Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Hi all, How much used cooking oil could be mixed with diesel fuel and use the mixture as transport diesel fuel ? Thanks. --- Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol
Also - Is corn the best product to use to make Ethanol? Steve Once you've processed the crops for biodiesel or ethanol the remnants will probably be used for animal feed, humus, and manure I'd guess so as not to exclude soil fertility . . . some other ethanol sources mentioned -- Table 1. Average yield of 99.5 percent alcohol per ton** Table 2. Average yield of 99.5 percent alcohol per acre** http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meCh3.html#alcoholyield in the Table of Contents at http://permaculture.com/alcohol/book/toc.shtml Chapter 5 Feedstocks and Crops section 1 Feedstock Selection section 2 Jerusalem Artichokes section 3 Fodder Beets section 4 Sugar Beets section 5 Sweet Sorghum section 6 Nipa and Sago Palms section 7 Cassava section 8 Cattails section 9 Coffee Pulp section 10 Potatoes section 11 Sweet Potatoes section 12 Wheat section 13 Manure section 14 Corn section 15 Citrus Fruits section 16 Tropical Fruits section 17 Mesquite section 18 Prickly Pear section 19 Buffalo Gourd section 20 Pimelon section 21 Sugar Cane section 22 Whey section 23 Molasses section 24 Forage Plants section 25 Comfrey section 26 Lichens section 27 Marine Algae section 28 Urban Sources section 29 Cellulose Technology ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol
Sorry Steve and list, I see I was just repeating what was already known and shown to you so I wasn't really much help. Hope you find what your looking for on that farm of yours. Also - Is corn the best product to use to make Ethanol? Steve Once you've processed the crops for biodiesel or ethanol the remnants will probably be used for animal feed, humus, and manure I'd guess so as not to exclude soil fertility . . . some other ethanol sources mentioned -- Table 1. Average yield of 99.5 percent alcohol per ton** Table 2. Average yield of 99.5 percent alcohol per acre** http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meCh3.html#alcoholyield in the Table of Contents at http://permaculture.com/alcohol/book/toc.shtml Chapter 5 Feedstocks and Crops ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol vs Petrol
Hi all, The local price for 1 liter of petrol (gas) is over 5.00, I can get methanol for 2.83. The obvious question is is it safe to put methanol into the petrol and how much? It also makes me wonder why methanol is not used as a fuel more. The car I drive is fuel injected, would putting methanol into it mean I would have to have the computer set to give more/less air? Regards Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
dear Roy...welcome to the ever growing family of biofuels enthusiasts.. i am atul based in india ..which is a place where WVO is a concept laughed at ..there isnt simply ne oil wasted the laws r too lax to prevent reuse SVO is totally ruled too out coz its too expensive and hence commercially of no use for ex...a liter of good soya oil should not be less than 1.5 dollars here to give u an idea that brings us to NON EDIBLE OILS NOW thats where the whole excitement is resting right now in india experiments in converting a few tree oils into usable ester fuels has given extremely encouraging results... if u need more info u can visit the site floated by a very respected engineer here..www.svlele.com write back to me if u need ne more info regards atul. --- ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol
Keith, Thanks for the info. However, I am a poor farmer not a dumb one. I do have a major variety of crops and corn is a rotation crop. There is not many alternatives to rotation crops. No? If you say so. Do you do this? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/12561/ I don't really agree with it though. Limited information? I don't think so. And this too is largely input substitution - green manures might provide N, P and K, but they seldom do much for humus management, which is all that counts really. No animal manure - they'd have done very much better to have used rotational grass leys and grazed it. That's real low-input high-output farming, real humus management too, and all at a profit. That's partly what I meant by integrated mixed farm. See Ley farming: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#ley Sow a piece of land with a good pasture mixture and then divide it in two with a fence. Graze one half heavily and repeatedly with cattle, mow the other half as necessary and leave the mowings there in place to decay back into the soil. On the grazed half, you've removed the crop (several times) and taken away a large yield of milk and beef. On the other half you've removed nothing. Plough up both halves and plant a grain crop, or any crop. Which half has the bigger and better yield? The grazed half, by far. Ley Farming explains why grass is the most important crop and how to manage grass leys. Leys are temporary pastures in a rotation, and provide more than enough fertility for the succeeding crops: working together, grass and grazing animals turn the land into a huge living compost pile. Not limited information. When I count my time and fuel costs I may make a few pennies on the corn but what I would like to do is at least save several dollars instead by making my own fuel. I looked over the list of oil producing seeds. The top 8 (some I never heard of) I do not think can be grown in PA. I also have to look at the feasibility of getting the seed out of the plant. I grow about 700 acres of pumpkins. Pumpkin seeds have 2x the oil as corn. The only way I know of to get pumpkin seeds out of a pumpkin is to carve it open and scoop the out. That is alot of carving and scooping. Does anyone know what is the best oil producing seed that can still be grown in PA? Also - Is corn the best product to use to make