Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
GNU Emacs has this nice little diversion in its mail handling facility: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/Mail-Amusements.html#Mail-Amusements Some samples of what it can automatically add to the end of a mail is at the end of this mail. Joe, sorry to disappoint uncle S, but I didn't write that and I don't live in patriot act territory either. The bottomline is as Keith has summarized nicely already. A good way of looking at the post-modern hacker community is as the IT dept of the second superpower. May the force be with them. :-) Cheers. Chandan unclassified Roswell Indigo FSF kilo class bce Comirex Steve Case SWAT clones ANDVT explosion Aldergrove S Key S Box JFK BATF passwd MD5 Crypto AG Jiang Zemin ANDVT Craig Livingstone Juiliett Class Submarine JPL Chobetsu CIDA Ortega explosion high security AGT. AMME industrial intelligence UOP jihad broadside COSCO Comirex sniper ISEC militia offensive information warfare Ceridian bootleg JSOFC3IP government ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
I must quickly add that I didn't mean to suggest using Emacs for email. It was a great mail env once for text based email, but probably won't be suitable for normal email usage today (with html, graphics, attachments, etc). Chandan Chandan Haldar wrote: GNU Emacs has this nice little diversion in its mail handling facility: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/Mail-Amusements.html#Mail-Amusements Some samples of what it can automatically add to the end of a mail is at the end of this mail. Joe, sorry to disappoint uncle S, but I didn't write that and I don't live in patriot act territory either. The bottomline is as Keith has summarized nicely already. A good way of looking at the post-modern hacker community is as the IT dept of the second superpower. May the force be with them. :-) Cheers. Chandan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Howdy Russel, R Heron wrote: Hi Tim At 50 pounds currency and 36 grams weight for the magnets it is definitely a rip off but polarization is not with out scientific merit. do you have data to support this claim? How do you polarize the fuel, a hydrocarbon with essentially no dipole moment? Highly polarized fuel will combine with air better with obvious results but a 36 gram magnet would not polarize much fuel. Russel - Original Message - From: Tim Hadland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Houston Chronicle article: Electric power is facing a triple whammy
Saw this in this morning's paper. This is the ONLY major paper distributed in Houston and is read here and in many surrounding areas... in other words.. by millions. -Mark http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/3648988.html Feb. 9, 2006, 10:10PM CERAWEEK Electric power is facing a triple whammy High fuel cost, antiquated grid and emissions trouble industry By LYNN J. COOK Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle Something's got to give. Americans use electricity for everything from computers to can openers, and the country's voracious appetite for energy shows no signs of being sated. Yet the American power industry is plagued with a trifecta of problems - from high natural gas prices to a balkanized transmission grid and those problematic carbon dioxide emissions. No clear-cut, easy answers were on hand at CERAWeek 2006. Today is as foggy as it's ever been in our industry, James Rogers, Cinergy Corp.'s chairman and CEO, told attendees at Thursday's Cambridge Energy Research Associates' conference in Houston. The one solution echoed again and again by executives and CERA analysts was investment in infrastructure, from poles and wires to new nuclear power plants. We've got to get the investment climate right, now, said Lawrence Makovich, managing director of CERA's Global Power Group. CERA released a study on Thursday warning that the power sector's level of investment to meet future demand is dangerously low. The electric power industry's preoccupation with passing through its biggest single-year fuel increases in history is creating a strong chance that U.S. power markets will not be able to successfully address resource adequacy, resulting in power shortages in some areas of the country within the next five years, Makovich said. Costs for the fuels for power plant generation, such as coal and natural gas, now account for one-third of the cost of producing electricity. Fuel costs increased from $68 billion in 2004 to $90 billion in 2005, according to CERA. 'Hybrid companies' Makovich pushed the concept of hybrid companies that diversify the kinds of fuels they use to generate power. Unfortunately, we do not see a large number of companies following this sort of sound strategic process, he said. In fact, a recent CERA survey of top power company executives says a significant number of them misinterpret or just ignore information they should be carefully considering when planning for expansion. This weakness in an environment of price shocks, fuel volatility and regulatory uncertainty is the recipe for continued boom and bust cycles in the power industry, Makovich said. CERA's study shows that 83 percent of executives at more than 35 North American power companies are not confident the current market structure will be able to provide adequate generation supply when needed. So what power generation fix will be financed in the future? Alex Urquhart, president and CEO of GE Energy Financial Services, sees billions being spent on mostly coal-fired plants, with natural gas, nuclear power and renewables thrown in. Comeback by Dynegy Urquhart said with so much of the world's natural gas stranded outside the U.S., you've got to believe coal is a big part of our future. Dynegy's power plant portfolio, for example, includes many coal-fired generators - a point CEO Bruce Williamson is proud of. Williamson has spent the last three years bringing Dynegy back from the brink of financial disaster after the company followed a little too closely in Enron's trading and marketing footsteps. They didn't make any money in trading and marketing. That's the dirty little secret, Williamson said. We make money when we have good assets just like oil companies make their real money not by trading oil but by having low-cost wells. Williamson said he's not interested in Dynegy owning nuclear power plants, but Makovich insists the public perception surrounding them is changing for the better. Walter Higgins, chairman and CEO of Sierra Pacific Resources, the fastest-growing utility in the country thanks to Nevada's swelling population and economy, said no nuclear plant will ever be built in his state. But he also said consumers - both individuals and small businesses - repeatedly ask him why new nuclear power isn't being built in the face of such high natural gas prices. People seem to think it's 'safe enough' even if they don't like it, he said, adding that before any new construction could go forward, spent fuel disposal at Yucca Mountain would have to be addressed. Cinergy's Rogers is more skeptical. Policy-makers and companies are embracing it, but there are still so many questions, and Yucca Mountain is just one, he said. Public opinion turned on a dime after Three Mile Island. When you start actually permitting ... and turning dirt in a specific neighborhood on one of these things, then we'll find out if public opinion has changed. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Biofuel] Houston Chronicle article: Electric power is facing a triple whammy
Mark, It is easy, since oil, natural gas and nuclear all reach its peak now and are depleting with only a few decades left as useful common energy sources. US have a third of the world coal reserves and a couple of hundreds years of current use, it is the only fossil reserve that have a larger amount of years left. Coal and renewable will be the only alternatives that are still standing. For energy corporations, coal and nuclear are the only alternative left that needs centralized traditional distribution. That is why you see the traditional industry and their representatives (like Bush) desperately pushes for coal and nuclear. Hakan At 14:55 10/02/2006, you wrote: Saw this in this morning's paper. This is the ONLY major paper distributed in Houston and is read here and in many surrounding areas... in other words.. by millions. -Mark http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/3648988.html Feb. 9, 2006, 10:10PM CERAWEEK Electric power is facing a triple whammy High fuel cost, antiquated grid and emissions trouble industry By LYNN J. COOK Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle Something's got to give. Americans use electricity for everything from computers to can openers, and the country's voracious appetite for energy shows no signs of being sated. Yet the American power industry is plagued with a trifecta of problems - from high natural gas prices to a balkanized transmission grid and those problematic carbon dioxide emissions. No clear-cut, easy answers were on hand at CERAWeek 2006. Today is as foggy as it's ever been in our industry, James Rogers, Cinergy Corp.'s chairman and CEO, told attendees at Thursday's Cambridge Energy Research Associates' conference in Houston. The one solution echoed again and again by executives and CERA analysts was investment in infrastructure, from poles and wires to new nuclear power plants. We've got to get the investment climate right, now, said Lawrence Makovich, managing director of CERA's Global Power Group. CERA released a study on Thursday warning that the power sector's level of investment to meet future demand is dangerously low. The electric power industry's preoccupation with passing through its biggest single-year fuel increases in history is creating a strong chance that U.S. power markets will not be able to successfully address resource adequacy, resulting in power shortages in some areas of the country within the next five years, Makovich said. Costs for the fuels for power plant generation, such as coal and natural gas, now account for one-third of the cost of producing electricity. Fuel costs increased from $68 billion in 2004 to $90 billion in 2005, according to CERA. 'Hybrid companies' Makovich pushed the concept of hybrid companies that diversify the kinds of fuels they use to generate power. Unfortunately, we do not see a large number of companies following this sort of sound strategic process, he said. In fact, a recent CERA survey of top power company executives says a significant number of them misinterpret or just ignore information they should be carefully considering when planning for expansion. This weakness in an environment of price shocks, fuel volatility and regulatory uncertainty is the recipe for continued boom and bust cycles in the power industry, Makovich said. CERA's study shows that 83 percent of executives at more than 35 North American power companies are not confident the current market structure will be able to provide adequate generation supply when needed. So what power generation fix will be financed in the future? Alex