Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
For quite sometime I have felt the fairest way to charge for internet access, by the amount of data the internet transports on behalf of the user. That would crimp the style of commercial email, cause some to rethink their need to send cutesy html formatted email and large attachments to everyone. Why should low volume users subsidize those who feel they need receive TV programs and movies via the internet? Yes; users of this list may have to pay a subscription fee or hope advertising would underwrite the costs. The concept of free has gotten out of hand on the part of internet users, so has the concept of maximum profit on the part of the corporations. I guess we can always dust off the LL modems and bbs software, but who's going to pay the costs of operating those? As Joe mentioned the hams could resurrect the packet radio net work here in the U. S., I think it's still strong in those countries where the internet has been expensive. I really don't have much to say about the privacy and other issues brought up in the article. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment
Mike,Could you please provide links or bibliography, hopefully in english, for the Soviet research on fuel?On 2/12/06, Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the Russians did most of the magnetic water and fuel treatment R D in this area when it was the Soviet Union during the cold war. they also did psychic research.Just because you look doesn't mean you can find.The Soviet research was real, published and quite impressive. -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated
Mike McGinness wrote: The KOH reacts with CO2 in the air producing K2CO3 + O2 + H20. The K2CO3 is still considered a strong base and may still work for suponification for your purposes, but it is not as reactive as KOH. Also only one of the two K's from the K2CO3 is a strong base so only half of it will act as a strong base. Therefore if ten percent is K2CO3 only 5% will act as a strong base like KOH. Hi, I have a little nit to pick here :P KOH reacts with CO2 in the air producing K2CO3 and H2O only. No O2 is produced. The complete reaction is: 2 KOH + CO2 - K2CO3 + H2O -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment
Mike, You have made a statement that really stands out as to how unreliable the science of magnetism really is. Ozone is now a proven technology for many things, including purification of water, while 30 years ago it was in the realm of junk science. Yet, after 30 years, magnets are still in the realm of junk science ( sounds good - maybe even possible, but no real proof ). One would think that thirty years would be plenty of time to establish the how and why it works and be accepted by the mainstream science community. Yet, magnets are still have not been proven by scientific trials. You mention trials by putting them on fuel pipelines, and watching the differences in the amount of wax build up, but, there is no proof in that. The amount of wax in fuel varies with the time of the year, and the particular fuel flowing through the pipeline.The same pipeline will handle ( in order of decreasing wax content ) heating oil ( Diesel #4 ), vehicle diesel in the summer( Diesel #2 ), vehicle Diesel in the winter ( Diesel #1 or a blend of #1 and #2 depending on how cold the area get's, that the fuel is going to ) and possibly kerosene depending on the area. A build up of wax that occurred when heating oil is being pumped through the pipeline, will dissolve when diesel #1 or kerosene is being pumped through the pipeline. Wax buildup is also more likely to occur during the late winter / early spring, time frame after a long period of cold temps have cooled down the soil that the pipeline runs through - granted, at the depth the pipeline is, the temperature difference would only amount to a few degrees, but, even a few degrees, can make a difference, with a increase or decrease in wax build up with the different fuels. Without controlling the variables, other that using or not using magnets, it is not a verifiable test, nor is it scientific by any means. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 18:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment SNIP These same magnets are sold for magnetic water conditioning. So is ozone, which has moved from the realm of sudo science in the USA 30 years ago, to a point now where it is used instead of chlorine in nearly 50% of US drinking water supply systems. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Heavy metals in biodiesel via bioremediation?
