[Biofuel] Sustainable Monoculture? No, thanks!
http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=16 GRAIN | Against the grain | 2006 | Sustainable Monoculture? No, thanks! Debunking agribusiness greenwash June 2006 Sustainable development has always been a chameleon-like concept, easily used to mystify environmental destruction. Agribusiness has a particularly talent for such greenwashing. Its latest trick is to present industrial monocultures as sustainable. Today such corporate-backed projects are popping up across the world, ranging from sustainable palm oil plantations to sustainable salmon farms. This is only to be expected from agribusiness. But what is more disturbing however is that NGOs and farmers' groups are also participating in these corporate projects. This Against the grain takes a critical look at some of these projects and the new disguises, new players and new language that they utilise for the same old purpose of turning our food and biodiversity into global commodities. Sustainable Oil Palm? Oil palm is the most productive and versatile of all oil crops. A hectare of it can produce five tonnes of crude palm oil (CPO), which is widely used in food manufacturing and in pharmaceutical, chemical and cosmetic industries. At US$ 43 per barrel, it is the cheapest vegetable oil in the international market. With rising demand for palm oil, the area of land devoted to oil palm plantations has increased dramatically over recent years. The area under oil palm plantations has increased by over 40% since the early 1990s, most of which has been in Malaysia and Indonesia, the world 's biggest producers of palm oil.[1] The Indonesian government has plans to build the world 's largest oil palm plantation covering about three million hectares in Borneo and has recently signed an $8 billion financing deal with the China Development Bank to develop another oil palm plantation half the size of the Netherlands. The notion of sustainability The concept of sustainability first appeared in the 1987 Brundtland Report. It offered a watered-down vision of sustainable development that merely tinkered with the dominant economic growth model. The proposal recognised that this model of predatory development was leading the planet to a breakdown but left its fundamentals intact and safe from debate. The report also sidestepped major socio-economic problems, like the growth of global poverty and the expanding gap between rich and poor. At the Earth Summit, theologist Leonardo Boff stated that what we needed was not sustainable development but sustainable societies. Ever since, different sectors of society have appropriated the term sustainability in their own way. One of the environmental movements more notable attempts to define the term grew out of the Sustainable Southern Cone process in South America.[2] It defined four necessary dimensions to sustainability: * The ecological dimension implies preserving and enhancing the diversity and complexity of ecosystems, their productivity, natural cycles and biodiversity. The ecological crisis is not an abstract problem of interest only to the middle class of Northern countries, who have already met their basic needs and can afford to worry about their natural surroundings. The ecological crisis is directly linked to the physical and cultural survival of the planet's excluded communities and social groups. * The social dimension refers to equitable access to environmental goods, both intra- and inter-generationally, as well as between genders and among cultures. The social dimension of sustainability allows us to appreciate the importance of the fair distribution of environmental goods in a world of increasing inequity. * The economic dimension requires a new definition for economic activity, based on material and immaterial needs, interpreted not only as shortages but also as potentials. New economic activities must rely on diversified, local production, adapted to ecosystems in order to use them sustainably. * The political dimension refers to the direct participation of persons in decision-making, in defining their collective future and in managing environmental goods through decentralised, democratic governmental structures. It means giving new significance to politics and generating new practices based on the direct participation and actions by people in the quest for alternatives, which must necessarily grow out of horizontal relations, rather than from top-down, centralised, power-concentrating arrangements. Sustainability will only be possible if it returns decision-making powers to the people. Far from these ideals, however, and in clear opposition to the environmental movement, major corporations also started to stake their own claims to sustainability, through initiatives such as the Business Council for Sustainable Development. Today 's sustainable monoculture projects are its direct descendants. This cheap oil carries hidden costs. For the most
