Re: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed

[Kim & Garth Travis]

The learning curve is much more difficult, due to the fact that you are 
going against the 'norm'  and your neighbors tend to tell you that you are 
strange and weird, but once you get used to how things work, it is much 
less work.  My best teacher is Mother Nature and she does most of the work 
for you, if you let her.  I could not have made it this far with out my 
second teacher, Keith.  The small farms section of journeytoforever is 
fabulous!  Learning the value of weeds and other misconceptions will save 
you a great deal of work.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 03:52 PM 7/24/2004, you wrote:
>There are some good posts in the archives from real organic farmers
>doing this properly, with lower costs, equal or higher yields, better
>quality, and they're getting premium prices. One said they're
>laughing all the way to the bank. Sustainable methods are not less
>efficient, less productive, less profitable, or more difficult.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith



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Re: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed

[Keith Addison]

Hi Hakan

>Keith,
>
>I am not sure that rape seed is industrialized monocrop in Europe, most
>farms that I know of, grow it in a rotation scheme. I thought that the
>rotation schemes with resting periods, was a part of maintaining soil
>quality, but I am not an expert on this.

Yes, that too, even quite often, and the same with soy in the US. It 
doesn't make much difference though. Simply rotating crops with some 
intervening fallow periods is not enough to maintain soil fertility, 
all it can do is reduce some of the strain. As you say, it's just a 
part, and since it's usually the only part (if even that), bridging 
the ever-widening gap is as usual a matter of chemicals and fossil 
fuels and dubious sustainability, if any. It's still industrialised.

There are some good posts in the archives from real organic farmers 
doing this properly, with lower costs, equal or higher yields, better 
quality, and they're getting premium prices. One said they're 
laughing all the way to the bank. Sustainable methods are not less 
efficient, less productive, less profitable, or more difficult.

Best wishes

Keith


>Hakan
>
>At 06:42 24/07/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello Rob
> >
> > >I heard an interesting story on the BBC World Service "Europe Today"
> > >program broadcast on July 23.  They interviewed a spokesperson from a
> > >British company with a patented technology to generate electrical power
> > >from rapeseed oil and WVO.
> > >
> > >The process involves virgin oil and waste vegetable oil.  The rapeseed
> > >is pressed to extract the virgin oil for fuel. Then the soild remains
> > >from the pressing is mixed with waste vegetable oil and burned in a
> > >turbine.  In this way, the entire rapeseed is used to generate
> > >electricity.
> >
> >The rapeseed plant itself, not the seed but the rest of the plant, is
> >said to contain 13% oil, which people have said goes to "waste". It's
> >certainly not "waste" if the crop residues are ploughed back into the
> >soil to provide fertility for the next crop to grow. That's very much
> >a consideration for this technology as well, one that energy people
> >often forget, though that might not stop them using the "renewable"
> >and "sustainable" labels. It can be neither of those things if soil
> >fertility maintenance is not attended to first. That can't be done by
> >substituting chemicals for the crop residues and organic matter that
> >make humus - it doesn't work for one thing, and chemicalised
> >monocrops are heavily fossil-fuel dependant anyway, so the product
> >would hardly be sustainable, nor renewable.
> >
> >That said, the last 80 years have seen a revolution in crop-waste
> >recycling and fertility maintenance technology, and if it's done
> >properly a little can be made to go a very long way, especially if an
> >integrated approach is taken. But energy people often aren't very
> >good at that either. This can be done well, the whole operation, and
> >then this and other, similar, technologies can play a truly
> >beneficial role. Otherwise it's too likely to be the same old story
> >with problems concerning babies and bathwater and "unforeseen
> >side-effects" rearing their ugly heads when it's too late.
> >
> > >According to the interview, the technology could produce electricity for
> > >one thousand homes for one year using crops planted in an area of 1
> > >square mile (2.5 sq km).  Based on the rapeseed crops planted in the UK
> > >now, there is enough to supply five percent of the UK power needs.
> >
> >Rapeseed is currently an industrialised monocrop. There are other,
> >better, ways of doing this that could not only reduce the fossil-fuel
> >inputs, potentially to zero, but also make it a truly sustainable
> >production system, also with potentially a much broader product
> >range, and probably with improvements to those supply figures too,
> >especially from an eco-footprint point of view.
> >
> >You might find these earlier messages interesting:
> >
> >http://archiv 
>e.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/
> >How much fuel can we grow?
> >
> >http://archiv 
>e.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/
> >Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming
> >
> >Best wishes
> >
> >Keith



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[biofuel] Extending storage life of biodiesel

[eldenrice]

Anyone had any experience using some inert gas such as nitrogen to prevent 
oxidation of stored biodiesel? Perhaps some sort of oxygen absorber? If there 
isn't any oxygen in contact with the biodiesel perhaps it would increase 
storage 
life.How might this affect algae growth?

