied space ships traveling the universe. There still is, but we haven't yet even taken baby steps in that direction. We started to, but then we burned the fleet in the mid '70's. Fortunately it looks like we may be about to start taking some baby steps again. RTG's will certainly be along for the ride. Hopefully each one will be equipped with a large and muscular dog to keep the people away from it. Now we just have to come up with a fuel crop that can be grown in a greenhouse on Mars! -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
Someone managed to get a cable on it and drug it out the bay door. It sat on the parking apron and burned. Fire dept watched it burn for a half hour until someone arrived with equipment. Plutonium burns quite well. Like I said-- 50,000 lung cancers at least. Oh well. I have a friend who is the only surviving member of the film crew on Smokey. He survived because he didn't eat that meal full of radioactive dust. Do you think the widows and orphans of his crew got $5 from the gvt? No connection is the official BS. Kirk At Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:35:47 -0400 , Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what burned (RTG). Magnesium frame caught fire and it went to blazes from there. Given the design of the things, I'd bet the plutonium stayed in the incinerator. It probably left as pellets in the ash when the ash was collected and disposed of. Even so, it'll make whatever landfill the stuff was disposed of into a dangerous place for a couple of hundred years. Nothing is idiot proof. Indeed. Someone took the dog away. Which goes back to my original statement. It isn't the technology itself, it's the people running it that are the problem. Come to think of it, given the government's propensity to sell its problems off to unsuspecting people, I wonder if any of these things have ever been sold at a surplus auction. Wouldn't _that_ be interesting to find in your trailer load of junk! The thing has a couple of million dollars worth of iridium and rhodium in it, but you'd probably want to wait a couple of hundred years before extracting it, and until then you could jumper it into your solar system, and use it to help charge your batteries. While encased in a lead lined room, of course. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
if you try growing it, the feds will still raid you and put you in jail. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America Hi Steve and All, In 10 or so states it's legal now for industral hemp. Most of these states allow medical marijauna too. The Feds are still pissed about it though. But it's hard to make a federal case from something that the states say is legalin their state. Let's hope they come to their senses and legalize it federally. jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. Steve Spence -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [incinerated RTG] Someone managed to get a cable on it and drug it out the bay door. It sat on the parking apron and burned. Fire dept watched it burn for a half hour until someone arrived with equipment. It goes back to what I said about human error, and what you said about nothing being idiotproof. What kind of idiot would put an RTG into an incinerator in the first place? Plutonium burns quite well. Like I said-- 50,000 lung cancers at least. Oh well. All of the RTG's I've read about have used Plutonium Dioxide in ceramic pellets as fuel, which wouldn't burn. And the pellets are encased in clads which are built to survive reentry. Was the one that burned a really old one or something? [other replies in private email] -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Biodiesel and 2-strokes = was Re: [biofuel] (unknown)
Pip J. Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know how much biodiesel will take the place of 2 cycle oil? I'd also like to know that. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:00:19 -0700 Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's right. It is Ok to use certain vegetable oil products and veg oil/biodiesel blends for the two stroke lube, to replace the oil, and the lubricity is going to be better in that case. However, biodiesel as fuel is not a replacement for gasoline. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] (unknown) I think that would be a very bad learning experience. A diesel engine fires from compression, a gasoline engine, even a two cycle one fires from spark plug ignition. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Biodiesel in gasoline engines Re: [biofuel] (unknown)
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't such a far-fetched idea. Quite a few tractors and other machines were designed to run on kerosene. My BCS garden tractor, for instance, has the exact same engine, except for carb and tank, as their kerosene model. The way it's done is that the tank has two compartments -- a small one for gasoline, the rest for kerosene. You start up on gasoline -- and, I assume, shut down on gas as well. Once the engine is warmed up, flip the lever on the tank outlet to the kerosene side. This is the same procedure for running SVO in a diesel. Be interesting to see how straight biodiesel would work. I'm sure you could run straight bd in your 2-cycle engine if you started and shutdown with gas. You also probably need to change the jets --- I'm sure that's the only difference there is in the carbs. Hi Harmon, Pip I've heard of Third World mechanics rigging engines that way. Small tank or container for the start-up petrol (gasoline), with a switch between that and the main supply, then they wind a copper fuel lead for the kero round the exhaust manifold to warm it up, and that's that - cheapo fuel. I'm sure they've got it well-figured though, it sounds like there could be right ways and also very wrong ways of doing that. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Pip J. Patton wrote: I was more worried about lubrication than cumbustion. I tried about 6 or 7 cups of biodiesel mixed with about 2 gallons of 2 cycle gasoline. It works, but starts harder. Seems to have more power. So far the pistons haven't frozen in the cylinders. ;-) Unfortunately, the spark plugs are fouling up. So I'll probably discontinue this experiment. Thanks for your input though. On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:38:30 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that would be a very bad learning experience. A diesel engine fires from compression, a gasoline engine, even a two cycle one fires from spark plug ignition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