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060914.CHEMICALS14 /TPStory/EnvironmentToronto Globe and Mail, Sept. 14, 2006 http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_canada_will_study_4000_chemicals .060914.htm Risk Of 4,000 Everyday Chemicals To Be Studied By Martin Mittelstaedt, Environment Reporter After a massive investigation spanning seven years, federal scientists [in Canada] have determined that a staggering total of about 4,000 chemicals used in Canada pose enough of a risk to human health or wildlife that they need to be subjected to in-depth safety assessments. Staff at Environment Canada and Health Canada are planning to give the list of chemicals to their respective ministers later today, the beginning of what is expected to be the biggest effort ever undertaken in the country to deal with potentially harmful substances used in everything from pop bottles and lip balm to household cleaners and plastic baby bottles. All 4,000 chemicals will be studied, but the ministers will decide which ones pose the greatest threat and should be studied first. They will also decide whether any regulations are needed to control those substances. Federal officials expect to make public the chemicals they're worried about in the next few weeks, along with a plan for dealing with the substances. But they're already saying they have conducted the most comprehensive review ever undertaken in the world of potentially harmful compounds in widespread commercial use. We're actually quite proud of what we've done here. We are the first country in the world that has done a systematic review of all of the chemicals in use, said Paul Glover, Health Canada's director-general of safe environment programs. Mr. Glover said the government assessed the chemicals because of worries they might be factors contributing to disease or illness. Quite frankly, we think that that might be the case and that's why we've done this work, he said in an interview. Recent scientific research has cited some widely used chemicals that weren't originally assessed for possibly causing cancer, declining sperm counts, attention-deficit disorders and other ailments. Many of the chemicals to be subjected to assessments are contained in products virtually all Canadians come into contact with, while others are used extensively by industry in manufacturing, where workers face possible exposures and factory emissions could contaminate the environment. Industry officials and environmentalists have worked closely with the government in compiling the list of suspect chemicals. This list includes about 4,000 compounds needing review, although federal officials refused to confirm that number yesterday. Some of the chemicals have been used extensively in consumer products, including polyethylene terephthalate, a building block for pop bottles; styrene, a component in many plastics; toluene, a solvent used in household cleaning products; and bisphenol-A, used to make dental sealants. These toxic chemicals are found in many aspects of our lives, everything from personal-care products, cooking pots and pans, electronics, furniture, clothing, said Rick Smith, executive director of Environmental Defence, a conservation think tank based in Toronto. Some of those who have seen the list are calling for quick government action to limit use of the questionable substances. Federal law gives Ottawa the power to ban or place restrictions on the use of compounds deemed harmful. These chemicals are the worst of the worst, said Fe de Leon, a researcher at the Canadian Environmental Law Association. There has to be comprehensive regulatory action, not just on a handful of the chemicals [but] all 4,000. The chemicals selected for review were in commercial use before Canada adopted its first comprehensive pollution legislation, the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, in 1988. At that time, there were 23,000 substances in use exempted from safety study because federal regulators decided to concentrate on screening new chemicals, of which there are about 800 introduced a year, rather than deal with the problems posed by substances already on the market. But recently, there has been an international effort to come to grips with the possible health consequences of the widespread use of these inadequately assessed chemicals. In Europe, a review of the safety of grandfathered chemicals is under way. The exemption in Canada meant that tens of thousands of chemicals have been legally used for years, despite never having been formally assessed -- or having been poorly assessed -- for the risks they might pose to either human health or to the environment. The decision, made years ago, by the government to permit use of these older chemicals angered some environmentalists because it may have exposed Canadians to needless health risks. They've completely failed because they've allowed nearly two
Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed.
