[Biofuel] What Does the NSA Know About You?
An interesting read. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/44218 -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity. These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!... there is no such thing as an atomic style cooling tower any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. Normally two cooling towers would represent the presence of two reactors with a combined capacity of at least ten megawatts. What practical use were there for cooling towers if it was a coal fired plant? umh, your average nuclear power reactor is some two orders of magnitude greater- usually in the ball park of 1000 Megawatts per reactor, not 5 All fossil fuel boilers including the hot water heater in your house have safety valves on them which are designed to open and vent any excess pressure into the air. When they open, both pressure and temperature inside the boiler rapidly decrease preventing the unit from blowing up . Since conventional plants only release steam (water vapour) into the air the venting is harmless. Here we have instant venting and fast shut down so there is no need to provide for much reserve cooling. To the best of my knowledge nuclear style cooling towers on a fossil fuel power plant are completely unnecessary. They are used only in conjunction with high capacity atomic reactors which frequently need to safely spill off tremendous amounts of excess heat. The fission process by which the heat is created is measured in micro-seconds. A neutron hits an atoms nucleus and fissions it creating heat, another element and giving off more neutrons... This is just plain silly Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] NSA chief head of CIA
.animated editorialhttp://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-wh-nsawiretapping,0,1906650.flash Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
yeah, he seems to have no idea how steam turbine cycles engines work. Pretty much the same regardless of how the heat is generated. I believe nuclear plants are a little less efficient due to operating at a lower temperature, but aside from that, the same. Around there they usually use cooling ponds instead of towers, since we can't afford to use that much water up. On 8/18/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honestfound it lacking.The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clueabout power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity. These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as theSphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structuresdoing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!...there is no such thing as an atomic style cooling tower any heatengine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower.Normally two cooling towers would represent the presence of tworeactors with a combined capacity of at least ten megawatts. Whatpractical use were there for cooling towers if it was a coal fired plant? umh, your average nuclear power reactor is some two orders ofmagnitude greater- usually in the ball park of 1000 Megawatts perreactor, not 5All fossil fuel boilers including the hot water heater in your house have safety valves on them which are designed to open and vent anyexcess pressure into the air. When they open, both pressure andtemperature inside the boiler rapidly decrease preventing the unitfrom blowing up . Since conventional plants only release steam (water vapour) into the air the venting is harmless. Here we have instantventing and fast shut down so there is no need to provide for muchreserve cooling. To the best of my knowledge nuclear style coolingtowers on a fossil fuel power plant are completely unnecessary. They are used only in conjunction with high capacity atomic reactorswhich frequently need to safely spill off tremendous amounts of excessheat. The fission process by which the heat is created is measured in micro-seconds. A neutron hits an atoms nucleus and fissions itcreating heat, another element and giving off more neutrons...This is just plain sillyKirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.htmlIn one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.comBob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishnessJKG___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity." These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!..."there is no such thing as an "atomic style cooling tower" any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. -- Nukes run at a lower thermal efficiency for safety reasons. Temperature and thus pressure are lower than in oil or coal steam plants. This increases the cooling tower load per killowatt thus nuke plants have larger towers than equivalent hydrocarbon installations. The size is the issue here. Other issues he made were the rails showed no sign of use and thirdly the "oil " storage tanks also showed no maintenance. So he describes a plant with anomolously large cooling towers and no visible fueling infrastructure.Also inhydrocarbon installations I have seen the tower is different,maybe 3 stories. The tower is to direct cooling air and discharged water vapor such that it doesnt re enter the heat exchangers. The nuclear plants have such large requirements a large structure is required to ensure no mixing.How about keeping an open mind Bob. You didnt read what he said as near as I can tell.Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg.. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fake News Stories Probed
And they used to poke fingers at Pravda. Kirk | Fake News Stories Probed || from the truthiness dept. || posted by samzenpus on Wednesday August 16, @20:24 (The Media) || http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/16/2327242 |++An anonymous reader writes "From the article: "The U.S. FederalCommunications Commission has begun an [0]investigation of the use ofvideo news releases, sometimes called "fake news," at U.S. televisionstations. Video news releases are packaged stories paid for by businessesor interest groups. They use actors to portray reporters and use the sameformat as television news stories.""Discuss this story at: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/08/16/2327242Links: 0. http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/08/16/fake-news-probe.html Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!
