Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Yes, on behalf of government agencies and universities. The original internet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:33 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet John Mullan wrote: I don't like the flimsy excuse give by that Telecom guy why should they use our pipes for free. Wasn't all of that infrastructure built on the backs of rate payers anyway? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Here's the 'Hacker' entry in Eric Raymond's The Hackers Dictionary (aka the jargon file): http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html Having been deep in that world for a while now, I see today's hacker community as a highly heterogeneous community with a variety of views revolving around knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights (primarily as these relate to software and systems, but hey, "freedom" frequently looks similar in different contexts, and "bio-diesel hacker" should be a very honorable description for someone making bio-diesel and thus defending one's freedom to not use fossil fuel). Notice that the sense of "malicious meddler" for "hacker" has been deprecated (obsolete) and demoted to 8th place in the THD entry for hacker (but retained for historical reasons). So the rogue elements are not really part of the hacker community. THD is maintained by "hackers", so this can be considered a self-fulfilling assessment. Our definition of the hacker community can be as loose as we want, but as long as the basic elements of knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights are included in it, it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). Hakuna matata. Chandan Michael Redler wrote: ... "Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?)" I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy)can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world. The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. "sticking it to the 'man'"), feel a sense of community and pride. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpoweris somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups. One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Deadly Bird Flu Found in Nigeria
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1105AP_Nigeria_Bird_Flu.html Deadly bird flu found in Nigeria By DULUE MBACHU, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 8, 10:22 AM ET LAGOS, Nigeria -- The deadly H5N1 bird flu virus has been detected on a large commercial chicken farm in Nigeria - the first reported outbreak in Africa, the World Organization for Animal Health said Wednesday. The outbreak appears to be restricted to birds, and no human infections have been reported, the Paris-based organization said. Nigeria said the outbreak was on a farm in Jaji, a village in the northern state of Kaduna. Agriculture Minister Adamu Bello told reporters in Abuja that the deadly strain of the virus was detected in samples taken Jan. 16 from birds on the farm. We are dealing with a new continent, said Alex Thiermann, an expert for the World Organization for Animal Health, known as the OIE, told The Associated Press. Bird flu began ravaging poultry stocks across Asia in 2003, forcing the slaughter of more than 100 million birds and jumping to humans. The World Health Organization has confirmed 88 deaths from bird flu out of a total of 165 cases of human infection. Almost all the cases have been in Asia, but the disease recently has been detected in Europe and the Middle East. Though all the people who contracted the disease so far are believed to have been infected through contact with sick birds, experts are concerned the disease could mutate into a form easily spread from human to human, potentially triggering a global pandemic. Experts have long been concerned about Africa's ability to deal with a bird flu outbreak. Thiermann noted that some African countries have very weak veterinary systems. Thiermann said all 46,000 birds on the Nigerian farm have been killed and their bodies disposed of, and Nigerian authorities have banned the movement of birds and people from the farm. Officials also are investigating whether birds were transferred to other farms in the past 21 days, and they, too, are being quarantined, he said. We feel that they are doing everything they can and they certainly need help, he said. Additional protective clothing was being moved Wednesday from Senegal to Nigeria, he said. Experts had suspected that migrating wild birds could spread the disease to Africa, said Thiermann, noting that Nigeria is on a major flyway. A laboratory in Padua, Italy, identified the H5N1 strain in the Nigerian birds, OIE said in a statement. It added further tests were being carried out to determine how closely the Nigerian strain matched the H5N1 strain detected elsewhere in the world. The Italian Health Ministry said the bird flu strain is very similar to those found in Siberia and Mongolia. The OIE said it was working with the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization to coordinate a common response to this event. A team of experts to assess and provide technical advice will leave for Nigeria toward the end of this week, said Thiermann, who is a special adviser to the OIE's director. Health officials had feared a deadly bird flu virus could enter impoverished, loosely governed African regions, where many people raise chickens at home for personal consumption. Nigerian officials said Wednesday that initial tests on chickens that mysteriously died in Kano, a state neighboring Kaduna, showed no signs of bird flu. Salihu Jibrin, head of the state's livestock department said at least 60,000 birds have died in Kano state in recent weeks. Tests were ongoing. Nigerian authorities nevertheless urged farmers to monitor their flocks and report strange ailments to authorities. Kano set up a committee of veterinary surgeons to visit farms and watch out for evidence of a bird flu outbreak after some poultry farms reported large-scale bird deaths last week. Large-scale poultry farms aside, many Nigerian families live in close quarters with chickens and other fowl, which are an important food source. The birds generally are kept with other domestic animals at night but are allowed to roam freely during the day. Controlling the spread of the virus could be particularly difficult in Africa, where central governments often exert little control in far-flung rural areas most likely to have people keeping fowl in their homes. ___ Associated Press reporter John Leicester in Paris contributed to this report. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Good point Chandan.I guess I'm a hacker too.MikeChandan Haldar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the 'Hacker' entry in Eric Raymond's The Hackers Dictionary (aka the jargon file):http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.htmlHaving been deep in that world for a while now, I see today's hacker community as a highly heterogeneous community with a variety of views revolving around knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights (primarily as these relate to software and systems, but hey, "freedom" frequently looks similar in different contexts, and "bio-diesel hacker" should be a very honorable description for someone making bio-diesel and thus defending one's freedom to not use fossil fuel).Notice that the sense of "malicious meddler" for "hacker" has been deprecated (obsolete) and demoted to 8th place in the THD entry for hacker (but retained for historical reasons). So the rogue elements are not really part of the hacker community. THD is maintained by "hackers", so this can be considered a self-fulfilling assessment. Our definition of the hacker community can be as loose as we want, but as long as the basic elements of knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights are included in it, it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). Hakuna matata.ChandanMichael Redler wrote: ... "Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?)" I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy)can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world.The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. "sticking it to the 'man'"), feel a sense of community and pride. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpoweris somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups.One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets.Mike___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Termites, global warming
Greetings, Well the thought is close, but it is much easier to hook that pipe up to a methane digester, that the human toilets feed, then use the effluent to create compost. A man by the name of Arun on [EMAIL PROTECTED] has figured out that if we saved all the humanure in the world, we would not need the fertilizer companies. I have personally seen a system where the toilet feeds directly to a digester under the house, which provides the cooking gas, then the effluent goes into the compost pile. I am not too sure I want a methane digester under my house, but it would sure beat hauling buckets. We have the technology and all the information we need to fix the problem. What we don't have is the will to actually make real changes in how we live. Our sanitized world will kill us yet. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:05 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: Maybe someone should tell Gorge W this it seems simple if we could just hook up hoses to the rear ends of all the cattle we gas could power our electrical generators. This would be much better than going back to the future with nuc power. Just a sarcastic thought. - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Easy big fella. You may be in violation of the patriot act with that admission! What are your coordinates. Joe Michael Redler wrote: Good point Chandan. I guess I'm a hacker too. Mike Chandan Haldar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the 'Hacker' entry in Eric Raymond's The Hackers Dictionary (aka the jargon file): http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html Having been deep in that world for a while now, I see today's hacker community as a highly heterogeneous community with a variety of views revolving around knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights (primarily as these relate to software and systems, but hey, "freedom" frequently looks similar in different contexts, and "bio-diesel hacker" should be a very honorable description for someone making bio-diesel and thus defending one's freedom to not use fossil fuel). Notice that the sense of "malicious meddler" for "hacker" has been deprecated (obsolete) and demoted to 8th place in the THD entry for hacker (but retained for historical reasons). So the rogue elements are not really part of the hacker community. THD is maintained by "hackers", so this can be considered a self-fulfilling assessment. Our definition of the hacker community can be as loose as we want, but as long as the basic elements of knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights are included in it, it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). Hakuna matata. Chandan Michael Redler wrote: ... "Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?)" I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy)can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world. The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. "sticking it to the 'man'"), feel a sense of community and pride. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpoweris somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups. One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Termites, global warming