TWN have now made available the final and correct version of the paper by Traavik and Heinemann that was circulated last week. 301kb pdf: http://www.biosafety-info.net/file_dir/719762120455431f1a3942.pdf The paper below is a draft version, the full version with refs will be available at TWN in due course. - Keith GM WATCH daily http://www.gmwatch.org --- --- 1.Introduction from GM Watch 2.Genetic Engineering (GE) and Omitted Health Research: Still No Answers to Ageing Questions --- --- 1.Introduction from GM Watch The following paper, 'Genetic Engineering and Omitted Health Research: Still No Answers to Ageing Questions' is highly recommended. The paper points out that many scientific questions concerning health effects of GMOs that were raised 20 years ago still remain unanswered. The paper discusses - in remarkably clear and readable terms - the health hazards related to genetically engineered (GE) plants used as food or feed, with mention of GE vaccines including si RNA- and nanobio-technologies. Amongst the many points the authors note: *very few studies on the possible effects of GE food/feed on potential animal or human consumers have been published in peer-reviewed journals *a consensus has emerged that the effects observed in some published studies must be experimentally followed up but THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE. *most of the animal feeding studies performed so far have been designed exclusively to reveal only husbandry production differences [eg do animals gain weight satisfactorily on a GE feed compared to a non-GE feed?] *studies designed to reveal physiological or pathological effects are extremely few *these studies demonstrate a quite worrisome trend - studies performed by the industry find no problems, while studies from independent research groups often reveal effects that should merit immediate follow-up, confirmation and extension *such follow-up studies have not been performed *studies are inhibited by lack of funds for independent research *studies are also inhibited by the reluctance of producers to deliver their GE materials for analysis *the transgenic DNA sequences provided by GE food/feed producers can't be relied on *the transgenic DNA sequences provided can differ from the inserted sequences found in the actual genetically engineered plants *transgenic modification techniques can result in either degradation of the incoming DNA, or insertion of rearranged copies into the plant DNA *some genetic elements in the introduced genetic constructs may act as hotspots for recombination *among other rearrangments, rearranged transgenic fragments may be found scattered through the genome *the diffferences between the transgenic DNA sequences given by producers and the actual inserted sequences found in their products means that risk assessments made prior to approval do not necessarily cover the potential risks associated with the products *if transgenic DNA and proteins are taken up from mammalian gastro-intestinal tracts, instead of being degraded during digestion, this could lead to chronic diseases *only two published reports have investigated the fate of foreign/transgenic DNA in humans *the consequences of DNA persistence and uptake represent yet another area of omitted research *some recent publications have demonstrated that foreign DNA and also proteins may escape degradation, to persist in the gastro-intestinal tracts and even to be taken up from the intestines and transported by the blood to internal organs in biologically meaningful versions *allergenicity is a major concern with genetically engineered foods *tests for allergenicity are usually carried out with bacteria and not with the versions of the transgenic protein which people are exposed to, ie the actual protein produced in genetically engineered plants *the Bt-toxins expressed in genetically engineered plants have never been carefully analysed, and accordingly, their characteristics and properties are not known The authors conclude, We are left with a high number of risk issues lacking answers, adding up to a vast area of omitted research, and this falls together in time with a strong tendency towards corporate take-over of publicly funded research institutions and scientists. 2.MAIN TEXT ONLY - REFERENCES OMITTED Genetic Engineering (GE) and Omitted Health Research: Still No Answers to Ageing Questions Terje Traavik, PhD, DVM Scientific Director, GENOK-Norwegian Institute of Gene Ecology Professsor of Gene Ecology, School of Medicine, University of Tromso, Norway And Jack Heinemann, PhD Director, NZIGE-New Zealand Institute of Gene Ecology Ass. Professor, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Introduction. Some of the most crucial scientific questions concerning health effects of GE and GEOs (genetically engineered organisms) were raised up to twenty years ago. Most of them have still not been answered at all, or have found
[Biofuel] Pollution Poisons Children
