Re: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
Hello Nigel, welcome >As funny as that is - I see merit in it. > >I'm new here, so some comments may be of "ignorance" - excuse them if they >are ... but... > >Is there a standard we can specify that meets and exceeds the various >aspects of current certification testing? The most advanced standard is the EU standard, EN 14214 of 2003. It's in the process of becoming the de facto world standard. It's the basis of the Australian standard and of the forthcoming Japan standard (biodiesel is already tested according to EN 14214 in Japan, including our biodiesel), and probably lots of others. It's a more advanced and more complete standard than the US ASTM D-6751, which is biased towards soy. EN 14214 is probably biased towards rapeseed, but rapeseed oil is a better biodiesel feedstock anyway. See: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds See also archives discussions on oxidation, polymerisation and semi-drying oils with higher Iodine values, for instance. There is also information about this at the Journey to Forever website, eg: Oxidation and polymerisation http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#oxid Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine >Take the most stringent of each >apsect to be tested - viscosity, pH etc - and have a single, HIGHER standard >which would mean anything meeting that standard automatically meets all the >others. I'm not sure more stringent requirements in each aspect would necessarily mean a better standard, maybe it might even mean a worse one. There's a lot of scientific work behind the development of the standard specifications and what they're based on. Again, please see the list archives. Establishing that a more stringent standard (or any new standard) is a better one in each aspect would be a lengthy and costly process, without which the new standard would have little or no credibility. At any rate it would be superfluous, IMHO, the EU standard is the de-facto standard. Biodieselers in Canada for instance would probably be able to demonstrate that if their fuel met the EU standard it could be regarded as meeting the US ASTM standard too, which Canada seems to be adopting. >This gives the biodieselers the "high ground". Well no, it wouldn't. It might only give them some high ground once their fuel had passed the test, which means paying an accredited lab to test it. Requiring that of many small-scale local-community or farm or backyard-level producers puts them out of action, it's too expensive. Anyway it doesn't seem to prove much. There's no way to know that the sample that's tested (every how often?) has much or any relationship with the stuff going out to consumers all the time, unless each production run is tested, which is prohibitively expensive. On the other hand, if you just so happen to belong to the Big Boys' Club everything is MUCH easier - even if your fuel *doesn't* meet the standard. People have been discussing this here for more than five years, with many plans and proposals, including setting up shared or centralised testing facilities for small-scale brewers, but nothing happens. These proposals often go hand-in-hand with other proposals to form associations of small/home brewers, and/or lobby groups to represent our interests. Many other list members feel this would be playing right into the hands of the enemy, as Kenji and Joe are suggesting right now in Canada - they're out to get us, and a list of members of the Unkempt Backyarders Biodiesel Brigade and Marching Band would make it real easy. We've been seeing that coming for years too, it's more or less a given that the "powers-that-be" will try to regulate the mavericks out of the picture. We think it's too late for that and has been for quite a while, we're suitably out of control. There was a fresh discussion of all this again a month or two ago. >We can demonstrate we're >happy to step up to the mark - in fact we're interested in exceeding it (we >are... right?) Striving for perfection is an admirable thing - I also >realise it's not a real worl thing... but as a guiding principle it's good. "Perfect is the enemy of good." Quality isn't the issue, homebrewers produce better quality fuel than the commercial brewers do. This is a political issue. There's a lot of information in the archives about how the NBB excludes small-scale producers from the market in the US, for instance, the whole issue was thrashed out here four years ago (to little avail). See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg27488.html [biofuel] NBB and small producers http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg29769.html [biofuel] Fwd: Re: Testing etc, Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers There's a lot more! Lots of info in those two links on what's legal and what's not in the US. More interesting though is how the coop movement is developi
[Biofuel] Filter bags & adaptor heads
I just found the filter bag adaptor heads in McMaster-Carr. For bags 4 3/32” made from polypro 13.13 or for 7” bags 17.5 instead of 30-35 that I’ve found them elsewhere. Logan Vilas Bio-fuel Enterprises, Inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Light BD Dark BD from same Dark Oil