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[biofuel] help expose Fox 'News'

[Ross Cannon]

 Fox Newsâ Claim To Be ãFair and Balancedä Is Not Only a Lie,
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Tell the Federal Trade Commission to Stop Fox from Misleading the Public

Itâs bad enough that Fox News serves up biased ãnewsä day after day on
program after program. But itâs even worse that Fox advertises its news
as ãfair and balancedä when numerous studies have proven this wrong.
A group of organizations, including TrueMajority.org and led by
MoveOn.org, have devised a clever strategy to spotlight Foxâs deceptive
practices. Theyâve petitioned the Federal Trade Commission to declare
Foxâs ãFair and Balancedä motto false advertising.
Even if we lose our FTC case, this campaign will educate people about
Fox, which is arguably the right wingâs most effective propaganda tool.
So itâs important to dial up the citizen pressure on the Federal Trade
Commission.
If you want to register a formal complaint with the Federal Trade
Commission, asking it to declare Foxâs use of the phrase ãFair and
Balancedä as false advertising, and youâre a TrueMajority member, just
click here:
File My Federal Trade Commission Complaint Against Fox News!
Here's the complaint that we will send to the Federal Trade Commission in
your name:

"Fox News claims that its programs are ãfair and balanced,ä but study
after study has shown that they are biased. So it is clearly not in the
publicâs interest for Fox to be allowed to use the phrase ãfair and
balancedä to promote its programs. This is false advertising, plain and
simple.Though novel, this argument is no different than other cases that
the FTC considers regularly. You do not allow companies manufacturing
diet pills to advertise that their products will help consumers
miraculously lose weight, if this claim is proven wrong. Foxâs claim of
ãfair and balancedä has been proven wrong, and the ramifications go
beyond creating obesity to undermining the proper functioning of our
democracy. On behalf of public interest, the FTC should intervene."
Check out this video clip that MoveOn.org put together to show just how
fair and balanced Fox Newsâ Bill OâReilly is (click on the photo of
OâReilly on the right of the page): www.moveon.org/fox/
Click here to read MoveOn's complaint filed before the Federal Trade
Commission: http://cdn.moveon.org/content/pdfs/ftc_filing.pdf
Robert Greenwald has produced an excellent exposŽ of Fox Newsâ unfair and
unbalanced news coverage, and examines the dangers of ãever-enlarging
corporations taking control of the publicâs right to know.ä Order it at
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel

[Gregg Davidson]

Hi Tom,
 
I couldn't make sense of your post because of the way it came up. Are you 
comparing the prices for "dino" diesel & biodiesel? My reason for asking is 
that I live around 75 miles west of Atlanta GA, & I know that the price of 
"dino" diesel between home & work (Rockmart to Douglasville) $1.65 & $1.75 
(taxes included), & I am not aware of any
commercial distribution of biodiesel in my area. Also, gasoline ranges from 
$1.79 (regular) to $1.99 (premium) (taxes included) along my route as well.
 
Respectfully yours,
Gregg Davidson

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I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad.
People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the 
country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part.

Tom Leue


Latest update:7/22/04 
Note: No taxes included.  