Termites aiding global warming? They have a lot of help from the flatulant cows in California's Sam Joaquin Valley.Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings,Well the thought is close, but it is much easier to hook that pipe up to a methane digester, that the human toilets feed, then use the effluent to create compost. A man by the name of Arun on [EMAIL PROTECTED] has figured out that if we saved all the humanure in the world, we would not need the fertilizer companies.I have personally seen a system where the toilet feeds directly to a digester under the house, which provides the cooking gas, then the effluent goes into the compost pile. I am not too sure I want a methane digester under my house, but it would sure beat hauling buckets.We have the technology and all the information we need to fix the problem. What we don't have is the will to actually make real changes in how we live. Our sanitized world will kill us yet.Bright Blessings,KimAt 08:05 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote:Maybe someone should tell Gorge W this it seems simple if we could just hookup hoses to the rear ends of all the cattle we gas could power ourelectrical generators. This would be much better than going back to thefuture with nuc power.Just a sarcastic thought.-___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Net: Enemy of the State [was] The End of the Internet
This article goes back a while but, since it didn't show up in the archives and it's related to recent discussions, I thought I should post it.Mike__http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,21240,00.htmlThe Net: Enemy of the State? by Heather McCabe Heather McCabe | 1999-08-12 08:40:00.0 PARIS -- Twenty nations all but bar the Internet from their borders out of fear that the medium is a threat to either national security or the social order, a French media organization said in a report released earlier this week. The report, released by Reporters Sans Frontières, also found that 45 countries "severely restrict" the Internet by forcing users to either filter content, subscribe to a state-run ISP, or register with authorities. Robert Menard, director of Reporters Sans Frontières, said that while the current outlook is grim, the situation regarding Internet freedom is improving in some of these countries. "Two years ago, the list would have been much longer," Menard said. "Taken as a whole, things are getting better both in terms of freedom of the press and for the Internet." The list focuses on the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus, including Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. Also on the list: Belarus, Burma, China, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, and Vietnam. People in Iraq, North Korea, and Libya don't have the right to use the Internet at all, while Burma's government is slightly more lenient. The Burmese government has a monopoly on Net access, and a 1996 law in that nation requires anyone with a computer to register it with the government. Those who do not risk 15 years in prison. Menard said that the situation is gradually improving in some countries, as governments and citizens realize the economic potential of the Internet. In Malaysia and Singapore, for example, authorities are finding it increasingly difficult to block illicit sites. Of course, there are always ways to get around censorship: encoding, going through anonymity servers such as Freedom, and connecting via GSM cellular phones with built-in encryption. In Cuba, where the government keeps tight reigns on all media, 10 independent and illegal news agencies regularly dispatch their reports to Miami, where they are posted tothe Web. But circumventing the law can have serious consequences, as Mario Viera of the news agency Cuba Verdad discovered in October 1998. After one of Viera's articles went up on a US-based Cubanet site, a foreign ministry official filed a complaint against the journalist. Viera is now awaiting trial and could face an 18-month prison sentence. Fourteen of the list's 20 countries have already signed the United Nations' International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Article 19 of the covenant protects freedom of information, stipulating that "everyone shall have the right ... to receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers." Reporters Sans Frontières calls on the remaining six countries (Burma, China, Cuba, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, and Tajikistan) to sign the covenant, and for all of the countries to respect its spirit. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Hey, I heard that the secret service filters words from email traffic and may categorize you based on the content of your messages. So,in the spirit of domestic spying...Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Infidel InfidelInfidel InfidelInfidel InfidelInfidel InfidelFried, green tomatoes! Rock'em, Sock'em Robots We all live in a Yellow Submarine!!There, that's get'em goin':-)Mike Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy big fella. You may be in violation of the patriot act with that admission!What are your coordinates.JoeMichael Redler wrote:Good point Chandan.I guess I'm a hacker too.MikeChandan Haldar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the 'Hacker' entry in Eric Raymond's The Hackers Dictionary (aka the jargon file):http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.htmlHaving been deep in that world for a while now, I see today's hacker community as a highly heterogeneous community with a variety of views revolving around knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights (primarily as these relate to software and systems, but hey, "freedom" frequently looks similar in different contexts, and "bio-diesel hacker" should be a very honorable description for someone making bio-diesel and thus defending one's freedom to not use fossil fuel).Notice that the sense of "malicious meddler" for "hacker" has been deprecated (obsolete) and demoted to 8th place in the THD entry for hacker (but retained for historical reasons). So the rogue elements are not really part of the hacker community. THD is maintained by "hackers", so this can be considered a self-fulfilling assessment. Our definition of the hacker community can be as loose as we want, but as long as the basic elements of knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights are included in it, it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). Hakuna matata.ChandanMichael Redler wrote: ... "Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?)" I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy)can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world.The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. "sticking it to the 'man'"), feel a sense of community and pride. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpoweris somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups.One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets.Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel
While on the topic.. Are there any reports on emissions from E85/B20 vehicles - CO, CO2, PM10/PM2.5? Sarath On 2/3/06, Andrew Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would welcome correct where due if I'm wrong, but vehicles currentlybeing marketed (barring FFVs) aren't fully suited to either ethanol or biodiesel.With ethanol, there are the dual issues of not enough compression in astandard gas engine to make the most of ethanol, and corrossion issuesin the fuel system as well with some materials.I believe low-temperature starting may also be an issue.With biodiesel, there is the issue of the fuel acting as a solvent andcorroding rubber gaskets and seals in the fuel line (when run at highconcentrations or as B100).Admittedly, this is only one issue, but is still a serious one.Overall, however, is the fact that the vast majority of personalvehicles (in North America, anyway) run on gasoline.Our dieselofferings are pretty limited in terms of passenger vehicles (ie., excluding pickup trucks and other work vehicles).While I believebiodiesel is a great for the transportation industry (buses, trucks,trains, off-highway equipment, etc.) its penetration into the consumermarket is limited by the penetration of the diesel. Oh, one last point... the media may be driven by the fact that ethanoldirectly helps agriculture.Yes, biodiesel does as well, but theethanol/corn relationship is being heavily marketed, at least every time I hear about vehicular ethanol.Andrew NethertonOn 2/3/06, anna b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious as to why ethynol has dominated the recent discussion in main stream media of alternative fuels.The way I see it biodiesel is already available as are diesel cars to use it. Does anyone know of any studies that compare the cost and environmental impacts of ethynol vs biodiesel? Anyone have any knowlege as to why ethynol totally dominates the discussion in the main stream media? Thanks! Anna ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Hello Chandan Here's the 'Hacker' entry in Eric Raymond's The Hackers Dictionary (aka the jargon file): http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.htmlhttp://www.catb.o rg/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html Having been deep in that world for a while now, I see today's hacker community as a highly heterogeneous community with a variety of views revolving around knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights (primarily as these relate to software and systems, but hey, freedom frequently looks similar in different contexts, and bio-diesel hacker should be a very honorable description for someone making bio-diesel and thus defending one's freedom to not use fossil fuel). Good! Notice that the sense of malicious meddler for hacker has been deprecated (obsolete) and demoted to 8th place in the THD entry for hacker (but retained for historical reasons). So the rogue elements are not really part of the hacker community. THD is maintained by hackers, so this can be considered a self-fulfilling assessment. Our definition of the hacker community can be as loose as we want, but as long as the basic elements of knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights are included in it, it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). Hakuna matata. Chandan Nicely put, Chandan. Re malicious meddler though, I think that's still the public perception, bit of wishful thinking Raymond's placing it 8th. It's one of the reasons he published the hard-copy version of The New Hackers Dictionary. One of my major objectives in seeing the Jargon File published on paper is to help the general public to get a truer and more positive image of hackers than they seem to have now. ... it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. Other than the tools they use. The CIA and other national equivalents, the military, the corporate sector, their servants in the PR sector (eg Bivings), and I'm sure I've missed a few, all use people with these skills using these tools, but I'd agree that's where the similarity ends. The Biofuel list was attacked by