Tom, I just started reclaiming methanol from my Bio. Well in order to increase the methanol released without using a vacume I pushed air into my reactor bottom and boiled it through. Out the top I vented the air and good great grapes did that ever increase the way the stuff released the methanol! so after this I used the air to mix my wash water as a stiring method. My color didnt change much, but it did get a bit lighter but man did it wash out nice I didnt use vinegar (that batch) as I didn't get an emulsion but I have in the past. I also want to learn more too about this and other folks experiences with this method. I think theoretically the color of Bio should be close to the same as Bio made from the same base virgin oil stock. Thanks Jim Thomas Kelly wrote: > Hello to all, >Back in Oct. I responded to a post entitled: "Very dark > biodiesel, need help." I explained that I had just produced very dark > biodiesel myself from almost black oil from a Chinese restaurant. It > seemed to be good oil ... titration: 1.4 -1.6 g lye/L. The biodiesel > produced washed easily, and when a sample was reprocessed, no > glycerine fell out. It also passed the solubility in methanol test. I > have made several batches of BD using this oil since then and it has > been very good and very dark each time. > I recently teamed up with a tinkerer - what a blessing- who > wanted some help getting started producing BD. His first two 70L. > batches included this very dark oil and the BD was roughly the color > of iced tea. His third 70L. batch, still using this very dark oil, > came out yellow; almost the color of BD from virgin oil. > Two things were different about this batch: > 1. He got a serious emulsion on his first wash ... he added 2.5 cups > (about 550 ml) of vinegar to break the emulsion. > 2. He had been bubble washing using a large ring w. holes in it in > the bottom of his wash tank. After seeing me stir wash a batch he > decided to speed his bubble washing up by > compressing air in a tank (150 psi/regulator at 80) and blasting it > through the ring. It is a turbulent process. Homogeneity is achieved > in about 2 minutes. He said he let the air tank empty ... about 15 > minutes. > The wash water from this first compressed air wash had little > dark blobs that seemed insoluble in both water and in BD. > The BD was yellow, not dark. > I'm stumped!!! >What are those little dark blobs in the wash water? Why don't they > dissolve in either the water or the BD? >Why didn't the dark color wash out in the batches I made > or the first two batches that he made? >I never added vinegar to my batches. Could vinegar release > something that had been cooked into the oil (soy or teryaki > sauce)? > Thanks for staying with me so long >Tom > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Kiwi Biofuellers?
Hi - newbie here, absolutely smitten with the ideas of Biofuel, and taking baby steps towards actually making some (lots of reading... and slow gathering of cheap parts for first biodiesel rig) I'm in Auckland and would love to meet anyone doing this already, compare notes and thoughts etc. Thanks Nigel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
As funny as that is - I see merit in it. I'm new here, so some comments may be of "ignorance" - excuse them if they are ... but... Is there a standard we can specify that meets and exceeds the various aspects of current certification testing? Take the most stringent of each apsect to be tested - viscosity, pH etc - and have a single, HIGHER standard which would mean anything meeting that standard automatically meets all the others. This gives the biodieselers the "high ground". We can demonstrate we're happy to step up to the mark - in fact we're interested in exceeding it (we are... right?) Striving for perfection is an admirable thing - I also realise it's not a real worl thing... but as a guiding principle it's good. Nigel - Original Message - From: "Kenji James Fuse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves > Would any of you be willing to dub me a "lord of biodiesel' or something? > > Seriously, I think it would be a good idea if this list put together a > dumb-ass 'certification' test so we could hang it on our walls and point > to it should some > regulatory agent come snooping around our setups threatening to shut us > down. > > Because we are from all over the world, it would have the kind of > untouchability of Amnesty, and good luck to a regulator trying to actually > find out about the 'certificate'! > > I can feel you all already getting your feathers ruffled at this proposal. > I think I'm > going to try to put something together for the local co-op, so I would > greatly appreciate all your critical feedback (but go easy on the > insults). > > Kenji Fuse > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry
If you don't sell your fuel, aren't there exemptions? For example, you have to have all kinds of business licenses to do just about anything for hire, but do it for yourself, and no one cares. On 2/21/06, Kenji James Fuse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So here's the latest I've found for Canada. The push is on for the > government of Canada to "establish a Federal registration and > certification program for all biodiesel producers, importers to guarantee > all biodiesel into the Canadian petroleum fuel distribution system meets > the accepted North American quality standard ASTM D6751". > > Quality = Good > Registration and Certification at the Government Level = BAD > > Here's the full report: > > http://www.www.canadianbioenergy.com/Resources/ >DEVELOPING_A_CANADIAN_BIODIESEL_INDUSTRY.pdf > > My worry is the micro- and small-scale producer (ie backyard brewer) is > going to be penalized if not criminalized, very shortly in Canada. > > Let's have our own accreditation system so I can talk to my elected > offical and make sure we aren't screwed over in favour of big tax dollar > lobbyists! > > Kenji Fuse > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Birth of an Industry
So here's the latest I've found for Canada. The push is on for the government of Canada to "establish a Federal registration and certification program for all biodiesel producers, importers to guarantee all biodiesel into the Canadian petroleum fuel distribution system meets the accepted North American quality standard ASTM D6751". Quality = Good Registration and Certification at the Government Level = BAD Here's the full report: http://www.www.canadianbioenergy.com/Resources/ DEVELOPING_A_CANADIAN_BIODIESEL_INDUSTRY.pdf My worry is the micro- and small-scale producer (ie backyard brewer) is going to be penalized if not criminalized, very shortly in Canada. Let's have our own accreditation system so I can talk to my elected offical and make sure we aren't screwed over in favour of big tax dollar lobbyists! Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
