[Biofuel] Microbes in BD

2006-03-18 Thread Thomas Kelly



Hello All,
 I suspect I have microbes 
in my recent batches of BD. 
After washing, I drained the BD and allowed it to 
settle. After a few days I noticed a whispy sediment on the bottom of the 
containers of fuel. I gave the batch another wash and cleaned my 5 gal. settling 
containers. The wash water was clear, but again the whispy sediment appeared 
after a few days.
 My next batch seemed to 
wash very well, but again, a whispy sediment can be observed after the BD is 
drained and allowed to settle.
 I brought a sample of the 
sediment toa local high school. We prepared a stained slide and observed a 
multitude of tiny uniformly-shaped spheres at 400X.
 I put 1 drop of the 
sediment in a glass jar w. 250ml of clear, uncontaminated BD and put 250ml of 
the same clear BD in an identical glass jar (control). Less than 24 hrs. later 
the "innoculated" jar is slightly cloudy w. a very fine sediment on the bottom 
and the control jar continues to be clear.
- I started using WVO that includes some 
tallow. I noticed a post from JJN on 3/17/06 
Re: Tallow:
"I am treating 
all my bio with both an anti fungal and anti oxidant treatment since I use 
tallow alot." 

1. Any thoughts/similar 
experience?
2. If it's microbes of some sort, should I treat the fuel w.a 

 
dieselanti-microbial and then filter it? 
 Will a 
10 micron filter remove these critters?
3. If microbes are 
present, do I have to be concerned w. 

 
metabolic byproducts screwing up the fuel?

 4. If not microbes, what's the 
whispy stuff?

 
Thanks,
 
Tom

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[Biofuel] Fuel Lines for a VW

2006-03-18 Thread Thomas Kelly



Hello to All,
 A friend started using 
BD100 in his VW pickup. It is now "oozing" fuel through the fuel lines. He has 
been unable to find a source for viton fuel lines, but has located a supplier of 
PTFE (a flouropolymer). The marine supplies dealer says PTFE "is virtually inert 
to all chemicals ... organic solvents do not attack PTFE."
 Can these PTFE fuel lines 
be used w. BD? If not, does anyone know a source for viton fuel 
lines?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in BD

2006-03-18 Thread Ken Provost
On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:44 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: I started using WVO that includes some tallow. what's the wispy stuff?It's esters of stearic, palmitic, and other saturated fatty acidsprecipitating out of solution. Try warming the spheres slightlyand see if they melt. Biodiesel made from tallow does thisunless kept reasonably warm (summertime temperatures).-K___
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Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in BD

2006-03-18 Thread Thomas Kelly



Ken,
 I normally heat the 
settled BD to about 125F to dry it.When I do this towhispy 
batchthe whispy stuff seems to clump and then rise to the surface in small 
globs.
 
Tom

  - Original Message - 
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  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:26 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in 
  BD
  
  
  On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:44 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
  
  
I started using WVO that includes some 
tallow. 
  
what's the wispy stuff?

  
  It's esters of stearic, palmitic, and other saturated fatty acids
  precipitating out of solution. Try warming the spheres slightly
  and see if they melt. Biodiesel made from tallow does this
  unless kept reasonably warm (summertime temperatures).
  
  -K
  
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Lines for a VW

2006-03-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Probably the return lines on the injectors?  That's what's leaking on
mine after only a month (and other VW people say those little ones
always leak - combination of heat and biodiesel, and they might be
inferior rubber compared to the main 5/16 supply and return lines). 
If the PTFE is heat resistant, then I'd try it.  What most people
recommend is urethane lines, which are apparently available at
motorcycle shops.

On 3/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello to All,
  A friend started using BD100 in his VW pickup. It is now oozing fuel
 through the fuel lines. He has been unable to find a source for viton fuel
 lines, but has located a supplier of PTFE (a flouropolymer). The marine
 supplies dealer says PTFE is virtually inert to all chemicals ... organic
 solvents do not attack PTFE.
  Can these PTFE fuel lines be used w. BD? If not, does anyone know a
 source for viton fuel lines?
Thanks,
 Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Lines for a VW

2006-03-18 Thread Mike McGinness
Thomas,

PTFE will work as far as chemical resistance goes but it is very rigid
and depending on the wall thickness requires a large bending radius to
keep it from collapsing (sharp bends). The thicker wall PTFE will take
tighter radiuses without collapsing. It is also about the most expensive
plastic tubing you can select. Finally the fittings / clamps can be a
bit tricky with PTFE.

