Re: [Biofuel] centrifuging To Jan Lieuwe
Ik zal hier en daar eens vragen. JLB - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] centrifuging To Jan Lieuwe Hoi Jan, Weet jij waar zo'n centrifuge te koop is en evt. prijsindicatie ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] centrifuging I know small centrifuges were used on farms over here in the Netherlands to make cheese and butter etc., maybe this is a entry. Jan Lieuwe Bolding - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] centrifuging Does anyone out there use a small continuous-flow centrifuge at all? I have been thinking for a while that one could probably do well for cleaning up waste oil. Spin out particulates and water with no filtration medium. I have seen oil/water separators, and other centrifugal devices, like those used to clean cutting/cooling fluids down to 1 micronand seems like a good way to clean SVO. The only drawback seems to be finding on that is small. Any thoughts? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op?
what processor would be the best to work on. Most processors are nothing special. You'll want to choose either mechanical or pump agitation. The system should be closed to prevent methanol vapor release. All motors should be at minimum TEFC. No open flames in the vicinity, such as natural gas or propane heat. A po' man's boiler and heat exchange loop works well if either of these are your process heat source. For washing, mechanical agitation is quick. This can be done in a series of poly drums. You'll need a pump transfer system. Bailing wire, chewing gum and duct tape usually help hold it all together. Just kidding. Be sensible as to how you bolt everything together. Leaks are a pain, as well as unimpressive come time for show-and-tell. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op? i'm hopfully going to be building a biodiesel processor for my campus this weekend. i go to school at guilford college in greensboro, nc and several of us are in the process of starting a biodiesel co-op here. i'm wondering what processor would be the best to work on. i'd like to be able to have about a 40-50 gallon capacity. thanks james ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Japan GHG Emissions
... which sounds the death knell for the ill-advised DieselNo! campaign initiated by Tokyo's foolish rightwing mayor Ishihara as a cheap vote-catcher, and since spread to other centres. And it ushers in an extra edge for biodiesel, being carbon neutral. Some of our friends have used biodiesel and catalytic converters to outwit the DieselNo! campaign restrictions - oops, no emissions, or well within the limits anyway, so they now happily drive their diesels in the restricted areas. The only problem is that the owner is required to pay for the emissions tests, and it's expensive, something like $3,000, ridiculous. Diesels are held guilty until proven innocent, at your expense, not the authorities'. That will change too. We'll help it to change when the time comes. (...) $3,000 ! The full compulsory security control for cars in France, including emission test (opacity - particles, CO, CO2, SO2) is less than 45 ! And a good result at the emission test is very easy to get, even with an old smoky car: you can buy special fuel additives in every supermarket that enhance carburation efficiency and clean the engine up just the time you need. I failed to the emission test with a diesel car fueled with a mix of about 20% of full sunflower oil (and 100% veg.oil the month before). I still have doubts on the reliability of the usual control in my case. I didn't want to cheat but the tip has been to add the magic additive and run the engine with very high rpm for a while before trying again. If you don't pass the test, and get the legal sticker for your windshield, you may pay a very expensive fee. Few years ago, a green minister of environment installed a system of green sticker for motor vehicles in France. In case of hight rates of ozon inside cities, only the vehicles with green stickers are allowed to drive inside city limits. All diesel cars are excluded of getting the green passport. But the exceptions to the rule are so large, that this decision is obviously not effective. Down GHG emissions must not be a goal that can allow everything. In France, the nuclear lobby use this argument to force the choice of building new nuclear power plants and promote electricity for any purpose, including individual transportations. So there is no more money for research or help for alternatives energies, and other bad effects... FD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Reply and agreed: [Biofuel] Water in Diesel Combustion
Readers, Keith is so right when he sent Water in Diesel Combustion As a matter of fact during WWII many of the high performance warplanes (on all sides!) used water injection as a way to increase combustion performance. Regarding street vehicles, There is a guy (professor)in New Zealand and/or Australia who makes an after-market water injection componant for high performance vehicles involved in racing. Finally, during my days in the petroleum industry (ChevronTexaco) on of our groups test marketed Proformix (it uses Lubrizol's PuriNox technology) for commercial markets. This was in 2000. The problem is one of distribution and how to get the water based diesel to the end user. There is a cost premium and might be some performance tweaking needed when tuning the vehicle. But it certainly reduces key air pollutants and I think is the key. The french oil company Total sells for years a diesel fuel called aquazole, with 14% water. http://www.aquazole.com/en/index.htm Several bus lines use it in Paris and trucks through Europe frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Reply and agreed: [Biofuel] Water in Diesel Combustion
Frantz, Je vodrais aquazole! Je vais paris! I visited Paris and recognized the buses. Yes, I also think they are in Spain too. Je vodrais aquazole! PWolfe --- F. Desprez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phillip Wolfe a écrit : Readers, Keith is so right when he sent Water in Diesel Combustion As a matter of fact during WWII many of the high performance warplanes (on all sides!) used water injection as a way to increase combustion performance. Regarding street vehicles, There is a guy (professor)in New Zealand and/or Australia who makes an after-market water injection componant for high performance vehicles involved in racing. Finally, during my days in the petroleum industry (ChevronTexaco) on of our groups test marketed Proformix (it uses Lubrizol's PuriNox technology) for commercial markets. This was in 2000. The problem is one of distribution and how to get the water based diesel to the end user. There is a cost premium and might be some performance tweaking needed when tuning the vehicle. But it certainly reduces key air pollutants and I think is the key. The french oil company Total sells for years a diesel fuel called aquazole, with 14% water. http://www.aquazole.com/en/index.htm Several bus lines use it in Paris and trucks through Europe frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] ETHANOL USE IN DIESEL ENGINES and patents
May be of interest (again): P. Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: ETHANOL USE IN DIESEL ENGINES I know of using mixtures of ethanol with veg oil for diesel engines, there are some patents on it. Here you can read about the mixture of castor oil and alcohol at the United States Patent Office online: http://www.uspto.gov Search can be made by number, subject(s), etc. -- United States Patent 4,929,252 Brillhart May 29, 1990 Fuel Abstract Castor oil extended by addition of an alcohol and water, the mixture then being essentially immune to phase separation or haziness or inadvertent addition of extra water contamination, of a pH range of about 4-121/2 and having a flash point above the United States government regulation permitting the fuel to be shipped interstate as an oil rather than as a volatile solvent or fuel. ** Another patent is about using a microemulsion of veg oil and ethanol about half and half with a surfactant. United States Patent 4,451,267 Schwab , et al.May 29, 1984 Microemulsions from vegetable oil and aqueous alcohol with trialkylamine surfactant as alternative fuel for diesel engines Abstract Hybrid fuel microemulsions are prepared from vegetable oil, a C.sub.1 -C.sub.3 alcohol, water, and a surfactant comprising a lower trialkylamine. For enhanced water tolerance by the fuel, the amine is reacted with a long-chain fatty acid for conversion to the corresponding trialkylammonium soap. Optionally, 1-butanol is incorporated into the system as a cosurfactant for the purpose of lowering both the viscosity and the solidification temperature * There is another one on a veg oil mixed with absolute ethanol but it needs a ketone to keep the mixture from separation in 2 phases of a vegetal oil and ethanol, the fuel is maily the veg oil and the ethanol is used as a thinner with a phase stabilizer. - United States Patent 4,397,655 Sweeney August 9, 1983 Novel process for preparing diesel fuel Abstract A vegetable oil such as soy bean oil, extended by addition of ethanol, may be stabilized against phase separation or haziness in the event of water contamination at pH below 7 by addition thereto of additives such as 2,2-dimethoxy propane. A word of caution: There are