http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_pollution_poisons_children.061109.htm From: Daily Telegraph (UK), Nov. 9, 2006 Pollution Poisons Children By John von Radowitz Millions of children worldwide may have suffered brain damage as a direct result of industrial pollution, scientists say. An explosive report talks of a silent pandemic of neurodevelopmental disorders caused by toxic chemicals spilling into the environment. They include conditions such as autism, attention deficit disorder, mental retardation and cerebral palsy. All are common and can result in lifelong disability, but their causes are largely unknown. The scientists, from Holland and the US, identified 202 industrial chemicals with the potential to damage the human brain, and said they were likely to be the tip of a very large iceberg. More than 1,000 chemicals are known to be neurotoxic in animals, and are also likely to be harmful to humans. The researchers made an urgent call for much tighter worldwide controls on chemicals, and a http://www.precaution.org/lib/pp_def.htmprecautionary approach to testing. Dr Philippe Grandjean, from the Department of Environmental Medicine at the University of Southern Denmark in Winslowparken, one of the study's two authors, said: The human brain is a precious and vulnerable organ. And because optimal brain function depends on the integrity of the organ, even limited damage may have serious consequences. Even if substantial documentation on their toxicity is available, most chemicals are not regulated to protect the developing brain. Only a few substances, such as lead and mercury, are controlled with the purpose of protecting children. The 200 other chemicals that are known to be toxic to the human brain are not regulated to prevent adverse effects on the foetus or a small child. Grandjean and co-author Professor Philip Landrigan, from the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, trawled a range of scientific data sources to compile their evidence. Five substances for which sufficient toxicity evidence exist were examined in detail -- lead, methylmercury, arsenic, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and toluene. In each case, the dangers came to light the same way. First, there was a recognition of high dosage toxicity in adults, and records of isolated episodes of poisoning among children. This was followed by a growing body of epidemiological evidence that lower levels of exposure in children led to neurobehavioral defects. Pinning down the effects of industrial chemical pollution is extremely difficult because they may not produce symptoms for several years or even decades, said the scientists. This was why the pandemic is silent. The damage caused by individual toxic chemicals is not obviously apparent in available health statistics. But the extent of the sub-clinical risk to large populations is illustrated by the legacy of lead. Virtually all children born in industrialised countries between 1960 and 1980 must have been exposed to lead from petrol, said the researchers. Based on what is known about the toxic effects of lead, this may have reduced exceptional IQ scores of above 130 by more than half, and increased the number of scores less than 70. Other results of lead exposure included shortened attention span, slowed motor coordination and heightened aggressiveness. In later life, early damage from lead can increase the risk of Parkinson's and other neurodegenerative diseases. Today, it is estimated that lead poisoning in children costs the US economy $A55 billion each year. One in six children is thought to have some kind of developmental disability, usually involving the nervous system. Developing brains are much more susceptible to toxic chemicals than those of adults, pointed out the scientists. Interference with complex changes taking place in the developing brain can have permanent consequences. And research had shown that this vulnerable period lasts from the foetal stage of life through infancy and childhood to adolescence. Writing in the online version of The Lancet medical journal, the scientists conclude: The combined evidence suggests that neurodevelopmental disorders caused by industrial chemicals has created a silent pandemic in modern society. Although these chemicals might have caused impaired brain development to millions of children worldwide, the profound effects of such a pandemic are not apparent from available health statistics. Additionally... only a few chemical causes have been recognised, so the full effects of our industrial activities could be substantially greater than recognised at present. In the EU, 100,000 chemicals were registered for commercial use in 1981, and in the US, 80,000 are registered. Yet fewer than half had been subjected to even token laboratory testing, said the report, and in 80 per cent of cases there was no information about potential danger to children. Although
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Jason, Thank you for the info, I have read and contacted them. The price is about $20 / gallon I tried to get some info on the components of it, but they could not release any. Because of the high price I would like to make mine based on Biodiesel. WE are machining soft steel with low speed cutting tools, so it is not a problem if the performance drops with some percentage. So far I found no real sloution for adding sulfur to it. We think that is the secret ingredient in cutting oils. András Tonomár TONO-Invest KFT H-9200 Mosonmagyaróvár Alkotmány u. 3. +36 96 / 215 - 426 +36 20 / 926 - 7180 (mobil) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining i had a hunch that this was not a new concept, and went looking. http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/489267/rss/3461 Cutting Oil features vegetable-based formula. August 15, 2006 - Derived from renewable raw materials, Vascomill 22 generates minimal mist, vapor, or smoke during use in CNC machinery performing operations with tough materials such as stainless steels, titanium, high-temperature alloys, and beryllium copper. Formula helps extend tool life and lubricity while promoting skin compatibility for operators. While universal for most operations and materials, oil can also be used in medical industry applications. Press Release Release date: July 12, 2006 Blaser Swisslube Announces Vascomill 22 Vegetable Cutting Oil GOSHEN, N.Y. - Blaser Swisslube Inc., premier supplier of world-class, Swiss-quality