Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol
Thank you. No, I don't mean methanol. I mean ethanol, fermented out of the sugars from cellulose is build up. When you break cellulose, you get sugars as far as I understand. Tomorrow I have some more time to write down the details so far. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands - Original Message - From: Dean Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol Hi Pieter, Sorry I could be mistaken there is always something new to learn but do you mean methanol instead of ethanol. Methanol is otherwise known as wood alcohol and a small amount is formed during on the grain fermentation during the making of alcohol (Ethanol) beverages the Grain husks being the wood part. Not noing any better or of it is even possible I would imagine that the only alcohol able to be formed from sawdust could be methanol. To make ethanol you ferment sugars. To work out the Ethanol content of ethanol/water mix, at any local home-brew shop you can purchase hydrometers. Beer/wine hydrometers are good up to 20% Spirit hydrometers are good up to 100% about the best you can hope for at home is 95-96%. Dean. Pieter Koole wrote: Hi all, I would like to give it another try to make ethanol from sawdust or other cellulose materials. In the past I have tried Sawdust ethanol production which I read somewhere I think on JTF, but didn't succeed. Well, IF I succeed this time, how can I now the % of ethanol and water ? I have zeolite, so I should be able to dry the ethanol. Can I measure the gravity to be sure enough I have 100% ethanol ? Would zeolite also adsorbe the alcohol ? If yes, what to do ? Drying the zeolite would cause loss of ethanol.or ?? Any advice on making ethanol from sawdust or newspapers would be very welcome. Another - maybe stupid - question : Sometimes I read snip in the messages. What does that mean ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol
Whoa! ...Mike Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume this is for US only shipping: http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/ OK, Since we're on the subject, I've been wondering where I can purchase the H2SO4 necessary for this process. Can anyone give me some direction? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London
ok you can find uk energy show by giong on yahoo and search for london energy show! have fun boys! - Original Message - From: Hakan Falkmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London Just a bit curious, since when and where did they start with highway tolls in Sweden? Free city parking and special tax breaks, I did not read about any revolutions in Sweden. LOL Hakan At 03:22 AM 5/8/2005, you wrote: Hi! I don't know if anyone heard about this event in London.It should be next week.One of the attractions is the Saab 95 Biopower.It uses95%bioethanol and15% regular fuel.The engine can produce 180bhp.It sold about a 1000 units in Sweden already.The owners get special incentives fom the government :Free city parking,no highway tolls and special tax breaks for company vehicles.Wonder whwre else they will sell this one ?If anyone knows let me know please!!jules. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Hemp oil
Hwllo everybody. Does anybody know of a good average iodine number for hemp oil ? AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD
Keith Thank you for this. Now I know just what is taking place. No chemist here. LOL Now the process makes more sense to me. Now ... maybe ... I can understand it. ~BEST~ Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Maybe a silly question, They say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. Not sure about silly answers though ... But we aren't chemists and lots of other people also aren't chemists, so let's see what we can make of it and if it's silly maybe a kindly chemist will help us out. but I cannot figure out how it works really. As far as I understand, veg.oil exists out of a glycerol + 3 fatty acids, like a head with 3 legs. I think make it three heads with their arms linked. During the BD proces, we break off the legs, using NaOH, and connect a methanol molecule on each leg. They break off one by one: triglycerides become di-glycerides (two legs) plus an alkyl ester (one leg), one molecule of glycerin drops out. Then the di-glycerides become mono-glycerides (one leg) plus another alkyl ester and another molecule of glycerin drops out. The mono-glycerides then become alkyl esters and a third molecule of glycerin drops out. When we break off the legs, I would think we have free legs, so free fatty acids. This process above is transesterification, when one alcohol molecule (glycerine) in a fatty acid chain is replaced by another alcohol molecule (methanol). The process reaches equilibrium before completion and can then go into reverse, cutting the legs off alkyl esters so they turn into FFAs, which dissolve back into the biodiesel. You can't transesterify FFAs because there's no alcohol molecule left to replace. Esterification joins a new alcohol molecule onto an FFA, ie acid esterification, and base transesterification. What mistakes do I make when I think this is how it works ? So, if this is how it works (which is prob. not the case), why do we worry about free fatty acids ? See my reply to RE: [Biofuel] A nice experience: The Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) issued a statement on biodiesel. They