some Injection Pumps that are lubricated by the engine oil and others relay on the lubricating properties of the fuel.If you are going to use ethanol make shure there is more than enough lubrication for the IP at any engine's working temperature. I hope this data helps. Regards. Juan -Mensaje original- De: CONTACTOS MUNDIALES [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Martes 16 de Noviembre de 2004 9:51 AM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Biofuel] Re: ETHANOL USE IN DIESEL ENGINES A message to the Forum: Ethanol has proved its worth as a neat fuel for spark ingnited engines. Brazil boasts around 4 million vehicles that run on 100% ethanol. To further prove the reliability of neat ethanol engines, Embraer in Brazil will put in service within a few months its Ipanema aircraft that will feature an ethanol engine that will increase its power by 5% over the counterpart gasoline engine, while saving 66% in energy costs, besides lowering the maintenance costs. However, using ethanol in diesel engines poses a different set of problems and challenges. I wonder if anyone in the Forum can cite cases of diesel engine conversions and/or give some sugestions to that effect. EPA claims that ethanol is a more efficient fuel than gasoline and diesel In both spark-ignited and compression-ignited engines, besides being a cleaner and a cheaper fuel. Many thanks in advance for your input. Luis R. Calzadilla Fundacion Sugar Cane Resesearch Organization Cali, Colombia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
The Danger of American Fascism provide by HEART http://www.heart-intl.net Editor's Note | This story ran in the New York Times in 1944. Draw your own conclusions and compare Henry Wallace's analysis to the situation we find ourselves in today. By Henry A. Wallace The New York Times From Henry A. Wallace, Democracy Reborn (New York, 1944), edited by Russell Lord, p. 259. Sunday 09 April 1944 On returning from my trip to the West in February, I received a request from The New York Times to write a piece answering the following questions: What is a fascist? How many fascists have we? How dangerous are they? A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends. The supreme god of a fascist, to which his ends are directed, may be money or power; may be a race or a class; may be a military, clique or an economic group; or may be a culture, religion, or a political party. The perfect type of fascist throughout recent centuries has been the Prussian Junker, who developed such hatred for other races and such allegiance to a military clique as to make him willing at all times to engage in any degree of deceit and violence necessary to place his culture and race astride the world. In every big nation of the world are at least a few people who have the fascist temperament. Every Jew-baiter, every Catholic hater, is a fascist at heart. The hoodlums who have been desecrating churches, cathedrals and synagogues in some of our larger cities are ripe material for fascist leadership. The obvious types of American fascists are dealt with on the air and in the press. These demagogues and stooges are fronts for others. Dangerous as these people may be, they are not so significant as thousands of other people who have never been mentioned. The really dangerous American fascists are not those who are hooked up directly or indirectly with the Axis. The FBI has its finger on those. The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power. If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. Most American fascists are enthusiastically supporting the war effort. They are doing this even in those cases where they hope to have profitable connections with German chemical firms after the war ends. They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead. American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery. The European brand of fascism will probably present its most serious postwar threat to us via Latin America. The effect of the war has been to raise the cost of living in most Latin American countries much faster than the wages of labor. The fascists in most Latin American countries tell the people that the reason their wages will not buy as much in the way of goods is because of Yankee imperialism. The fascists in Latin America learn to speak and act like natives. Our chemical and other manufacturing concerns are all too often ready to let the Germans have Latin American markets, provided the American companies can work out an arrangement which will enable them to charge high prices to the consumer inside the United States. Following this war, technology will have reached such a point that it will be possible for Germans, using South America as a base, to cause us much more difficulty in World War III than they did in World War II. The military and landowning cliques in many South American countries will find it attractive financially to work with German fascist concerns as well as expedient from the standpoint of temporary power politics. Fascism is a worldwide disease. Its greatest threat to the United States will come after the war, either via Latin America or within the United States itself. Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which
Re: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
It is always the one true faith against the world. If you think Christianity has a corner on this market you aren't looking very hard. Threatening hellfire is one way, Islam threatens the sword for nonbelievers. Israel/Palestine is a holy war is it not? As long as a religion has us/them it will end with blood. Love one another as you would love yourself. Seems most would rather die first. :( Kirk --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nazism And Christian Conservatism By Joseph Kellard America is moving toward a Nazi form of totalitarianism, Dr. Leonard Peikoff writes in his book The Ominous Parallels. It has been doing this for decades. It has been doing so gradually, by default, and for the most part unknowingly, but it is doing so systematically and without significant opposition. For many decades now Christian conservatives have been relentlessly preaching that secularism has caused America's decay and therefore its salvation lies in the fostering of faith in God, religious morality, and family values. Unknowingly, they've been propagating sentiments that ominously parallel Adolf Hitler's. As a means to manipulate others and gain total control of Germany, Hitler agreed with both his liberal peers who demanded state control of economics and the redistribution of men's income, as well as his conservative peers who demanded state control over men's intellect and bodies. In Freethought Today, a newspaper published by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Richard E. Smith provides one of Hitler's many appeals to Christianity: During his February 1, 1933, radio speech, 'Proclamation to German People' Hitler began by saying 'the Almighty has withheld his blessing from our people' since the loss of World War I in November 1918. Beginning with the family, he went on to pledge a fostering of 'Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of racial and political life.' He went on to make a pious appeal (prayer) for God's blessing on the work. . Often today, Mr. Smith writes, the word holocaust is used by those against abortion [i.e., Christian conservatives]. This of course conjures up images of the slaughter of Jews and others (one group frequently overlooked in the killing are atheists) during World War II. Adolf Hitler, in Mein Kampf, made plain his Catholic feelings on abortion. 'I'll put an end to the idea that a woman's body belongs to her...Nazi ideals demand that the practice of abortion shall be exterminated with strong hand.' Hitler sentenced so-called Aryan women who had abortions to hard labor after the first offense, to death after the second. (Some Christian conservatives suggest that a woman should be sentenced to death after her first abortion) Leonard Peikoff writes: Religious writers often claim that the cause of Nazism is the secularism or the scientific spirit of the modern world. This evades the facts that the Germans at the time, especially in Prussia, were one of the most religious peoples in Western Europe; that the Weimer Republic was a hotbed of mystic cults, of which Nazism was one; and that Germany's largest and most devout religious group, the Lutherans, counted themselves among Hitler's staunchest followers. By upholding faith in God, religion and family as America's foundation, and using these ideals as the basis for certain actions, such as requiring prayer and allowing the posting of the Ten Commandments in certain public institutions, the Christian conservatives are helping to erode this country's essential foundation: the secularism of reason, egoism and individualism the primary values Hitler had to suffocate in order to gain dictatorial control of a nation and perpetrate his evils. _ [W]hether advanced as a form of or successor to Christianity, what Nazism did unfailingly demand of its followers was the essence of the religious mentality: an attitude of awed, submissive, faithful adoration. Leonard Peikoff Nazism And Christian Conservatism By Joseph Kellard _ _ All material copyright © 1997 by Axiom 3. All rights reserved. _ _ _
Re: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op?
