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Re: [Biofuel] distilling fuel/reactant ethanol

2006-04-25 Thread pan ruti

Helow Paul The non renewable energy sector with its good marketing system make people not think of this noval Biofuel system .Here we are very sucessful to make the direct burning of caster oil and alcohol for cooking.Very cheap stoves can be used for doing the cooking , not having smoke. Better than kerosene.The rural energy is the root cause of the underdevelopments. Several tones of fruits of bad quality, here to be estimated to be more than 40 porcent of the fruits expoted , are all wasted, can be very easily fermented and the extraction process without distillation can be done any rural people , no chemicals needed, leading to vable biofuel . Together with petrol pump , this mixture of etanol castor can be sold , as an good additivos for IC engines . Wishing a good sucessPaul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: After thinking about this and searching the archives...Anyone actually doing this?What is the minimun amount of castor oil per volume of water/ethanolsolution to be effective?Are there any applications where the castor/ethanol solution could beburned directly? i.e. in an diesel/gasoline(RUG) engine, heater, etc.mixed with RUG, BD?Will the castor/ethanol mix with RUG, since it has very low water? Will it mix well with diesel or biodieselthinking out loud.On 4/23/06, Jan Warnqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Jason and Kate, the reason for this is simple. The castor oil (unlike most other vegetable oils) is ethanol soluble. This means that most other oils will not do the trick. With best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC
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Re: [Biofuel] Eating (up) the World

2006-04-25 Thread Burak

I should find this film and arrange a display in my kids school.

The remarks from the below e-mail leaves very little to comment.
I want to point out one thing though The company does not have a heart!.

This is a good point.  This is a chioce we all make sometimes in our lives.
It is a very very simple decision actually;
- Do you follow the money?
- Do you follow a more ethical path?

Do you work to provide a value in your profession, whatever it could be?
Or are you there for the money?

When you are young, choices are more open.  You are a bit more independent
(no family kids etc.) and you have less professional binds (just starting
your career).
This is the most critical stage.  The decisions at this stage can make you
either set you free or make you slave later in your life.
10 years later with family and kids, starting over may not be a personal
choice anymore.  There are people to support, or dependent to you
However if you have played carefully you will have options and alternatives
coming to you.

How about if you are running a for profit organization aka Company?  You
have staff waiting to be paid and even maybe share holders squezing you.
Choices you will have to face are quite critical and stressfull.  By sharing
the vision with your staff you may come up with an ethical an human
organization.
But believe me some organizations has only one value, and as long as it is
within the legal limits, they will seek that, which is money.
If you have one of those competing with you, life will be very interesting.
They will try to bend the rules and reduce costs while delivering very often
low quality solutions, wasting resources and polluting at the same time.

Of course your clients are important.  But typical buyer looks at the price
tag.  If you have dealt with Purchasing managers, you will understand what I
mean.
And of course governments do need to regulate on benefit of people not the
big (or small) corporates.  Purchasing departments will buy the cheapest
whereever it is made.  They will make the manufacturer sign papers promising
to use good manufacturing practices.  While knowing that they will not.
Because at those margins everything is a luxury. They will not provide
decent working environments or working hours.  They will not invest in
systems like water treatment.  The products will make it to the western
world.  The thrash will stay in the 3rd world.  Which may be carried
miles away in form acid rain to the other countries

Anyway, as I said, I will try to find this movie should be interesting to
watch.

Regards

Burak


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Subject: [Biofuel] Eating (up) the World


(Compliments of Ken Hargesheimer.)

http://www2.dw-world.de/southasia/germany/1.178686.1.html
DW-WORLD.DE - Eating (up) the World
13.04.2006

Eating (up) the World

Scene from Erwin Wagenhofer's documentary 'We feed the world' (Austria,
2006)

We feed the world - Essen global is the most successful documentary
in Austrian history. Its subject is the global food industry, but the
film is an appeal to Austrian, European and western audiences in
general to rethink just what havoc they might be wreaking by their
very choice of the menu.