strongly support it, but they have their concerns too, and they're very involved in standards development... These are their concerns: * Free methanol * Dissolved and free water * Free glycerin * Mono and di glycerides * Free fatty acids * Total solid impurity levels * Alkaline metal compounds in solution * Oxidation and thermal stability ... Free fatty acid Effect: Provides an electrolyte and hastens the corrosion of zinc, Salts of organic acids, Organic compounds formed Failure Mode: Corrosion of fuel injection equipment, Filter plugging, Sediments on parts http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html FIEM report And so on. For instance. I would say that we only would need less lye, because the legs are already lose. They need heads, and then it should be the right kind of head. Triglycerides (SVO) and monoalkyl esters (biodiesel) are good diesel fuels, anything in between isn't - di-glycerides, mono-glycerides, FFAs, along with any remaining glycerine, as well as any excess methanol. All the national standards regard them as contaminants. So don't use less lye and don't use more lye, use the right amount to make good biodiesel. Good biodiesel is as pure as possible with a minimum of contaminants. It doesn't really matter how you go about making it, we all have our different ways. You find out what works and what doesn't, and then you also find out what works for you and what doesn't. There are plenty of checks along the way to tell you if you're heading in the right direction or not. Especially when you wash it. Just as long as you end up with good biodiesel for your motor. For SVO, the European standards don't include WVO, many people supplying or working with SVO systems say No WVO, and the FFA content is one reason for that. Elsewhere, some people making, selling or using SVO kits say there's no issue with WVO as long as it's clean and dry and you pre-heat it to lower the viscosity. The viscosity, again, is all that matters, they say. But they can't cite much research to prove it, and what few longer-term results they have are inconclusive, while there's a lot of research behind the European standards (much of it in German), and a lot of experience in Europe too. According to the research, good SVO fuel is also as pure as possible with a minimum of contaminants, including FFA. I can't figure out how much FFA you've got in your biodiesel, but 1,000 litres is a lot of fuel. Maybe it's not enough to do any harm, or maybe you could mix it with clean biodiesel to dilute it, or maybe use clean biodiesel in alternate tankfuls. Best wishes Keith Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
RE: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London
Don't bother looking: the show's over! I went to it just before it finished on Saturday afternoon: it was just a small, free exhibition of trade stands. I guess the main event was the conference on Friday but I didn't fancy forking out ££hundreds to hear BMW et al banging on about hydrogen being the transport fuel of the future - grrr! Craig. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jules Veres Sent: 09 May 2005 02:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London ok you can find uk energy show by giong on yahoo and search for london energy show! have fun boys! - Original Message - From: Hakan Falkmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London Just a bit curious, since when and where did they start with highway tolls in Sweden? Free city parking and special tax breaks, I did not read about any revolutions in Sweden. LOL Hakan At 03:22 AM 5/8/2005, you wrote: Hi! I don't know if anyone heard about this event in London.It should be next week.One of the attractions is the Saab 95 Biopower.It uses95%bioethanol and15% regular fuel.The engine can produce 180bhp.It sold about a 1000 units in Sweden already.The owners get special incentives fom the government :Free city parking,no highway tolls and special tax breaks for company vehicles.Wonder whwre else they will sell this one ?If anyone knows let me know please!!jules. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] methanol recovery
test batches, (1 litre), and lurking on this fine list, absorbing information, and reading a lot on the biodiesel pages. I guess I've got a decent grip on the process and the chemistry involved, but I've had a question that I've not found the answer to yet. If I'm using 20% by volume of methanol to make my methoxide then run the transesterification, I understand that the methanol becomes part of the molecule chain, with some attaching to the glycerides, and some still floating free in the biodiesel which is washed out toward the end of the process. So if I was to distill the glycerides and soap rinse water, about what percentage of the methanol that I put in is likely to still be recoverable with a distillery? Assume that the recipe is the common NaOH/methanol, without the extra steps consisting of the sulfuric or phosphoric acid treatments... I'd like to know about how much of my waste material is going to be recoverable, because as nature shows us, the concept of waste is man-made. There is no waste in nature. Thanks for your input, in advance. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hemp oil
Iodine Value: 166.5 http://www.ganjaland.com/oil.htm JanWarnqvist wrote: Hwllo everybody. Does anybody know of a good average iodine number for hemp oil ? AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD
Thank you for this. You're welcome Roy, hope it helps - hope it's right! :-) Regards Keith Now I know just what is taking place. No chemist here. LOL Now the process makes more sense to me. Now ... maybe ... I can understand it. ~BEST~ Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Maybe a silly question, They say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. Not sure about silly answers though ... But we aren't chemists and lots of other people also aren't chemists, so let's see what we can make of it and if it's silly maybe a kindly chemist will help us out. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery
I've been preparing my processing system, done a little in the way of test batches, (1 litre), and lurking on this fine list, absorbing information, and reading a lot on the biodiesel pages. I guess I've got a decent grip on the process and the chemistry involved, but I've had a question that I've not found the answer to yet. If I'm using 20% by volume of methanol to make my methoxide then run the transesterification, I understand that the methanol becomes part of the molecule chain, with some attaching to the glycerides, and some still floating free in the biodiesel which is washed out toward the end of the process. So if I was to distill the glycerides and soap rinse water, about what percentage of the methanol that I put in is likely to still be recoverable with a distillery? Assume that the recipe is the common NaOH/methanol, without the extra steps consisting of the sulfuric or phosphoric acid treatments... I'd like to know about how much of my waste material is going to be recoverable, because as nature shows us, the concept of waste is man-made. There is no waste in nature. Thanks for your input, in advance. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ I have just fitted a condenser to my processor. I use the 2 stage base/base process and add 20 litres of methanol to each 80 litre batch of wvo. I add the byproduct removed after the first stage after the second stage is finished and then boil off the methanol. I am recovering about 6 litres of methanol out of each batch. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Hemp oil
I have a question that I have been debating with a biology teacher. Is Hemp illegal to grow in the US. If it is not, where is it grown and what are the exceptions to being allowed to grow it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hemp oil I won't vouch for the accuracy, but the numbers don't seem unreasonable Iodine Value: 166.5 http://www.ganjaland.com/oil.htm JanWarnqvist wrote: Hwllo everybody. Does anybody know of a good average iodine number for hemp oil ? AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cellulose to Ethanol
The Carbohydrate Economy Newsletter Summer 2002 By David Morris http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org Cellulose to Ethanol: A Progress Report Making ethanol in large quantities from lignocellulosic crops is, for many, the equivalent of finding the Holy Grail. After all, lignin, hemicellulose and cellulose are the basic structural materials of plants. Hundreds of millions of tons are contained in everything from wood to grasses to straw to organic wastes. Lignocellulosic feedstocks are cheaper than starch crops. In the late 1990s, the emergence of a commercial process to produce ethanol from these feedstocks appeared imminent. Several companies publicly announced they'd begin producing commercial quantities by 2000. One company held a widely publicized groundbreaking in 1999. Yet midway through 2002, no commercial cellulose-to-ethanol plant is operating. What are the realistic prospects in the near future? First, some background information. The easiest way to make ethanol (alcohol) is to ferment it from simple sugars. Industrial ethanol used to be made from molasses. In Brazil it is made from sugar cane (sucrose). The second easiest way, and the one used to produce the vast majority of ethanol in the United States, is from starch crops, like corn. Starch consists of glucose molecules strung together. Thus one must break down the starch into glucose, an easy process using water. Sugars are also locked up in lignocellulosic materials but they are much harder to access and some of the sugars are harder to ferment using current microbes. The word 'lignocellulosic' describes the three material components of the cell walls of plants: lignin, hemicellulose, cellulose. The proportions can vary significantly. For agricultural residue like straw or stover the breakdown is approximately: 35% cellulose; 35% hemicellulose; 15% lignin; 15% other. Lignin is the portion of plants that is the ancestor of coal. It is a complex substance that supplies a good deal of the structural strength to the plant. It has relatively few current uses. When making paper, lignin is removed from the wood using strong acids. Lignin is not converted into sugars. Hemicellulose is a substance with many branches. It cross links with the lignin to create a complex web of bonds. Hemicellulose is comprised primarily of sugars that have five carbon (C5) atoms (e.g. xylose, arabinose). When treated with dilute sulfuric acid, hemicellulose readily reacts with water (hydrolysis) to produce these sugars. Currently C5 sugars are not converted into ethanol. Finding microbes that can do so is a very high priority for companies and may be the key to making ethanol from