? ROFFLMAO! Three times over...!! Thanks for the chuckle. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op? hey guys dont beat yourself up i'm and old hippy and have been hangin out for many years.(food operator) carnvial guy the best way and the most simplest way is filiteration i tryed the five gal processer i drew a blank.. but have been doing ok with 50/50 on an 81 diesel rabbit start small and invite all of who see the light i have a small resturant and have securited a 60 gal a week just with 6 0r 7 other operator i have told many people in the pass CARVINALS ARE GREAT PLACES TO GET PLENTY OF OIL THE LAST DAY THERE AND BRING PLENTY OF CONTAINERS WELL GOT TO GO THE NAME IS PING ALWAYS INTERESTED IN MEETIN FOLKS GOLD BLESS AMERICA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
Hallo Kirk, Wednesday, 17 November, 2004, 21:37:44, you wrote: KM It is always the one true faith against the world. If KM you think Christianity has a corner on this market you KM aren't looking very hard. Threatening hellfire is one KM way, Islam threatens the sword for nonbelievers. KM Israel/Palestine is a holy war is it not? KM As long as a religion has us/them it will end with KM blood. KM Love one another as you would love yourself. Seems KM most would rather die first. KM :( KM Kirk Please let us be clear on this. It is NOT religion which is the problem it is ORGANIZED religion. Organized religion is about power and control. Religion is personal between the believer and whatever that believer holds as their God/gods/whatever one wishes to call it. That which is worshipped has the authority in religion. In organized religion there is a lot of mouthing about God being the authority but in fact the church heirarchy and their interpretation of any holy texts or belief systems is where the actual authority lies. They claim ownership of the franchise and thereby own God. What you are really talking about is not religion but creed. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] What are the BTUs if used as Home Heating Oil
and how much per gallon if at 50% with #1 Diesel. Thank You for your help been thing about using it in my oil furnace, would I have to change my Burner tip. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] WVO Weight
Does anyone have any estimate on what WVO weighs average? I am trying to see how much a truck would carry. Thanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Students Brew Up Own Biodiesel
UI grad students brew up own fuel By GREG KLINE THE NEWS-GAZETTE Nov 14, 2004 http://www.news-gazette.com/story.cfm?Number=17122 [photo] OK, there are certain disadvantages, like the social stigma when a friend or acquaintance sees you sucking grease from a restaurant Dumpster, Larry Larson joked recently. And Tim Richmond's Champaign neighbors sometimes kid him about the meth lab he operates in his garage. At least the cops haven't shown up yet. If they did, they would find that the still which Richmond and fellow University of Illinois chemistry graduate student Cory Scanlan have made out of an old water heater isn't producing methamphetamine, or even moonshine. It's making fuel for their cars. Biodiesel to be exact, refined from that nasty old restaurant grease and capable of powering pretty much any diesel-engine vehicle with little or no modifications. (Older vehicles may need to have rubber hoses replaced with synthetic because biodiesel erodes the former.) That it works shouldn't be all that surprising. Rudolph Diesel, whose invention bears his name, originally conceived of his engine running on vegetable oil. Abundant, cheap and efficient petroleum pushed the idea to the side. Richmond and Scanlan both use homemade biodiesel in unmodified diesel Volkswagens. Larson of Urbana has two diesel Volkswagens and a diesel Mercedes. Larson started out buying commercially produced biodiesel in Rantoul or Bloomington. The three don't know of any other home brewers around here, however, although it isn't unusual in some places, notably California. Larson started doing it this spring. I'm a very curious person, and I like being in on things that are innovative and a lot of people don't know about, he said. Richmond, a diesel vehicle adherent, got Scanlan involved. They made their first batch in August. The Web provided directions and recipes. Being a chemist made it a little easier to get into it, Richmond said. But anybody can do it. At the UI, he and Scanlan actually study the chemistry of the brain, but they understand the chemistry involved in making biodiesel. Essentially, Scalan said, the grease they process is made up of units of glycerin ö fat ö connected to burnable hydrocarbons, the basis of gasoline and regular diesel fuels. The trick is to break off the hydrocarbons and get rid of the glycerin. To do that, they mix about 40 gallons of grease with 8 gallons of methanol, an alcohol they generally buy from a Charleston dealer who sells it to race drivers as fuel. Two cans of lye go in as well. They heat the mixture at 130 degrees [F] in the water heater's tank and let it sit, normally overnight. If all goes as planned, the fuel rises to the top where it can be pumped off, and the fat sinks to the bottom. The fuel then gets pumped into a barrel and sprayed with a fine mist, almost a fog, of water, which sinks through it, further removing impurities on the way. Finally, it's pumped into gas can-like containers for pouring into a vehicle. The process takes about three hours of concerted effort. Richmond and Scanlan make 40-gallon batches, which in a fuel-efficient Volkswagen can last them a month. In some engines, there can be a slight decrease in fuel economy and power. On the other hand, pure biodiesel, unlike petroleum-based fuels, doesn't leave any deposits, and it lubricates better, which may extend engine life. Larson said the biodiesel-making process requires some caution ö methanol and lye are toxic ö but not much more than filling your lawn mower with gasoline. We wear gloves and masks, Scanlan said. Just the paper ones, paper masks. The glycerin byproduct can be used to make soap and candles or simply composted. It's also a good degreaser, and they sometimes trade it for methanol. Richmond asked around at his church, and someone gave him the water heater, which had been damaged. The other components of the system are available at Farm Fleet or any hardware store. Their restaurant sources give them the old grease, as long as they're willing to come get it. Our cost comes out to like 50 cents a gallon, Larson said. Statewide, the average price for a gallon of diesel was $2.23 last month, according to the state's fuel prices monitoring system. The average for regular gas was $2.01. But price is only part of the motivation. It's just an incredible feeling when you make your own fuel and put it in the tank, Larson said. Richmond said he started as kind of a protest against the war in Iraq and Middle East policies he views as based on oil dependence. All three have signs on the back of their cars reading: Powered by biodiesel. Renewable, domestic, clean. Biodiesel burns cleaner, is biodegradable, makes use ö in their case ö of a waste product and could, if it became popular commercially, benefit Illinois
[Biofuel] Kyoto Final Step
Final Step for Kyoto Pact to Take Place at U.N. By ANDREW C. REVKIN Nov 17, 2004 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/17/international/europe/17cnd-kyot.html United Nations officials said that the final step leading to the enactment of the Kyoto Protocol, the first treaty restricting heat-trapping pollution linked to global warming, is scheduled to take place Thursday, when Russian officials deliver ratification papers signed by President Vladimir V. Putin to United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan. The handoff will take place at a special meeting of the United Nations Security Council in Nairobi exploring the conflict in Sudan. After President Bush rejected the climate treaty in 2001, the only way for it to gain sufficient support to take force was with Russian participation. Only four industrialized countries have not ratified it: the United States, Australia, Liechtenstein and Monaco. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