We must change the way we live is the basic message of this
merciless take on the modern food industry. Director Erwin Wagenhofer
wanted to know where the Europeans got their foodstuffs from - and
got some pretty disturbing answers. He followed the trail of the
tomatoes from the Naschmarkt market in Vienna back to gigantic
greenhouses in Spain, and chicken breast cutlets on the shelves of
supermarkets back to industrial feeding farms. This was followed by a
further question: why was it that mountains of surplus foodstuff were
being disposed of year after year in Europe, while so many people
were dying of hunger in other parts of the world.

A child that dies of hunger today, has been murdered

In the film, UN hunger expert Jean Ziegler makes the rather startling
statement: World agriculture is capable of feeding 12 billion people
with ease, which means that a child that dies of hunger today, has
been murdered. A whole series of interlocutors, of many nations and
professions, air their opinion in the film, but none so often and so
repeatedly as Jean Ziegler. Otherwise Wagenhofer takes his camera to
Brazil, where thousands of hectares of primary rainforest have been
sacrificed for the purpose of growing soya for cattle feed in
Austria. Biologist Vincent José Puhl has a rather pithy way of
putting it: European cattle are eating up the Amazon rainforest.

A company does not have a heart

The 'Pioneer' company is the world's biggest producer of crop seeds -
and Karl Otrok is Pioneer's production chief in Romania. Standing in
the middle of Pioneer's fields Otrok has no difficulty - or
trepidation - in confessing: You know,

Re: [Biofuel] 1L Acid/Base Test Batch: Questions

2006-04-25 Thread Keith Addison

Hello Sean

Thanks, Keith.

I just checked the KOH .pdf data sheet at TheChemistryStore.com, where I
bought the KOH)  it says it's 100%. That doesn't seem exactly right,
but it could explain the washing, given that I threw in a little extra.

And:

The KOH is 90%. That's what I get for reading the data sheet instead
of the web page.

Then 3.1 g 100% NaOH x 1.4025 = 4.34775 g 100% KOH = 4.83 g of 90% 
KOH per litre of oil.

A titration is a good idea. I was lazily avoiding it . . .

You can't avoid it unless you use virgin oil. In fact for your 
initial acid-base process tests you should be using virgin oil, not 
WVO, one step at a time. People often want to go straight from 
nowhere to acid-base so they can avoid learning titration - lousy 
reason, and you can't avoid it anyway. Some people avoid biodiesel 
altogether because of the titration problem and opt for an SVO 
system instead. Then they want to use WVO with it and think all they 
have to do is filter, filter, filter, the three alleged rules of 
SVO. Nope, it needs high-quality oil = titration. It's easy enough, 
you just have to be a bit rigorous.

And, yeah, the final volume thing is weird. Undoubtedly, I lost a little
here and there in transferring stuff to and from different containers,
but certainly no more than 20 mL. Some of the Methanol has also surely
evaporated . . .

Usually nearly all of it just condenses on the underside of the lid 
or whatever and falls back in. If you're not using something with a 
lid then you should be.

I must be missing something.

Yes, 24% is not a trivial amount. That's surely your problem, if 
there is one. Yet you got quite good results anyway, remarkable. 
Well, I keep saying it's very flexible.

I think if you tighten everything up so you end up with the 
quantities you started with you should be just fine.

Good luck!

Keith


Anyway, thanks much for the response.

-Sean

On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 05:33 +0900, Keith Addison wrote:
  Hello Sean
 
  Hi, Folks:
  
  I'm kind of new to the list; I've spent a lot of time in the
  archives already, and I know this ground has been covered. But any
  advice/input any of you want to share would be great. Oh, and: I'm
  an English professor, not a chemist, so my apologies for what must
  seem like sloppy lab documentation to some of you!
 
  Looks okay to me, but then I'm a journalist not a chemist. :-)
 
  You need to know the purity of the KOH. It's unlikely to be pure,
  more likely 92% or 85%. You can find the equivalent amounts to use
  here:
  http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#koh
 
  If you have some NaOH for comparison you might be able to do a sort
  of comparative titration which will tell you the right amount of
  KOH to use.
 