LocalityB-100B-20B-2
Diesel 
Albany, NY$2.406  $1.403  $1.176  $1.151 
Atlanta, GA   $2.150  $1.337  $1.135  $1.112 
Baltimore, MD   $2.453  $1.380  $1.145  $1.117 
Boston, MA   $2.210  $1.311  $1.149  $1.132 
Burlington, VT   $2.150  $1.326  $1.154  $1.130 
Charleston, WV  $2.408  $1.412  $1.184  $1.159 
Columbia, SC   $2.449  $1.387  $1.139  $1.116 
Columbus, OH   $2.225  $1.305  $1.104  $1.083 
Des Moines, IA   $2.414  $1.369  $1.152  $1.127 
Dover, DE$2.150  $1.345  $1.161  $1.140 
Indianapolis, IN   $2.150  $1.279  $1.092  $1.072 
Jackson, MS   $2.030  $1.304  $1.138  $1.120 
Jacksonville, FL  $2.208  $1.354  $1.161  $1.140 
Little Rock, AR   $2.100  $1.317  $1.140  $1.120 
Louisville, KY   $2.050  $1.324  $1.158  $1.140 
Manchester, NH  $2.226  $1.373  $1.179  $1.157 
Miami, FL$2.100  $1.326  $1.151  $1.132 
Minneapolis, MN  $2.074  $1.392  $1.188  $1.170 
Nashville, TN   $2.150  $1.339  $1.138  $1.117 
New Orleans, LA  $2.400  $1.362  $1.126  $1.100 
Newark/NYC, NJ  $2.395  $1.394  $1.149  $1.124 
Philadelphia, PA  $2.100  $1.352  $1.150  $1.130 
Pittsburgh, PA   $2.452  $1.359  $1.163  $1.137 
Portland, ME   $2.078  $1.380  $1.176  $1.158 
Providence, RI   $2.184  $1.367  $1.161  $1.145 
Raleigh, NC   $2.178  $1.343  $1.139  $1.121 
Richmond, VA   $2.150  $1.348  $1.150  $1.126 
St. Louis, MO   $2.218  $1.353  $1.163  $1.141 
U.S. Average:   $2.224  $1.351  $1.151  $1.129 
 
Montreal, QC   $2.119  $1.426  $1.191  $1.167 
Ottawa, ON   $2.119  $1.437  $1.195  $1.181 
Toronto, ON   $2.119  $1.396  $1.224  $1.206 
Canada Average:  $2.119  $1.420  $1.203  $1.185 

Minimum:   $2.030
Local Average:  $2.221




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[biofuel] Movie review

[Ross Cannon]

 the acclaimed documentary
Frontiers of Dreams and Fears
 
"Offering a rare glimpse into one side of the Middle East conflict,
FRONTIERS OF DREAMS AND FEARS explores the lives of a group of
Palestinian
children growing up in refugee camps.
 
The film focuses on two teenage girls, Mona and Manar. Although living in
refugee camps miles apart, the girls manage to communicate and become
friends with each other despite the overwhelming barriers separating
them."
 
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty
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[biofuel] Fords & biodiesel

[Zac]

Hello,

I own a 1990 Ford 350 diesel van with a 7.3 liter engine, and I'm 
wondering if it can be run on biodiesel.  I thought I had read 
someplace that Ford engines use rubber in their injectors and 
injector pumps, which the methanol in biodiesel would dissolve.  My 
questions are:

1. Is this true?


2.  If it is true, if I distill most of the methanol out of it, 
would I avoid this problem?

3.  Is there anyone on this list who owns a Ford diesel who is 
running it on either biodiesel of veggie oil?

Thanks for your help,

Zac






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Re: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed

[Hakan Falk]

Keith,

I am not sure that rape seed is industrialized monocrop in Europe, most 
farms that I know of, grow it in a rotation scheme. I thought that the 
rotation schemes with resting periods, was a part of maintaining soil 
quality, but I am not an expert on this.