A guy who works near me has one of these. He was asked the mpg question. His response was "how the f*** should I know" lol Regards Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! A real big boy toy. It has a bonnet too. I wonder what the mpg number is? Peace, D. Mindock From: www.mercola.com $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! If you're as interested as I am in the science of making cool cars, you'll enjoy watching thisawesome video demonstration of the Ariel Atom 2, URL: http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=127Itemid=7 a two-seater that looks and runs like a race car, yet is made for consumer use. Minimal bodywork, coupled with a supercharged Honda Civic type R engine, allow drivers to accelerate from 0-60 mph in two seconds, and that depends on your ability to shift gears fast enough! If you can't imagine how fast this car really goes, look at the face of the gentleman test-driving the Ariel Atom 2 (in the accompanying photo to the right), set to debut in America this year. Without a windshield, you can see what G forces and the wind do to the driver's face as he accelerates down a closed racetrack. Because of its superior ability to make turns, the Ariel Atom 2 more than holds its own in a race with a Honda CVR 600 motorcycle. Video is at: YouTube.com URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdkEV-t9jg0search=topgearApril 5, 2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
http://www.newhopepa.com/DelawareRiver/port_jervis_bristol_2.htm How about keeping an open mind Bob. I try, but I also try to guard against gullibility. Here is a link to a couple of spills of fly ash related material from the Martin creek plant. Oh, I guess they could be importing fly ash from some other plant to fake the spills to throw us all off... http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b4_3pplfolo-1aug16,0,6175405.story If it looks like a coal fired plant, and spills like a coal fired plant, then the the simplest explanation is that it is in fact a coal fired plant. http://www.pplweb.com/community+partners/our+education+programs/directions+to+ppl+facilities.htm Maybe some intrepid soul could go check it out first hand: Martins Creek Plant From points south (Easton): Take Route 611 North to the traffic signal in the village of Martins Creek. Turn right, continuing on Route 611. Travel another mile on Route 611. At the top of the hill, veer off Route 611 by continuing straight ahead onto the Martins Creek/Belvidere Highway. Drive another 3 miles. Turn right onto Foul Rift Road (there is a yellow farmhouse on the right). This road will lead you to the plant. At the Y in the road after the Tekening hiking trailhead, make a right to head toward the parking lots. You may park in the stone lot to the right or in the main parking lot to the left and proceed to the guardhouse. Workshops are held in the second-floor conference room at the power plant. Kirk McLoren wrote: */bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity. These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!... there is no such thing as an atomic style cooling tower any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. -- Nukes run at a lower thermal efficiency for safety reasons. Temperature and thus pressure are lower than in oil or coal steam plants. This increases the cooling tower load per killowatt thus nuke plants have larger towers than equivalent hydrocarbon installations. The size is the issue here. Other issues he made were the rails showed no sign of use and thirdly the oil storage tanks also showed no maintenance. So he describes a plant with anomolously large cooling towers and no visible fueling infrastructure. Also in hydrocarbon installations I have seen the tower is different, maybe 3 stories. The tower is to direct cooling air and discharged water vapor such that it doesnt re enter the heat exchangers. The nuclear plants have such large requirements a large structure is required to ensure no mixing. How about keeping an open mind Bob. You didnt read what he said as near as I can tell. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg. . Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handraisers to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