Someone managed to get a cable on it and drug it out the bay door. It sat on the parking apron and burned. Fire dept watched it burn for a half hour until someone arrived with equipment. Plutonium burns quite well. Like I said-- 50,000 lung cancers at least. Oh well. I have a friend who is the only surviving member of the film crew on Smokey. He survived because he didn't eat that meal full of radioactive dust. Do you think the widows and orphans of his crew got $5 from the gvt? No connection is the official BS. Kirk What was that about, Kirk (the film crew on Smokey)? Don't know that story. I keep wondering about the compensation angle. Like what we had the other day, about the NRC's admitted 12 cancer deaths per reactor. No doubt an estimate on the paltry side, considering the bent of the estimators, but somehow I doubt those families would be getting $5 from the gubmint either, nor even funeral costs. But, they've admitted it, so they're liable, right? It reminds me of China, where, after they've shot you in the head for some piffling offence or other, probably in public, they send your family a bill for the bullets. (Then they sell your organs on the international transplant market.) Similarly gross, just a matter of degree. I have difficulty with the whole idea of compensation. In physics and mechanics, something that compensates for some other effect actually does so, no? - or the plane crashes, the boat sinks. But in economics? Sorry about your husband, Mrs Jones, never mind, here's five bucks. Never mind how many bucks, that's not compensation. It's not a debt that can ever be paid off. I have the same problem with insurance. These two statements aren't the same: He may be dead, but he's rich. He may be rich, but he's dead. One is insane, the other's the reality. I guess I'm an economic primitive, peasant-think, still believe in barter, still don't believe that money is the equal of - the same as - what it's supposed to represent the value of. It was never supposed to have its own, independent, value, and this compensation issue points to the flaw. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ At Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:35:47 -0400 , Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what burned (RTG). Magnesium frame caught fire and it went to blazes from there. Given the design of the things, I'd bet the plutonium stayed in the incinerator. It probably left as pellets in the ash when the ash was collected and disposed of. Even so, it'll make whatever landfill the stuff was disposed of into a dangerous place for a couple of hundred years. Nothing is idiot proof. Indeed. Someone took the dog away. Which goes back to my original statement. It isn't the technology itself, it's the people running it that are the problem. Come to think of it, given the government's propensity to sell its problems off to unsuspecting people, I wonder if any of these things have ever been sold at a surplus auction. Wouldn't _that_ be interesting to find in your trailer load of junk! The thing has a couple of million dollars worth of iridium and rhodium in it, but you'd probably want to wait a couple of hundred years before extracting it, and until then you could jumper it into your solar system, and use it to help charge your batteries. While encased in a lead lined room, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Biodiesel in gasoline engines Re: [biofuel] (unknown)
Looking at the parts book for my tractor, I see there's only three parts different. The tank, of course, and the carb (although only difference in the carb are the jets) and a hotter spark plug. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Biodiesel and 2-strokes = was Re: [biofuel] (unknown)
Not sure how you'd figure it -- biodiesel is supposed to give better lube already, but quite a few people who run diesels are in the habit of adding 2-cycle oil to their dinodiesel for extra lube. Or one of the more expensive commercial fuel additives. Keith Addison wrote: Pip J. Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know how much biodiesel will take the place of 2 cycle oil? I'd also like to know that. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
Wasn't in an incinerator. Was being tested and caught fire. They got it out of the building but that's all. I did not examine the debris. I only heard comments about over a pound of missing plutonium. Accidents happen. But to coverup on such a scale and to deny culpability when you have damaged others so deeply. Sociopathic behavior. Couple that with denying culpability on Smokey and my experience as a field service engineer at Picker and my impression of the radiation business is a snakepit. The stats are lies. Kirk -Original Message- From: Alan S. Petrillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:17 PM To: biofuel Subject: [biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [incinerated RTG] Someone managed to get a cable on it and drug it out the bay door. It sat on the parking apron and burned. Fire dept watched it burn for a half hour until someone arrived with equipment. It goes back to what I said about human error, and what you said about nothing being idiotproof. What kind of idiot would put an RTG into an incinerator in the first place? Plutonium burns quite well. Like I said-- 50,000 lung cancers at least. Oh well. All of the RTG's I've read about have used Plutonium Dioxide in ceramic pellets as fuel, which wouldn't burn. And the pellets are encased in clads which are built to survive reentry. Was the one that burned a really old one or something? [other replies in private email] -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Smokey