Hallo Kirk, Wednesday, 17 November, 2004, 21:37:44, you wrote: KM It is always the one true faith against the world. If KM you think Christianity has a corner on this market you KM aren't looking very hard. Threatening hellfire is one KM way, Islam threatens the sword for nonbelievers. KM Israel/Palestine is a holy war is it not? KM As long as a religion has us/them it will end with KM blood. KM Love one another as you would love yourself. Seems KM most would rather die first. KM :( Love yourself... But I think that's not so simple, nor so obvious - of course everybody loves themselves, but do they really? Deep down inside somewhere maybe. What does it mean exactly? Certainly not self-indulgence or self-gratification, those just feed the ego, not the self. Egotism is not the same as self-respect, nor arrogance the same as self-esteem. Arrogance isn't even the same as pride, which has its place - you can say Have you no pride? or Have you no shame? and it means exactly the same thing. If the answer to either is Yes then you have a sound foundation. True pride is not empty. Not the same with arrogance, no sound foundation there, it really just protests too loudly in an attempt to hide an underlying lack of security and confidence and indeed of true self-esteem - hide it from onesself mainly. This sort of self-deception doesn't lead to self-love, or any kind of love, rather it leads in the opposite direction. If it seems to you that this applies to most, who'd rather die first, consider the daily onslaught, the massive, unrelenting appeal in our societies to just such things as self-indulgence, self-gratification, egotism, arrogance, self-deception, and just how little of the fare that's provided for public consumption has anything remotely to do with love. Can't make money out of love. But, it's just a superficial effect, not too many are totally lost in it, most not, many not at all. If you appeal to people's better nature they do respond, all too willingly - it's the appeal they lack, not the capability to respond to it. I don't think it's ever been altogether suppressed, no matter how totalitarian the regime. Change only takes a few, and they're always there and ready for it when the time comes, when the time is right society responds and is renewed. Best wishes Keith KM Kirk Please let us be clear on this. It is NOT religion which is the problem it is ORGANIZED religion. Organized religion is about power and control. Religion is personal between the believer and whatever that believer holds as their God/gods/whatever one wishes to call it. That which is worshipped has the authority in religion. In organized religion there is a lot of mouthing about God being the authority but in fact the church heirarchy and their interpretation of any holy texts or belief systems is where the actual authority lies. They claim ownership of the franchise and thereby own God. What you are really talking about is not religion but creed. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Weight ~ 7-8 lbs to the gallon
Does anyone have any estimate on what WVO weighs average? I am trying to see how much a truck would carry. Thanks. ___ Depends of course on how much W there is in the WVO. The 5 gallon containers they sell oil in are called 35 pounders. Water weighs about 8. I use 8 as a rule of thumb and it hasn't hurt my thumb yet. kk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op?
tanks with conical bottoms with a release valve on the bottom. The other two are empty 55 gal steel drums that used to contain methanol. I am working on emptying my sixth drum of methanol, and I can only say that they all come in real handy. No need to use anything else, unless you've got money too burn. Just cut the top complety off and install a bulkhead valve fitting with a 3/4 pvc ball valve at the bottom. I mix up 40 gal batches in them and they work just fine. I mounted the valve as low as possible on the side and built a metal stand that the drum sits in. I can heat the oil with a propane burner when nessesary.Very usefull. I know that might sound dangerous. but my lab is outside and the drum of methanol is never opened when the oil is in cook stage plus I never heat the oil any warmer than around 100 degrees F. I also use the drums for the bubble wash. These work real well 'cause of the flat bottom. I have made over 1400 gal of BD with almost 1/2 coming from these drum processors. I have 40 gal in the drum right now settling after the wash that I will pump out to empty methanol drum #3 which is my pumping barrel. Then I will make a 40gal batch this weekend in the other drum processor because I got customers waiting to buy it. Hope this helpsDB - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op? i'm hopfully going to be building a biodiesel processor for my campus this weekend. i go to school at guilford college in greensboro, nc and several of us are in the process of starting a biodiesel co-op here. i'm wondering what processor would be the best to work on. i'd like to be able to have about a 40-50 gallon capacity. thanks james ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Weight
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Weight Does anyone have any estimate on what WVO weighs average? I am trying to see how much a truck would carry. Thanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wich one is the best?
diesel vehicle right off the lot. But ethanol is also needed. You need it to make biodiesel. I use methanol but would switch to ethanol if I could. I can currently make 280 gal of BD from 55 gal drum of methanol. the yeald would be less with the same amount of ethanol..Hope this helps..DB - Original Message - From: Gabriel Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] wich one is the best? Is it biodiesel or ethanol? _ Envoyer des courriels cratifs est aussi amusant que d'en recevoir. Utilisez de la papeterie, des polices et des couleurs spciales http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/richmail Commencez ds maintenant profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Weight
trying to see how much a truck would carry. Thanks. Density kgL @ 15.5 deg C Diesel - 0.84 Canola Oil - 0.92 Biodiesel - 0.88 For canola oil that's 7.67 pounds per US gallon. Add a little for WVO. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
Thank you Keith for offering your perception. So... in our work to make a difference, we must consider the nature of the appeal. As noted yesterday, the common interests as seen in the New York Times survey of Internet hits, is obviously directed toward a lower Chakra point. Appealing to the more basic instincts keeps Madison Avenue in business for advertising campaigns and the overload of stimuli from slick media presentations also confuse the senses. The new trend toward reality television and make over enthusiasts is interesting (especially to someone without a television). To relate these perspectives to our common goals of making the world a better place to live, we should impact masses with logic and reason before they are affected in hunger, sex, or comfort. But like children, many consumers have not experienced loss of comfort. The concept is like a movie script--to be watched without participation in making a difference. Readily available perks are advertised to restore pride, self-esteem, and support well-being. It is all so complicated. After giving my little speech on Alternatives to the Alternatives at the International Fuel Ethanol Workshop, many participants spread the word about the lecture. Their enthusiasm was heady in retrospect. But without the repeated message, not much transpired to forward the concepts. So... just like a good recipe for making biofuels, we need a recipe for success in changing attitudes. I know that you have experienced positive growth, and for the amount of work that you do, you should have snowballed into a huge conglomerate by now. People on this forum are lights of hope and we need an evangelistic approach to accompany our logic and reason to impact immature consumers. Listen to the small talk at the pub, the store, and on the street. Mostly, the people are worried about their shrinking available or disposable income. Sometimes it takes a hunk of the pleasure denial via economics to awaken awareness. But still, until media presents best-case scenarios as solutions, the stimulation continues to focus on what is wrong rather than a way to a better future. Perhaps, listers can pool our imaginative resources to come up with ways to impact the masses by offering sexy solutions. Evidently the general public fails to use its creativity to solve its own problems... and mostly, the younger consumers do not get off their cushions to perform physical labor. We need to teach the young people to love the real world and to work with it. At this time education is number 3 in economic expenditures in the United States. People think that by obtaining a college degree they may be excused from the work force not understanding the real meaning of education. Most that I meet in my day to day activities seem quite disenchanted yet not stimulated to actually wake-up and make a difference. I've heard it said that the younger men have been so dominated by liberated women that they seldom exude the previous strength of nature in becoming a man. Yet, I enjoy the new awareness in respect for being a woman. Are we assisting new young leaders? When The Machine Stops (a 1930's SciFi) then there will be a forced reawakening. Now, however, as leaders in re-organization, we need to share our positive dreams and plans so that we can key off the inventiveness and good intent. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the opportunity. Best wishes, Peggy Hello Gustl, Kirk and all Hallo Kirk, Wednesday, 17 November, 2004, 21:37:44, you wrote: KM It is always the one true faith against the world. If KM you think Christianity has a corner on this market you KM aren't looking very hard. Threatening hellfire is one KM way, Islam threatens the sword for nonbelievers. KM Israel/Palestine is a holy war is it not? KM As long as a religion has us/them it will end with KM blood. KM Love one another as you would love yourself. Seems KM most would rather die first. KM :( Love yourself... But I think that's not so simple, nor so obvious - of course everybody loves themselves, but do they really? Deep down inside somewhere maybe. What does it mean exactly? Certainly not self-indulgence or self-gratification, those just feed the ego, not the self. Egotism is not the same as self-respect, nor arrogance the same as self-esteem. Arrogance isn't even the same as pride, which has its place - you can say Have you no pride? or Have you no shame? and it means exactly the same thing. If the answer to either is Yes then you have a sound foundation. True pride is not empty. Not the same with arrogance, no sound foundation there, it really just protests too loudly in an attempt to hide an underlying lack of security and confidence and indeed of true self-esteem - hide it from onesself mainly. This sort of self-deception doesn't lead to self-love, or any kind of love, rather it leads in the opposite direction. If it seems to you that this applies to most, who'd rather die first,
Re: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op?
You should come visit the Piedmont Biofuels Coop. We have a small research farm and a few processors going. We are located outside of Pittsboro, North Carolina about an hour and a half from Greesnboro. Our biofuels project at the local community college just completed a 40 gallon mobile processor with a diesel generator. Let us know if we can help. On Nov 17, 2004, at 1:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm hopfully going to be building a biodiesel processor for my campus this weekend. i go to school at guilford college in greensboro, nc and several of us are in the process of starting a biodiesel co-op here. i'm wondering what processor would be the best to work on. i'd like to be able to have about a 40-50 gallon capacity. thanks james ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ rachel burton piedmont biofuels www.biofuels.coop ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Powerdown
I have finished reading Powerdown (Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World) by Richard Heinberg. (c 2004, New Society Publishers, ISBN 0865715106) Recommended. A bit high-level for my taste, but definitely addresses the peak oil issue and what happens after. Covers four basic scenarios: 1) Last One Standing, 2) Powerdown, 3) Waiting for a Magic Elixir, and 4) Building Lifeboats. The current U.S. strategy, including Iraq, falls under #1. The hydrogen economy falls under #3. #4 is largely about what we can do given the powers that be are following #1. And #2 is what Heinberg thinks we should be doing. Once again, good to see someone else wondering what happened to Lovins and Rifkin in their support for the hydrogen economy. The book contains reasonable coverage of where we're going wrong (at the planetary level) and addresses some of the mainstream mirages at a reasonable level. I would have liked to have seen more coverage of viable solutions. While I concur that we need to really work the conservation and efficiency issues first, I would have liked to have seen more than passing mention to solutions like wind, solar, hydro, biofuels etc. Heinberg also raises the de-population issue to an extent I have not seen since Ehrlich. It was nice to see someone make the distinction between preservationists and survivalists. On a somewhat related note, I spent last Tuesday evening at the Canadian Nuclear Waste Management Organization Public Consulation travelling road show. I went as a member of the public. We were outnumbered by the staff (4 to 2). Fascinating hour. I was misled and flat out lied to. Apparently I have acquired another project, tilting at reactors, to coin a phrase. I will be out of town when President Bush comes to town at the end of the month. I suspect that's a good thing. Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing
Hi all, I have made biodiesel from wvo. The product appears clearer without washing. When I washed it the biodiesel became murky. After several washes it remained murky. can someone tell me what the problem is? fox ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re: [Biofuel] What are the BTUs if used as Home Heating Oil
I presume you are either talking about biodiesel or WVO. See this link for a list (not sure of the accuracy) of btu's per gallon of some fuels: http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/oilburners.html On Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:32 PM, john childers wrote: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:32:45 -0600 From: john childers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] What are the BTUs if used as Home Heating Oil If I use it for home heating oil what is the BTUs per gallon for 100% and how much per gallon if at 50% with #1 Diesel. Thank You for your help been thing about using it in my oil furnace, would I have to change my Burner tip. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Powerdown
on 11/18/04 7:15 AM, Darryl McMahon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have finished reading Powerdown (Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World) by Richard Heinberg. Recommended. Indeed. A sobering book, like his previous one (The Party's Over). I would have liked to have seen more coverage of viable solutions. As you know, his position is that there AREN'T any, if by solution you mean a way to avoid severe social and economic discontinuity in the near future by gracefully transitioning from petroleum to something else. Heinberg also raises the de-population issue to an extent I have not seen since Ehrlich. I was intrigued by his discussion of the hands off attitude of many progressives when it comes to the issue of overpopulation. The whole idea that there is a fundamental and under-recognized tension between the social movements (individual right to procreate or not, with no govt. interference), and the ecology movements (obvious difficulties becoming sustainable with 11+ billion humans on board). Quite a pickle we're in, and he describes it chillingly. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Powerdown
I saw on one of the new sites today that the US now has intelligence proving that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons. Sounds like another WMD issue coming. Made me think about the article posted here a while back about Iran being next. Seems to be playing out that way. That, plus the strength of the Euro against the dollar, China revaluing the Yuan... Things just keep looking worse, but everyone still seems to have their head deeply into the sand (or somewhere else). Brian I have finished reading Powerdown (Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World) by Richard Heinberg. (c 2004, New Society Publishers, ISBN 0865715106) Recommended. A bit high-level for my taste, but definitely addresses the peak oil issue and what happens after. Covers four basic scenarios: 1) Last One Standing, 2) Powerdown, 3) Waiting for a Magic Elixir, and 4) Building Lifeboats. The current U.S. strategy, including Iraq, falls under #1. The hydrogen economy falls under #3. #4 is largely about what we can do given the powers that be are following #1. And #2 is what Heinberg thinks we should be doing. Once again, good to see someone else wondering what happened to Lovins and Rifkin in their support for the hydrogen economy. The book contains reasonable coverage of where we're going wrong (at the planetary level) and addresses some of the mainstream mirages at a reasonable level. I would have liked to have seen more coverage of viable solutions. While I concur that we need to really work the conservation and efficiency issues first, I would have liked to have seen more than passing mention to solutions like wind, solar, hydro, biofuels etc. Heinberg also raises the de-population issue to an extent I have not seen since Ehrlich. It was nice to see someone make the distinction between preservationists and survivalists. On a somewhat related note, I spent last Tuesday evening at the Canadian Nuclear Waste Management Organization Public Consulation travelling road show. I went as a member of the public. We were outnumbered by the staff (4 to 2). Fascinating hour. I was misled and flat out lied to. Apparently I have acquired another project, tilting at reactors, to coin a phrase. I will be out of town when President Bush comes to town at the end of the month. I suspect that's a good thing. Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Powerdown