Ethanol? Certaily not: Not exactly the best energy crops. There's starch and oil in corn (maize) but a lot more of both in other crops. Soy isn't an Also: I am new to this site and have been following and trying to find some info for a few weeks. I guess I will just ask. Did you try these? At the end of every message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Plenty of information for you there. Seems you didn't look. Nver mind, Hoagy's done some of it for you at least. Best wishes Keith Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Keith Addison Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol - was RE: home made fuelcell etc Hello Steve I am new to this site and have been following and trying to find some info for a few weeks. I guess I will just ask. Did you try these? At the end of every message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Plenty of information for you there. I have a large farm and a large source of corn and soybeans from farming. Not exactly the best energy crops. There's starch and oil in corn (maize) but a lot more of both in other crops. Soy isn't an efficient source of oil unless you extract it with hexane, simple pressing won't do much for you, and soy oil isn't the best feedstock for biodiesel anyway (semi-drying oil). On an integrated mixed farm you should be able to produce enough energy to run the farm and more besides from an ever-changing assortment of by-products, so it's more or less free. But if you're growing corn and soy that you're losing money on you're not doing integrated mixed farming anyway, and it's doubtful that you'd get more biofuel out of it than the fossil-fuel inputs you're putting into it. I am very interested in knowing if there is an economical way I can either make my own biodiesel or ethanol for my tractors and/or trucks for my own use and possible sell excess. Shouldn't be a problem, if you select better energy crops to grow.
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Chris Thanks for your info. I guess all I paid attention to was the BAD side of what I read on soy Roy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Roy, Of course start your experiments with small batches of virgin oil, soy, or whatever. For your used oil stock the best oil is the oil you can get. Try to find a place that gives you the 'cleanest' oil, and at first try to get the oil uses with the least animal fat in it. Using the titration technique from www.Journeytoforever.org you can search for the oil that has the lowest titration for ffa's. Almost all the french fries in the US are fried in soy oil, so you will probably get soy oil. The jury is still out as to whether that is bad, as there are many people who have been using soy-based biodiesel for quite some time with no trouble. Good luck. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Atul Thanks for the information. It's very interesting and I wish you luck on bringing the status of Women to a more acceptable place in your country. I'm happy to see this taking place. It's about time as far as I'm concerned. My BEST to you and the work you are doing, not only with your oil production but also with your work to help women. Roy atul malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear Roy...welcome to the ever growing family of biofuels enthusiasts.. i am atul based in india ..which is a place where WVO is a concept laughed at ..there isnt simply ne oil wasted the laws r too lax to prevent reuse SVO is totally ruled too out coz its too expensive and hence commercially of no use for ex...a liter of good soya oil should not be less than 1.5 dollars here to give u an idea that brings us to NON EDIBLE OILS NOW thats where the whole excitement is resting right now in india experiments in converting a few tree oils into usable ester fuels has given extremely encouraging results... if u need more info u can visit the site floated by a very respected engineer here..www.svlele.com write back to me if u need ne more info regards atul. --- ROY Washbish wrote: Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Atul Thanks for the information. It's very interesting and I wish you luck on bringing the status of Women to a more acceptable place in your country. I'm happy to see this taking place. It's about time as far as I'm concerned. My BEST to you and the work you are doing, not only with your oil production but also with your work to help women. Roy atul malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear Roy...welcome to the ever growing family of biofuels enthusiasts.. i am atul based in india ..which is a place where WVO is a concept laughed at ..there isnt simply ne oil wasted the laws r too lax to prevent reuse SVO is totally ruled too out coz its too expensive and hence commercially of no use for ex...a liter of good soya oil should not be less than 1.5 dollars here to give u an idea that brings us to NON EDIBLE OILS NOW thats where the whole excitement is resting right now in india experiments in converting a few tree oils into usable ester fuels has given extremely encouraging results... if u need more info u can visit the site floated by a very respected engineer here..www.svlele.com write back to me if u need ne more info regards atul. --- ROY Washbish wrote: Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
My question is a little bit different ; If you would make a trip around the world and seasons in each country ; what are the chances for the whole year available ' fresh ' oils which countries should you go and which time of the year ( I assume always 'fresh' crop ) .Eg if you start in Europe - in June for rapeseed oil where would you go and when for palm oil or is there a chance to get one kind of oil in different continents all time from fresh crop ? Julian , Poland Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Woodgas Cooking Conservation