Hakan

At 06:42 24/07/2004, you wrote:
>Hello Rob
>
> >I heard an interesting story on the BBC World Service "Europe Today"
> >program broadcast on July 23.  They interviewed a spokesperson from a
> >British company with a patented technology to generate electrical power
> >from rapeseed oil and WVO.
> >
> >The process involves virgin oil and waste vegetable oil.  The rapeseed
> >is pressed to extract the virgin oil for fuel. Then the soild remains
> >from the pressing is mixed with waste vegetable oil and burned in a
> >turbine.  In this way, the entire rapeseed is used to generate
> >electricity.
>
>The rapeseed plant itself, not the seed but the rest of the plant, is
>said to contain 13% oil, which people have said goes to "waste". It's
>certainly not "waste" if the crop residues are ploughed back into the
>soil to provide fertility for the next crop to grow. That's very much
>a consideration for this technology as well, one that energy people
>often forget, though that might not stop them using the "renewable"
>and "sustainable" labels. It can be neither of those things if soil
>fertility maintenance is not attended to first. That can't be done by
>substituting chemicals for the crop residues and organic matter that
>make humus - it doesn't work for one thing, and chemicalised
>monocrops are heavily fossil-fuel dependant anyway, so the product
>would hardly be sustainable, nor renewable.
>
>That said, the last 80 years have seen a revolution in crop-waste
>recycling and fertility maintenance technology, and if it's done
>properly a little can be made to go a very long way, especially if an
>integrated approach is taken. But energy people often aren't very
>good at that either. This can be done well, the whole operation, and
>then this and other, similar, technologies can play a truly
>beneficial role. Otherwise it's too likely to be the same old story
>with problems concerning babies and bathwater and "unforeseen
>side-effects" rearing their ugly heads when it's too late.
>
> >According to the interview, the technology could produce electricity for
> >one thousand homes for one year using crops planted in an area of 1
> >square mile (2.5 sq km).  Based on the rapeseed crops planted in the UK
> >now, there is enough to supply five percent of the UK power needs.
>
>Rapeseed is currently an industrialised monocrop. There are other,
>better, ways of doing this that could not only reduce the fossil-fuel
>inputs, potentially to zero, but also make it a truly sustainable
>production system, also with potentially a much broader product
>range, and probably with improvements to those supply figures too,
>especially from an eco-footprint point of view.
>
>You might find these earlier messages interesting:
>
>http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/
>How much fuel can we grow?
>
>http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/
>Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith




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Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO as hydraulic fluid?

[Hakan Falk]

Sweden have for many years used vegetable oil replacement in the logging 
industry. This for both chain saw lubrication and hydraulic fluids. For 
chain saw it is normal SVO, but for hydraulic I think that the SVO is 
chemically treated. WVO is not used. The reason for this are strictly 
environmental and very compelling. Only the used of chain saw oil, that 
spills directly in nature, is comparable to a tanker disaster every year.

I have heard that fossil chain saw oil, is in many cases a recycled product 
from used oil.

Hakan


At 02:55 24/07/2004, you wrote:

>Has anyone looked in to using WVO or SVO as a replacement for hydraulic 
>fluid to be used in a tractor or log spitter?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Saul A. Juliao
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Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad

[Hakan Falk]

Yes, maybe that was an honest mistake. After all, they both start with 
Ira.. and are in the same neighborhood. If your world picture is that Spain 
is a republic, you might also have difficulties in identifying Iran and 
Iraq. Could be an explanation and mix up of "intelligent reports". Make 
sense, especially if you look at acquiring WMDs. The reports of the gassing 
of the Iraqi people, do mention that it could have been the Iranians who 
did it, since both Iran and Iraq was using chemical warfare in that 
neighborhood at the time of the incident.

Maybe if Bush get reelected, he get a chance to correct it and we will see 
four more years of destructive policies, US will be a complete basket case. 
If it happen, I will stop following all the American news. I do not have 
emotional energy enough to hear about Bush and his ventures. It will be 
better to pretend that US do not exist and start with golf or something 
similar. It might be a more healthier exercise alternative, than my 
interest in the exercise of human rights.

Hakan

At 16:36 23/07/2004, you wrote:
> > > At 07:26 23/07/2004, you wrote:
> > > Papa george and his eastern friends wrecked the independant oil men 
> so only
> > > ivy league types could continue their control.They are not "good ole' 
> boy" red
> > > necks or texans,but true counterfiets in every way.
>
>
> > Who cares, where is Texas? When his brother came to Spain, he talked about
> > the Republic of Spain, which then amused the Royals and the Spanish people.
> > For a year you could not turn on the TV, without hearing jokes about it and
> > it is still referred to, on occasions. I am sure that this is one of the
> > major reasons why people did not want to have troops in Iraq, they doubted
> > that Dubya and his brother did not even knew where that was.
> >
> > Hakan
>
>
>It seems the current U.S. Texan Administration
>should have had the troops in Iran, not Iraq.
>
>"In the 9-11 commission report they say that it
>was Iran ÷ not Iraq ÷ that was helping Al Qaeda.
>So apparently we invaded the wrong country because
>of a typo!" ÷David Letterman
>
>But when it comes to doing business:
>
>Cheney Lobbied to Ease Sanctions against
>Terrorist Countries as CEO of Halliburton [1995-2000]
>http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold07222004.html
> 
>
>"When Bush and Cheney were sworn into office in 2001 the
>administration decided it would not punish foreign oil and
>gas companies that invest in Iran or other countries that
>sponsor terrorism, including Syria and Libya.
>The sanctions imposed on countries such as Iran and Libya
>before were blasted by Cheney before he became vice president,
>despite claims that those countries may have ties to terrorism."
>
>It apparently didn't stop Dick Cheney's Texas based company,
>Halliburton, from doing business with them, even though --
>
>"The Clinton administration said U.S. companies conducting
>business in Iran may be inadvertently helping fund terrorist
>activities in that country."