The official dogma is money heals all. The legal system is based on it. Smokey was an above ground test in Nevada. My friend worked in films. I forget the military name for it but they filmed tests and such. He had a hot date in LA so while everyone went to mess he put everything in boxes and loaded the truck so they could get back ASAP. The food was on open tables,no tent, and radioactive dust descended. They all died of cancer of the alimentary tract-- intestinal cancer, stomach cancer etc. Jay was the only survivor and the military denied any liability. As usual. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas Someone managed to get a cable on it and drug it out the bay door. It sat on the parking apron and burned. Fire dept watched it burn for a half hour until someone arrived with equipment. Plutonium burns quite well. Like I said-- 50,000 lung cancers at least. Oh well. I have a friend who is the only surviving member of the film crew on Smokey. He survived because he didn't eat that meal full of radioactive dust. Do you think the widows and orphans of his crew got $5 from the gvt? No connection is the official BS. Kirk What was that about, Kirk (the film crew on Smokey)? Don't know that story. I keep wondering about the compensation angle. Like what we had the other day, about the NRC's admitted 12 cancer deaths per reactor. No doubt an estimate on the paltry side, considering the bent of the estimators, but somehow I doubt those families would be getting $5 from the gubmint either, nor even funeral costs. But, they've admitted it, so they're liable, right? It reminds me of China, where, after they've shot you in the head for some piffling offence or other, probably in public, they send your family a bill for the bullets. (Then they sell your organs on the international transplant market.) Similarly gross, just a matter of degree. I have difficulty with the whole idea of compensation. In physics and mechanics, something that compensates for some other effect actually does so, no? - or the plane crashes, the boat sinks. But in economics? Sorry about your husband, Mrs Jones, never mind, here's five bucks. Never mind how many bucks, that's not compensation. It's not a debt that can ever be paid off. I have the same problem with insurance. These two statements aren't the same: He may be dead, but he's rich. He may be rich, but he's dead. One is insane, the other's the reality. I guess I'm an economic primitive, peasant-think, still believe in barter, still don't believe that money is the equal of - the same as - what it's supposed to represent the value of. It was never supposed to have its own, independent, value, and this compensation issue points to the flaw. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ At Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:35:47 -0400 , Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what burned (RTG). Magnesium frame caught fire and it went to blazes from there. Given the design of the things, I'd bet the plutonium stayed in the incinerator. It probably left as pellets in the ash when the ash was collected and disposed of. Even so, it'll make whatever landfill the stuff was disposed of into a dangerous place for a couple of hundred years. Nothing is idiot proof. Indeed. Someone took the dog away. Which goes back to my original statement. It isn't the technology itself, it's the people running it that are the problem. Come to think of it, given the government's propensity to sell its problems off to unsuspecting people, I wonder if any of these things have ever been sold at a surplus auction. Wouldn't _that_ be interesting to find in your trailer load of junk! The thing has a couple of million dollars worth of iridium and rhodium in it, but you'd probably want to wait a couple of hundred years before extracting it, and until then you could jumper it into your solar system, and use it to help charge your batteries. While encased in a lead lined room, of course. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[biofuel] Asia to import less fuel oil as demand stagnates
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11858 Planet Ark Asia to import less fuel oil as demand stagnates SINGAPORE: August 1, 2001 SINGAPORE - Asia's appetite for fuel oil imports will wane in the next four years as rising regional supplies outpace crawling growth in demand, industry sources said yesterday. Incremental demand for fuel oil will hinge largely on additions to power generation capacity and availability of alternate fuels, they said. Although power requirements in two of world's most populous nations - China and India - are expected to spurt, a large chunk of new generation capacity will use natural gas. Gas is becoming increasingly available to power-deficit Asian economies, and as it is introduced, oil is the fuel most commonly displaced, said John Vautrain, vice president at consultancy firm Purvin Gertz in Singapore. Apart from environmental advantages of cleaner-burning natural gas, it also is cheaper than fuel oil and is sold under long-term contracts offering greater security of