Ken, The position of that there aren't any solutions, is a position that must concern the developed countries and in particular US. The majority of the world have not Powered Up yet. Unfortunately, where I live, it is not just to go out and buy these books and therefore I have not read it. My opinion is that it will not be possible to avoid significant upheavals, but there are many actions that can minimize the effects of them. It becomes a timing issue and we are already too late. Hakan At 05:11 PM 11/18/2004, you wrote: on 11/18/04 7:15 AM, Darryl McMahon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have finished reading Powerdown (Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World) by Richard Heinberg. Recommended. Indeed. A sobering book, like his previous one (The Party's Over). I would have liked to have seen more coverage of viable solutions. As you know, his position is that there AREN'T any, if by solution you mean a way to avoid severe social and economic discontinuity in the near future by gracefully transitioning from petroleum to something else. Heinberg also raises the de-population issue to an extent I have not seen since Ehrlich. I was intrigued by his discussion of the hands off attitude of many progressives when it comes to the issue of overpopulation. The whole idea that there is a fundamental and under-recognized tension between the social movements (individual right to procreate or not, with no govt. interference), and the ecology movements (obvious difficulties becoming sustainable with 11+ billion humans on board). Quite a pickle we're in, and he describes it chillingly. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Coalition Of The Drilling
http://thehill.com/business/111604_gas.aspx The [pro-Arctic National Wildlife Refuge drilling] coalition was industry-driven. That was the exact opposite of how to do it, said Dutko Group lobbyist Stephen Brown. Brown is working with major chemical companies to create a new coalition aligned with consumer groups to press for a legislative remedy to high prices for natural gas, called the Consumers Alliance for Affordable Natural Gas. Coalition members include the American Chemistry Council, Dow Chemical, DuPont, the 60 Plus Association, the Consumer Federation of America, and the AFL-CIO. The coalition's goal is to produce a stand-alone natural-gas bill, likely to include measures reducing drilling restrictions. SOURCE: The Hill, November 16, 2004 Industry shifts strategy on natural gas By Jonathan E. Kaplan Major chemical companies are moving forward with plans to create a new coalition aligned with consumer groups to press for a legislative remedy to high prices for natural gas. Stephen Brown, a lobbyist with the Dutko Group, which is helping to develop the coalition, said the companies want to increase their political influence by reaching out to groups outside of the industry, such as consumer and environmental organizations. Brown said the coalition, which calls itself the Consumers Alliance for Affordable Natural Gas, has learned from failed attempts to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to oil drilling, an effort backed most strongly by the major oil producers that stood to benefit. The ANWR coalition was industry-driven, Brown said. That was the exact opposite of how to do it. Companies such as DuPont, Dow Chemical, Eastman Chemical, Rohm and Haas, Crompton, and Bayer, plus several trade associations, have been working over the past year to find areas of agreement with outside groups. The conventional wisdom is it's going to be major companies versus consumer and environmental groups. That's the mold we're trying to break here, said Geoff Hurwitz, the vice president of government affairs at Rohm and Haas, a Philadelphia- based company. Maintaining stable, if not low, prices for natural gas is crucial for industries and consumers alike, Hurwitz argued. Natural gas is a feed stock, or an essential input for the products produced by the chemical and agricultural industries. It is also the heating fuel for 51 percent of homes in the United States. The problem is straightforward: Natural gas demand is growing, but supply is not keeping pace. As a result, the Energy Department has estimated, residential customers will spend 17 percent more on natural gas this winter. Brown said he believes consumer groups concerned about the cost of heating homes in the Northeast this winter and chemical companies facing rising costs can find common ground on ways to reduce the price of natural gas. Such groups as the Consumer Federation of America, the AFL-CIO and the 60 Plus Association will become increasingly involved in the coalition, Brown said. The coalition also hopes to persuade advocates for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, a federally funded initiative to help low income households pay their heating and air conditioning bills, to work with the coalition. Hurwitz, the coalition's chairman, added, We're looking at the role of efficiency in cutting demand and how that will influence price and supply. We do need more supply. Neil Elliot, the industry program director at the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy, an environmental think tank, agreed: We need to address demand-side, and do that right now, and to acknowledge we have to look at a portfolio of solutions on the [supply] side. Congress can do little now to bring down prices for natural gas immediately, but the long-term fixes some in the gas industry want include opening areas now off-limits to production, reducing drilling restrictions in areas only partially open to production and speeding the environmental reviews required prior to the granting of a drilling permit. The first step the coalition will likely make is drafting a letter to lawmakers signaling that nontraditional allies are in agreement on a core set of principles, which, if implemented, would stabilize the market for natural gas. Some lawmakers are intrigued. Sens. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) are discussing drafting legislation. Alexander recently held a roundtable in Tennessee with the state's largest employers to discuss the rising price of natural gas, and he is working with the coalition to come up with options for introducing comprehensive natural gas legislation, said his spokeswoman, Alexia Poe. On the House side, Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.), chairman of an informal task force on natural gas, and Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) have been approached by the coalition. Hurwitz and Brown said the coalition's goal is to produce a
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
Hallo Kirk, Wednesday, 17 November, 2004, 21:37:44, you wrote: KM It is always the one true faith against the world. If KM you think Christianity has a corner on this market you KM aren't looking very hard. Threatening hellfire is one KM way, Islam threatens the sword for nonbelievers. KM Israel/Palestine is a holy war is it not? KM As long as a religion has us/them it will end with KM blood. KM Love one another as you would love yourself. Seems KM most would rather die first. KM :( Love yourself... But I think that's not so simple, nor so obvious - of course everybody loves themselves, but do they really? Deep down inside somewhere maybe. What does it mean exactly? Certainly not self-indulgence or self-gratification, those just feed the ego, not the self. Egotism is not the same as self-respect, nor arrogance the same as self-esteem. Arrogance isn't even the same as pride, which has its place - you can say Have you no pride? or Have you no shame? and it means exactly the same thing. If the answer to either is Yes then you have a sound foundation. True pride is not empty. Not the same with arrogance, no sound foundation there, it really just protests too loudly in an attempt to hide an underlying lack of security and confidence and indeed of true self-esteem - hide it from onesself mainly. This sort of self-deception doesn't lead to self-love, or any kind of love, rather it leads in the opposite direction. If it seems to you that this applies to most, who'd rather die first, consider the daily onslaught, the massive, unrelenting appeal in our societies to just such things as self-indulgence, self-gratification, egotism, arrogance, self-deception, and just how little of the fare that's provided for public consumption has anything remotely to do with love. Can't make money out of love. But, it's just a superficial effect, not too many are totally lost in it, most not, many not at all. If you appeal to people's better nature they do respond, all too willingly - it's the appeal they lack, not the capability to respond to it. I don't think it's ever been altogether suppressed, no matter how totalitarian the regime. Change only takes a few, and they're always there and ready for it when the time comes, when the time is right society responds and is renewed. Best wishes Keith http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1116-31.htm Published on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 by TomDispatch.com The Missing Voices of Our World by Howard Zinn When I decided, in the late 1970s, to write A People's History of the United States, I had been teaching history for twenty years. Half of that time I was involved in the civil rights movement in the South, when I was teaching at Spelman College, a black women's college in Atlanta, Georgia. And then there were ten years of activity against the war in Vietnam. Those experiences were not a recipe for neutrality in the teaching and writing of history. But my partisanship was undoubtedly shaped even earlier by my upbringing in a family of working-class immigrants in New York, by my three years as a shipyard worker, starting at the age of eighteen, and then by my experience as an Air Force bombardier in World War II, flying out of England and bombing targets in various parts of Europe, including the Atlantic coast of France. After the war I went to college under the GI Bill of Rights. That was a piece of wartime legislation that enabled millions of veterans to go to college without paying any tuition, and so allowed the sons of working-class families who ordinarily would never be able to afford it to get a college education. I received my doctorate in history at Columbia University, but my own experience made me aware that the history I learned in the university omitted crucial elements in the history of the country. From the start of my teaching and writing, I had no illusions about objectivity, if that meant avoiding a point of view. I knew that a historian (or a journalist, or anyone telling a story) was forced to choose, from an infinite number of facts, what to present, what to omit. And that decision inevitably would reflect, whether consciously or not, the interests of the historian. There is an insistence, among certain educators and politicians in the United States, that students must learn facts. I am reminded of the character in Charles Dickens's book Hard Times, Gradgrind, who admonishes a younger teacher: Now, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. But there is no such thing as a pure fact, innocent of interpretation. Behind every fact presented to the world -- by a teacher, a writer, anyone -- is a judgment. The judgment that has been made is that this fact is important, and that other facts are not important and so they are omitted from the presentation. There were themes of profound importance to me that I found missing in
RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism
Thank you Keith for offering your perception. You're welcome, FWIW... So... in our work to make a difference, we must consider the nature of the appeal. As noted yesterday, the common interests as seen in the New York Times survey It was by WorldWatch. of Internet hits, is obviously directed toward a lower Chakra point. There are other ways of looking at it. Relating the most popular Internet hits directly to people's concerns is misleading, if interesting. For instance, you express concern about some deep and deeply important issues in our societies and our future. You don't have a TV but if you had one would your true concerns be reflected in what you chose to watch, given the fare you'd be offered? Hardly, eh? And you're not typical. The same sort of skew applies to search terms and top hits, but much more severely. One problem with the Internet as an information medium is that people tend to have a television attitude to anything on a screen - in general they have a different way of reading (?) information at a website to the way they'd read the same information in a newspaper (which is again somewhat different to the way they'd read it in a book). The screen often means there's a much lower attention span (that of the now-famous goldfish), a more superficial approach. And that influences the choice of subject matter very much, enough to skew any survey. I don't believe that's the reality of the Internet though, and it will change in time. I don't see the Internet and the Web as exactly new (though it's still a litle baby compared with what it will become), but to the majority it is new, the skills level is still low, and, of course, in what's been dubbed the Information Age it should perhaps come as no surprise that the level of information skill is even lower, much lower, in every way. That will also change. Meanwhile the superficialities and ineptnesses tend to obscure the incredibly positive and creative ways a large and rapidly increasing number of people and organisations worldwide are using the Net and the Web. It's now some years since the good folks at RAFI, five people at a somewhat obscure and underresourced NGO equipped with a few PCs and a telephone line, took on the mighty Monsanto, and won. Appealing to the more basic instincts keeps Madison Avenue in business for advertising campaigns and the overload of stimuli from slick media presentations also confuse the senses. The new trend toward reality television and make over enthusiasts is interesting (especially to someone without a television). To relate these perspectives to our common goals of making the world a better place to live, we should impact masses with logic and reason before they are affected in hunger, sex, or comfort. But like children, many consumers have not experienced loss of comfort. The concept is like a movie script--to be watched without participation in making a difference. Readily available perks are advertised to restore pride, self-esteem, and support well-being. There've always been newspapers that pandered to the Lowest Common Denominator, people's basest instincts. Rupert Murdoch brought it to a whole new level at the end of the '60s, and ever since. That was just as the press in general was really feeling the competition from television, and the two factors together had a rather disastrous effect - pandering became policy. Well, I'm not the only one, not by far, but I've proved it several times in different situations that doing the exact opposite, appealing to the best in people, not only works just as well or better, it also helps to create it. That's how it was supposed to work in the first place. In one case an ailing circulation soared, the influence of the paper and the relations it had with its community changed radically, that it was effective and effected change brought further support, and further change, the other newspapers were forced to follow our lead and take up the issues we uncovered... But the management and owners HATED it, and so did the advertisers - most of the advertisers left, but they were quickly replaced by new advertisers as the circulation climbed. It made no difference though - in the end the owners closed it down. Murdered it. We knew it would happen, but it was worth it - for that all too brief period that newspaper was completely out of control, the management neutralised, run by its journalists on behalf of the community. What an eye-opener. Well, what do you expect with all this allegedly high-minded talk of Four Estates, the fourth one to be the public watchdog on the other three... only, unlike the other three, it's OWNED - owned by the very interests it's supposed to be watchdogging. What a surprise! (Not!) The Internet, however... You see. To go back to that survey: Number of Internet searches done by Americans in 2004 about 40 billion Number of Americans who seem to have absorbed
Re: [Biofuel] washing
can someone tell me what the problem is? Are you letting it settle for a good chunck of time? It is probably water suspended in the fuel. Is the fuel cold (say around or below 10 deg c?). -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Hybrid Vehicles in real life