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Re: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed

[Keith Addison]

Hello Rob

>I heard an interesting story on the BBC World Service "Europe Today"
>program broadcast on July 23.  They interviewed a spokesperson from a
>British company with a patented technology to generate electrical power
>from rapeseed oil and WVO.
>
>The process involves virgin oil and waste vegetable oil.  The rapeseed
>is pressed to extract the virgin oil for fuel. Then the soild remains
>from the pressing is mixed with waste vegetable oil and burned in a
>turbine.  In this way, the entire rapeseed is used to generate
>electricity.

The rapeseed plant itself, not the seed but the rest of the plant, is 
said to contain 13% oil, which people have said goes to "waste". It's 
certainly not "waste" if the crop residues are ploughed back into the 
soil to provide fertility for the next crop to grow. That's very much 
a consideration for this technology as well, one that energy people 
often forget, though that might not stop them using the "renewable" 
and "sustainable" labels. It can be neither of those things if soil 
fertility maintenance is not attended to first. That can't be done by 
substituting chemicals for the crop residues and organic matter that 
make humus - it doesn't work for one thing, and chemicalised 
monocrops are heavily fossil-fuel dependant anyway, so the product 
would hardly be sustainable, nor renewable.

That said, the last 80 years have seen a revolution in crop-waste 
recycling and fertility maintenance technology, and if it's done 
properly a little can be made to go a very long way, especially if an 
integrated approach is taken. But energy people often aren't very 
good at that either. This can be done well, the whole operation, and 
then this and other, similar, technologies can play a truly 
beneficial role. Otherwise it's too likely to be the same old story 
with problems concerning babies and bathwater and "unforeseen 
side-effects" rearing their ugly heads when it's too late.

>According to the interview, the technology could produce electricity for
>one thousand homes for one year using crops planted in an area of 1
>square mile (2.5 sq km).  Based on the rapeseed crops planted in the UK
>now, there is enough to supply five percent of the UK power needs.

Rapeseed is currently an industrialised monocrop. There are other, 
better, ways of doing this that could not only reduce the fossil-fuel 
inputs, potentially to zero, but also make it a truly sustainable 
production system, also with potentially a much broader product 
range, and probably with improvements to those supply figures too, 
especially from an eco-footprint point of view.

You might find these earlier messages interesting:

http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/
How much fuel can we grow?

http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/
Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming

Best wishes

Keith


>The article did not appear on their web site, but perhaps it will be
>available later at:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/europe/europetoday/index.shtml
>
>best regards,
> rob



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[biofuel] How Do You Figure Ethanol Octane?

[Terry Wilhelm]

Does anyone know of an equation for figuring the octane levels in different 
proofs of alcohol?

Thanks

 



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Re: [biofuel] which one is good for biodiesel

[Keith Addison]

Hello Rakesh

>Hi Guys,
>
>I want to do farming for bio-diesel in USA, which plant is the best 
>suited for it? Hemp or Soyabean or something else?
>
>Can Jatropha be planted on USA? Is Jatropha better or hemp better? 
>Could you point to a resource where I can find this kind of info.?

It's the wrong question, IMO. Unless you want to use industrialised 
farming methods, there simply is no "best" crop. If you do want to 
play the industrialised farming game, you'll have to do it in a big 
way if you want to be at the small end that "benefits" (according to 
the bottom line anyway) rather than the big end that doesn't. You 
should also consider that the so-called "economies of scale" don't 
apply to farming, smaller farms are everywhere more efficient, and 
the less "industrialised" they are the more efficient they are.