Keith, You have a point in keeping the discussion global as some of the hurdles to bring biodiesel mainstream are common in many countries: lack of economy of scale, difficulty to procure and high price of ingredients, lack of standards, lack of adapted technologies at each location and even lack of freedom to commercialize biodiesel. At the same time, without calling people's attention to local issues there is less interest and engagement in the struggle to bring biodiesel mainstream. In the case of Brazil, we have a lot of talk by Government and industry to start with a mandatory nationwide B02 next year and Petrobras plans to monopolize de industry with the construction this year of several regional production plants designed for different vegetable oils. At the same time, Ethanol production is on full capacity and later this year there will not be enough to keep up with national consumption and export commitments. Unfortunately civil society is ignoring this discussion and we may end up in the same emergency situation we were a few years ago in respect to electricity demand surpassing generation. Regards, Ivan > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:36:57 +0900> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?> > Hello Ivan> >>Keith,Since you mentioned it, I would like to exchange information with >>active list members in Brazil.Thanks,Ivan> > Go right ahead, if you've something useful to discuss (as in my reply > to Allan in Scotland). There's room for local discussions, but it's > essentially a global list and it definitely has to stay that way. > Ideal would be local discussions that were also generally informative > or gave a different perspective. That shouldn't be too difficult with > a country like Brazil, and welcome. I'm sure you can see what I'm > saying. "Think globally act locally" should be a good guideline, as > ever. Local issues is what it all comes down to in the end, but > nobody else wants to read a series of me-too's and nothing else > happens.> > Best> > Keith> > > >> > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:26:30 +0900>> > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?>> >>> > Hello all, wherever and elsewhere.>> >>> > There are at least 30 Biofuel list members in Malaysia, and at least>> > 15 in Scotland. There are list members in just about every country>> > and from almost every culture. I don't see much point in checking>> > who's here from where unless there's a specific reason for contacting>> > other local people. Is there, in either of these cases?>> >>> > All best>> >>> > Keith Addison>> > Journey to Forever>> > KYOTO Pref., Japan>> > http://journeytoforever.org/> > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
Kenji you got a lot of 'assbestdoes' in that flame suit of yours? But seriously if not at the international level we could do something national at least. I don't mind bowing to the west and reciting the litany against fear of eco-death. But I won't sleep with my head to the north and I'm not going up into that ship you have waiting on the dark side of the moon. Joe Kenji James Fuse wrote: >Would any of you be willing to dub me a "lord of biodiesel' or something? > >Seriously, I think it would be a good idea if this list put together a >dumb-ass 'certification' test so we could hang it on our walls and point >to it should some >regulatory agent come snooping around our setups threatening to shut us >down. > >Because we are from all over the world, it would have the kind of >untouchability of Amnesty, and good luck to a regulator trying to actually >find out about the 'certificate'! > >I can feel you all already getting your feathers ruffled at this proposal. >I think I'm >going to try to put something together for the local co-op, so I would >greatly appreciate all your critical feedback (but go easy on the >insults). > >Kenji Fuse > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
Hello Ivan >Keith, > >Since you mentioned it, I would like to exchange information with >active list members in Brazil. > >Thanks, > >Ivan Go right ahead, if you've something useful to discuss (as in my reply to Allan in Scotland). There's room for local discussions, but it's essentially a global list and it definitely has to stay that way. Ideal would be local discussions that were also generally informative or gave a different perspective. That shouldn't be too difficult with a country like Brazil, and welcome. I'm sure you can see what I'm saying. "Think globally act locally" should be a good guideline, as ever. Local issues is what it all comes down to in the end, but nobody else wants to read a series of me-too's and nothing else happens. Best Keith > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:26:30 +0900 > > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia? > > > > Hello all, wherever and elsewhere. > > > > There are at least 30 Biofuel list members in Malaysia, and at least > > 15 in Scotland. There are list members in just about every country > > and from almost every culture. I don't see much point in checking > > who's here from where unless there's a specific reason for contacting > > other local people. Is there, in either of these cases? > > > > All best > > > > Keith Addison > > Journey to Forever > > KYOTO Pref., Japan > > http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Hi Kenji, thanks. The Canadian who sent it to me and said it proved our point also told me that come summer he'll be starting his test-batches so he can fuel his pick-up. I rather wondered how much the report said about