a mountain valley called Kingsvale, for an afternoon picnic and recreation by the river. I'm originally from California, and being very conscious of wildfire risk, I brought along one of the tin can stoves I'd made so that we could cook our food. My friend, who came from Eastern Europe, made a roaring bonfire using gasoline as an accelerant. (This is a really dumb thing to do, but I suppose the Czechs don't grow up with fear of wildfire, as I did, having witnessed them many times during my childhood.) The heat from his conflagration only added to the already warm day, and several times I worried that sparks from the big fire might fall on nearby grass and ignite a flame that could easily grow beyond our ability to control. Further, the copious smoke cloud made approaching the blaze an eye-irritating experience. I watched the pollution with California native dismay, shaking my head that people could insist on burning many armloads of wood simply to heat up a single meal. My stove, however, took a long time to get going, and by the time I had a good bed of coals and decent gasification going on, lunch had already been roasted (and very nearly burned to a crisp!) on the big fire. . . Once upon a time we'd had a propane camp stove that was bulky and didn't work terribly well in the wind, but somewhere during one of our many moves that stove got damaged and discarded, or ended up left behind. (I can't remember which.) So on Friday, my loving wife wanted to get another one for our upcoming day at the beach. I reminded her that we already owned a gasifying stove and assured her that the camp stove would work well for our purposes. Subsequent to my Kingsvale experience, tired of poorly functioning tin can designs, I'd broken down and bought one of Tom Reed's woodgas camp stoves. My sweetheart remained quite skeptical of the thing until yesterday, when we went to the beach with our boys. I told her that a handful of chips could easily cook an entire meal in quick order, so somewhat reluctantly (given her experience with my previous tin can cookers), she assented to my experiment, likely thinking that an I told you so would be in order. The stove lit with a single match, and within moments, our old cast iron skillet was hot enough to cook lunch. We have an electric stove at home, but I grew up cooking with natural gas, and I must say that the woodgas stove responded much more like a gas cooktop than the electric one in our kitchen. The pan heated quickly and fairly evenly, though the outside edges took several minutes to come up to temperature. We cooked our food in less than ten minutes, on a windswept public beach, using a very small amount of wood and producing NO smoke. None of the people around us gave my stove a second glance, it's operation so innocuous that it simply didn't warrant their attention. After we were done and the stove had cooled down, I buried the tiny ash remnants on the beach. (You can't take the California out of me, I suppose. . .) For the rest of the day, my sweetheart sang the virtues of our woodgas camp stove. She comes from a very traditional family, people who tend to scoff at concepts like conservation and renewable energy, so coming from her, this was very high praise! The only problem with Tom Reed's stove is that it's battery powered. I have an old photovoltaic battery charger that I could wire into the stove, but it's more portable with a single AA battery, and I can recharge that battery in my solar charger anyway. This experience illustrates how basic human needs can be met at low cost, carefully conserving resources. I wouldn't use the Tom Reed stove indoors, nor would it make much sense in the developing world (as the people who live there are considerably less affluent than I, and my woodgas stove requires a battery), but in my situation it worked very well. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Latitudinal or longitudinally? Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: pros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hello Chris and Frans and other listeners , My question is a little bit different ; If you would make a trip around the world and seasons in each country ; what are the chances for the whole year available ' fresh ' oils which countries should you go and which time of the year ( I assume always 'fresh' crop ) .Eg if you start in Europe - in June for rapeseed oil where would you go and when for palm oil or is there a chance to get one kind of oil in different continents all time from fresh crop ? Julian , Poland Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Dear Pros, How about a world map with growing seasons, rainfall etc.? Have I missed it in the archives? Good stuff there. Still busily searching. Curious Tom -Original Message- From: Chris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/24/05 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: pros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hello Chris and Frans and other listeners , My question is a little bit different ; If you would make a trip around the world and seasons in each country ; what are the chances for the whole year available ' fresh ' oils which countries should you go and which time of the year ( I assume always 'fresh' crop ) .Eg if you start in Europe - in June for rapeseed oil where would you go and when for palm oil or is there a chance to get one kind of oil in different continents all time from fresh crop ? Julian , Poland Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Do you suppose that UK developed a taste for palm oil because it was readily available from 'the empire'? Chris K Cayce, SC What's grown there isn't always the same as what's sold there. I think palm oil is much used in the UK, though it doesn't grow there, and also elsewhere in Europe (but not in some parts of Europe). Trade is somewhat nuts after all, especially so-called free trade. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] a great sight to behold