Viton in the thin wall will collapse very easily under suction. Viton is
very flexible. If you use viton I would try and find a reinforced viton
hose designed for suction / pressure service.

There are a variety of other tubing materials you might also consider.
One is Kynar. It is about half the cost of PTFE and should be just as
good for BD. Un-reinforced Kynar and PTFE can handle substantial suction
and pressure service where as unreinforced Viton can not.

Lab supply retailers like Cole-Parmer, although expensive, have a wide
variety of tubing materials and sizes to select from. I would also
suggest looking for industrial HOSE suppliers in the local phone
directory or online. They probably have a special, low cost (compared to
Viton and PTFE) BD fuel hose in stock.

Has anyone tried standard low pressure paint hose for BD?

It is available from paint equipment dealers. It has a solvent resistant
white nylon tube on the inside and a solvent resistant black elastomer
like cover (looks like black tire rubber) on the outside. It is suitable
for highly aggressive solvents so it should work great with BD. It is
great for suction or pressure use, usually up to 125 PSIG, as it has
internal reinforcing between the inner (Nylon) and out tube materials.

Mike McGinness

Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Hello to All, A friend started using BD100 in his VW pickup. It is
 now oozing fuel through the fuel lines. He has been unable to find a
 source for viton fuel lines, but has located a supplier of PTFE (a
 flouropolymer). The marine supplies dealer says PTFE is virtually
 inert to all chemicals ... organic solvents do not attack PTFE.
 Can these PTFE fuel lines be used w. BD? If not, does anyone know a
 source for viton fuel lines?
 Thanks,Tom


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[Biofuel] Fw: Funny :)

2006-03-18 Thread keith



  
 
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[Biofuel] Fw: Sexy

2006-03-18 Thread keith



  
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in BD

2006-03-18 Thread Ken Provost
On Mar 18, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: I normally heat the settled BD to about 125F to dry it. When I do this towispy batch the wispy stuff seems to clump and then rise to the surfacein small globs.H..maybe somebody else here has seen this before --  it's anew one to me. Somehow I doubt microbes -- I think that would takemonths or years.-K___
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Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in BD

2006-03-18 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Tom,
It's all those little mad cows swimming around  ;-)

Seriously, have you tried treating the 'innoculated' jar with the
anti-microbial to see if it clears up?  Or, try a third jar that is
innoculated and treated with anti-microbial?

Is there a microbiologist on the list?

On 3/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello All,
  I suspect I have microbes in my recent batches of BD.
 After washing, I drained the BD and allowed it to settle. After a few days I
 noticed a whispy sediment on the bottom of the containers of fuel. I gave
 the batch another wash and cleaned my 5 gal. settling containers. The wash
 water was clear, but again the whispy sediment appeared after a few days.
  My next batch seemed to wash very well, but again, a whispy sediment
 can be observed after the BD is drained and allowed to settle.
  I brought a sample of the sediment to a local high school. We prepared
 a stained slide and observed a multitude of tiny uniformly-shaped spheres at
 400X.
  I put 1 drop of the sediment in a glass jar w. 250ml of clear,
 uncontaminated BD and put 250ml of the same clear BD in an identical glass
 jar (control). Less than 24 hrs. later the innoculated jar is slightly
 cloudy w. a very fine sediment on the bottom and the control jar continues
 to be clear.
   -  I started using WVO that includes some tallow. I noticed a post
 from JJN on 3/17/06 Re: Tallow:
 I am treating all my bio with both an anti fungal and anti oxidant
 treatment since I use tallow alot.

1.  Any thoughts/similar experience?
2.  If it's microbes of some sort, should I treat the fuel w. a
 diesel anti-microbial and then filter it?
 Will a 10 micron filter remove these critters?
 3.  If microbes are present, do I have to be concerned w.

 metabolic byproducts screwing up the fuel?