hackers of the establishment ilk a couple of years ago when we were still at Yahoo. They almost succeeded in destroying it, which was certainly the aim. It was quite clear what had happened and why. They left a trail, possibly intentionally, but they made some mistakes as well, they were overconfident, and we managed to save the list as a result (well, we'd taken some precautions too). Totally thuggish behaviour, ugly people. (I don't want to say any more about it than that right now so please don't ask for details.) If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). That's much my feeling, from what I know of them. Your confidence is reassuring. Thanks for the term post-modern hacker community, and for the distinction. I certainly agree that they're a part of the other superpower, a most important part considering how vital the Internet is to the coherence of the movement, and to its effectiveness. I agree with the without fail bit too, I'd back them against the corps and the CIA any time. Best Keith Hakuna matata. Michael Redler wrote: ... Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?) I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy) can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world. The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. sticking it to the 'man'), feel a sense of community and pride. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpower is somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups. One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Hello Mike Keith, Your last paragraph really jumped out at me for two reasons: Except that the Internet keeps growing and spreading and getting faster and better and ever more firmly rooted in all our societies. These are some of the most encouraging words I've read in a while on this subject. I always wanted to believe it. I had the information to back a position on it but, what I really like is when there is consensus on it. I also like that. :-) But indeed the information is there to back it. Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?) I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy) can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world. Most interesting, both in the similarities and in the differences. I also find it interesting that it seems to behave almost like a sort of collective biological organism as well in some ways at least. With viruses and immunity, for an obvious example. The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. sticking it to the 'man'), feel a sense of community and pride. A paper about hackers by Dorothy E. Denning of Digital Equipment Corp., presented at the 13th National Computer Security Conference in 1990, said: A diffuse group of people often called hackers has been characterized as unethical, irresponsible, and a serious danger to society for actions related to breaking into computer systems. This paper attempts to construct a picture of hackers, their concerns, and the discourse in which hacking takes place. My initial findings suggest that hackers are learners and explorers who want to help rather than cause damage, and who often have very high standards of behavior. My findings also suggest that the discourse surrounding hacking belongs at the very least to the gray areas between larger conflicts that we are experiencing at every level of society and business in an information age where many are not computer literate. These conflicts are between the idea that information cannot be owned and the idea that it can, and between law enforcement and the First and Fourth Amendments. Hackers have raised serious issues about values and practices in an information society Just about anyone who investigates hackers seriously comes to similar conclusions. But you don't see people saying stuff like that about spooks too often. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpower is somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups. They do, but I think they're much more interesting than that, and looking at it that way might obscure the view. For instance, many of them are anarchists. One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets. I investigated the hacker community about 12 years ago when I was asked to write an article about a New York hacker named Phiber Optik (Mark Abene) who'd just got out of jail. I found a lot of good background stuff and managed to track him down, but he wouldn't talk to anyone right then. I came across some other people I knew about too, such as John Draper, aka the great Captain Crunch. It was Captain Crunch and his Blue Box that put hackers (fone phreaks) on the map in the first place with a famous article published by Esquire in October 1971, Secrets of the Little Blue Box by Ron Rosenbaum. I remembered him from reading the Esquire article at the time. He told me he really hated the article, he said it was all wrong. It amused me though that he didn't have a copy of it, and asked me to send it to him, which I did. You can find it here, it's a good read (16,000 words total): http://www.totse.com/en/phreak/phone_phun/phrkman.html totse.com | The Offical Phreakers Manual v1.1, 1987 II.1 033 Secrets of the Little Blue Box. Part 1 II.2 041 Secrets of the Little Blue Box. Part 2 II.3 050 Secrets of the Little Blue Box. Part 3 II.4 058 Secrets of the Little Blue Box. Part 4 Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs and others were also involved in all this, on the fringes. Captain Crunch worked for them later at Apple, he wrote EasyWriter, the first word processor for the Apple II. It was a perfect coding environment, coding in jail, he said. LOL! Actually he met Wozniak et al via the Esquire article, so he shouldn't complain too much. Captain Crunch also built things like the Tron Box, which makes your electricity meter go backwards. It works, I've seen a Tron Box making an