people like him (unkempt backyarders, LOL!). From what you say I think he might prove our point more than it does. I'm glad you give it a good rating, despite the pro-business angle. No reason why the two camps shouldn't work well together, as indeed they often do (but probably more often don't). Thanks again Best Keith >The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an >excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making >biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). > >Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to >me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to >produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making >business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro >company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. > >They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get >on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from >Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the >transit buses with the "Powered By Biodiesel" logos painted on the side >currently false advertise). > >But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by >providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. > >Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. > >Cheers all, > >Kenji > >On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: > > > Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. > > > > Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report > > http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf > > > > It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed > > elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it "really > > confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel" but I > > haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? > > > > See also: > > > > http://www.vibesproject.ca/ > > VIBES Biodiesel > > > > http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm > > Projects > > > > Best > > > > Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
Would any of you be willing to dub me a "lord of biodiesel' or something? Seriously, I think it would be a good idea if this list put together a dumb-ass 'certification' test so we could hang it on our walls and point to it should some regulatory agent come snooping around our setups threatening to shut us down. Because we are from all over the world, it would have the kind of untouchability of Amnesty, and good luck to a regulator trying to actually find out about the 'certificate'! I can feel you all already getting your feathers ruffled at this proposal. I think I'm going to try to put something together for the local co-op, so I would greatly appreciate all your critical feedback (but go easy on the insults). Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Compressed air bubble wash
Hello all, A friend of mine had been bubble washing his BD using a large ring w holes in it at the bottom of his wash tank. He used an aquarium pump to bubble air through the ring for 6 - 8 hours /wash. He saw how fast and effective my stir washing was and decided to speed up his process. He compressed air into a tank (150 psi and set the regulator at 80). The air coming out of the ring causes a very turbulent mix in the wash tank. It only takes a minute or two to get a homogeneous mix of water with his 70L batch of BD. He lets it run for about 15 minutes. Is anyone else washing their BD this way? Does anyone see any problems with his compressed air wash? Any reason to run it more than the time it takes to get a homogeneous mix? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Light BD Dark BD from same Dark Oil
Hello to all, Back in Oct. I responded to a post entitled: "Very dark biodiesel, need help." I explained that I had just produced very dark biodiesel myself from almost black oil from a Chinese restaurant. It seemed to be good oil ... titration: 1.4 -1.6 g lye/L. The biodiesel produced washed easily, and when a sample was reprocessed, no glycerine fell out. It also passed the solubility in methanol test. I have made several batches of BD using this oil since then and it has been very good and very dark each time. I recently teamed up with a tinkerer - what a blessing- who wanted some help getting started producing BD. His first two 70L. batches included this very dark oil and the BD was roughly the color of iced tea. His third 70L. batch, still using this very dark oil, came out yellow; almost the color of BD from virgin oil. Two things were different about this batch: 1. He got a serious emulsion on his first wash ... he added 2.5 cups (about 550 ml) of vinegar to break the emulsion. 2. He had been bubble washing using a large ring w. holes in it in the bottom of his wash tank. After seeing me stir wash a batch he decided to speed his bubble washing up by compressing air in a tank (150 psi/regulator at 80) and blasting it through the ring. It is a turbulent process. Homogeneity is achieved in about 2 minutes. He said he let the air tank empty ... about 15 minutes. The wash water from this first compressed air wash had little dark blobs that seemed insoluble in both water and in BD. The BD was yellow, not dark. I'm stumped!!! What are those little dark blobs in the wash water? Why don't they dissolve in either the water or the BD? Why didn't the dark color wash out in the batches I made or the first two batches that he made? I never added vinegar to my batches. Could vinegar release something that had been cooked into the oil (soy or teryaki sauce)? Thanks for staying with me so long Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Yeah, diesel mechanics have some odd ideas sometimes. I talked to one about how to pass emissions in my truck, and I mentioned biodiesel. He started swearing and told me it would wreck my engine. He suggested putting in a tank of kerosene instead.. like that wouldn't cause damage. On 