Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?
the article doesn't address the potential for algae based fuel. http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html algae pools don't displace cropland like rape or palm, and algae grows much faster. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:32:57 +, martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Do you know the potential ethanol yield from banana leaves? I am working in the Canary Islands and these are in abundance! From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:04:48 -0500 Hello Myles, The article seems to present the misconception that those of us who are conscientious about how we live our lives and how that impacts our environment and other people as saying biofuels are the silver bullet to the worlds energy problem. When in fact, if you'll search the archives (http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/) of this list alone, you'll discover that solutions sought are much more encompassing. Renewable fuels are very important but so is conservation and the elimination of waste. Discussions here are about how to best achieve a sustainable life for all people and the environment. Starting with our own lives. Lead by Example. I don't know of any one renewable energy source available today that can offset 100% of the fossil fuel usage without itself creating a negative impact on the people and/or environment. The big picture is rather a combination of Biofuels, Solar, Wind, Conservation, and the reviving of our environment. A global collective mindset must be reached to this effect in order to truly have the necessary impact required. And this is not impossible. Just as A journey of 1000 miles begins with the first step... the changing of the collective mindset changes with one personyou. Stay on the list, stay informed, and change minds through your example. Best wishes, Tim Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this group, and have been following most of what has been posited and discussed with much interest. However, I came across this article today and was made to feel a little uneasy. I believe there is a lot of good (both environmental and humanitarian) to be achieved throught the use (and governmental support) of this sort of renewable energy, and call upon those better informed than myself to put my mind at ease. Are we missing the bigger picture? Yours, Myles. Fuel for nought The adoption of biofuels would be a humanitarian and environmental disaster George Monbiot Tuesday November 23, 2004 The Guardian If human beings were without sin, we would still live... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost
Another suggestion. If you are composting woody plants or tree trimmings add some ammonium nitrate or urea fertilizer. The micro organisms that break down this material take up a lot of nitrogen so if you increase the available nitrogen you can speed up the process. Also, if you mulch trees with wood chips it is a good idea to add these compounds to the mulch because the organisms breaking down the wood chips will take the nitrogen from the soil and tie it up robbing your tree. You get it back eventually when the micro organisms themselves decompose but in the mean time you will stunt your tree. Rick pan ruti wrote: Hello TIM You can accelerate by several biological methods which are weel documented as report in TV GLOBO excellent report and we have beeen studing simple water extraction process as well as inoculam recirculation process. Full DETAIL WE CAN UPLOAD AND SENT FOR ANY ONE Correct C/N from 10 t0 20 is needed for good formentation and hence correct Moisture , animal manuare content need to be carefully controlled to have good fermentation degradation. In ASIAN RURAL AREA GOOD COMPOST ARE ALWAYS MADE THANKING YOU SD PANNIRSELVAM --- Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Robert, I to have the same problem but I have more plant material than animal manure to compost. I have two springs and creeks on the property with good head flow and have been pondering constructing something of a grist mill to grind the corn stalks etc prior to composting. Something similar may be done with a windmill provided enough wind is present. I may be wrong but I think it might work. Labor intensive for loading and unloading but better than what I am doing now. Best Wishes, Tim That issue aside, I have put the stalks, cuttings and other fibrous material in a heap to decay. Aside from grinding or shredding this matter with a machine, is there anything I could be doing to speed its decomposition? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.as px?bookid=9782 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?