The Martins Creek plant is on the Delaware River in Lower Mount Bethel Township, Northampton County, about 15 miles north of Easton, Pa. The plant has two coal-fired generating units, each with a capacity of 150,000 kilowatts. The plant also has two units which can be fueled by either natural gas or oil, with a total generating capacity of 1,592,000 kilowatts. I would think the obvious answer is that it's running on natural gas or oil through a pipeline. bob allen wrote: http://www.newhopepa.com/DelawareRiver/port_jervis_bristol_2.htm How about keeping an open mind Bob. I try, but I also try to guard against gullibility. Here is a link to a couple of spills of fly ash related material from the Martin creek plant. Oh, I guess they could be importing fly ash from some other plant to fake the spills to throw us all off... http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b4_3pplfolo-1aug16,0,6175405.story If it looks like a coal fired plant, and spills like a coal fired plant, then the the simplest explanation is that it is in fact a coal fired plant. http://www.pplweb.com/community+partners/our+education+programs/directions+to+ppl+facilities.htm Maybe some intrepid soul could go check it out first hand: Martins Creek Plant From points south (Easton): Take Route 611 North to the traffic signal in the village of Martins Creek. Turn right, continuing on Route 611. Travel another mile on Route 611. At the top of the hill, veer off Route 611 by continuing straight ahead onto the Martins Creek/Belvidere Highway. Drive another 3 miles. Turn right onto Foul Rift Road (there is a yellow farmhouse on the right). This road will lead you to the plant. At the Y in the road after the Tekening hiking trailhead, make a right to head toward the parking lots. You may park in the stone lot to the right or in the main parking lot to the left and proceed to the guardhouse. Workshops are held in the second-floor conference room at the power plant. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FFA Recovery
Jan, Sorry I'm slow to respond. I've been away. Where is the mineral precipitate? I've gotten inverted splits, and one's in which the mineral precip. did not want to settle, but I don't think you will get FFA and glycerine w/o a mineral precip (the third layer). Is it in a glass jar or something that allows you to see it clearly? I had some difficulty at first .. used too much acid but eventually started having good success. I find that allowing the mix to sit in the sun on a hot day greatly accelerates the process good split. I don't process the FFA into BD. I hope to add it to the BD I use to heat my house. Best of luck, Tom - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FFA Recovery Tom, I get an FFA layer and Glycerine layer. Jan Lieuwe Bolding 2006/8/7, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jan, Is one of the layers the mineral precipitate? Tom - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] FFA Recovery I have tried to seperate the FFA and Glycerine in the way as Todd Swearingen has described It. I only get two layers instead of three, can anyone explan this? When I want to recycle the FFA in the first step of my Two Stage Acid Base proces do I have to add extra Methanol? With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!
H. Yeah, I've had people swear they get 30mpg in pickup trucks (not diesel ones), but when you come down to it, they've never actually calculated it. It's just what they feel like they get. On 8/18/06, Bob Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A guy who works near me has one of these. He was asked the mpg question. His response was how the f*** should I know lol Regards Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! A real big boy toy. It has a bonnet too. I wonder what the mpg number is? Peace, D. Mindock From: www.mercola.com $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! If you're as interested as I am in the science of making cool cars, you'll enjoy watching thisawesome video demonstration of the Ariel Atom 2, URL: http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=127Itemid=7 a two-seater that looks and runs like a race car, yet is made for consumer use. Minimal bodywork, coupled with a supercharged Honda Civic type R engine, allow drivers to accelerate from 0-60 mph in two seconds, and that depends on your ability to shift gears fast enough! If you can't imagine how fast this car really goes, look at the face of the gentleman test-driving the Ariel Atom 2 (in the accompanying photo to the right), set to debut in America this year. Without a windshield, you can see what G forces and the wind do to the driver's face as he accelerates down a closed racetrack. Because of its superior ability to make turns, the Ariel Atom 2 more than holds its own in a race with a Honda CVR 600 motorcycle. Video is at: YouTube.com URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdkEV-t9jg0search=topgearApril 5, 2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] plug in hybrid insight?
Does anyone on this list know if it is possible to convert a honda insight to plug in hybrid. I know several people have made plug in priuses, but I was under the impression that the insight system is different and can't run on electric only. Actually, I'm not even sure if the plug in priuses operating in electric only mode, or if it just boosts the gas mileage for a while to have charged it from the grid. I've got a friend with an insight, and he'd like to be able to charge it from his PV system instead of having to use gasoline. Is this possible? Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!