Urquhart, president and CEO of GE Energy Financial Services, sees billions being spent on mostly coal-fired plants, with natural gas, nuclear power and renewables thrown in. Comeback by Dynegy Urquhart said with so much of the world's natural gas stranded outside the U.S., you've got to believe coal is a big part of our future. Dynegy's power plant portfolio, for example, includes many coal-fired generators - a point CEO Bruce Williamson is proud of. Williamson has spent the last three years bringing Dynegy back from the brink of financial disaster after the company followed a little too closely in Enron's trading and marketing footsteps. They didn't make any money in trading and marketing. That's the dirty little secret, Williamson said. We make money when we have good assets just like oil companies make their real money not by trading oil but by having low-cost wells. Williamson said he's not interested in Dynegy owning nuclear power plants, but Makovich insists the public perception surrounding them is changing for the better. Walter Higgins, chairman and CEO of Sierra Pacific Resources, the fastest-growing utility in the country thanks to Nevada's swelling population and economy, said no nuclear plant will ever be built in his state. But he also said consumers - both individuals and small businesses - repeatedly ask him why new nuclear power isn't being built in
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Show it a controversial cartoon. Well, that doesn't so much polarize it as align it against you - perhaps not quite as useful. Andrew Netherton On 2/10/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Russel, R Heron wrote: Hi Tim At 50 pounds currency and 36 grams weight for the magnets it is definitely a rip off but polarization is not with out scientific merit. do you have data to support this claim? How do you polarize the fuel, a hydrocarbon with essentially no dipole moment? Highly polarized fuel will combine with air better with obvious results but a 36 gram magnet would not polarize much fuel. Russel - Original Message - From: Tim Hadland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Whoa Chandan!That looked like legitimate spy talk (like I know what I'm talking about)....you still there? If you are, smile for the itty bitty camera.:-)MikeChandan Haldar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNU Emacs has this nice little diversion in its mail handling facility:http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/Mail-Amusements.html#Mail-AmusementsSome samples of what it can automatically add to the end of a mail is at the end of this mail. Joe, sorry to disappoint uncle S, but I didn't write that and I don't live in patriot act territory either.The bottomline is as Keith has summarized nicely already. A good way of looking at the post-modern hacker community is as the IT dept of the second superpower. May the force be with them. :-)Cheers.Chandanunclassified Roswell Indigo FSF kilo class bce Comirex Steve Case SWATclones ANDVT explosion Aldergrove S Key S BoxJFK BATF passwd MD5 Crypto AG Jiang Zemin ANDVT Craig LivingstoneJuiliett Class Submarine JPL Chobetsu CIDA Ortega explosion highsecurityAGT. AMME industrial intelligence UOP jihad broadside COSCO Comirexsniper ISEC militia offensive information warfare Ceridian bootlegJSOFC3IP government___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
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Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Do not forget the difference between hacker and cracker. The news would have us all think that all hackers==crackers but that simply is not true. The term Hacker first meant a person to did there own computer work (more or less but absolutely with no crime) and crackers were hackers who also did criminal acts. Pirates are of a totally different breed then hackers or crackers. They are thief plain and simple. I agree that the current media distribution model/method is very outdated, that does not mean taking something that you did not pay for is not theft. Same goes for a individual that phishes you and you hand over you CC. They are a Phisher, they might be a hacker (no crime related to hacking) and most likely a cracker (cloning that CC# onto a existing card). The EFF will uphold the rights of the `net so long as the net HAS those rights. If your ISP changed its business model to one like that of the power or water companies (base bill of $19 for my commercial building, .0859/KwH) then you have to pay it or stop being there customer. Is your town like a lot of America with just 1 DSL and 1 Cable provider? Dialup is not even a option really as it would go purely by hourly use as it has been trying for years . Satellite? 3000ms latency will sure let you do VoIP and Gaming. Lets not forget they are already use based and drop your speeds to 28.8 up and down after you pass your allotment. Fixed terrestrial wireless is the only option that is cheap and fast enough to deploy. Fiber is nice but is going to be owned 99% by the larger Telco's. It is becoming easier and easier for companies to steal others intellectual property. I think that companies should get rights to there IP for 10 years then it becomes public domain. This would keep people thinking of new ideas and let the mass market production machine kick in with real products instead of fakes (this also means we have stiff penalties for those making fakes). Its like the EPA laws, a company can dump waste and save $5,000,000 and gets fined $25,000 for doing it! The companies who do this need to have 100% of