  It also helps to titrate the oil, even with the acid-base method -
  though you won't use the titration result in the process itself, it
  always helps to know as much as you can about your oil, especially
  with first test batches, and titration tells you more than anything
  else will.
 
  I'm a little puzzled because it seems you're using 1 litre of oil,
  which should total 1,200 ml with the methanol, but you have 800 ml of
  biodiesel and 110 ml of by-product, so 290 ml seems to be missing.
  Still, the by-product ratio is not far off.
 
  Anyway, you're doing well, IMHO. The wash separates at least, albeit
  somewhat slowly, and you don't mention an emulsion layer, though it
  sounds like you really beat it up.
 
  Keep going, refine and improve and check whatever you can, and you'll
  get there.
 
  For reprocessing, use 10% methanol and whatever you decide the KOH
  equivalent is of 3.5 g NaOH per litre of oil. I doubt the pauses made
  much difference.
 
  HTH.
 
  Best
 
  Keith
 
 
  Over the weekend, I tried my first test batch of acid/base stuff;
  I've had plenty of success making this using both the conventional
  and base/base reactions (I had quite a lot of success with the
  latter, actually). Here are the specs:
  
  de-watered vegetable oil (a mixture, fairly clean  used fairly lightly)
  H2SO4 (95%-98%)
  KOH (purity?)
  Methanol
  
  
  1. I warmed the veg oil to 95F  added--while stirring--80mL of Methanol
  2. I stirred that (on a little magnet stirrer) until a
  suspension clearly formed and added 1mL of H2SO4
  3. After 20 minutes or so I paused the stirring to move the
  beaker back to the heating pad to warm it again
  4. Continued stirring for 80 more minutes
  5. Let the mixture rest for 20 hours
  6. Dissolved 4.9 g of the KOH (because I'm not sure about its
  purity) into 120ML of Methanol
  7. Heated the oil-Methanol-H2SO4 blend to 135F
  8. Slowly added the methoxide to the blend, while stirring
  9. Twice, during the hour of stirring, I had to pause to re-heat
  the oil; in all, stirred for about 75 minutes
  10.Settlement seemed very slow--it took a couple of hours to
  settle into distinct layers
  11.The glycerine layer is only about 110mL
  12.The

[Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Mike Weaver

http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506

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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Michael Redler

Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists:They concede to:The rising costs of oil exploration  The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel  The fact that for every three barrels used there is only onebarrel of newly discovered oil to replenish it.At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay the peak.They alsomake the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to run out of oil".What does "about" mean and when will they have the foresight to see the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More importantly, who is "the World" and when are they going to count countries (i.e. Iraq) who areslowly losing control of their oil.
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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Mike Weaver

Redler, you never like my ideas.  You've made me cry.  Now how do you 
feel?  *snif*

Ok I can't leave well enough alone.  A good friend who follows peak oil 
pretty closely sent me this.  I think it's optimistic at best and pretty 
delusional at worst.  How long will it take (and cost) to get all this 
whiz bang stuff going?   There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy 
is doomed.  Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we 
can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next
phase.  Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to 
continue to climb and climb.

They also make the sweeping statement that the World is not about to 
run out of oil.  The world WILL NEVER run out of oil.  There just WON'T 
BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are.  I'm sure there will alwasy be a 
trickle ot two...

Weaver




Michael Redler wrote:

 Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists:
  
 They concede to:
  
 The rising costs of oil exploration
 The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel
 The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of 
 newly discovered oil to replenish it.
  
 At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques 
 in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay 
 the peak. 
  
 They also make the sweeping statement that the World is not about to 
 run out of oil.
  
 What does about mean and when will they have the foresight to see 
 the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More 
 importantly, who is the World and when are they going to count 
 countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil.
  
 What a bunch of crap!
  
 Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you.
  