 4. If not microbes, what's the whispy stuff?

   Thanks,
   Tom


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[Biofuel] The Proposed Iranian Oil Bourse

2006-03-18 Thread D. Mindock
 NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN


The Proposed Iranian Oil Bourse

Abstract: the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse will accelerate the fall of the
American Empire.

By Krassimir Petrov, Ph.D.

I. Economics of Empires

01/19/06 Gold Eagle -- -- A nation-state taxes its own citizens, while an
empire taxes other nation-states. The history of empires, from Greek and
Roman, to Ottoman and British, teaches that the economic foundation of every
single empire is the taxation of other nations. The imperial ability to tax
has always rested on a better and stronger economy, and as a consequence, a
better and stronger military. One part of the subject taxes went to improve
the living standards of the empire; the other part went to strengthen the
military dominance necessary to enforce the collection of those taxes.

Historically, taxing the subject state has been in various forms-usually
gold and silver, where those were considered money, but also slaves,
soldiers, crops, cattle, or other agricultural and natural resources,
whatever economic goods the empire demanded and the subject-state could
deliver. Historically, imperial taxation has always been direct: the subject
state handed over the economic goods directly to the empire.

For the first time in history, in the twentieth century, America was able to
tax the world indirectly, through inflation. It did not enforce the direct
payment of taxes like all of its predecessor empires did, but distributed
instead its own fiat currency, the U.S. Dollar, to other nations in exchange
for goods with the intended consequence of inflating and devaluing those
dollars and paying back later each dollar with less economic goods-the
difference capturing the U.S. imperial tax. Here is how this happened.

Early in the 20th century, the U.S. economy began to dominate the world
economy. The U.S. dollar was tied to gold, so that the value of the dollar
neither increased, nor decreased, but remained the same amount of gold. The
Great Depression, with its preceding inflation from 1921 to 1929 and its
subsequent ballooning government deficits, had substantially increased the
amount of currency in circulation, and thus rendered the backing of U.S.
dollars by gold impossible. This led Roosevelt to decouple the dollar from
gold in 1932. Up to this point, the U.S. may have well dominated the world
economy, but from an economic point of view, it was not an empire. The fixed
value of the dollar did not allow the Americans to extract economic benefits
from other countries by supplying them with dollars convertible to gold.

Economically, the American Empire was born with Bretton Woods in 1945. The
U.S. dollar was not fully convertible to gold, but was made convertible to
gold only to foreign governments. This established the dollar as the reserve
currency of the world. It was possible, because during WWII, the United
States had supplied its allies with provisions, demanding gold as payment,
thus accumulating significant portion of the world's gold. An Empire would
not have been possible if, following the Bretton Woods arrangement, the
dollar supply was kept limited and within the availability of gold, so as to
fully exchange back dollars for gold. However, the guns-and-butter policy of
the 1960's was an imperial one: the dollar supply was relentlessly increased
to finance Vietnam and LBJ's Great Society. Most of those dollars were
handed over to foreigners in exchange for economic goods, without the
prospect of buying them back at the same value. The increase in dollar
holdings of foreigners via persistent U.S. trade deficits was tantamount to
a tax-the classical inflation tax that a country imposes on its own
citizens, this time around an inflation tax that U.S. imposed on rest of the
world.

When in 1970-1971 foreigners demanded payment for their dollars in gold, The
U.S. Government defaulted on its payment on August 15, 1971. While the
popular spin told the story of severing the link between the dollar and
gold, in reality the denial to pay back in gold was an act of bankruptcy by
the U.S. Government. Essentially, the U.S. declared itself an Empire. It had
extracted an enormous amount of economic goods from the rest of the world,
with no intention or ability to return those goods, and the world was
powerless to respond- the world was taxed and it could not do anything about
it.

From that point on, to sustain the American Empire and to continue to tax
the rest of the world, the United States had to force the world to continue
to accept ever-depreciating dollars in exchange for economic goods and to
have the world hold more and more of those depreciating dollars. It had to
give the world an economic reason to hold them, and that reason was oil.

In 1971, as it became clearer and clearer that the U.S Government would not
be able to buy back its dollars in gold, it made in 1972-73 an iron-clad
arrangement with Saudi Arabia to support the power of the House of Saud in
exchange for accepting only U.S. 