Reading a bit about the leaded gasoline and lead and mercury contamination from various sources in other threads this morning lead to me thinking about heavy metal emissions from biodiesel. Theoretically, we know exactly what's in there (just veggie oil, transformed with methanol and lye, right?). But having read a bit about bioremediation as well, I wondered if anyone has ever tested how much heavy metals could be accumulated in the oil of rapeseed and mustardseed crops grown for biodiesel on contaminated soil, and re-emitted into the air? I can't remember the source now, but I remember a site in china where they grew mustard plants on contaminated ground, burned the plants, and found that the ashes counted as high grade silver ore... In bioremediation, exactly what parts of the plants accumulate the most heavy metals -- if they're like animals, the fats (oil feedstock for biodiesel) would hold alot of them right? Just some musings on my part now, but I'd be interested if anyone has studies which address this. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Does anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or (better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he can follow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are many projects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hear about them. Best Keith Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200 From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bio-Diesel in Palestine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Journey to Forever, my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Together with a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned the construction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (starting from around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in. The village has been the center and the symbol of the joint Palestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of the separation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation and we felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level we need to start positive constructive work. The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly, community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. We wish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficient Your site is the most comprehensive and accesible information source on the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of any other initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in between backyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I could contact to learn from and maybe even visit. many thanks indeed, elad orian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
What SBC is asking is not for (just) end users to pay for the BW they use. Its for Google, Yahoo and the likes to pay for the BW that SBC users use FROM them. IE they want the phone standards applies to IP networks and that is just plain wrong to force on people after the fact. All phone companies have a fund where they pay for terminating a phone call, at the end of a billing cycle they settle up that fund. Say I call you. I pay $.05/min for the long distance call. My telephone company has to pay yours for terminating the call on their network. Thats all fine for phone standards, its part of what keeps the base phone (no LD, Call Waiting, Caller ID, Voice Mail, ect) at $40/mo. No I have no option here except for LD from other carriers ON TOP of the base charge. With the current IP networks and the method used for selling bandwidth this is a evil wrong way to do things. Google, Yahoo and the likes already pay SBC for the OC-3, OC-12 and ect lines that they use to reach SBC users. SBC wants to tax them on top of this, not sell them new lines under this idea. There are places that you can buy BW and pay $/GB of transfer. That is still not the same as what SBC wants to do! SBC wants money from the end user ($15/mo for dsl) AND $/per ip connection to [insert.tld.here] AND to charge [insert.tld.here] the same for their OC-XX lines. If SBC only wanted to charge a FAIR amount for GB transfered that would be fine by me as long as its less then the $2/gb I get to pay now for a 2x45mbit pipe. There is more evil in SBC and this idea of per transaction fees then is being seen. They want cause to track what you do, who you do it with and to charge both people (even those NOT being SBC customers) for doing it. Hey it worked in the phone arena for 50+ years while Ma Bell was a monster monopoly and it will work again right? Jeromie Reeves Doug Younker wrote: For quite sometime I have felt the fairest way to charge for internet access, by the amount of data the internet transports on behalf of the user. That would crimp the style of commercial email, cause some to rethink their need to send cutesy html formatted email and large attachments to everyone. Why should low volume users subsidize those who feel they need receive TV programs and movies via the internet? Yes; users of this list may have to pay a subscription fee or hope advertising would underwrite the costs. The concept of free has gotten out of hand on the part of internet users, so has the concept of maximum profit on the part of the corporations. I guess we can always dust off the LL modems and bbs software, but who's going to pay the costs of operating those? As Joe mentioned the hams could resurrect the packet radio net work here in the U. S., I think it's still strong in those countries where the internet has been expensive. I really don't have much to say about the privacy and other issues brought up in the article. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Permanent Energy Crisis