 Mike


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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread David Miller





Mike Weaver wrote:

  Redler, you never like my ideas.  You've made me cry.  Now how do you 
feel?  *snif*

Ok I can't leave well enough alone.  A good friend who follows peak oil 
pretty closely sent me this.  I think it's optimistic at best and pretty 
delusional at worst.  


I found it to be very revealing. Keep in mind that "The Economist" is
about as conservative as they come.

For decades now BigOil(tm) has been telling us that there's no global
warming, no shortage of oil, no peak oil event to be concerned about.
Reserves were essentially endless and we could all drive our SUV's
without a worry.

While their conclusions were kind of suspect (Don't worry! Be Happy!)
the number of points they conceded was a shocker to me. Things like
these:

It is true that the big firms are struggling to replace reserves
...

And as the great fields of the North Sea and Alaska mature, non-OPEC oil production will probably peak by 2010 or
2015 ..


[Note: Do they have ANY idea at all what peak oil OUTSIDE OPEC will
mean to the industrial world?]
After Ghawar..
Further, just because there are no more Ghawars does not mean an end
to
discovery altogether. Using ever fancier technologies, the oil business
is drilling in deeper waters, more difficult terrain and even in the
Arctic (which, as global warming melts the polar ice cap,
will
perversely become the next great prize in oil). ..


In recent weeks a scandal has engulfed Kuwait, too. Petroleum
Intelligence Weekly (PIW),
a respected industry newsletter, got hold of government documents
suggesting that Kuwait might have only half of the nearly 100 billion
barrels in oil reserves that it claims (Saudi Arabia claims 260 billion
barrels)...

The other worry of pessimists is that alternatives to oil simply cannot
be brought online fast enough to compensate for oil's imminent decline.
..

The best reason to think so comes from the radical transformation now
taking place among big oil firms. The global oil industry, argues
Chevron, is changing from an exploration business to a manufacturing
business. [] Several big GTL projects are under way in Qatar, where the
North gas field is perhaps
twice the size of even Ghawar when measured in terms of the energy it
contains. Nigeria and others are also pursuing GTL. Since the
world has far more natural gas left than oilmuch of it outside the
Middle Eastmaking fuel in this way would greatly increase the world's
remaining supplies of oil...


For a right-wing paper like them this is practically a wholesale
surrender. They're actually talking about global warming, peak oil,
alternative fuels, finding less oil than we're using, etc etc. It's
progress - the more they start to acknowledge these things the less the
environmentalists/peak-oil people look like nutcases. It's just a
different interpretation of timing.

They'll come 'round in the end, of course. If they're right about
non-OPEC oil peaking in 2010 to 2015 current administrations all around
the world ought to sit up and take notice though - with demand growing
and non-OPEC production declining they're completely in the drivers
seat.

--- David


  How long will it take (and cost) to get all this 
whiz bang stuff going?   There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy 
is doomed.  Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we 
can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next
phase.  Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to 
continue to climb and climb.

They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to 
run out of oil".  The world WILL NEVER run out of oil.  There just WON'T 
BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are.  I'm sure there will alwasy be a 
trickle ot two...

Weaver




Michael Redler wrote:

  
  
Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists:
 
They concede to:
 
The rising costs of oil exploration
The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel
The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of 
newly discovered oil to replenish it.
 
At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques 
in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay 
the peak. 
 
They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to 
run out of oil".
 
What does "about" mean and when will they have the foresight to see 
the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More 
importantly, who is "the World" and when are they going to count 
countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil.
 
What a bunch of crap!
 
Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you.
 
Mike


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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Joe Street





WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING..


http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html

That's sarcasm folks...

Joe




Mike Weaver wrote:

  Redler, you never like my ideas.  You've made me cry.  Now how do you 
feel?  *snif*

Ok I can't leave well enough alone.  A good friend who follows peak oil 
pretty closely sent me this.  I think it's optimistic at best and pretty 
delusional at worst.  How long will it take (and cost) to get all this 
whiz bang stuff going?   There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy 
is doomed.  Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we 
can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next
phase.  Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to 
continue to climb and climb.