Re: [Biofuel] off topic Fwd:The Donkey

2006-03-18 Thread William Adams



Hi Kim,

We all need a good chuckle now and then. 
Thanks for mine today. :-) And brighter blessings to you.

Oregon Bob

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  Subject: [Biofuel] off topic Fwd:The 
  Donkey
  Greetings,I know this is off 
  topic, but it is way too funny/wise to not be passed on.Enjoy and Bright 
  Blessings,Kim
  

  
Subject: The Donkey

This is a story we all could 
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Donkey 
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Tallow

2006-03-18 Thread JJJN
Thanks Keith,
I must have read that just backwards the first time.  That makes me feel 
alot better about using it too.
Hope I did not dissuade any one from its use.

The day came that the rubber met the road here - I filled my 2000 Dodge 
Cumins with Biodiesel that have been making all winter.  I started with 
a B-35-40 ratio.  My filter plugged up within 15 miles, but for-warned 
is to be prepared, so I had another filter on hand and I quickly changed 
it.  My mileage went up about 2 MPG and I have not noticed a power 
change.  I noticed an incredible lack of smell and noise, a friend said 
it sounded like a Duramax and  smells better than a car.

Would like to thank every one for the help in getting started with this 
incredible fuel.

Jim

Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Jim

Tallow has a low Iodine Value, not high. Variously given as 50-60, 
33-47, 50, 35-48, but not higher than 60. Low IV, high melting point, 
not good for winter, but it's not a drying oil given to rapid 
oxidation and polymerisation.

Iodine Values
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine

Oxidation and polymerisation
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#oxid

Best

Keith


  

Bob,
I really like the bd from tallow and (grill Grease) but it has a very
low winter use and high iodine value.  I am treating all my bio with
both an anti fungal and anti oxidant treatment since I use tallow alot.
as far as winterizing in Montana the process is simple: Mid March
through mid September. petro the rest. I also think you should use it up
as fast as possible. ( dont store)   Keep in touch  with the results
you  get from tallow as I also am interested.

Thanks

Jim

Bob Carr wrote:



Hi Pablo,
I am in the middle of testing tallow myself. It does produce good Bd,
but in my opinion it is best to use the two stage acid/base
method.with this feedstock.
Regards
Bob

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*Subject:* [Biofuel] Tallow

Hi,

Is there someone Who had worked Bio diesel from tallow?

I do Know the process but I am afraid I not sure about
quantities.  What one should be the Ph for the trtation process?

Is OK KOH and Methanol?

Well any one Who Knows Would be helpful

Thanks


Pablo
  



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Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in BD

2006-03-18 Thread JJJN
Tom,
Fungus is common in any regular diesel fuel and can be in any biofuel as 
well.  It is not bad other than you will plug filters much faster and it 
can cause corrosion if it is the right type.  Nothing is safe if it is 
not 100% dry (free water that is).  All parts stores sell an anti fungal 
additive and its also an anti oxidant. If you store the bio for long 
periods ( like winter)  then you might consider adding it to your stored 
fuel.  It is not real expensive if used as directed.

Keep in mind that after it is added to Biodiesel, the Biodiesel is no 
longer biodegradable and non toxic to the same degree that it was.  So 
for this reason I like to add it to the truck not the freshly made stuff 
that I will use in a week or two.

I don't know if fuel makers treat Diesel with it at the refinery or not, 
I wouldst think they would with the spill hazards it creates.  ( It is 
toxic to fish in very small quantities)

Any one got a good way of disinfecting a reactor ??

The best of luck!