H. Yeah, I've had people swear they get 30mpg in pickup trucks (not diesel ones), but when you come down to it, they've never actually calculated it. It's just what they feel like they get. On 8/18/06, Bob Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A guy who works near me has one of these. He was asked the mpg question. His response was how the f*** should I know lol Regards Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! A real big boy toy. It has a bonnet too. I wonder what the mpg number is? Peace, D. Mindock From: www.mercola.com $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! If you're as interested as I am in the science of making cool cars, you'll enjoy watching thisawesome video demonstration of the Ariel Atom 2, URL: http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=127Itemid=7 a two-seater that looks and runs like a race car, yet is made for consumer use. Minimal bodywork, coupled with a supercharged Honda Civic type R engine, allow drivers to accelerate from 0-60 mph in two seconds, and that depends on your ability to shift gears fast enough! If you can't imagine how fast this car really goes, look at the face of the gentleman test-driving the Ariel Atom 2 (in the accompanying photo to the right), set to debut in America this year. Without a windshield, you can see what G forces and the wind do to the driver's face as he accelerates down a closed racetrack. Because of its superior ability to make turns, the Ariel Atom 2 more than holds its own in a race with a Honda CVR 600 motorcycle. Video is at: YouTube.com URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdkEV-t9jg0search=topgearApril 5, 2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
Now those answers are germane. Factual and indicative. Looks like our author Renesaw shadows in the trees and thought them an elephantThe If it looks is back to sarcasm. tch tch tch and you were doing so well.Kirkbob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newhopepa.com/DelawareRiver/port_jervis_bristol_2.htm How about keeping an open mind Bob.I try, but I also try to guard against gullibility. Here is a link to a couple of spills of fly ash related material from the Martin creek plant. Oh, I guess they could be importing fly ash from some other plant to fake the spills to throw us all off...http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b4_3pplfolo-1aug16,0,6175405.storyIf it looks like a coal fired plant, and spills like a coal fired plant, then the the simplest explanation is that it is in fact a coal fired plant.http://www.pplweb.com/community+partners/our+education+programs/directions+to+ppl+facilities.htmMaybe some intrepid soul could go check it out first hand:"Martins Creek PlantFrom points south (Easton): Take Route 611 North to the traffic signal in the village of Martins Creek. Turn right, continuing on Route 611. Travel another mile on Route 611. At the top of the hill, veer off Route 611 by continuing straight ahead onto the Martins Creek/Belvidere Highway. Drive another 3 miles. Turn right onto Foul Rift Road (there is a yellow farmhouse on the right). This road will lead you to the plant. At the Y in the road after the Tekening hiking trailhead, make a right to head toward the parking lots. You may park in the stone lot to the right or in the main parking lot to the left and proceed to the guardhouse. Workshops are held in the second-floor conference room at the power plant."Kirk McLoren wrote: */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity. " These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!..." there is no such thing as an "atomic style cooling tower" any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. -- Nukes run at a lower thermal efficiency for safety reasons. Temperature and thus pressure are lower than in oil or coal steam plants. This increases the cooling tower load per killowatt thus nuke plants have larger towers than equivalent hydrocarbon installations. The size is the issue here. Other issues he made were the rails showed no sign of use and thirdly the "oil " storage tanks also showed no maintenance. So he describes a plant with anomolously large cooling towers and no visible fueling infrastructure. Also in hydrocarbon installations I have seen the tower is different, maybe 3 stories. The tower is to direct cooling air and discharged water vapor such that it doesnt re enter the heat exchangers. The nuclear plants have such large requirements a large structure is required to ensure no mixing. How about keeping an open mind Bob. You didnt read what he said as near as I can tell. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg. . Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are toldabout?