lignocellulosic materials competitive with ethanol from starch crops. Cellulose, the third component of cell walls, consists of a long chain of glucose molecules. A concentrated sulfuric acid often is used to access cellulose's sugars. Microbes are readily available to convert these sugars into ethanol. Ethanol was first made from cellulose wood pulp during World Wars I and II using a dilute acid hydrolysis process. But the starch-to-ethanol process has proven more competitive. Lignocellulosic feedstocks are cheaper than starch or sugar feedstocks: $30-35 per ton versus some $80 per ton for crops such as corn. But lignocellulose-to-ethanol facilities are more capital intensive than starch-to-ethanol facilities. Moreover, corn based ethanol facilities produce valuable byproducts (e.g. high protein animal feed) worth, on average, about $38 a ton, thereby reducing the cost of ethanol. The only current large-market for the byproduct of lignocellulose-to-ethanol manufacturing (lignin and hemicellulose) is as a low value fuel to generate steam or electricity. Several technologies are competing in the lignocellulose-to-ethanol area. The first out of the gate uses concentrated or dilute sulfuric acid to break down the cellulose and hemicellulose into sugars. This process is called acid hydrolysis. The economics of acid hydrolysis improve when cellulosic materials are available at a very low cost. The Masada Resource Group plans to build a waste-cellulose-to-ethanol facility in Middletown, New York. The 'tip fee' or fee paid to Masada for garbage unloaded at its facility may be as much as $75 per ton. The revenue from the tip fee plus the additional revenue from sale of recycled materials in the front end of the facility offsets its higher capital cost. Because it is a high temperature, high pressure process that relies on strong acids, it requires a significant capital investment, raising its cost. According to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) the acid hydrolysis process currently costs $1.20-1.30 per gallon of ethanol produced and only modest cost reductions are predicted. The second technology entrepreneurs are betting on uses biological
Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD
one minor correction. The stoichiometry of the reaction is one lipid molecule plus three molecules of methanol afford three fatty acid methyl esters plus one glycerin molecule, not three as implied. Glycerin has three connection points for the fatty acid chains. 1 triglyceride + 3 MeOH --- 3 FAME + 1 glycerin Keith Addison wrote: Hello all, Maybe a silly question, They say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. Not sure about silly answers though ... But we aren't chemists and lots of other people also aren't chemists, so let's see what we can make of it and if it's silly maybe a kindly chemist will help us out. but I cannot figure out how it works really. As far as I understand, veg.oil exists out of a glycerol + 3 fatty acids, like a head with 3 legs. I think make it three heads with their arms linked. During the BD proces, we break off the legs, using NaOH, and connect a methanol molecule on each leg. They break off one by one: triglycerides become di-glycerides (two legs) plus an alkyl ester (one leg), one molecule of glycerin drops out. Then the di-glycerides become mono-glycerides (one leg) plus another alkyl ester and another molecule of glycerin drops out. The mono-glycerides then become alkyl esters and a third molecule of glycerin drops out. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Hemp oil
Steve, I was researching hemp as a topic for an ASME presentation a couple of years ago because natural fibers from hemp and other plants are being used in place of fiberglass as an engineering material. To my knowledge, hemp cannot be grown or imported into the United States. It puts us at a huge disadvantage because of the thousands of uses for the plant, its seeds and oils. You might remember Ralph Nader criticizing the government for its ban on hemp that does more harm than good. Germany has a flourishing hemp industry because a mandate from the German government requires that cars become increasingly friendly to the environment, not just with emissions, but with recycling as well. The next time you take a ride in a new Volkswagen, look at the interior. It will be a natural fiber composite made from hemp. One of the leading experts on hemp in Canada is Geoff Kime. Any Google search that includes his name will probably yield some useful information. Mike Steve Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question that I have been debating with a biology teacher. Is Hemp illegal to grow in the US. If it is not, where is it grown and what are the exceptions to being allowed to grow it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hemp oil I won't vouch for the accuracy, but the numbers don't seem unreasonable Iodine Value: 166.5 http://www.ganjaland.com/oil.htm JanWarnqvist wrote: Hwllo everybody. Does anybody know of a good average iodine number for hemp oil ? AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hemp oil
5 to 20 years with time off for good behavior?;-) Greg H. - Original Message - From: JanWarnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 01:28 Subject: [Biofuel] Hemp oil Hwllo everybody. Does anybody know of a good average iodine number for hemp oil ? AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