metalworking fluids, announces Vascomill 22 cutting oil. Vascomill 22 straight vegetable-based oil is universal for most operations and materials and offers superior cutting performance and lubricating properties in metal removal operations from low to high cutting speeds. Vascomill 22 was specially designed to achieve first-rate performance on tough materials when end users need exceptional surface finish, tool life and lubricity. These properties make Vascomill 22 ideal for medical industry applications as well. Vascomill 22 provides the ultimate in cutting performance for CNC machinery, including Swiss-automatic lathes and in operations machining tough materials such as stainless steels, titanium, high temperature alloys and beryllium copper. The flash point for Vascomill 22 is very high for the viscosity, and the product generates minimal mist, vapor or smoke formation during use. Vascomill 22 ensures better skin compatibility for operators compared to mineral oil-based products with large amounts of additives. Vascomill 22 is derived from renewable raw materials. Founded in 1936, Blaser Swisslube Inc. has created lubrication solutions for 70 years. Blaser metal working fluids are recognized world wide for dependability in improving tool life, production and part quality while reducing overall production costs. Blaser products are developed by a team of researchers at the Blaser headquarters in Switzerland, and U.S. production is based in Goshen, N.Y. For more information about Blaser please visit http://www.blaser.com. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing
Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing Chemicals http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1163418656 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing
Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing Chemicals http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1163418656 Nothing there. :-( Is it me or you? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Title: October 2006 Free Newsletter Ken, I have heard people say that they had "a touch of the flu" or they missed work for a day or two because they "had the flu. Marylynn's post at one point includes the flu, with colds, as being "uncomfortable". "In conclusion Rather than see the flu, colds, fevers and nasal discharge solely as uncomfortable, we should know that they operate in our best interest: to heal us, to cleanse us and to detoxify us." I know what the flu can be. In February of 2005 I experienced the real deal. A cough and fever turned to deliriums while a blizzard raged outside. I was shivering constantly. The bed sheets were soakedwith sweat.My wife tells me I drank 2 gallons of fluid (water,juice, Gatorade) a day, yet I don't remember urinating. I didn't sleep, at least as I know sleep, for three days. When I closed my eyes, lights flashes, scenes shifted, images morphed grotesquely; jet engines wailed, dogs barked, and for hours on end, a two bar Robert Johnson phrase played repeatedly. My head pounded; I coughed andcoughed. By the time the roads were clear and I got to my doctor, I was greatly improved. The dogs had stopped barking and I had slept a bit the night before. He said I had the flu; "The real deal". Since I don't smoke, don't have asthma, or a history of respiratory problems . in fact no history of illness, he let me go home. I babbled a bit about what I had gone through. He said "You are healthy and strong. You got the virus and for some reason your immune system failed you. You succumbed and had to weather the full blast.You can see why people die from it. It can be a killer." I am scared by the flu ... "the real deal". Though old (56), I'm hardly frail. I got a flu shot (1st time ever) last year (Nov 2005), but am not getting one this year. "For some reason your immune system failed you" sticks in my mind.I think I know why my immune system failed me that time. I think I can avoid it now. I firmly believe that good food and water, exercise, and sleep, along with stress management and plenty of song and laughter are the cornerstones of good health. I certainly would not criticize anyone, especially one who is frail (including a compromised immune system) from getting a flu shot. I'll induce a mild fever, sweat and detoxwith a 30 minute run each day, but keep tylenol or ibuprophen on hand in case someone's fever starts to approach meltdown. Best of Health to All, Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it is mostly frail, sickly, unhealthy people die from the flu. As I get older and may become frail and sickly I'll be very glad that a simple vaccine will be able to prevent my premature demise.Ken - Original Message From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:07:44 PMSubject: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Personally, I never get the flu shot and now reading this tells me that I've made some good choices in that matter.Mary LynnRev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained MinisterONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .The Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/http://allcreatureconnections.org Special Flu Shot Report "Here come the fear mongers...just in time for the flu vaccine marketing season.. Fear is used to persuade Americans to roll up their sleeves and hand over their children to be vaccinated. Years ago, people developed resistance the old fashioned way: By getting the flu. And then when that type of flu came around again years or decades later, they either didn't get sick or had only a mild case. The vaccine marketeers want to take that away from our population. What will that make us? Vaccine dependent, of course." - Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center Three important reasons to avoid the flu shot: The flu shot contains formaldehyde, gelatin and traces