Hello Martin, I don't have any specific numbers concerning banana leaves and their yields other than Bananas and Banana waste run roughly 15% less than potatoes and potato waste for sugars and starches. Yields for potatoes and other feedstock's can be compared here http://www.westbioenergy.org/reports/nderept.htm. In addition you can find more valuable information here http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html Best wishes, Tim Tim Do you know the potential ethanol yield from banana leaves? I am working in the Canary Islands and these are in abundance! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] VW Response to US Engine Warrantee using Biodeisel
I submitted the following to VW and recieved the expected response. Unless you're sipping from a European biodiesel pump the US engine warrantee is considered void. Sounds like there's lots of work to be done to win them over to the ASTM spec. Is there really that much of a difference between the German DIN V 51606 standard versus ASTM D-6751? Sounds like I should reconsider and look for an older Jetta TDI VW Customer Service, I am considering purchasing a 2005 Passat TDI. I would like to use B20 diesel fuel (20% biodiesel as an additive with 80% petrol diesel). Does using this fuel have any affect on the powertrain warranty? I may also consider eventually running on B100 (100% biodiesel). I understand that these fuel types are in widespread use today in Germany. Thank you in advance for you help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Product Information Dear Michael, Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel. B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass feedstock such as soybeans. It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20 = 20% biodiesel/80% regular diesel, for example). In Europe our diesel engines are certified to operate any blend of the biodiesel that is available in Europe. European biodiesel is different than biodiesel in the U.S. since it is produced from different feedstock (the rapeseed plant versus the soy plant). Our parent company does not agree with the specifications for biodiesel in the U.S. and does not recommend its use in any percentage. Using biodiesel will invalidate our warranty. If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact Volkswagen Customer Care at 800-822-8987. Thank you for your submission. Kyle Volktalk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part II, energy conservation
With the considerable waste in the energy used for tertiary and residential buildings, it is no doubt that well over 50% can be saved by energy efficiency. One example is hot tap water, were 80% could be produced by thermal solar, by a both modest and profitable investment. A 50% savings target is easy achievable over 20 years in the construction sector. It has already been proven in the Nordic European countries, where the buildings on average use 1/3 of corresponding buildings in US and 1/4 compared with Canada, without any compromises on quality and comfort. By applying more efficient engine sizing and fuel technology, a 50% saving can be done in the transportation sector. Only by going from a gasoline engine to a diesel engine, is a 30% saving. The feasibility of a better than 50% fuel saving in 20 years, is already proven by Europe's preference for diesel powered cars and the fuel economy for the new models of the European cars. If this philosophies are implemented world wide, a better than 50% savings would be the result. To implement biofuel compatibility is no problems, since all cars sold in Europe since 1996 must be biofuel compatible and many in US already are compatible. This means that it is no technical problems to solve on the vehicle side. In a 20 years period, almost the whole vehicle stock is renewed, except for collectors items. To improve the energy efficiency with 50% in 20 years is not only reasonable, there are even some additional margins. Hakan At 11:15 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: I'd say that considering biofuels as a substitute for fossil fuels in our current parrent of economy/society, Monbiot is right. However, biofuels from waste material and small crop diversions, as a means of keeping mechanically powered farming and a frugal local economy functioning in a time of fossil fuel supply shortages and dislocations which is fast approaching, has a crucial role to play in our overall energy supply. It may not be possible to continue mechanically powered farming in the long term, but we will need to keep it going for some time; we can't switch to animal power and gardening methods overnight. Biofuel production and use will be developed by those who want to do it for their own purposes, and I don't think it is very important whether those uses are viable (e.g. McDonald's parasites) over the long term. The important thing is that the technology gets developed and spreads. As long as we have metals and reasonably accurate machining (and it may be possible to replace a lot of metal with ceramics), I expect that biofuel powered engines will have a place. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Myles Arnott wrote: Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this group, and have been following most of what has been posited and discussed with much interest. However, I came across this article today and was made to feel a little uneasy. I believe there is a lot of good (both environmental and humanitarian) to be achieved throught the use (and governmental support) of this sort of renewable energy, and call upon those better informed than myself to put my mind at ease. Are we missing the bigger picture? Yours, Myles. Fuel for nought The adoption of biofuels would be a humanitarian and environmental disaster George Monbiot Tuesday November 23, 2004 The Guardian [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[4]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking ToReinInIsrael