Hybrid cars shine in city stop and go, report shows Vancouver, November 18, 2004 - A new report on the performance of 100 hybrid electric vehicles has documented substantially lower fuel costs and reductions in air pollution, with some owners reporting up to 60 percent savings when using hybrids compared to the vehicles they replaced. The report released today by Fleet Challenge BC, a program of the Fraser Basin Council, concluded 3hybrids appear to be well suited to stop and go applications like urban commuting, taxis, and couriers.2 The report's researchers says its findings will be of particular interest to consumers and vehicle fleet managers looking to save on fuel costs while reducing greenhouse gases and other harmful emissions. North America's two highest mileage hybrid taxis logged 675,000 kilometres during the past three years without problems, the report said. The B.C. government, which operates a fleet of 61 2001 Toyota Prius vehicles, the largest hybrid fleet in Canada, reported an average fuel efficiency of 5.8 litres per 100 kilometres during 2.5 million kilometres of driving throughout the province. 3As Minister responsible for government1s fleet, I look for opportunities that encourage the use of greener, more fuel-efficient vehicles,2 said Management Services Minister Joyce Murray. 3The results of the Hybrid Experience Report will be useful as B.C. continues to demonstrate leadership in reducing emissions and fuel costs across ministries.2 Transportation accounts for about 25 percent of Canada's greenhouse gas emissions, the main contributor to climate change, said the Honourable R. John Efford, Minister of Natural Resources Canada. Initiatives like Fleet Challenge BC and this report are important in two ways. First, they educate Canadian fleet managers about hybrid vehicles. Second, they show that hybrid technology can have both environmental and economic benefits, and help Canada effectively respond to climate change. The City of Vancouver is very excited to be part of this study, says David Cadman Councillor for the City of Vancouver and GVRD Director. Increasing the use of hybrid vehicles is one measure that will help the City of Vancouver meet our Cool Vancouver goals for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. BC Hydro recently added nine hybrid vehicles to its fleet and already they are making a significant contribution to the bottom line, said Bruce Sampson, Vice-President of Sustainability, BC Hydro, who added: 3We'll be sharing our operating experience with these vehicles through the Hybrid Experience Report.2 The Report provides information on hybrid vehicles currently in production by major manufacturers, including the Honda Insight, Toyota Prius, Ford Escape, Honda Civic Hybrid, and Chevrolet Silverado truck, plus commercial vehicles such as delivery trucks and transit buses. The Report noted that an additional 15 hybrid vehicle models will be introduced by manufacturers between 2005 and 2007. The Report is available on the website www.hybridexperience.ca http://www.hybridexperience.ca/ . The Report's website has many features that will help users become better informed about current models, the technology behind them and how well each model has performed in terms of both fuel use and emissions. The website also makes available easy to use calculators that enable consumers and fleet managers to assess and compare hybrids to other vehicles in terms of fuel use, greenhouse gas emissions and total cost of ownership. The preparation of the report was supported by VanCity Credit Union, Greater Vancouver Regional District, Natural Resources Canada, City of Vancouver, BC Ministry of Water, Land and Air Protection, Alberta's Climate Change Central, BC Hydro, and the Fraser Basin Council's Fleet Challenge BC and BC Climate Exchange programs. - 30 - Hybrid Experience Report Website www.hybridexperience.ca http://www.hybridexperience.ca/ For more information contact: Jim Vanderwal, Program Manager, Fraser Basin Council Phone: (604) 488-5359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Vehicles in real life
If anyone is interested in some personal experiences with Hybrids, I have been driving my Honda Insight for over a year now. You can get pretty much the mileage you want to get with this car...the way I drive, I usually get between 45 and 50 miles per gallon. The car has digital readout on your instantaneous use of gas, so if you want to get 60 miles per gallon, up to about 70 mph, this is very possible. However, in the heavy Interstate traffic of South Florida, and the constant rush we are in, impatience will usually cause lots of sudden braking and then sudden acceleration, so 45 mpg is often the result. If you are really in a rush, this car has easily cruised from West Palm to Orlando at speeds averaging between 105 and 115 mph, during which time mileage dropped to about 27 mpg. The Insight handles turns and high speeds like a real sports car, and would destroy a Prius in any type of competive handling. It will actually out handle most cars in high speed interstate driving, this not including Corvettes or other cars with speed capabilities unrelated to real life needs. On scenic coastal roads like A1A, where the speed limit ranges from 35 to 40 mph, the Insight can easily get 75 and even 80 mpg, and you don't feel like you are trying that hard to accomplish this ! Dan V -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Enga Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Vehicles in real life Hybrid cars shine in city stop and go, report shows Vancouver, November 18, 2004 - A new report on the performance of 100 hybrid electric vehicles has documented substantially lower fuel costs and reductions in air pollution, with some owners reporting up to 60 percent savings when using hybrids compared to the vehicles they replaced. The report released today by Fleet Challenge BC, a program of the Fraser Basin Council, concluded 3hybrids appear to be well suited to stop and go applications like urban commuting, taxis, and couriers.2 The report's researchers says its findings will be of particular interest to consumers and vehicle fleet managers looking to save on fuel costs while reducing greenhouse gases and other harmful emissions. North America's two highest mileage hybrid taxis logged 675,000 kilometres during the past three years without problems, the report said. The B.C. government, which operates a fleet of 61 2001 Toyota Prius vehicles, the largest hybrid fleet in Canada, reported an average fuel efficiency of 5.8 litres per 100 kilometres during 2.5 million kilometres of driving throughout the province. 3As Minister responsible for government1s fleet, I look for opportunities that encourage the use of greener, more fuel-efficient vehicles,2 said Management Services Minister Joyce Murray. 3The results of the Hybrid Experience Report will be useful as B.C. continues to demonstrate leadership in reducing emissions and fuel costs across ministries.2 Transportation accounts for about 25 percent of Canada's greenhouse gas emissions, the main contributor to climate change, said the Honourable R. John Efford, Minister of Natural Resources Canada. Initiatives like Fleet Challenge BC and this report are important in two ways. First, they educate Canadian fleet managers about hybrid vehicles. Second, they show that hybrid technology can have both environmental and economic benefits, and help Canada effectively respond to climate change. The City of Vancouver is very excited to be part of this study, says David Cadman Councillor for the City of Vancouver and GVRD Director. Increasing the use of hybrid vehicles is one measure that will help the City of Vancouver meet our Cool Vancouver goals for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. BC Hydro recently added nine hybrid vehicles to its fleet and already they are making a significant contribution to the bottom line, said Bruce Sampson, Vice-President of Sustainability, BC Hydro, who added: 3We'll be sharing our operating experience with these vehicles through the Hybrid Experience Report.2 The Report provides information on hybrid vehicles currently in production by major manufacturers, including the Honda Insight, Toyota Prius, Ford Escape, Honda Civic Hybrid, and Chevrolet Silverado truck, plus commercial vehicles such as delivery trucks and transit buses. The Report noted that an additional 15 hybrid vehicle models will be introduced by manufacturers between 2005 and 2007. The Report is available on the website www.hybridexperience.ca http://www.hybridexperience.ca/ . The Report's website has many features that will help users become better informed about current models, the technology behind them and how well each model has performed in terms of both fuel use and emissions. The website also makes available easy to use calculators