Jim

Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Hello All,
  I suspect I have microbes in my recent batches of BD.
 After washing, I drained the BD and allowed it to settle. After a few 
 days I noticed a whispy sediment on the bottom of the containers of 
 fuel. I gave the batch another wash and cleaned my 5 gal. settling 
 containers. The wash water was clear, but again the whispy sediment 
 appeared after a few days.
  My next batch seemed to wash very well, but again, a whispy 
 sediment can be observed after the BD is drained and allowed to settle.
  I brought a sample of the sediment to a local high school. We 
 prepared a stained slide and observed a multitude of tiny 
 uniformly-shaped spheres at 400X.
  I put 1 drop of the sediment in a glass jar w. 250ml of clear, 
 uncontaminated BD and put 250ml of the same clear BD in an identical 
 glass jar (control). Less than 24 hrs. later the innoculated jar is 
 slightly cloudy w. a very fine sediment on the bottom and the control 
 jar continues to be clear.
-  I started using WVO that includes some tallow. I noticed a 
 post from JJN on 3/17/06 Re: Tallow:
 I am treating all my bio with both an anti fungal and anti oxidant 
 treatment since I use tallow alot. 
  
 1.  Any thoughts/similar experience?
 2.  If it's microbes of some sort, should I treat the fuel w. a
 diesel anti-microbial and then filter it?   
 Will a 10 micron filter remove these critters?
 3 .  If microbes are present, do I have to be concerned w.
 metabolic byproducts screwing up the fuel?
  
 4. If not microbes, what's the whispy stuff?
  
   Thanks,
   Tom



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[Biofuel] Audi Makes History as Diesel-powered Audi Wins Twelve Hours of Sebring

2006-03-18 Thread ItalysBadBoy
http://www.americanlemans.com/News/Article.aspx?ID=1872AUDI MAKES HISTORY AS DIESEL-POWERED R10 TDI WINS MOBIL 1 TWELVE HOURS OF SEBRINGAudi Sport North America made history Saturday as the diesel-powered Audi R10 TDI of Tom Kristensen, Allan McNish and Rinaldo Capello won the Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring. The new prototype is the first diesel car in the world to win a major sports car race.   "Our R10 TDI is a real racing car," Kristensen said. "Over two stints, you can drive it very precisely, which is a combination of the diesel power and immense torque. It's simply pure fun to drive it."The No. 2 Audi won the opening race of the 2006 American Le Mans Series by three laps over Intersport Racing's No. 37 Lola B05/40-AER. After winning the pole position, the No. 2 car had to have its heat exchanger switched before the race and had to start the race from pit lane and
 in 34th position. But by the two-hour mark, the pole-sitting car had moved back into the lead when the No. 1 sister car had to pit.Kristensen gave the No. 2 car the lead for good when Marco Werner, driving with defending Series champions Frank Biela and Emanuele Pirro in the No. 1 Audi R10 TDI, pulled the car into the garage just shy of the four-hour mark. Shortly thereafter, the car was retired due to overheating. That left Kristensen, Capello and McNish to comfortably run out front. Kristensen added yet another record to his already impressive résumé. He is now has four overall wins at Sebring, the most in the race's 54-year history. He also has won the 24 Hours of Le Mans seven times, including the last six in a row.Intersport Racing stole the thunder from Penske Racing in LMP2, outlasting the two Porsche RS Spyders for the team's second class win at Sebring. Defending class champion Clint Field teamed with his father Jon
 Field and Liz Halliday for the victory over the No. 6 Penske Porsche, which lost drive after 323 laps while leading.Like the Audi, Intersport's Lola also came from the rear of the field after turning in one qualifying lap Thursday.Olivier Beretta, Oliver Gavin and Jan Magnussen gave Corvette Racing got a measure of revenge in GT1 by beating Aston Martin Racing in a rematch from lasT year. The trio from the No. 4 Corvette C6.R won at Sebring for the first time as a group. They topped Aston Martin Racing's No. 009 Aston Martin DBR9 of Pedro Lamy, Jason Bright and Stephane Sarrazin by a lap.The victory gives Beretta 25 career Series victories, the most in its eight-year history. Magnussen also has won at least one race in each of the eight years of the American Le Mans Series.In GT2, David Brabham, Scott Maxwell and reigning Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais piloted their No. 50 Panoz Esperante of Multimatic Motorsports
 Team Panoz to a 33-second victory. The trio beat the No. 45 Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche of Johannes van Overbeek, Jon Fogarty and Marc Lieb for only the second Series win for the Panoz Esperante GTLM.Four different marques - Panoz, Porsche, BMW and Ferrari - all led laps during the race, which featured 25 lead changes in class.
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