there income removed, all debts paid and all management put out on the street with not a penny. Jeromie Reeves Evergreen Solutions wrote: I just wanted to chime in very quickly about the hacker mentality and ethic. In theory, hackers hack to make things better. Security, speed, effeciency, clock cycles, whatever. I just heard a story on NPR tonight about prius hackers who have doubled the effeciency of their Prius's by adding additional batteries and a plug-in. I'm digressing.. Red boxes, blue boxes, tron boxes...home cable descramblers...it's a rocky path. I used to use a red box while I was away at college to call my friends, still have about 6 of them, haha. When radio shack stopped selling tone dialers I bought all their remaining stock. I did it because I was poor, and stealing from the man seemed legitimate. The man had lots of money, and was so automated he couldn't tell the difference between a quarter and the tone I generated. We experimented with one of the boxes that prevents the line voltage from dropping when you pick up a call too, although our use was to prevent telemarketers from being able to hang up. I've recently done a lot of thinking about how FEW people do the thinking for SO MANY. From law makers to engineers, whatever. However, with people like the EFF (electronic frontier foundation) floating around, I don't believe that we're in true danger of losing our internet, per se. If anything, I see it becoming LESS centralized, and LESS controlled. The MPAA/RIAA are fighting a losing battle against a community that's consistently outpacing them in terms of privacy and anonymity. To a google search on Tor, I use it personally. The main point for me I guess is that the fattest pipes out there are NOT on american soil, and the technology is NOT american. I don't doubt anyone's desire to inflict greater control or profit margin on American internet access, I just don't see it happening any time soon. True privacy on the internet is a fallacy anyway, but not even Google will listen to the government telling it not to put satellite imagery of bases, etc, up free on googleearth. Pakistan and India are suingbut...who? It takes about 6 months for a pharmacy lab to learn to copy someone else's drug. It took 72 hours to break the DRM on iTunes. It took 24 hours to break the ultimately encrypted dvd encryption. It took 12 hours to break Arista's new CD protection scheme. It took 6 hours to break sony's illegal DRM. Fear not fellow subverts, the underground will keep us safe. Sort of. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
Joe Street wrote: ROFL ROFL Aldergrove? I used to live there. It's a town full of single moms on welfare who move from one relationship with a no-good guy to the next. What's so subversive about Aldergrove? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
All will depend on how strong is the magnet. With 6000 gauss or more settled in the gasoline inlet will be enough to get good results on the gas efficiency. Also engine runs much better. Polarization of different materials including boilers fuel, gasoline engines, cooling towers and diesel engines has been extensively studied and the results are VERY scientific and very good. There is a big industry behind the applications. I have been using magnets for different purposes for years. Andres - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Howdy Russel, R Heron wrote: Hi Tim At 50 pounds currency and 36 grams weight for the magnets it is definitely a rip off but polarization is not with out scientific merit. do you have data to support this claim? How do you polarize the fuel, a hydrocarbon with essentially no dipole moment? Highly polarized fuel will combine with air better with obvious results but a 36 gram magnet would not polarize much fuel. Russel - Original Message - From: Tim Hadland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Andres Secco wrote: All will depend on how strong is the magnet. With 6000 gauss or more settled in the gasoline inlet will be enough to get good results on the gas efficiency. Also engine runs much better. Polarization of different materials including boilers fuel, gasoline engines, cooling towers and diesel engines has been extensively studied and the results are VERY scientific and very good. There is a big industry behind the applications. I have been using magnets for different purposes for years. Andres Do you have some kind of reference for this? I'm quite confused what polarization of fuel means and how or why it would make combustion either higher temperature or more efficient. A google search on magnetic polarization diesel fuel produced no results from anybody who wasn't selling magnetic products that discussed any benefits on the first two pages of results. Pointers, please. Inquiring minds want to know. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sodium sulfate decahydrate (phase change material forsolar thermal storage) ?
I googled it and this was the second hit. It dosen't say how much but it looks like they still sell it. http://www.jostchemical.com/products.html From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] sodium sulfate decahydrate (phase change material forsolar thermal storage) ? Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:35:36 -0700 Does anyone know where you can buy Glauber's Salt (sodium sulfate decahydrate) for use in phase change solar thermal storage? I've been able to find lots about it's chemical characteristics, but none on who might sell it any more Thanks Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