2/21/06, Kenji James Fuse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wha-da-fah? Why are so many diesel machanic's so resistant? Only the best > ones here get a chuckle over biodiesel; the rest always have a concerned, > scared, angry or blank look in their eyes. > > The reason the buses stopped is, I believe, because the contract was up. I > think the project was a test run and had a life of two years (I think). So > now I think Kees' co-op (co-opted?) is probably trying to fill the gap and > supply these folks (this is only my conjecture) with homebrew. Btter than > importing it! > > By the way, we had a good 'backyarders' coop meeting the other day. I'm > still pushing for a decentralized, > donate-yer-surplus-and-split-the-proceeds-later model, but some seem to > really want to acquire commercial space and build a space-age processor > before we even begin. I'll keep you informed. > > Kenji > > On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Joe Street wrote: > > > Hey Kenji; > > > > Interesting news that bit about the buses. Recently this dude shows up > > at a meeting of another club I belong to and when I mildly suggest at > > the meeting that we try BD as a substitute for two stroke oil in our > > rotax 582 tug engine (only half joking) this guy pipes up with "oh > > biodiesel, you want to stay the hell away from that stuff" (them's > > fightin words bro) So anyways it turns out the dude is a diesel mechanic > > for the city of Guelph which had mandated B20 for the entire fleet. > > They had a lot of problems related to cold temps and also water content > > blowing off injector tips (nasty eh?) so I think they are only running > > 5% at present. I wonder if this is what was found out in your neck of > > the woods as well? > > > > Co-product ye ( taps fingers together in smither-esque > > fashion) and that long cylindrical unit comming off the reactor is > > not a "condenser" but rather a coaxial drying unit > > > > Joe > > > > Kenji James Fuse wrote: > > > > >The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an > > >excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making > > >biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). > > > > > >Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to > > >me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to > > >produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making > > >business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro > > >company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. > > > > > >They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get > > >on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from > > >Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the > > >transit buses with the "Powered By Biodiesel" logos painted on the side > > >currently false advertise). > > > > > >But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by > > >providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. > > > > > >Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. > > > > > >Cheers all, > > > > > >Kenji > > > > > >On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. > > >> > > >>Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report > > >>http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf > > >> > > >>It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed > > >>elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it "really > > >>confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel" but I > > >>haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? > > >> > > >>See also: > > >> > > >>http://www.vibesproject.ca/ > > >>VIBES Biodiesel > > >> > > >>http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm > > >>Projects > > >> > > >>Best > > >> > > >>Keith > > >> > > >> > > >>___ > > >>Biofuel mailing list > > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > >> > > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > >> > > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > >>messages): > > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >___ > > >Biofuel mailing list > > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Wha-da-fah? Why are so many diesel machanic's so resistant? Only the best ones here get a chuckle over biodiesel; the rest always have a concerned, scared, angry or blank look in their eyes. The reason the buses stopped is, I believe, because the contract was up. I think the project was a test run and had a life of two years (I think). So now I think Kees' co-op (co-opted?) is probably trying to fill the gap and supply these folks (this is only my conjecture) with homebrew. Btter than importing it! By the way, we had a good 'backyarders' coop meeting the other day. I'm still pushing for a decentralized, donate-yer-surplus-and-split-the-proceeds-later model, but some seem to really want to acquire commercial space and build a space-age processor before we even begin. I'll keep you informed. Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Joe Street wrote: > Hey Kenji; > > Interesting news that bit about the buses. Recently this dude shows up > at a meeting of another club I belong to and when I mildly suggest at > the meeting that we try BD as a substitute for two stroke oil in our > rotax 582 tug engine (only half joking) this guy pipes up with "oh > biodiesel, you want to stay the hell away from that stuff" (them's > fightin words bro) So anyways it turns out the dude is a diesel mechanic > for the city of Guelph which had mandated B20 for the entire fleet. > They had a lot of problems related to cold temps and also water content > blowing off injector tips (nasty eh?) so I think they are only running > 5% at present. I wonder if this is what was found out in your neck of > the woods as well? > > Co-product ye ( taps fingers together in smither-esque > fashion) and that long cylindrical unit comming off the reactor is > not a "condenser" but