ok driveing down the road way the other day and i see the huge yellow cheese wagon (school bus) over takeing me on an uphill grade. wasnt happy about the driver going so fast but then i noticed a nice little sticker on the fuel door it said (bio-diesel only) that was a sweet sight to see around here. the coolest thing i noticed about it was that it was not smokeing at all chugging up hill. i was very very impressed my old school bus couldnt make it over a speed bump without darkening the western hemisphere. WooHoo progress ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Magnasol
__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Received: from [68.186.220.47] by web61007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:30:56 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Magnasol To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0-1524391823-1114306256=:21801 Content-Length: 653 Hello everyone, I'm trying to make a batch of biodiesel with some WVO that I learned has been treated will something called Magnasol. This substance seems to inhibits the WVO from transesterifing by causing the NaOH to produce a stringy polymer like substance in the oil. The more NaOH you put in, the more stringy polymer like substance you get. Catch 22. The last batch of WVO I had was heavily contaminated with water that it was unusable. If anyone has information about Magnasol how to deal with it, please pass it along. I currently have 20 gallons of WVO that I'd like to use for biodiesel. Any help, suggestions, or advice is welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fwd: Magnasol
Received: from [68.186.220.47] by web61007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:30:56 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Magnasol To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1524391823-1114306256=:21801" Content-Length: 653 I'm trying to make a batch of biodiesel with some WVO that I learned has been treated will something called Magnasol. This substance seems to inhibits the WVO from transesterifing by causing the NaOH to produce a stringy polymer like substance in the oil. The more NaOH you put in, the more stringypolymer like substance you get. Catch 22. The last batch of WVO I had was heavilycontaminated with water that it was unusable. If anyone has information about Magnasol how to deal with it, please pass it along. I currently have 20 gallons of WVO that I'd like to use for biodiesel. Any help, suggestions, or advice is welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol
by www.bio-power.co.uk It makes some valid points in my opinion regarding the use of chemicals. I have mentioned this method of fuel production before on this list and got an overwhelming reply with negative comments on this other method of fuel production. I am making biodiesel regularly not as a commercial project or business but simply to run 2 vehicles. I produce batches of 100 litres about 4 at a time once a month and feel that the lack of hazardous chemicals with this other method very attractive. It also suggests a continuous process is a viable option which is also a positive as if I can rig up a processor I will have to spend significantly less time creating my fuel. Has anyone any experience with this type of bio-fuel and what were the results? During email correspondence with bio-power I was told the methods they are using also allow the use of heavily hydrogenated oils such as palm (which is used in most traditional English fish chip shops and is readily available in large quantities) I have made bio diesel with these oils in the past and have had to run a 50/50 mix with fossil diesel to winterise the fuel acceptably (even then I froze the tank twice last winter which is not fun!) I am currently using lots of suppliers of small quantities of various liquid oils. Regards Chris Bennett.. *The difference between Bio-power MUVO and standard Bio-diesel RME? **Are there any dangers or risks in these different forms of bio-fuel?*** Many people ask these same questions, and I must add a few more pages to the web site to deal with this remark. The Bio-power web site is always rather out of date, but we do have a much more detailed members site which is accessible to people who have been on one of the Bio-power Introductory Seminars and wish to become a Bio-power Local Agent within the Bio-power Network. There are a number of reasons why we prefer the unique Bio-power method for making a bio-fuel as Modified Used Vegetable Oil. The process otherwise used to make bio-diesel as a Fatty Acid Methyl Ester has many problems associated with the method of manufacture, problems with the materials used and problems connected with the use of the fuel type itself. *Lets look first at the means of manufacture* As you probably already know, RME (Rapeseed Methyl Ester) is made by shattering the lipid fat molecule to strip the three long hydrocarbon chains from their ester bond. This leaves glycerol as a waste by-product. The process is normally achieved using methanol as the new stem, and caustic soda as the catalyst. The process is called transesterification because the hydrocarbons are swapped from a triple bond with glycerol to a single bond with methanol. The volume of fuel made is therefore less than the volume of fat stock used. For this reason we say it is a 'subtractive' method. The potential energy contained in the glycerol is wasted as a fuel, though it can be used as a sugar in a must to create alcohol. However, there are much more efficient and cheaper sugar sources. Nitric acid and glycerol makes nitro-glycerine a high explosive. All this potential energy is wasted. By comparison, the Bio-power technique is an additive process. We do not use any chemical reactions. We do not need any 'nasty' chemicals like sulphuric acid, methanol and caustic soda. We especially do not like methanol because it is created by the petrochemical industry and is therefore fossil sourced, and our primary aim is to produce alternatives to the