They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to 
run out of oil".  The world WILL NEVER run out of oil.  There just WON'T 
BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are.  I'm sure there will alwasy be a 
trickle ot two...

Weaver




Michael Redler wrote:

  
  
Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists:
 
They concede to:
 
The rising costs of oil exploration
The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel
The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of 
newly discovered oil to replenish it.
 
At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques 
in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay 
the peak. 
 
They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to 
run out of oil".
 
What does "about" mean and when will they have the foresight to see 
the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More 
importantly, who is "the World" and when are they going to count 
countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil.
 
What a bunch of crap!
 
Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you.
 
Mike


*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506



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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Hakan Falk

LOL!

US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now
it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of
current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles. So
instead of dependance of foreign oil, US will be dependent of foreign
autos, but it is a large improvement of the situation anyway. Diesel
engines 30% more efficient with smaller autos 50% more efficient and
US will be at the level of Europeans. By the way, where is the
freedom cars? On the streets of Europe! After this, US maybe
even discover biodiesel.

Hakan

At 23:10 25/04/2006, you wrote:
WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING..

http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.htmlhttp://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html

That's sarcasm folks...

Joe

Mike Weaver wrote:

Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you
feel? *snif*

Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil
pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at best and pretty
delusional at worst. How long will it take (and cost) to get all this
whiz bang stuff going? There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy
is doomed. Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we
can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next
phase. Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to
continue to climb and climb.

They also make the sweeping statement that the World is not about to
run out of oil. The world WILL NEVER run out of oil. There just WON'T
BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are. I'm sure there will alwasy be a
trickle ot two...

Weaver

Michael Redler wrote:

Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists:

They concede to:

The rising costs of oil exploration
The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel
The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of
newly discovered oil to replenish it.

At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques
in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay
the peak.

They also make the sweeping statement that the World is not about to
run out of oil.

What does about mean and when will they have the foresight to see
the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More
importantly, who is the World and when are they going to count
countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil.

What a bunch of crap!

Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you.

Mike

*/Mike Weaver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506

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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Michael Redler

The great thing about the dialog we are having is that it is (conceivably) a permanent record of the times, creating perhaps a smaller task for revisionist historians in the future. The Neo-Conservatives of today will be compared (even more) to the cast of characters in Arthur Miller's "The Crucible".Now all we need is for someone to read it in a hundred years (assuming our species is still around)....gotta go. My alien implant is bugging me again.MikeHakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL!US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles. So instead of
dependance of foreign oil, US will be dependent of foreign autos, but it is a large improvement of the situation anyway. Diesel engines 30% more efficient with smaller autos 50% more efficient and US will be at the level of Europeans. By the way, where is the "freedom cars"? On the streets of Europe! After this, US maybe even discover biodiesel.HakanAt 23:10 25/04/2006, you wrote:WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING..http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.htmlThat's sarcasm folks...JoeMike Weaver wrote:Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do youfeel? *snif*Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oilpretty closely sent me
this. I think it's optimistic at best and prettydelusional at worst. How long will it take (and cost) to get all thiswhiz bang stuff going? There's no doubt in my mind the petro economyis doomed. Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while wecan, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the nextphase. Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going tocontinue to climb and climb.They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about torun out of oil". The world WILL NEVER run out of oil. There just WON'TBE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are. I'm sure there will alwasy be atrickle ot two...WeaverMichael Redler wrote:Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless
economists:They concede to:The rising costs of oil explorationThe eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuelThe fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel ofnewly discovered oil to replenish it.At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniquesin exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delaythe peak.They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about torun out of oil".What does "about" mean and when will they have the foresight to seethe value of doing something sooner rather than later? Moreimportantly, who is "the World" and when are they going to countcountries (i.e. Iraq)
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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

2006-04-25 Thread Mike Weaver

We used to buy diesel cars in the US, but they were never too popular.

Hakan Falk wrote:

LOL!

Hakan

At 23:10 25/04/2006, you wrote:

WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING..