Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Bob, Yep, the opposite is true too. One can will people to be sick. The Russians did a lot of study on psy-war. I think our country did too. I mean, look at the nasty things our gov did with LSD studies on innocent people. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I pray somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: Happy Labor Day....yeah, right...
Happy Labor Dayyeah, right... And we let it happen... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/29/AR2006082901042.html By Harold MeyersonWednesday, August 30, 2006; Page A19 Labor Day is almost upon us, and like some of my fellow graybeards, I can, if I concentrate, actually remember what it was that this holiday once celebrated. Something about America being the land of broadly shared prosperity. Something about America being the first nation in human history that had a middle-class majority, where parents had every reason to think their children would fare even better than they had. The young may be understandably incredulous, but the Great Compression, as economists call it, was the single most important social fact in our country in the decades after World War II. From 1947 through 1973, American productivity rose by a whopping 104 percent, and median family income rose by the very same 104 percent. More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security. That America is as dead as the dodo. Ours is the age of the Great Upward Redistribution. The median hourly wage for Americans has declined by 2 percent since 2003, though productivity has been rising handsomely. Last year, according to figures released just yesterday by the Census Bureau, wages for men declined by 1.8 percent and for women by 1.3 percent. As a remarkable story by Steven Greenhouse and David Leonhardt in Monday's New York Times makes abundantly clear, wages and salaries now make up the lowest share of gross domestic product since 1947, when the government began measuring such things. Corporate profits, by contrast, have risen to their highest share of the GDP since the mid-'60s -- a gain that has come chiefly at the expense of American workers. Don't take my word for it. According to a report by Goldman Sachs economists, "the most important contributor to higher profit margins over the past five years has been a decline in labor's share of national income." As the Times story notes, the share of GDP going to profits is also at near-record highs in Western Europe and Japan. Clearly, globalization has weakened the power of workers and begun to erode the egalitarian policies of the New Deal and social democracy that characterized the advanced industrial world in the second half of the 20th century. For those who profit from this redistribution, there's something comforting in being able to attribute this shift to the vast, impersonal forces of globalization. The stagnant incomes of most Americans can be depicted as the inevitable outcome of events over which we have no control, like the shifting of tectonic plates. Problem is,the declining power of the American workforce antedates the integration of China and India into the global labor pool by several decades. Since 1973 productivity gains have outpaced median family income by 3 to 1. Clearly, the war of American employers on unions, which began around that time, is also substantially responsible for the decoupling of increased corporate revenue from employees' paychecks. But finger a corporation for exploiting its workers and you're trafficking in class warfare. Of late a number of my fellow pundits have charged that Democratic politicians concerned about the further expansion of Wal-Mart are simply pandering to unions. Wal-Mart offers low prices and jobs to economically depressed communities, they argue. What's wrong with that? Were that all that Wal-Mart did, of course, the answer would be "nothing." But as business writer Barry Lynn demonstrated in a brilliant essay in the July issue of Harper's, Wal-Mart also exploits its position as the biggest retailer in human history -- 20 percent of all retail transactions in the United States take place at Wal-Marts, Lynn wrote -- to drive down wages and benefits all across the economy. The living standards of supermarket workers have been diminished in the process, but Wal-Mart's reach extends into manufacturing and shipping as well. Thousands of workers have been let go at Kraft, Lynn shows, due to the economies that Wal-Mart forced on the company. Of Wal-Mart's 10 top suppliers in 1994, four have filed bankruptcies. For the bottom 90 percent of the American workforce, work just doesn't pay, or provide security, as it used to. Devaluing labor is the very essence of our economy. I know that airlines are a particularly embattled industry, but my eye was recently caught by a story on Mesaba Airlines, an affiliate of Northwest, where the starting annual salary for pilots is $21,000 a year, and where the company is seeking a pay cut of 19 percent. Maybe Mesaba's plan is to
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
D. Mindock wrote: Bob, Yep, the opposite is true too. there is such a thing as the nocebo effect, but there is nothing supernatural about it. One can will people to be sick. now you are talking about supernatural phenomena, and I don't believe it. If someone comes up with an explanation that doesn't violate simple physical pinciples, then it is no longer supernatural, and I am ok. The Russians did a lot of study on psy-war. and wasted there money I might add I think our country did too. I mean, look at the nasty things our gov did with LSD studies on innocent people. giving people drugs and wishing people ill are two entirely different animals. my comment about chaney was purely sarcasm, not reality. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I pray somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
there is nothing supernatural,just mandkind, or better said,scientist have not yet found everynatural law, or have they?...naive to think they have, or? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book D. Mindock wrote: Bob, Yep, the opposite is true too. there is such a thing as the nocebo effect, but there is nothing supernatural about it. One can will people to be sick. now you are talking about supernatural phenomena, and I don't believe it. If someone comes up with an explanation that doesn't violate simple physical pinciples, then it is no longer supernatural, and I am ok. The Russians did a lot of study on psy-war. and wasted there money I might add I think our country did too. I mean, look at the nasty things our gov did with LSD studies on innocent people. giving people drugs and wishing people ill are two entirely different animals. my comment about chaney was purely sarcasm, not reality. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: "bob allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but "And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die." surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I "pray" somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Guerilla Media...was 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
Hey Jason; Has it worked for you like you said? What if you bring news that is particularly unpalatable to the advertisers they carry, you know, the ones who pay for those big whole page ads you see? Any idea what an add like that costs? I'd like to recommend a book to you (or I think you can even get a DVD) it's called "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky. Have a look at the section which describes media filters and how and why they exist and work. Your opinion may change somewhat after reading that and you might tend to agree with Fritz a little more on that subject. Joe Jason Katie wrote: WARNING!!! FULL BLOWN OPINION AHEAD!!! this sounds kind of cruel, but if you go straight to the people working in the newspaper business (at least where im from) you can appeal directly to their interests and values, and if you feed them enough real news, eventually they will begin putting your stuff in the paper on a fairly regular basis, and you can slip some truth in between all the sports scores and the TV guide. people will then read it, and not realize that they learned something they would have never otherwise heard of. i believe this is the first step. the next step would be to try publishing facts that tear down the "normal standards" and give people options to think about. after so many years of being fed "one right way", changing someones mind will have to be slightly circuitous to begin with. when they start to think for themselves, that is when you offer them a chance to really explore life. How we gonna change all this? we need to get rid of all our Massmedia,change Journalismteachers and Schools and get started with independet Journalism! Keith would know more about this subject! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
So why was it a disaster? Was it a disaster because the parents weren't equal to the job or because home schooling sucks? Who's got the broad brush out now? Joe robert and benita rabello wrote: snip Further, I have experience with several families who have homeschooled their children, and in every case, it was a disaster. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
To(o) funny!! j:) Mike Weaver wrote: Homeschoolers represent 20% of those being schooled (the) last time I checked the statistics(.) Homeschoolers represent 80% of the high achievers. Doesnt (doesn't) speak well for your system. I think you are in denial. Our school system suks (sucks) and you know it. -Miss Grundy Kirk McLoren wrote: Homeschoolers represent 20% of those being schooled last time I checked the statistics Homeschoolers represent 80% of the high achievers. Doesnt speak well for your system. I think you are in denial. Our school system suks and you know it. Kirk */robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Kirk McLoren wrote: My grandson isnt 3 yet. He knows his colors His alphabet 1 through 10 forwards and backwards and is expanding He has an extensive vocabulary already. This sounds like an excellent start! Unfortunately he is reading by look-say and so I will have to teach him phonetics. Yes, you will. Someone will have to TEACH him, and that's been my point all morning. I dread the day "educators" will get their distorted input into his world. Been there done that and hated it. Your experience is not universal. There are many professional educators doing an outstanding job with children in schools. You need to balance your view and stop projecting the negativity from your own past upon an entire system. The kind of outlook you've described today won't help your grandson at all. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta- Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
Joe Street wrote: So why was it a disaster? Because in every case I've known in my career, parents lacked the requisite discipline to get their children to work. (Some of them boasted that they could accomplish EVERYTHING they needed to do in a day within a single hour!) In some instances, the mom lacked the skill necessary to teach, or didn't have knowledge of HOW to explain something. (There are homeschool organizations that can offer assistance with this.) Teacher education programs require their candidates to take methods and materials coursework, as well as in-classroom practicums, to develop greater skill in this area. Was it a disaster because the parents weren't equal to the job or because home schooling sucks? There's nothing wrong with homeschooling, but it's not for everyone. The problem I'm outlining is that homeschooling is often touted as a way to avoid the public schools, even though the homeschooling system is governed by the same state or provincial agencies responsible for accrediting public schools. The people who espouse this view are often more concerned with the spiritual welfare of their children than the development of their academic skills. When talking to the people who actually homeschool their children, I'm often struck by the underlying belief that they're protecting their children from the bad influences of social programming (as well as content, such as evolution, or the concept that homosexuals are actually human beings, too), rather than trying to equip their children with superior thinking skills. Who's got the broad brush out now? Apparently, YOU do! Let's discuss the issue, rather than resorting to personal attack, shall we? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
Actually its just anal retentive Since I 2 finger type I usually omit punctuation. You are damn lucky I use upper case where needed.Also suks is a special word. Sucks is partial pressure. Suks is what a hooker gives that works the first row of bars on the waterfront. Now that is a very special environment best avoided.Kirk Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To(o) funny!!j:)Mike Weaver wrote: Homeschoolers represent 20% of those being schooled (the) last time I checked the statistics(.) Homeschoolers represent 80% of the high achievers. Doesnt (doesn't) speak well for your system. I think you are in denial. Our school system suks (sucks) and you know it.-Miss Grundy Kirk McLoren wrote:Homeschoolers represent 20% of those being schooled last time I checked the statistics Homeschoolers represent 80% of the high achievers. Doesnt speak well for your system. I think you are in denial. Our school system suks and you know it. Kirk */robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:Kirk McLoren wrote: My grandson isnt 3 yet. He knows his colors His alphabet 1 through 10 forwards and backwards and is expanding He has an extensive vocabulary already.This sounds like an excellent start! Unfortunately he is reading by look-say and so I will have to teach him phonetics. Yes, you will. Someone will have to TEACH him, and that's been my point all morning. I dread the day "educators" will get their distorted input into his world. Been there done that and hated it. Your experience is not universal. There are many professional educators doing an outstanding job with children in schools. You need to balance your view and stop projecting the negativity from your own past upon an entire system. The kind of outlook you've described today won't help your grandson at all.robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta- Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at
Re: [Biofuel] Guerilla Media...was 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
oh, i dont doubt fritz at all, but to suggest removing an entire system all at once without trying to exploit it before it goes away makes no sense to me. the way i see it, is you have to do it by steps, first, you start spreading actual news and facts, and when the newspaper begins to rely on you as a source, start with the brick by brick deconstruction of the media machine from the inside. it will take years if not decades, but i think it will work. On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 09:23 -0400, Joe Street wrote: Hey Jason; Has it worked for you like you said? What if you bring news that is particularly unpalatable to the advertisers they carry, you know, the ones who pay for those big whole page ads you see? Any idea what an add like that costs? I'd like to recommend a book to you (or I think you can even get a DVD) it's called Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky. Have a look at the section which describes media filters and how and why they exist and work. Your opinion may change somewhat after reading that and you might tend to agree with Fritz a little more on that subject. Joe Jason Katie wrote: WARNING!!! FULL BLOWN OPINION AHEAD!!! this sounds kind of cruel, but if you go straight to the people working in the newspaper business (at least where im from) you can appeal directly to their interests and values, and if you feed them enough real news, eventually they will begin putting your stuff in the paper on a fairly regular basis, and you can slip some truth in between all the sports scores and the TV guide. people will then read it, and not realize that they learned something they would have never otherwise heard of. i believe this is the first step. the next step would be to try publishing facts that tear down the normal standards and give people options to think about. after so many years of being fed one right way, changing someones mind will have to be slightly circuitous to begin with. when they start to think for themselves, that is when you offer them a chance to really explore life. How we gonna change all this? we need to get rid of all our Massmedia,change Journalismteachers and Schools and get started with independet Journalism! Keith would know more about this subject! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Dirty Money
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0918/128.html?_requestid=1218 (need to register first) Dirty Money S. Dinakar and Michael Freedman, 09.18.06 There's profit to be made in cleaning up a filthy emerging Asia--if you have the stomach for it. In most Indian cities roadsides are dusty or caked with mud. Trash is piled high amid blood-red chewed-up betel leaves and the smell of urine. But the streets are comparatively clean in Chennai, an industrial city of 5.5 million on the nation's southeastern coast. Early each morning hundreds of workers trawl through the city's main arteries picking up mounds of litter. Street sweepers reduce dust. Garbage collectors go door-to-door to gather and haul off trash. Much of the credit for this cleanup goes to Veolia Environnement, a $30 billion (sales) Paris-headquartered outgrowth of the Vivendi water and media company that has tapped into one of the most intractable problems in Asia: pollution. Garbage experts estimate that on average every person in a developing nation produces one pound of trash per day, compared to three times that amount in a developed nation. But both the economies and populations of the largest Asian nations are growing quickly, suggesting a sharp increase in garbage generation in years to come. Already China generates 190 million tons of trash per year, more than the U.S., and by 2030, the World Bank estimates, that figure will jump to 480 million tons. Yet only between 5% and 50% of China's waste is either incinerated or buried in a suitably sequestered landfill; the comparable U.S. figure is probably near 99%. In India and Indonesia, less than 5% of waste is handled properly. Untreated garbage seeps into waterways and poisons drinking water. Open sewers and industrial pollution compound the problem. In April the head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency visited China to encourage officials to use technologies that could ameliorate the nation's severe air pollution. For Veolia and competitors all this smells like opportunity. Veolia has entered into contracts in China, India and other Asian nations to clear solid waste and build landfills, wastewater and sewage-treatment plants, as well as provide clean drinking water. Veolia handles 20,000 tons of Chinese garbage per day. As a result, Veolia's revenue from Asia hit $1.7 billion in 2005--a 29% increase over the previous year--and executives say it could increase another 15% to 20% annually for the next five years. Veolia's biggest competitor, Paris-headquartered Suez, has teamed up with New World Development, a Hong Kong conglomerate headed by billionaire Cheng Yu-tung. Since starting its work in the region three decades ago, it has built 150 drinking-water treatment plants in Chinese cities, serving 250 million people. The $53 billion (2005 sales) company now runs the two biggest landfills in Hong Kong and is testing a hazardous waste incinerator in Shanghai's main industrial chemical center. These companies go where others fear to tread. Building a landfill or incinerator means importing heavy machinery and highly trained experts and getting a long-term commitment from the host country. Often, contracts are opaque, cash flow is uncertain and there is little recourse in the event of government corruption or expropriation. There is the additional risk that a local competitor will underbid by cutting corners. Many U.S. companies have steered clear. It's hard for a reputable company to compete with people who are willing to ignore regulations or pay bribes to get past inspections or enforcement, says Sandra Cointreau, a solid-waste adviser to the World Bank. But European companies have been eager to expand beyond their own borders. They offer the same technological and financial resources as Americans without the inconvenience of our Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (although it must be noted that Veolia and Suez insist they maintain the highest ethical standards). Beginning in the 1970s European governments lent China money, requiring Beijing to use it to hire European pollution-remediation companies. One of the first to take advantage of this was Suez. By 1992 Veolia made its first Asian contact by setting up a waste-to-energy plant in Macau, but for years Chinese municipalities expressed little interest in Western-style pollution control. The only thing they had in mind was GDP, GDP,GDP, says Jorge Mora, Veolia's point man in China. But by the end of the decade that began to change, Mora says. With relatively transparent contracts, low corruption and an apparent willingness to accept foreign help, Chinese investment devoted to pollution control reached $115 billion between 1996 and 2004. Beginning in 2000 Veolia landed contracts in Guangzhou and along the coast; it now handles 60% of the waste in Shanghai. In the 1990s Waste Management (nyse: WMI - news - people ) considered teaming up with a Japanese outfit to set up a
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Biodiesel advice
Thanks Jim One correction i'd like to make to my previous message though, the farmers coop mentioned in Winburg is not VKB, but Senwes. My apologies. Greetings Edro -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: 01 September 2006 05:44 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Biodiesel advice Edro, http://www.pcei.org/education/Biodiesel.pdf#search=%22B100%20and%20the%20uni versity%20of%20Idaho%22 http://www.uidaho.edu/bae/biodiesel/research/past_research.html As far as the glue its just not true! Good Luck hope this helps a bit. Jim Edro Roode wrote: Hi Duncan My farm is between Senekal and Winburg in the Central-Eastern Freestate. I made the processor from the journeytoforever.org pages and use the wash and methanol tests. The biodiesel tests great. Depending on whom I get the WVO from, it titrates from 0.9 - 3.2ml per batch. VKB in Winburg is also putting up a processor in which the farmers can buy shares (which is excellant). Their aim is to get the processor and biodiesel SABS approved, and to make B15 which is the maximum SABS SASOL approved blend for sale to the public. The problem is not the existence of the processor, which is a good thing, but the fact that anyone who enquires about the small processor biodiesels are being warned off, especially from B100, since, in