http://www.alternet.org/story/32077/ Permanent Energy Crisis By Michael Klare, Tomdispatch.com. Posted February 13, 2006. There are many reasons to believe that, unlike the gas and electricity crises of the 70s, 80s and 90s, the energy troubles we now face will last for decades. President Bush's State of the Union comment that the United States is addicted to oil can be read as pure political opportunism. With ever more Americans expressing anxiety about high oil prices, freakish weather patterns and abiding American ties to unsavory foreign oil potentates, it is hardly surprising that Bush sought to portray himself as an advocate of the development of alternative energy systems. But there is another, more ominous way to read his comments: that top officials have come to realize that the United States and the rest of the world face a new and growing danger -- a permanent energy crisis that imperils the health and well-being of every society on earth. To be sure, the United States has experienced severe energy crises before: the 1973-74 oil shock with its mile-long gas lines, the 1979-80 crisis following the fall of the Shah of Iran and the 2000-01 electricity blackouts in California, among others. But the crisis taking shape in 2006 has a new look to it. First of all, it is likely to last for decades, not just months or a handful of years; second, it will engulf the entire planet, not just a few countries; and finally, it will do more than just cripple the global economy -- its political, military and environmental effects will be equally severe. If you had to date it, you could say that our permanent energy crisis began, appropriately enough, on New Year's Day 2006, when Russia's state-owned natural gas monopoly, Gazprom, cut off gas deliveries to Ukraine in punishment for that country's pro-Western leanings. Although Gazprom has since resumed some deliveries, it is now evident that Moscow is fully prepared to employ its abundant energy reserves as a political weapon at a time of looming natural gas shortages worldwide. It won't be the last country to do so in the years to come. In just the few weeks since then, the world has experienced a series of similar energy-related disturbances: * The sabotage of natural gas pipelines to the former Soviet republic of Georgia, producing widespread public discomfort at a time of unusually frigid temperatures. * An eruption of oil-related ethnic violence in Nigeria, resulting in a sharp reduction in that country's petroleum output. * Threats by Iran to cut off exports of oil and gas in retaliation for any sanctions imposed by the U.N. Security Council over its suspect nuclear enrichment activities. * And as a result of such developments, a series of minispikes in crude oil prices as well as reports in the business press that, if this pattern of instability continues, such prices could easily rise beyond $80 per barrel to the once unimaginable $100 per barrel range. Vectors of Crisis Events like these will certainly spread economic pain and hardship globally, especially to those who cannot afford higher transportation and heating-fuel costs. As it happens, though, these are not isolated, unrelated events. Think of them as expressions of a deeper crisis. Like the tremors before a major earthquake, they suggest the dangerous accumulation of powerful energy forces that will roil the planet for years to come. Although we cannot hope to foresee all the ways such forces will affect the global human community, the primary vectors of the permanent energy crisis can be identified and charted. Three such vectors, in particular, demand attention: a slowing in the growth of energy supplies at a time of accelerating worldwide demand; rising political instability provoked by geopolitical competition for those supplies; and mounting environmental woes produced by our continuing addiction to oil, natural gas and coal. Each of these would be cause enough for worry, but it is their intersection that we need to fear above all. Energy experts have long warned that global oil and gas supplies are not likely to be sufficiently expandable to meet anticipated demand. As far back as the mid-1990s, peak-oil theorists like Kenneth Deffeyes of Princeton University and Colin Campbell of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil (ASPO) insisted that the world was heading for a peak-oil moment and would soon face declining petroleum output. At first, most mainstream experts dismissed these claims as simplistic and erroneous, while government officials and representatives of the big oil companies derided them. Recently, however, a sea-change in elite opinion has been evident. First Matthew Simmons, the chairman of Simmons and Company International of Houston, America's leading energy-industry investment bank, and then David O'Reilly, CEO of Chevron, the country's second largest oil firm, broke ranks with their fellow oil
Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated
Add 5 grams per liter of the KOH you want to test. You may titrate the stuff using HCl and any indicator as phenolftalein or orto-toluidin (from swimming pool test) and when solution changes in color you get or pass the neutral point and compare the quantity of acid used. But... I think and have the impression that purity of KOH is not so important. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated Titrate to what end point? Mike McGinness bob allen wrote: make two solutions of the same concentration with the good and questionable KOH. titrate against any standard acid and compare. JJJN wrote: Hello everyone, I just got 50 #s of KOH for next to nothing. It is in flake form but it is carbonated to some extent (unkown). I have some lab grade KOH that is near absolute also. Can anyone give me a complete procedure to make a comparison (Strength %) of one to the other? I want to know because if the one is 10% weaker than the other then I should be able to increase the weaker by 10% to achieve similar results. I understand that from this point I must still tweek some one way or the other. Perhaps my thinking is flawed in assuming the relationship is proportional and I should just use better KOH? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Yah. One really good idea. Help him build a business/plant step by step via the internet. Bring him into the conversation, take inventory of his site and available materials and back him up whenever he's ready to put wrenches to fittings. Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Does anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or (better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he can follow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are many projects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hear about them. Best Keith Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200 From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bio-Diesel in Palestine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Journey to Forever, my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Together with a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned the construction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (starting from around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in. The village has been the center and the symbol of the joint Palestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of the separation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation and we felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level we need to start positive constructive work. The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly, community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. We wish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficient Your site is the most comprehensive and accesible information source on the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of any other initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in between backyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I could contact to learn from and maybe even visit. many thanks indeed, elad orian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated
Thomas, Thanks for the corection, I plead temporary insanity (actually I was distracted when I rushed out that email). You are correct there is no O2 produced. Mike Tomas Juknevicius wrote: Mike McGinness wrote: The KOH reacts with CO2 in the air producing K2CO3 + O2 + H20. The K2CO3 is still considered a strong base and may still work for suponification for your purposes, but it is not as reactive as KOH. Also only one of the two K's from the K2CO3 is a strong base so only half of it will act as a strong base. Therefore if ten percent is K2CO3 only 5% will act as a strong base like KOH. Hi, I have a little nit to pick here :P KOH reacts with CO2 in the air producing K2CO3 and H2O only. No O2 is produced. The complete reaction is: 2 KOH + CO2 - K2CO3 + H2O -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Dear Elad, Please check the following. Fo you have a source of animal fat or vegetable fat in a rate of five tons per day at least. Waste product the better. A stainless steel reactor 5 cu meters at least. I can advise you on some companis in maahle adumim were to find them Ethanol won´t be a problem. KOH neither. Electricity : at least 80 amps. Water treatment plant to treat the waste. If you can get all the above I can help you to do your own biodiesel. Regards - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine Yah. One really good idea. Help him build a business/plant step by step via the internet. Bring him into the conversation, take inventory of his site and available materials and back him up whenever he's ready to put wrenches to fittings. Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Does anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or (better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he can follow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are many projects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hear about them. Best Keith Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200 From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bio-Diesel in Palestine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Journey to Forever, my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Together with a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned the construction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (starting from around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in. The village has been the center and the symbol of the joint Palestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of the separation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation and we felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level we need to start positive constructive work. The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly, community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. We wish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficient Your site is the most comprehensive and accesible information source on the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of any other initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in between backyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I could contact to learn from and maybe even visit. many thanks indeed, elad orian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated
perform a titration with each on equal amounts of vinegar. The difference in volume will tell you how to adjust your formula. JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone,I just got 50 #s of KOH for next to nothing. It is in flake form but it is carbonated to some extent (unkown). I have some lab grade KOH that is near absolute also.Can anyone give me a complete procedure to make a comparison (Strength %) of one to the other? I want to know because if the one is 10% weaker than the other then I should be able to increase the weaker by 10% to achieve similar results. I understand that from this point I must still tweek some one way or the other. Perhaps my thinking is flawed in assuming the relationship is proportional and I should just use better KOH?Any help would be greatly appreciated.Jim___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Prices of commercial biodiesel
Atul, I appreciate your frustration. But it shouldn't be a surprise that competing with an established utility scale monster such as fossil fuel requires the economics of the alternative to be at least as efficient (apart from its other non-financial merits). I'm under the impression that we'll soon see BD blends being sold in retail auto fuel outlets in India by more than one of the Indian big-oil guys, from both govt and private sectors. They will do it by creating cheap sources of oil using their monetary muscles, by contracting land from the govt, for example. I'm trying to understand how a third kind of enterprises, for example, a federation of distributed small coops of farmers assisted by technology hackers, might possibly be enabled to directly participate in this new market opportunity for concrete and immediate benefit to the local rural communities that the coops represent. Chandan atul malhotra wrote: dear chandan.. there pretty much nothing u can do abt BD procurement in india as of date .i have spent abt a ayr and a half and have run my car and engines on BD or blends..but thats abt it the commercial aspect of it is pretty much a dismal scene here either u have lots of land and patience and dep pockets to plant and wait for the produce...other wise it s apretty much no go. heart breaking ...but we r a country of shocking losers and we contniue to ignore the gifts of natur e and keep leading ridiculous lives. write back to me i might be able to help u in sum aspects at least atul. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