supply, he said. Recent industry estimates suggest that Asian fuel oil imports will contract to just over 990,000 barrels per day (bpd) in 2005 from 1.05 million bpd in 2001. Regional demand will rise a slim 2.4 percent to 3.42 million bpd in 2005 from 3.34 million bpd this year, estimates showed. But demand growth is expected to lag a rise in regional production - seen this year at just below three million bpd and increasing to 3.16 million bpd in 2005. The lag will also mean lower import requirements in the next four years. Industry experts said China, the region's biggest consumer of fuel oil, would show the largest decline in imports as it beefs up refining capacity to 270 million tonnes per year (tpy) by 2005 from the current 230 million tpy. Chinese fuel oil imports are expected to drop off by some 73,000 bpd by 2005 from 220,000 bpd in 2000. Similar capacity expansion in India could leave an exportable surplus of up to 116,000 bpd, estimates show. POWER, GAS KEY TO DEMAND Gas is expected to make big headway in China and India in coming years, but the viability and timing of the plethora of projects on the drawing board remain a key uncertainty. China is planning its first liquefied natural gas (LNG) import terminal by 2005, while India is aiming to get an LNG industry up and running by 2003. But this year's global economic slowdown could weigh on both demand and investment in the near term, experts said. Oil demand is weaker than expected in both Asia-Pacific and the world. This may be reflected in the Asia-Pacific's gas demand, Fereidun Fesharaki, president of Hawaii-based consultancy FACTS Inc., said at a recent industry conference. While gas demand may be slow in the short term, we still foresee strong mid and long-term growth, he said. Experts saw little threat to fuel oil from orimulsion, which is burnt for power generation in Italy, Canada and China. State-owned China National Petroleum Corp recently signed a 30-year supply deal with Venezuela state oil firm PDVSA for orimulsion starting in 2004 and Singapore's PowerSeraya has a 10-year supply deal with a PDVSA unit starting in 2004. Analysts said the tar-like substance is a long way from grabbing market share in Asia. Orimulsion is not the fuel for Asia, said a Singapore-based analyst, who declined to be named. SUPPLIES DWINDLE Fuel oil for ships, also known as bunker fuel, accounts for about 40 percent of Asia's total fuel oil consumption and will remain a large part of the market, analysts said. But refiners may also opt in the future to process more fuel oil into higher-value refined products, directing supplies away from the base markets such as bunkers and power generation. Long term, refineries may expand complexity to get higher value-added gasoline and distillates, said Vautrain. Some companies are already looking at alternative fuel oil outlets with Chinese demand expected to wane in the longer term with a switch to LNG. A Singapore-based official at Caltex , one of the major suppliers of oil products in the region, said the company was weighing building a fuel oil-based power plant at its refinery in South Korea against a residue fluid catalytic cracker, which processes heavy residues into mainly gasoline and some gas oil. South Korea is one of the biggest suppliers of fuel oil into China. It sold about 9.1 million tonnes or roughly 80 percent of its exports to China in 2000. Story by Amitav Ranjan REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
[biofuel] Fuel Economy Website Offers One Stop Auto Information
http://ens-news.com/ens/jul2001/2001L-07-31-09.html Environment News Service: AmeriScan: July 31, 2001 Fuel Economy Website Offers One Stop Auto Information WASHINGTON, DC, July 31, 2001 (ENS) - Consumers have a new and improved on-line tool to help them select the perfect vehicle. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) today added several new features to the federal government's fuel economy web site, http://www.fueleconomy.gov, including a gasoline price page with links to national and regional fuel price information and information on vehicle safety ratings and air pollution. These new features will help consumers understand their total transportation costs and vehicle choices so they can make informed decisions when shopping for a car, said Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham. With this one-stop resource at their fingertips, car buyers can be confident that they've selected the safest, cleanest, and most fuel efficient vehicle that meets their needs. The web site is produced in partnership with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the new features are the result of expanded collaboration between the two agencies, as well as with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) and other industry partners. The gasoline price page features links targeted to national and regional fuel price information, courtesy of the American Automobile Association (AAA) and DOE's Energy Information Administration. Other links direct users to stations offering the least expensive gas in town. A new consumer information page can help drivers understand exactly where their money goes each time they visit the gas pump, and answers other questions about fuel pricing. The vehicle safety rating information comes from DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and vehicle-specific air pollution information from EPA. For example, consumers with children who are researching minivans will be able to identify which models have earned five stars on NHTSA's frontal and side impact tests and use the website's side-by-side comparison features to determine which of those vehicles offers the best fuel economy and lowest greenhouse gas and air pollution emissions. Certain sport utility vehicle (SUV) models score five stars on the NHTSA front impact test and four stars on the side test. Using http://www.fueleconomy.gov, the potential SUV buyer is able to compare model features and decide to opt for the version with better fuel economy and emissions. For example, the four liter engine version of one SUV model is more fuel efficient and has lower greenhouse gas emissions than the five liter version of the same model. Model year 2002 vehicle information will be released on the website this fall. In addition to the new upgrades the site lists annual fuel cost data for new and used vehicles dating back to 1985. It allows searches for vehicles by class, make and model, and miles per gallon, offers fuel saving driver's tips, and links to numerous car buying websites. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Worst polluters not targeted in vehicle inspection programs