It is frustrating dealing with technology that is clearly light years beyond my capacity to understand. I thought I had already composed, and sent, my final reply regarding this particular topic. However, either my mind is going faster than I thought, or I sent said reply to the same place my other sock always goes after it enters the dryer. If by some chance that phantom reply materializes, I apologize for the duplication. To Gustl, My sincere thanks for the kind words regarding my Grandfather. As for me, I will file this one under lesson learned. I think that one indication of a decent man is when he is able to admit when he is wrong. To be a man, he must remain steadfast in order to learn what his mistake was, and what he must do in order to both correct it, and learn from it. I know that a sure sign of an honorable man is when he can be correct and helpful simultaneously. Thanks for the help Gustl. AntiFossil. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re[4]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking ToReinInIsrael Hallo Rice, No brother, it isn't waytogo dumbass it is only a mistake. You corrected it. No harm no foul and nobody died. :o) I saw an interview with Powell's intel chief who left his service 4 months prior to Powell going in front of the UN. On the same program they had the folks from our own nuclear program who were quoted as saying that the aluminum tubes were for nuclear production and those folks said they told the government just the opposite...that the tubes were wholly inadequate. Same business on the mobile bio-warefare vans. They came from the Brits and what the Iraqis said they were they were in fact. When you go finding sources don't use just one and drop the ones who are consistently inaccurate. As for you, your grandfather surely would have given you an attaboy since you had the good sense to check your facts and find out what was right. A lot of people wouldn't even have cared. Well done. Happy Happy, Gustl Monday, 22 November, 2004, 17:29:40, you wrote: AF Now is one of those times when my Grandfathers wisdom could have really been AF useful. It would appear that I have contracted very serious disease indeed. AF I believe they call it waytogo dumbass, not exactly sure of the proper AF medical terminology. I will be seeking treatment for this condition shortly, AF and fully expect a complete recovery. After following Gustl's advice and AF doing my homework, I did in fact find some disturbing details re: Powell AF that I was unaware of prior to today. Unaware of primarily because I had AF failed to look. I would appreciate any assistance anyone can give regarding AF links to sites that might have more info. regarding the truth about Powell. AF I am in serious need of an education regarding this man, as I am feeling AF like a damn fool right now because I bought into the hype 300%. Again, I AF stand corrected, Anti-Fossil -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol
oops, I need to correct myself, the proper formula for propylene glycol is:HOCH2CHOHCH3. propylene glycol is HOCH2-CH2-CH2OH and could be made from glycerol but your talking a some pretty sophisticated procedures. Heck, why not use the glycerol as antifreeze? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.
fuel be used in all states by the year 2007. This would in essence reduce the US dependence on foreign oil by under 10%. It would put the American Farmer back to work rather than see him subsidized by the government and in general put many people back to work. It would literally stop the outflow of greenbacks to the middle east. Yes Brazil does have more than a great percentage of their vehicles using ethanol. It started in the 80's. They got up to about 90% ethanol usage. That meant every car, every truck, every lawnmower etc.etc. was using ethanol. A truly non-polluting fuel. Even the octane is higher making it more powerful. The only down side is that ethanol is corrosive. Meaning gas tanks need to be lined with rubber or plastic. Bill - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. If I said to the group that we could replace 50% of the use of finite and fossil fuels, I am sure that it is not many who see that as both realistic and achievable. In fact, most people would see it as a reasonable goal and it could even be done within a 20 year period. This for at least tertiary buildings, domestic buildings and transport. Brazil is already there or even at better numbers. Electricity production from wind, solar, hydro and biofuels will definitely be achievable at 50%, nobody doubt that at all. This will help a lot and will not be any risks for not continuing with any activity. Hakan At 11:15 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: I'd say that considering biofuels as a substitute for fossil fuels in our current parrent of economy/society, Monbiot is right. However, biofuels from waste material and small crop diversions, as a means of keeping mechanically powered farming and a frugal local economy functioning in a time of fossil fuel supply shortages and dislocations which is fast approaching, has a crucial role to play in our overall energy supply. It may not be possible to continue mechanically powered farming in the long term, but we will need to keep it going for some time; we can't switch to animal power and gardening methods overnight. Biofuel production and use will be developed by those who want to do it for their own purposes, and I don't think it is very important whether those uses are viable (e.g. McDonald's parasites) over the long term. The important thing is that the technology gets developed and spreads. As long as we have metals and reasonably accurate machining (and it may be possible to replace a lot of metal with ceramics), I expect that biofuel powered engines will have a place. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Myles Arnott wrote: Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this group, and have been following most of what has been posited and discussed with much interest. However, I came across this article today and was made to feel a little uneasy. I believe there is a lot of good (both environmental and humanitarian) to be achieved throught the use (and governmental support) of this sort of renewable energy, and call upon those better informed than myself to put my mind at ease. Are we missing the bigger picture? Yours, Myles. Fuel for nought The adoption of biofuels would be a humanitarian and environmental disaster George Monbiot Tuesday November 23, 2004 The Guardian [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Calculating the Solar Budget for any place
I've been working on how to calculate the solar budget for any number of square feet in anyplace. Well, my place. Do people buy that an average figure of 636 watts of solar radiation /sq. meter reach the surface? I have that in an illustration I found, but it does not give the frequency. Would that be daily? Any leads on how to proceed would be appreciated. R -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 11/24/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost
HELLO, AAL OUT THERE, This is just what happens in city rubbish piles here in Africa where farmers go to pack compost soil from under. Nobody turns the piles and everyday there is compost fot the urban farmers. But i want to do composting of mainly sawdust and much less farm stubbles in a really fast way. I have read of a stock made out of cassava by a now late farmer in Asia. This stock speeds up compostimg. Any one who can tell how to make this stock and use it in composting? Thanks to all you guys who care to give answers. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:47:59 -0500 Hallo Keith, We're sort of passive aerobic here. We just keep piling stuff on the top and taking what we need from the bottom. Never turn it and never water it and we have always had plenty for our needs. It probably takes longer this way but it suits our needs. Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, 24 November, 2004, 08:31:59, you wrote: Hi, To speed up the decomposition, you have to add some water and turn the material once a day to introduce oxygen. KA Certainly no need to turn once a day, if ever. It needs water, yes, KA but not too much water or it will go anaerobic, very difficult to KA recover - that's probably the most common reason for failure. Water KA content should be about 60-65%, overall carbon/nitrogen ratio should KA be 25-30:1, and it needs plenty of air. Surface area is important - KA the greater the surface area of the materials, ie the smaller the KA bits are, the easier it is for the microorganisms to attack them, BUT KA the smaller the bits are the less the aeration through the heap. -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- ___ Get your free email from www.doramail.com with 30 Megs of disk space in webhosting and e-mail storage! Powered by Outblaze ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.
Bill, You are late. The 10% ethanol target is going to happen as you say, but for an other reason than the urge of introducing biofuel. It is happening right now and is necessary for replacing MTBE. I do interpret your post that you agree the 50% of current gasoline volume could be available as ethanol in 20 years? Hakan At 02:27 AM 11/25/2004, you wrote: I believe in a system called the Lemonade Fix. It proposes 10% ethanol fuel be used in all states by the year 2007. This would in essence reduce the US dependence on foreign oil by under 10%. It would put the American Farmer back to work rather than see him subsidized by the government and in general put many people back to work. It would literally stop the outflow of greenbacks to the middle east. Yes Brazil does have more than a great percentage of their vehicles using ethanol. It started in the 80's. They got up to about 90% ethanol usage. That meant every car, every truck, every lawnmower etc.etc. was using ethanol. A truly non-polluting fuel. Even the octane is higher making it more powerful. The only down side is that ethanol is corrosive. Meaning gas tanks need to be lined with rubber or plastic. Bill - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. If I said to the group that we could replace 50% of the use of finite and fossil fuels, I am sure that it is not many who see that as both realistic and achievable. In fact, most people would see it as a reasonable goal and it could even be done within a 20 year period. This for at least tertiary buildings, domestic buildings and transport. Brazil is already there or even at better numbers. Electricity production from wind, solar, hydro and biofuels will definitely be achievable at 50%, nobody doubt that at all. This will help a lot and will not be any risks for not continuing with any activity. Hakan At 11:15 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: I'd say that considering biofuels as a substitute for fossil fuels in our current parrent of economy/society, Monbiot is right. However, biofuels from waste material and small crop diversions, as a means of keeping mechanically powered farming and a frugal local economy functioning in a time of fossil fuel supply shortages and dislocations which is fast approaching, has a crucial role to play in our overall energy supply. It may not be possible to continue mechanically powered farming in the long term, but we will need to keep it going for some time; we can't switch to animal power and gardening methods overnight. Biofuel production and use will be developed by those who want to do it for their own purposes, and I don't think it is very important whether those uses are viable (e.g. McDonald's parasites) over the long term. The important thing is that the technology gets developed and spreads. As long as we have metals and reasonably accurate machining (and it may be possible to replace a lot of metal with ceramics), I expect that biofuel powered engines will have a place. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Myles Arnott wrote: Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this group, and have been following most of what has been posited and discussed with much interest. However, I came across this article today and was made to feel a little uneasy. I believe there is a lot of good (both environmental and humanitarian) to be achieved throught the use (and governmental support) of this sort of renewable energy, and call upon those better informed than myself to put my mind at ease. Are we missing the bigger picture? Yours, Myles. Fuel for nought The adoption of biofuels would be a humanitarian and environmental disaster George Monbiot Tuesday November 23, 2004 The Guardian [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Calculating the Solar Budget for any place
Hey there, Siemens are daily. I would only guess that yours would be the same. Happy holidays, Jonathan Randal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been working on how to calculate the solar budget for any number of square feet in anyplace. Well, my place. Do people buy that an average figure of 636 watts of solar radiation /sq. meter reach the surface? I have that in an illustration I found, but it does not give the frequency. Would that be daily? Any leads on how to proceed would be appreciated. R -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 11/24/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Calculating the Solar Budget for any place
Randal, US have some great maps on this and If I remember right, the North of US have an yearly average of 5kW per sqm. Average means that you are going to have storage enough to utilize it. Which will be a difficult task. With the 35% efficiency for thermal panels, it means that the average collection can be 1.75 kW per sqm. Further south it will be more. The possible reliable collection with storage might be 636 watts per sqm or less, it must be calculated and based on more exact figures about distribution. Hakan At 03:06 AM 11/25/2004, you wrote: I've been working on how to calculate the solar budget for any number of square feet in anyplace. Well, my place. Do people buy that an average figure of 636 watts of solar radiation /sq. meter reach the surface? I have that in an illustration I found, but it does not give the frequency. Would that be daily? Any leads on how to proceed would be appreciated. R ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost
Hey! What part of Africa? What Country??? Jonathan addy abslew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELLO, AAL OUT THERE, This is just what happens in city rubbish piles here in Africa where farmers go to pack compost soil from under. Nobody turns the piles and everyday there is compost fot the urban farmers. But i want to do composting of mainly sawdust and much less farm stubbles in a really fast way. I have read of a stock made out of cassava by a now late farmer in Asia. This stock speeds up compostimg. Any one who can tell how to make this stock and use it in composting? Thanks to all you guys who care to give answers. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Keith Addison Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:47:59 -0500 Hallo Keith, We're sort of passive aerobic here. We just keep piling stuff on the top and taking what we need from the bottom. Never turn it and never water it and we have always had plenty for our needs. It probably takes longer this way but it suits our needs. Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, 24 November, 2004, 08:31:59, you wrote: Hi, To speed up the decomposition, you have to add some water and turn the material once a day to introduce oxygen. KA Certainly no need to turn once a day, if ever. It needs water, yes, KA but not too much water or it will go anaerobic, very difficult to KA recover - that's probably the most common reason for failure. Water KA content should be about 60-65%, overall carbon/nitrogen ratio should KA be 25-30:1, and it needs plenty of air. Surface area is important - KA the greater the surface area of the materials, ie the smaller the KA bits are, the easier it is for the microorganisms to attack them, BUT KA the smaller the bits are the less the aeration through the heap. -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- ___ Get your free email from www.doramail.com with 30 Megs of disk space in webhosting and e-mail storage! Powered by Outblaze ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