Anyway, the main thing about biodiesel is that it's a renewable fuel 
- but obviously it isn't a renewable fuel unless the oil crops it 
comes from are grown sustainably. The silly thing about 
industrialized monocropping of biofuels crops is that it's just as 
fossil-fuel-dependent as industrialized monocropping of anything else 
is. What sort of sustainable biofuel is that? There's nothing 
sustainable about it.

The "best" crop might not be the one that's said to have the highest 
yield. There's much more to it than just yield. In fact there's much 
more to yields too than just the bare yield figures. Of course it 
depends primarily on the local climate and land conditions, but more 
than that it depends on a rational cropping SYSTEM, which must 
inevitably use a variety of crops, accomplishing different purposes 
and producing different products, as well as different by-products, 
grown in combination and succession, and, essentially, closely 
integrated with livestock production, again with a variety of 
livestock, as well as, preferably, integration of both of those with 
tree crops, again with a variety of trees.

 From this apparently complex and changing pattern you could derive a 
constant yield of oil (and much besides) from a variety of crops and 
crop-wastes, as well as on-farm ethanol feedstock, biomass for 
energy, feedstock for biodigesters, and everything you'd need to make 
your farm energy-independent as well as a net energy exporter, of 
biodiesel among other things.

You can learn much more about all this here:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm.html
Small farms

Or you could just do it badly and spend your time chasing after an 
ever-dwindling bottom-line. In which case you'll find yield tables 
here:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journey to Forever

Pick the highest number and check with the US DoA or something to see 
if it can be monocropped where you want to farm, and also for what 
subsidies might be available.

Best wishes

Keith


>thanks,
>
>rakesh



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Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad

[MH]

> > At 07:26 23/07/2004, you wrote:
> > Papa george and his eastern friends wrecked the independant oil men so only
> > ivy league types could continue their control.They are not "good ole' boy" 
> > red
> > necks or texans,but true counterfiets in every way.


> Who cares, where is Texas? When his brother came to Spain, he talked about
> the Republic of Spain, which then amused the Royals and the Spanish people.
> For a year you could not turn on the TV, without hearing jokes about it and
> it is still referred to, on occasions. I am sure that this is one of the
> major reasons why people did not want to have troops in Iraq, they doubted
> that Dubya and his brother did not even knew where that was.
> 
> Hakan


 It seems the current U.S. Texan Administration
 should have had the troops in Iran, not Iraq. 

 "In the 9-11 commission report they say that it
 was Iran ÷ not Iraq ÷ that was helping Al Qaeda.
 So apparently we invaded the wrong country because
 of a typo!" ÷David Letterman

 But when it comes to doing business: 

 Cheney Lobbied to Ease Sanctions against
 Terrorist Countries as CEO of Halliburton [1995-2000] 
 http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold07222004.html 
   "When Bush and Cheney were sworn into office in 2001 the
 administration decided it would not punish foreign oil and
 gas companies that invest in Iran or other countries that
 sponsor terrorism, including Syria and Libya.
   The sanctions imposed on countries such as Iran and Libya
 before were blasted by Cheney before he became vice president,
 despite claims that those countries may have ties to terrorism." 

 It apparently didn't stop Dick Cheney's Texas based company,
 Halliburton, from doing business with them, even though -- 

 "The Clinton administration said U.S. companies conducting
 business in Iran may be inadvertently helping fund terrorist
 activities in that country."



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[biofuel] which one is good for biodiesel

[Rakesh Singh]

Hi Guys,

I want to do farming for bio-diesel in USA, which plant is the best suited for 
it? Hemp or Soyabean or something else?

Can Jatropha be planted on USA? Is Jatropha better or hemp better?  Could you 
point to a resource where I can find this kind of info.?

thanks,

rakesh

 

 

 



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RE: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]

[Bryan Brah]

What are you talking about martin?  And what's up with putting rico in
scare quotes?  I t seems to me that his comments were referring to Bush
and Bush II, not Kim and Garth.  Even so, I don't see what's offensive
about rico's statement?

 

-BRAH

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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]

 



rico suavae wrote:
> Pretty good for a couple of Texans.Which one had the crayon?
> Yankee Boy Rico
> 
> Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This thread needs to stop right here. Keith, sorry for playing moderator

here but I know you will agree that personal attacks are completely 
useless to any discussion group.
"rico", You are allowed to disagree with what Kim/Garth said but you are

not allowed to make rude comments about them.