http://enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/08/08022001/polluters_44513.asp Worst polluters not targeted in vehicle inspection programs Thursday, August 02, 2001 By Environmental News Network Ford Taurus' emissions are tested on a chassis dynamometer at the National Renewable Energy Lab. Smog hangs brown and heavy in the summer air over many U.S. cities, but states are missing opportunities to reduce air pollution by spending too many resources inspecting low-emitting vehicles and by not dealing effectively with the dirtiest ones, says a new report from the National Research Council. Older vehicles that are not in the best working order make up about 10 percent of the nation's fleet but typically emit about 50 percent of most harmful air pollutants from motor vehicles. State emissions inspection and maintenance programs should target these older vehicles if they are to achieve any real progress in reducing vehicle emissions, the research panel advised. The report, requested by Congress, points to flawed computer models used by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and state agencies that overestimate the reduction in vehicle emissions attributable to inspection and maintenance programs. Actual emissions are typically reduced by less than half of what was projected, the report says, findings that confirm independent and state-sponsored assessments of the value of inspections. Inspection and maintenance programs should focus on repairing the worst polluting vehicles and verifying repairs - but in ways that are both cost-effective for states and not overly burdensome for owners, said Ralph Cicerone, chairman of the 12-member committee that wrote the report and chancellor at the University of California at Irvine. We also need better methods of evaluating the impact of these programs. But having said that, it's important to emphasize that these programs are absolutely necessary to reduce harmful auto emissions and achieve better air quality, Cicerone said. Targeting high emitters may raise fairness concerns because these vehicles are more likely to be owned by people with limited economic means, the committee said. Currently, 10 percent of vehicles required to undergo emissions testing never show up for inspection, while 10 to 27 percent of vehicles that fail inspection never end up passing the test. Since many of the owners of these cars probably cannot afford to fix them, policies should be explored to provide financial relief or other incentives so the owners will obtain long-lasting repairs or replace faulty vehicles, the panel suggested. Inspection and maintenance programs have been set up in jurisdictions that violate federal air-quality standards. They typically involve regularly scheduled exhaust tests that measure emissions of carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, and in some cases, nitrogen oxides. Motor vehicle exhaust is a major source of these precursors of ground-level ozone, or smog. It is most harmful in summer as strong sunlight and hot weather cause ground-level ozone to form in harmful concentrations in the air. Repeated exposure to smog may cause permanent damage to the lungs, according to the EPA. Even when ozone is present in low levels, inhaling it triggers a variety of health problems, including chest pains, coughing, nausea, throat irritation, and congestion. It also can worsen bronchitis, heart disease, emphysema, and asthma, and reduce lung capacity. The vehicle inspection and maintenance programs are implemented by the states and overseen by the EPA. They have the potential to reduce emissions in several ways, the panel notes. Motorists may be persuaded to do a better job of maintaining their vehicles, repairs might be made before inspection or as the result of failing a test, and some vehicles may be scrapped because the owners do not think the repairs are worth the cost, given the vehicle's age or condition. Amendments made to the Clean Air Act in 1990 require a number of states with particularly high levels of pollution to conduct more comprehensive inspections. They are required to submit an evaluation of the effectiveness of their emissions inspection programs to the EPA every two years, although most states have not complied, the panel found. The panel points out that a barrier to federal compliance has been the EPA's mandate to use only one evaluation method, but says the agency has now begun to provide better guidance to states. Its guidelines, however, should be based on more sound measurements and statistical methods - and be peer reviewed, the committee said. The panel suggested that remote-sensing devices could be used to estimate emissions of moving vehicles. Comprehensive, long-term evaluations of testing programs should be conducted in a few locations to research some fundamental issues related to the value of these programs, such as the extent of preinspection repairs, the durability of