use of fossil fuels. We do not create any waste by-product like glycerol, and all the potential energy in the fat stock is made available for use as a fuel. We also make larger volume of fuel than that of the fat feed stock because we add other non-mineral materials to achieve the most cost effective improvement in combustion. Because we do not use the processes of esterification or trans-esterification, we do not need any licences for our process from the Environment Agency. Our process does not require any heat or mixing procedures, and it does not create any vapours or toxic emissions. *If we look at the materials used in the two processes* The manufacture of Bio-diesel requires methanol. This is often misleadingly called wood alcohol as if it were a natural material. In reality it is a product of the petrochemical industry and it is made from fossil hydrocarbons. The process of transesterification transfers the ester bond of lipid fats from glycerol (a plant sugar) to methanol (a fossil hydrocarbon). It is therefore not a wholly non-fossil process, and takes valuable energy stored in a non-fossil material (glycerine) out of the fuel, and replaces it with a fossil derived material whilst claiming to be a carbon neutral fuel. Methanol is also a very active chemical against which the human body has no means of defence. It is absorbed easily through the skin and there is no means of elimination from the body,
[Biofuel] human gene in rice
Aerielle Louise 1-952-447-5049 [EMAIL PROTECTED] GM industry puts human gene into rice Japanese researchers have inserted a gene from the human liver into rice to enable it to digest pesticides and industrial chemicals. The gene makes an enzyme, code-named CPY2B6, which is particularly good at breaking down harmful chemicals in the body. adding the human touch gave the rice immunity to 13 different herbicides. other scientists caution that if the gene were to escape to wild relatives of the rice it could create particularly vicious superweeds that were resistant to a wide range of herbicides. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story. jsp?story=632444 GM industry puts human gene into rice By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor 24 April 2005 Scientists have begun putting genes from human beings into food crops in a dramatic extension of genetic modification. The move, which is causing disgust and revulsion among critics, is bound to strengthen accusations that GM technology is creating Frankenstein foods and drive the controversy surrounding it to new heights. Even before this development, many people, including Prince Charles, have opposed the technology on the grounds that it is playing God by creating unnatural combinations of living things. Environmentalists say that no one will want to eat the partially human-derived food because it will smack of cannibalism. But supporters say that the controversial new departure presents no ethical problems and could bring environmental benefits. In the first modification of its kind, Japanese researchers have inserted a gene from the human liver into rice to enable it to digest pesticides and industrial chemicals. The gene makes an enzyme, code-named CPY2B6, which is particularly good at breaking down harmful chemicals in the body. Present GM crops are modified with genes from bacteria to make them tolerate herbicides, so that they are not harmed when fields are sprayed to kill weeds. But most of them are only able to deal with a single herbicide, which means that it has to be used over and over again, allowing weeds to build up resistance to it. But the researchers at the National Institute of Agrobiological Sciences in Tsukuba, north of Tokyo, have found that adding the human touch gave the rice immunity to 13 different herbicides. This would mean that weeds could be kept down by constantly changing the chemicals used. Supporting scientists say that the gene could also help to beat pollution. Professor Richard Meilan of Purdue University in Indiana, who has worked with a similar gene from rabbits, says that plants modified with it could clean up toxins from contaminated land. They might even destroy them so effectively that crops grown on the polluted soil could be fit to eat. But he and other scientists caution that if the gene were to escape to wild relatives of the rice it could create particularly vicious superweeds that were resistant to a wide range of herbicides. He adds: I do not have any ethical issue with using human genes to engineer plants, dismissing talk of Frankenstein foods as rubbish. He believes that that European opposition to GM crops and food is fuelled by agricultural protectionism. But Sue Mayer, director of GeneWatch UK, said yesterday: I don't think that anyone will want to buy this rice. People have already expressed disgust about using human genes, and already feel that their concerns are being ignored by the biotech industry. This will just undermine their confidence even more. Pete Riley, director of the anti-GM pressure group Five Year Freeze, said: I am not surprised by this. The industry is capable of anything and this development certainly smacks of Frankenstein. 24 April 2005 14:35 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
I posted the question and had no idea anyone would take the CONNECTICUT area out of context. The question was posted and ended with CONNECTICUT as the area of interest for what oil to use Roy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
The thread had continued on with pro's and Frans' posts, and that was what I was responding to. I don't believe they are from CT. International list, and all that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best I posted the question and had no idea anyone would take the CONNECTICUT area out of context. The question was posted and ended with CONNECTICUT as the area of interest for what oil to use Roy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