rather a coaxial drying unit > > Joe > > Kenji James Fuse wrote: > > >The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an > >excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making > >biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). > > > >Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to > >me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to > >produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making > >business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro > >company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. > > > >They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get > >on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from > >Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the > >transit buses with the "Powered By Biodiesel" logos painted on the side > >currently false advertise). > > > >But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by > >providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. > > > >Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. > > > >Cheers all, > > > >Kenji > > > >On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > > > >>Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. > >> > >>Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report > >>http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf > >> > >>It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed > >>elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it "really > >>confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel" but I > >>haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? > >> > >>See also: > >> > >>http://www.vibesproject.ca/ > >>VIBES Biodiesel > >> > >>http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm > >>Projects > >> > >>Best > >> > >>Keith > >> > >> > >>___ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>messages): > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Hi Keith, If you still have the Canucks email, you might pass him my email if he's interested in the direction a bunch of us are going. At the meeting about co-ops we held the other day, the issue Kees' gang came up, and I agree with you. He's a sour puss, sure, but he knows his stuff and critical feedback is only positive. Besides, a bit of our odour might rub off on him for the better. Kenji On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: > Hi Kenji, thanks. > > The Canadian who sent it to me and said it proved our point also told > me that come summer he'll be starting his test-batches so he can fuel > his pick-up. I rather wondered how much the report said about people > like him (unkempt backyarders, LOL!). From what you say I think he > might prove our point more than it does. I'm glad you give it a good > rating, despite the pro-business angle. No reason why the two camps > shouldn't work well together, as indeed they often do (but probably > more often don't). > > Thanks again > > Best > > Keith > > > > >The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an > >excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making > >biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). > > > >Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to > >me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to > >produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making > >business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro > >company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. > > > >They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get > >on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from > >Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the > >transit buses with the "Powered By Biodiesel" logos painted on the side > >currently false advertise). > > > >But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by > >providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. > > > >Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. > > > >Cheers all, > > > >Kenji > > > >On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. > > > > > > Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report > > > http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf > > > > > > It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed > > > elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it "really > > > confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel" but I > > > haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? > > > > > > See also: > > > > > > http://www.vibesproject.ca/ > > > VIBES Biodiesel > > > > > > http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm > > > Projects > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Keith > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Hey Kenji; Interesting news that bit about the buses. Recently this dude shows up at a meeting of another club I belong to and when I mildly suggest at the meeting that we try BD as a substitute for two stroke oil in our rotax 582 tug engine (only half joking) this guy pipes up with "oh biodiesel, you want to stay the hell away from that stuff" (them's fightin words bro) So anyways it turns out the dude is a diesel mechanic for the city of Guelph which had mandated B20 for the entire fleet. They had a lot of problems related to cold temps and also water content blowing off injector tips (nasty eh?) so I think they are only running 5% at present. I wonder if this is what was found out in your neck of the woods as well? Co-product ye ( taps fingers together in smither-esque fashion) and that long cylindrical unit comming off the reactor is not a "condenser" but rather a coaxial drying unit Joe Kenji James Fuse wrote: The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the transit buses with the "Powered By Biodiesel" logos painted on the side currently false advertise). But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. Cheers all, Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it "really confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel" but I haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? See also: http://www.vibesproject.ca/ VIBES Biodiesel http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm Projects Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the transit buses with the "Powered By Biodiesel" logos painted on the side currently false advertise). But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. Cheers all, Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: > Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. > > Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report > http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf > > It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed > elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it "really > confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel" but I > haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? > > See also: > > http://www.vibesproject.ca/ > VIBES Biodiesel > > http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm > Projects > > Best > > Keith > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bush pushes alternative energy in three state visit
Bush Pushes Alternative Energy in Three-State Visit < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140528613.news > Sea Levels Rising Faster Than Predicted Thanks to Global Warming < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140529726.news > Power Plant Pollution Related to Illness, Death < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140126800.news > Study Touts Biofuels Despite High Cost of Production < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1138881222.news > Cleaner School Buses Mean Healthier Kids < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140531110.news > Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
Keith, Since you mentioned it, I would like to exchange information with active list members in Brazil.Thanks, Ivan > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:26:30 +0900> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?> > Hello all, wherever and elsewhere.> > There are at least 30 Biofuel list members in Malaysia, and at least > 15 in Scotland. There are list members in just about every country > and from almost every culture. I don't see much point in checking > who's here from where unless there's a specific reason for contacting > other local people. Is there, in either of these cases?> > All best> > Keith Addison> Journey to Forever> KYOTO Pref., Japan> http://journeytoforever.org/> > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
Hi, For me there was, as I am struggling to find suppliers for some of the chemicals etc etc. It also helps if there is someone local to either talk to or colaborate with - two heads better than one and all that. Apologies if I have misused the mailing list. Allan. > Hello all, wherever and elsewhere. > > There are at least 30 Biofuel list members in Malaysia, and at least > 15 in Scotland. There are list members in just about every country > and from almost every culture. I don't see much point in checking > who's here from where unless there's a specific reason for contacting > other local people. Is there, in either of these cases? > > All best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
Hello Allan >Hi, > >For me there was, as I am struggling to find suppliers for some of the >chemicals etc etc. But you didn't say so, all you said was this: >Adding on from this, I would like to know if we have any people from >Scotland on the list People do struggle to find chemicals. Quite often they claim it's impossible, they're not available or too expensive. But eventually they find good sources. These chemicals are available at reasonable prices all over the world, once you find your way. It might be worthwhile swapping notes with other locals about this, and useful to have the results in the archives for others to find. But it won't happen unless you say what difficulties you're having and what you've tried so far. >It also helps if there is someone local to either talk >to or colaborate with - two heads better than one and all that. Indeed. So go on and talk then. >Apologies if I have misused the mailing list. Thankyou, but no need. Haven't used it enough maybe. :-) Best Keith >Allan. > > > > Hello all, wherever and elsewhere. > > > > There are at least 30 Biofuel list members in Malaysia, and at least > > 15 in Scotland. There are list members in just about every country > > and from almost every culture. I don't see much point in checking > > who's here from where unless there's a specific reason for contacting > > other local people. Is there, in either of these cases? > > > > All best > > > > Keith Addison > > Journey to Forever > > KYOTO Pref., Japan > > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Journalistic Triumph of Michael Crichton
< http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=the_journalistic_triumph_of_michael_cric&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 > The Journalistic Triumph of Michael Crichton In these days of James Frey's phony memoirs becoming best-selling nonfiction, why shouldn't a novel full of half-truths and misleading nonsense win a journalism award? And so in that spirit of "reality sucker-punching irony into submission," let's have a round of applause for Michael Crichton, whom the American Association of Petroleum Geologists has honored with its Journalism Award for those hard-hitting journalistic classics State of Fear and Jurassic Park "State of Fear," dismisses global warming as a largely imaginary threat embraced by malignant scientists for their own ends. "It is fiction," conceded Larry Nation, communications director for the association. "But it has the absolute ring of truth." "Absolute" except for the made-up and wrong parts, that is. That is not the way leading climate scientists see it. When the book was published in 2004, climate experts condemned it as dangerously divorced from reality. Most of these scientists believe human activity, chiefly the burning of fossil fuels, is changing the atmosphere's chemistry in ways that threaten unpredictable, potentially damaging effects. full article and links < http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=the_journalistic_triumph_of_michael_cric&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 > Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pork earmarks..was..Jobs Restored at NREL