their words, B100 contains glue that cannot be washed out and will damage engines and pumps. You can try to explain about complete reactions and quality tests until you are blue in the face, but distrust sown by the bigshots is difficult to convert. Polimerisation can be a problem but when? I have gone back to the journeytoforever.org files and discovered that the higher the iodine value, the faster oils will oxydise and the more it will polymerize. The US National Biodiesel Board advises that biodiesel made from soy be used within 6 months and since the iodine value of sunflower oil is similar to soybean oil (Soybean 125-140, Sunflower 125-135) I now also advise 6 months. But still, the glue concern has been established and is difficult to disperse. Thanks if you can let us know about reasonably priced quality testing. P.S. I have been looking for details of the South African Biofuels Association on the net but couldn't find any. Can you send the contact details? I'd like to become a member. Yours truly Edro -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 Augustus 2006 10:31 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel advice Hi Edro, 1/ On a 80 liter WVO batch I use 18 liters of Methanol with the required amount of KOH, and I extract around 15 liters of glycerine. After the required washes (mechanical stirwash) I have around 70 liters of biodiesel. Does the above figures sound normal? Shouldn't the biodiesel be more than just 70 liters? 70 liters doesn't sound bad. What does the waste oil titrate to? 3/ Oxydation stability: What is the use by date of biodiesel made from sunflower WVO? Some rumours state 3 months, others 6 months, others still 8-12 months. The biodiesel is stored in normal ventilated diesel tanks, but without flowing free air. I make and use biodiesel about a month now, so, although I am impressed with the audible results in the tractors and the clean exhaust fumes, I am still somewhat nervous. Dieselpumps are expensive to repair in my neighbourhood. I assume you've done the quality tests as on http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality? And found it to be okay - it's a fact that quality biodiesel will not harm your engine. If you'd like someone else to check I'm busy getting a GC set-up at WITS, in Johannesburg, where we'll be able to test glycerides. I'd like to use this to get an idea of the quality of biodiesel produced by small guys - so that when the inevitable small-scale producers can't make quality fuel comments come from Big-Biofuel we'll have some back-up. I hope to have it running in the next 4 weeks. I was at the SABA (South African Biofuels Assc.) meeting on Saturday where there was a requirement from a number of small producers to have access to cheaper testing facilities (I've been quoted R4000 for a GC test before). So there is a general requirement - I'll let the group know if I hear of companies that can do reasonably priced testing. B.t.w. where is your farm? Regards, Duncan mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] FW: Weekend Special: Connecting with America's Next Generation
As a registered Republican .. sorry about that .. I seem to be on this mailing list. My defense is that I have absolutely never voted party lines .. I have always tried to vote for someone I considered honorable .. so I won't go into how my choices have generally fared. I'm forwarding because I'm pretty sure someone on this list will have a pretty good idea about the background of these individuals mentioned. .. and I'm very interested in that .. Thanks for any information. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: Kevin McLaughlin, GOP Radio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Weekend Special: Connecting with America's Next Generation Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Dear Friend, Join us this week for the newest episode of Bookcast at www.gop.com. This week we are speaking with Bush-Cheney '04 and RNC strategist Matthew Dowd, as he discusses his brand new book, Applebee's America: How Successful Political, Business, and Religious Leaders Connect with the New American Community, which he coauthored with former Clinton Senior Adviser Doug Sosnik and former AP Political Writer Ron Fournier. Through years of experience as a strategist to candidates and corporations, Dowd has gained a unique perspective on how Americans make their choices; from which products they buy, to which candidates they vote for, to where they go to church, he asserts that Americans use their hearts more than their minds when making these day-to-day decisions. He also offers fresh insight as to how technology is changing our communities and lifestyles, and dispels many of the common myths regarding our connections to each other. Listen now at GOP.com! http://www.gop.com/MultiMedia/MediaPlayer.aspx?Id=1127 In this installment of Bookcast, Dowd discusses how everyone can use the New American Community to influence others in order to be more successful. Whether you are selling a cell phone or a candidate, the author offers insight on becoming more effective in your community by achieving a gut values connection with voters and consumers. Listen now as Dowd shares with us his perspective on connecting with the next generation of America. Listen to Matthew Dowd discuss Applebee's America on Bookcast now! http://www.gop.com/MultiMedia/MediaPlayer.aspx?Id=1127 Sincerely, Kevin McLaughlin Director of GOP Broadcasting The Republican National Committee is not affiliated with amazon.com and receives no proceeds from the sale of Dowd's book. ** Click Here to Unsubscribe: http://www.gop.com/email/sm ** Paid for by the Republican National Committee www.gop.com Not Authorized By Any Candidate Or Candidate Committee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