Hello These smaller cooling towersyou speak of Kirk are the type of cooling tower that has a fan or fansthat ether draws or suck air across the cascaiding water for evatorative cooling of the water. The tall hour glass shaped towers are natural draft towres, No moving parts, no fans, just cascaiding water. they are saving energy. These towers, even when dry can and will suck a hard hat of your head when you go into one at the bottom, even on a dead calm day. Open mind... that I have, have beenwaiting for the biodiesel posts to come but since I got on this list I see mainly political comments. The frist night I was on there were a few and then I got spanked for being a newbie and asking questions. Maybe I did not set up the e-mail service to recive the good stuff. Will keep watching and reading. sorry about the spelling, Steve - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are toldabout? bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity." These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!..."there is no such thing as an "atomic style cooling tower" any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. -- Nukes run at a lower thermal efficiency for safety reasons. Temperature and thus pressure are lower than in oil or coal steam plants. This increases the cooling tower load per killowatt thus nuke plants have larger towers than equivalent hydrocarbon installations. The size is the issue here. Other issues he made were the rails showed no sign of use and thirdly the "oil " storage tanks also showed no maintenance. So he describes a plant with anomolously large cooling towers and no visible fueling infrastructure. Also inhydrocarbon installations I have seen the tower is different,maybe 3 stories. The tower is to direct cooling air and discharged water vapor such that it doesnt re enter the heat exchangers. The nuclear plants have such large requirements a large structure is required to ensure no mixing. How about keeping an open mind Bob. You didnt read what he said as near as I can tell. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg.. Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
I have to agree with Bob on this one. I would say that most of this article could be criticized by a high school physics student. In my professional life, I'm a commercial diver. I work for a large company that does exclusively power plant work, diving both inside and outside of nuclear and fossil fuel power plants. Just a few of many, many, many more discrepancies I found: This incredibly fast process is supposedly controlled by the relatively slow movement of the graphite (pencil lead) control rods being lowered into, and retracted from, the enriched uranium fuel rods which constitute the core. All reactors used in this country use pretty much the same design. All current reactors being built in the rest of the world also follow this design. Modern reactors use cadmium as a control rod material. In reviewing the process I have come to the conclusion that any large reactor surrounded with a containment dome must generate steam at too low a temperature for use in turbines. There is a direct relationship between temperature and pressure. If the dome can withstand 100 PSI (pounds per square inch) then its working pressure must be less than 50 PSI. At that pressure, very, very low by modern standards, the temperature in the reactor is only 281 degrees F. Since a heat exchanger can not increase the temperature of the fluid in the system, pony boilers must be used to super heat the steam. The containment dome that is visible from the outside of a nuke plant is make of concrete, and is liked with about 6 inches of steel. The reactor vessel itself is contained within this containment structure. The reactor vessel, where all the nuclear magic happens, is made of stainless steel that is about a foot thick. A Pressurized Water Reactor operates at around 600 degrees Fahrenheit at 2200 psi. No boiling takes place in the reactor, but a separate heat exchanger. In a Boiling Water Reactor, the water actually boils in the reactor vessel, and they operate at around 1120 psi and 545 degrees Fahrenheit.. These spent rods are generally removed after a year or so and then are stored in pools of water. The storage is forever because we still don't know how to dispose of them. I suspect they can't even be re-processed because they are so radioactive. Just think every insect that passes by these pools and is later absorbed into the belly of another, carries just a little bit more radioactivity into the environment. Nuke divers work in fuel pools all the time. The spent fuel pools are not just swimming pools sitting outside with fuel rods in them. Spent fuel pools are housed in hermetically sealed buildings and guarded by armed security. Accessing fuel pools or any other area of a nuclear power plant requires drug screening, an FBI background check, and a psychological examination. Insects don't just fly into these pools, frogs don't just jump from lily pad to lily pad in the fuel pools, and fish don't swim in them. I also saw a number of separate lines of high tension towers radiating outward to all points of the compass. There were more as I passed the plant and many were carrying extremely high voltage as judged by the long insulators used to standoff the lines from the steel towers that hold the power lines. The Martins Creek Plant is a real heavyweight producer of power. Some coal fired power plants produce up too 1500 MW. A power plant isn't going to produce electricity into the national grid through a bunch of extension cords, if thats what the author is expecting to see. All power plants send power out in extremely high voltage (115,000 volts and higher) to minimize power losses and wire size. Wow, I could just keep going with this. Its scary, but many people are going to actually believe everything contained in this article. Anyone else out there with at least some knowledge of the power industry care to help me out with this? By the way, Martin's Creek is a coal burning power plant. Two of my co-workers are going to be cleaning the sediment out of their two atomic style cooling towers sometime in the next month. Daniel Albano ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