I was watching an episode of "Now" on PBS the other night and they were discussing 'earmarks' There are something like 6,000 earmarks that were inserted into the energy bill. The politicos were complaining that the law has to be changed to bar earmarks from being inserted into "must pass" legislation at the last minute. It is a devious practice that takes advantage of the fact that no legislator can possably actually read and understand the important laws that they are about to vote on. This practice is scandalous at best. The energy bill "earmarks" were largely pork payouts to big oil, regards tallex > ---Original Message--- > From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..Jobs Restored at NREL > Sent: 21 Feb '06 01:06 > > It seems if G.W. could learn to veto pork barrel > earmark spending the nation could benefit from > the renewable energy programs but a program I was > watching said GW doesn't want to embarrass his > Republican party although the Democrats are just > as guilty. Now its up to the US Congress and > hopefully public pressure will bare down so > the money will benefit the nation rather then > their reelection and campaign donors closed > door sessions. > > > > AltEnergyNetwork wrote: > > > > Yes it sounds pretty political, coming 2 days before Bush visits > > NREL. > > The pres has gotten a lot of flack and bad press on this > > so it certainly wouldn't look good visiting the lab with > > this hanging over him, especially in light of his recent state of the union > > "addicted to oil" speech. > > Wait 6 months untill everything quiets down and they will probably > > get laid off again! > > regards > > tallex > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > From: Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Jobs Restored at NREL > > > Sent: 20 Feb '06 15:18 > > > > > > H.. I think Renee's assessment is on the mark > > > > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4481284,00.html > > > 32 jobs restored at energy lab > > > > > >Move comes 2 days before Bush slated to visit NREL facility By Gargi > > > Chakrabarty, Rocky Mountain News > > > February 20, 2006 Thirty-two high-paying jobs that were terminated > earlier > > > this month at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory are being > restored two > > > days before President Bush arrives to tout alternative energy. U.S. > Sen. > > > Wayne Allard's office said late Sunday that the 32 jobs that had been > cut are > > > being restored, effective immediately. He said Energy Secretary > Samuel Bodman > > > told him Sunday that those laid off were being called back to work. > Allard, > > > R-Colo., said the rehires were made possible by shifting unused funding > from > > > other Department of Energy accounts. "I am pleased that my efforts to > > > persuade the Department of Energy to find a way to restore those jobs > have paid > > > off," Allard said. "This is the best news we've had in a long time." > Bush is > > > scheduled to tour the lab and see firsthand the kind of technologies > NREL is > > > developing to boost energy production from the sun and wind, and from > plant and > > > animal waste. The president vowed to break the nation's "addi > > > ction to > > > oil," often from unstable countries, in last month's State of the Union > > > address. Renee Azerbegi, past president and a board member of the > Colorado > > > Renewable Energy Society, said the timing of Sunday's announcement about > > > restoring the 32 positions "all sounds very political." "I think it > has a lot > > > to do with Bush's image," she said. "I don't think they want Bush to > visit NREL > > > knowing a lot of people there are unhappy with him." NREL employs > scientists, > > > academics and researchers - and often collaborates with the private > sector - to > > > find alternatives to oil that are affordable yet dependable sources of > energy. > > > "The president's visit sends a powerful message to the lab that its > work on > > > these technologies is a very important component of the > administration's energy > > > research and development policy," said Bob Noun, NREL's deputy associate > > > director. Noun concedes that the lab, owned by the U.S. Department of > Energy, > > > suffered a huge setback this year. Congress cut $28 milli > > > on from > > > its fiscal 2006 budget. In all, Congress cut the Department of > Energy's > > > budget for all renewable energy programs by more than 35 percent this > fiscal > > > year, which ends Sept. 30. In addition to the 32 layoffs earlier this > month, > > > NREL had to terminate contracts and subcontracts with private > companies. For > > > example, NREL collaborates with the three Detroit carmakers to develop > hydrogen > > > fuel cells to run cars. It also has ann
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
Hello all, wherever and elsewhere. There are at least 30 Biofuel list members in Malaysia, and at least 15 in Scotland. There are list members in just about every country and from almost every culture. I don't see much point in checking who's here from where unless there's a specific reason for contacting other local people. Is there, in either of these cases? All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