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[biofuel] Re: WVO as hydraulic fluid?

[Saul Juliao]

Has anyone looked in to using WVO or SVO as a replacement for hydraulic fluid 
to be used in a tractor or log spitter?

Thanks,

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[biofuel] Re: Pneumatic Exhaust Silencers: Bubble washing

[kkeennbb]

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello kkeennbb, welcome
> 
> Are you making biodiesel, or planning to? Wasn't it WVO for your 
> Mercedes you're interested in? Or both?

Just WVO for now.   It's good to bubble wash WVO before using it,
right  I also plan to filter it throughly.
> 
> >Ian Jackson
> 
> I'm interested to know how you know his name. Ian didn't want to be 
> spammed and asked us not to use his name. It isn't on his processor 
> page at our website, nor at the other sites that feature his 
> processor, that I know of. I can think of a way of finding out, but 
> I've never known anyone do it that way.
> 

I apologize to Ian.  I'v already asked the moderator to edit my
message and remove the last name, but it's too late, the messages are
already out.  Again, I apologize.  

I got his name from the bottom of a picture if his processor on a web
site. (Not journeytoforever.org)  I can get the address for you if you
need.   Should we do that via email off this discusion?  Let me know.

> >had a good recommendation regarding washing his
> >biodiesel.  He used pneumatic exhaust silencers to bubble wash
> >the biodiesel.
> 
> That's here:
> 
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor2.html
> Ian's vacuum biodiesel processor: Journey to Forever
> 
> Down towards the end of the page.
> 
> >Does anyone know what size silencer he uses? They come in about 4 or
> >5 different sizes.
> >
> >I tried to figure it out from his pictures, but I didn't have much to
> >reference.
> 
> Probably it doesn't matter. Would your wash tank be the same size as 
> his wash tank? Would your pump be the same power as his? He uses 
> three of them, in a 55-gal (US) drum. The srength of the pump matters 
> more than the size of the bubbler. Why not just buy one, whatever 
> size you think best, if it's not strong enough get another one and 
> use two, if it's too strong get a smaller one - though I don't know 
> what "too strong" means, probably that you're having emulsification 
> problems and should improve your processing. This is the test:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
> 

Thanks, that makes sense.  All I need to worry about is
emulsivication.  If I don't get that, I must be doing it OK. 


> Best wishes
> 
> Keith Addison
> Journey to Forever




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[biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel

[Tilapia]

I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad.
People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the 
country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part.

Tom Leue


 Latest update:7/22/04 
Note: No taxes included.  

LocalityB-100B-20B-2
Diesel 
Albany, NY$2.406  $1.403  $1.176  $1.151 
Atlanta, GA   $2.150  $1.337  $1.135  $1.112 
Baltimore, MD   $2.453  $1.380  $1.145  $1.117 
Boston, MA   $2.210  $1.311  $1.149  $1.132 
Burlington, VT   $2.150  $1.326  $1.154  $1.130 
Charleston, WV  $2.408  $1.412  $1.184  $1.159 
Columbia, SC   $2.449  $1.387  $1.139  $1.116 
Columbus, OH   $2.225  $1.305  $1.104  $1.083 
Des Moines, IA   $2.414  $1.369  $1.152  $1.127 
Dover, DE$2.150  $1.345  $1.161  $1.140 
Indianapolis, IN   $2.150  $1.279  $1.092  $1.072 
Jackson, MS   $2.030  $1.304  $1.138  $1.120 
Jacksonville, FL  $2.208  $1.354  $1.161  $1.140 
Little Rock, AR   $2.100  $1.317  $1.140  $1.120 
Louisville, KY   $2.050  $1.324  $1.158  $1.140 
Manchester, NH  $2.226  $1.373  $1.179  $1.157 
Miami, FL$2.100  $1.326  $1.151  $1.132 
Minneapolis, MN  $2.074  $1.392  $1.188  $1.170 
Nashville, TN   $2.150  $1.339  $1.138  $1.117 
New Orleans, LA  $2.400  $1.362  $1.126  $1.100 
Newark/NYC, NJ  $2.395  $1.394  $1.149  $1.124 
Philadelphia, PA  $2.100  $1.352  $1.150  $1.130 
Pittsburgh, PA   $2.452  $1.359  $1.163  $1.137 
Portland, ME   $2.078  $1.380  $1.176  $1.158 
Providence, RI   $2.184  $1.367  $1.161  $1.145 
Raleigh, NC   $2.178  $1.343  $1.139  $1.121 
Richmond, VA   $2.150  $1.348  $1.150  $1.126 
St. Louis, MO   $2.218  $1.353  $1.163  $1.141 
U.S. Average:   $2.224  $1.351  $1.151  $1.129 
 
Montreal, QC   $2.119  $1.426  $1.191  $1.167 
Ottawa, ON   $2.119  $1.437  $1.195  $1.181 
Toronto, ON   $2.119  $1.396  $1.224  $1.206 
Canada Average:  $2.119  $1.420  $1.203  $1.185 

Minimum:   $2.030
Local Average:  $2.221




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[biofuel] Wonders never cease: The White House and biodiesel!

[Tilapia]

Here is a news flash that might be of interest.
Tom Leue

Cheney Confirms Need For Biodiesel Incentive
President Also Expresses Support For Biodiesel

>From Alternative Fuels Index
July 22, 2004 Volume 2 Issue 28


The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) and the American Soybean Association
(ASA) commended Vice President Cheney, who spearheaded the President’s Energy
Taskforce, for stressing the importance of passing legislation with a 
biodiesel
tax incentive to help diversify America’s energy supply. The groups also 
called for
action in pushing Congress to pass the incentive. Speaking July 19 in 
Columbia,
Mo., near NBB headquarters, Cheney expressed support for the biodiesel tax 
incentive
while discussing the importance of the Energy Bill, which has stalled in
Congress.
“That bill includes within it significant incentives for biodiesel and 
ethanol,”
he said. “It's very important, we think, to go down that road because it will 
help
us to diversify our supplies, but it also will reduce the extent to which 
we're dependent
on foreign sources of oil for our basic transportation. It's a very good
piece of legislation. We need to get it done.” Biodiesel is a cleaner burning 
alternative
to petroleum-based diesel, and it is made primarily from soybeans that are
grown in the United States. Securing passage of a biodiesel tax incentive is 
the
top legislative priority of ASA and NBB. Due in large part to the efforts of 
U.S.
Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) and others, a bio-
diesel tax incentive was included in the final Energy Bill. It is a federal 
excise tax credit that amounts to
one penny per percentage point of biodiesel blended with petroleum diesel. 
The biodiesel tax incentive
was also included in the Senate-passed Transportation Bill and legislation 
approved by the Senate to
repeal the Foreign Sales Corporation and Extraterritorial Income (FSC/ETI) 
tax exclusion.
President Bush also expressed his continued support for biodiesel while 
speaking to a crowd in
Cedar Rapids, Iowa on July 20. “In order to make sure we continue to grow, we 
need sensible energy
policy in America,” Bush said. “…any reasonable energy policy is to 
encourage research and development
to make sure we can use ethanol better and biodiesel better. It makes sense…
.we can do things
in environmentally friendly ways that we couldn't do 20 years ago. For the 
sake of national security and
economic security, we need to be developing the resources we have here at
home to become less dependent on foreign sources of energy.”
NBB Chairman and ASA First-Vice President Bob Metz, a South Dakota
soybean farmer, said the biodiesel tax incentive has had strong bipartisan
support at the Congressional level because it is a win for all Americans.
“It is very gratifying to hear Vice President Cheney say so clearly that
there is support for the biodiesel tax incentive at the Executive level, and 
to
hear President Bush say he supports biodiesel,” he said. “Now is the time 
for
them to use their leadership to get this through. We thank the Vice President
for successfully brokering the Energy Bill last time, but we need him to 
continue
to fight for this.”
“We applaud President Bush and Vice President Cheney for highlighting
the important role biodiesel plays in our nation’s fuel mix,” said ASA
President Neal Bredehoeft from his farm in Alma, Missouri. “With support
from ag-state members on both sides of the political aisle in Congress and
from the Executive Branch, we need the Congress to pass a biodiesel tax 
incentive
this year.




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Homestead Inc.
www.yellowbiodiesel.com



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