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
and a bomb, bomb IED suicide osama hate to you too. Michael Redler wrote: Hey, I heard that the secret service filters words from email traffic and may categorize you based on the content of your messages. So, in the spirit of domestic spying... Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Jihad Infidel Infidel Infidel Infidel Infidel Infidel Infidel Infidel Fried, green tomatoes! Rock'em, Sock'em Robots We all live in a Yellow Submarine!! /There, that's get'em goin'/ :-) Mike */Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Easy big fella. You may be in violation of the patriot act with that admission! What are your coordinates. Joe Michael Redler wrote: Good point Chandan. I guess I'm a hacker too. Mike */Chandan Haldar [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Here's the 'Hacker' entry in Eric Raymond's The Hackers Dictionary (aka the jargon file): http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html Having been deep in that world for a while now, I see today's hacker community as a highly heterogeneous community with a variety of views revolving around knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights (primarily as these relate to software and systems, but hey, freedom frequently looks similar in different contexts, and bio-diesel hacker should be a very honorable description for someone making bio-diesel and thus defending one's freedom to not use fossil fuel). Notice that the sense of malicious meddler for hacker has been deprecated (obsolete) and demoted to 8th place in the THD entry for hacker (but retained for historical reasons). So the rogue elements are not really part of the hacker community. THD is maintained by hackers, so this can be considered a self-fulfilling assessment. Our definition of the hacker community can be as loose as we want, but as long as the basic elements of knowledge, creativity, freedom, and individual rights are included in it, it should be very hard to find similarities between the post-modern hacker community with a beast like the CIA. If anyone tries to throttle the internet to death, the hacker community will create workarounds quickly and without fail (an instance of the second superpower defending itself against unprovoked aggression). Hakuna matata. Chandan Michael Redler wrote: ... */Would you include the hacker community in the Second Superpower? (Or do they all work for the CIA these days?) /* I find it extremely interesting how a society which is developing on an entirely different plane (and without any political hierarchy) can so closely resemble one which we are so accustomed to in the physical world. The hacker community has taken on behaviors which also resemble those of the CIA (for example). Both act on a certain ideology, are motivated largely by a resistance to be controlled (i.e. sticking it to the 'man'), feel a sense of community and pride. Last but not least, the intelligence community of every superpower is somewhat troubled by various rogue elements. I don't want to portray hackers as people I admire - only as people who show familiar patterns of behavior when looked at in groups. One of my favorite examples is how they collectively express their position on Microsoft and during the earlier days of the Internet, how so many government and large corporations were the main targets. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
[Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:26:10 -0500Subject: [renewable-energy] Mercury Levels Rising: Report ReleaseFellow enviros,For almost two years, we've been gathering hair samples from Greenpeace supporters across the country. On February 8, we released the results of our nationwide mercury study, http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/mercury-report and the results are alarming. Over *one in five* women of childbearing age tested above the limit the Environmental Protection Agency set as safe.The even more chilling news is that earlier this year in his State of the Union speech http://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to Congress, President Bush called for more energy investment in dirty fossil fuels, including coal, the largest source of mercury pollution in the country.Tell Congress that America doesn't need more coal and mercury http://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to be spewed into our environment, our waterways and our bodies. A healthy, sustainable energy futures begins with increased investments in clean, renewable energy, not dirty fossil fuels.Best,NickGreenpeacewww.greenpeaceusa.org[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]==THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY LIST.--. Please feel free to send your input to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Join the list by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED].. To view previous messages from the list, subscribe to a daily digest of the list, or stop receiving the list by e-mail (and read it on the Web), go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/list/renewable-energy . . This e-mail discussion list is managed by the American Wind Energy Association: http://www.awea.org--Association: http://www.awea.org--___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
keep you hand on your wallet and run. yes, they are a complete, and somehow effective con. There is something about magnets that gets people with surprising frequency Tim Hadland wrote: Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] sodium sulfate decahydrate (phase change material for solar thermal storage) ?
Does anyone know where you can buy Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate decahydrate) for use in phase change solar thermal storage? I've been able to find lots about it's chemical characteristics, but none on who might sell it any more Thanks Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Hi Tim At 50 pounds currency and 36 grams weight for the magnets it is definitely a rip off but polarization is not with out scientific merit. Highly polarized fuel will combine with air better with obvious results but a 36 gram magnet would not polarize much fuel. Russel - Original Message - From: Tim Hadland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
I just wanted to chime in very quickly about the hacker mentality and ethic. In theory, hackers hack to make things better. Security, speed, effeciency, clock cycles, whatever. I just heard a story on NPR tonight about prius hackers who have doubled the effeciency of their Prius's by adding additional batteries and a plug-in. I'm digressing.. Red boxes, blue boxes, tron boxes...home cable descramblers...it's a rocky path. I used to use a red box while I was away at college to call my friends, still have about 6 of them, haha. When radio shack stopped selling tone dialers I bought all their remaining stock. I did it because I was poor, and stealing from the man seemed legitimate. The man had lots of money, and was so automated he couldn't tell the difference between a quarter and the tone I generated. We experimented with one of the boxes that prevents the line voltage from dropping when you pick up a call too, although our use was to prevent telemarketers from being able to hang up. I've recently done a lot of thinking about how FEW people do the thinking for SO MANY. From law makers to engineers, whatever. However, with people like the EFF (electronic frontier foundation) floating around, I don't believe that we're in true danger of losing our internet, per se. If anything, I see it becoming LESS centralized, and LESS controlled. The MPAA/RIAA are fighting a losing battle against a community that's consistently outpacing them in terms of privacy and anonymity. To a google search on Tor, I use it personally. The main point for me I guess is that the fattest pipes out there are NOT on american soil, and the technology is NOT american. I don't doubt anyone's desire to inflict greater control or profit margin on American internet access, I just don't see it happening any time soon. True privacy on the internet is a fallacy anyway, but not even Google will listen to the government telling it not to put satellite imagery of bases, etc, up free on googleearth. Pakistan and India are suingbut...who? It takes about 6 months for a pharmacy lab to learn to copy someone else's drug. It took 72 hours to break the DRM on iTunes. It took 24 hours to break the ultimately encrypted dvd encryption. It took 12 hours to break Arista's new CD protection scheme. It took 6 hours to break sony's illegal DRM. Fear not fellow subverts, the underground will keep us safe. Sort of. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 330 miles to the gallon?
Hi Bob They say they have a solid business plan. :-) http://pesn.com/2006/01/21/9600227_Accelerated_Composits_330MPG_car/ 330 MPG Uber Hybrid? The Aptera prototype, which is halfway to completion... Accelerated Composites' website features computer graphics and Aptera Construction Pictures showing some plywood forms. http://www.acceleratedcomposites.com/downloads.php They're after investment. Remains to be seen if it'll fly or die or they'll just waste investment money ironing out all the kinks they maybe should have ironed out first before making all those claims to attract investors. Best kn Hi All, Urban myths are forever in the making. This little snippet from Econews should add to the genre. A visit to the url isn't much help either. Regards, Bob. Making Awesome Cars A Reality http://www.acceleratedcomposites.com/about.html This concept car is amazing! It is a 2-seat, 3-wheel serial (bio)diesel hybrid called the Aptera: It achieves 330 miles per gallon (0.7 liter/100 kilometers!) in normal city and highway driving, has a 0.055-0.06 coefficient of drag (much lower than even the best current hybrids, and even than other cool prototypes like the http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/06/daimlerchrysler.php70 mpg Boxfish diesel hybrid by DaimlerChrysler) and a projected price of less than $20,000. Specs? Weighs 850 lbs, made almost entirely of lightweight composites, 0-60 mph in 11 seconds, top speed of 95 mph. Great uh? Go direct to http://www.acceleratedcomposites.com/about.html::Accelerated Composites http://www.ecostore.co.nzwww.ecostore.co.nz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