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Hi Tom .. I've also had the flu .. the real deal and after driving to my parents home to take care of the youngest because both my parents were functioning, but down with it and then to my oldest sister to do the same thing with her 2 small children because she was also sick, I woke up several days later in my own apartment to find my brother sitting beside my bed .. .. I have no memory on how I got home or when my brother came. .. a bad flu and yes, for some reason my (our) immune system had failed some of us. It is the one and only time in my life that I have been that sick. Today I would take other precautions if I knew a bad flu was out there and getting real close .. there's quite a selection to chose from .. sea salt, colloidal silver .. and yes, even that famous .. urine therapy. Unless the information has been removed there should still be statistics that date back to mid or early 90's prior to lumping every thing together to make the figures larger .. should also be listed exactly what falls under that category of FLU .. but I believe the published statistics during that time was less than 2000 individuals world wide that died from the real flu .. all immune compromised .. and it was stated. .. The flu was lumped more or less with having a winter cold .. annoying and uncomfortable .. Sorry, I had the links prior to computer clean but who knows where it is now .. but the UN did actually keep those records .. and I would think they should still be there. Because of that one time flu episode I found out a few things about fever .. 1st, it's good .. it's actually burning out what's making you sick so you do need to let it run it's course .. BUT .. you don't want it to last over-long and you don't want it to be up too high .. 104/105 (F) .. and the best way to control that is with alcohol mixed with water .. just a bit cooler than room temp .. you simply take a wash cloth and place them in the groin area and in the arm pits re-wetting and changing them as they absorb the body heat. .. also gently wash down chest, back, neck area with the same alcohol and water mix .. if you can keep the fever below that Brain Damage level it can do a great job in healing the body and the alcohol water mix is one of the best ways to do that because you have the ability to control it and assist the body in doing it's job. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:24:08 -0500 October 2006 Free NewsletterKen, I have heard people say that they had a touch of the flu or they missed work for a day or two because they had the flu. Marylynn's post at one point includes the flu, with colds, as being uncomfortable. In conclusion Rather than see the flu, colds, fevers and nasal discharge solely as uncomfortable, we should know that they operate in our best interest: to heal us, to cleanse us and to detoxify us. I know what the flu can be. In February of 2005 I experienced the real deal. A cough and fever turned to deliriums while a blizzard raged outside. I was shivering constantly. The bed sheets were soaked with sweat. My wife tells me I drank 2 gallons of fluid (water, juice, Gatorade) a day, yet I don't remember urinating. I didn't sleep, at least as I know sleep, for three days. When I closed my eyes, lights flashes, scenes shifted, images morphed grotesquely; jet engines wailed, dogs barked, and for hours on end, a two bar Robert Johnson phrase played repeatedly. My head pounded; I coughed andcoughed. By the time the roads were clear and I got to my doctor, I was greatly improved. The dogs had stopped barking and I had slept a bit the night before. He said I had the flu; The real deal. Since I don't smoke, don't have asthma, or a history of respiratory problems . in fact no history of illness, he let me go home. I babbled a bit about what I had gone through. He said You are healthy and strong. You got the virus and for some reason your immune system failed you. You succumbed and had to weather the full blast.You can see why people die from it. It can be a killer. I am scared by the flu ... the real deal. Though old (56), I'm hardly frail. I got a flu shot (1st time ever) last year (Nov 2005), but am not getting one this year. For some reason your immune system failed you sticks
Re: [Biofuel] Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing
Sorry Keith, the url got cut here it is, http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1163418656.news regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing Sent: 13 Nov '06 15:47 Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing Chemicals http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1163418656 Nothing there. :-( Is it me or you? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Lysine inhibits viral replication I take 8 grams of C and 12 grams of lysine in 4 doses over the day at the first hint of symptoms. Works better than anything else I have tried.KirkThomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken,I have heard people say that they had "a touch of the flu" or they missed work for a day or two because they "had the flu. Marylynn's post at one point includes the flu, with colds, as being "uncomfortable"."In conclusion Rather than see the flu, colds, fevers and nasal discharge solely as uncomfortable, we should know that they operate in our best interest: to heal us, to cleanse us and to detoxify us." I know what the flu can be. In February of 2005 I experienced the real deal. A cough and fever turned to deliriums while a blizzard raged outside. I was shivering constantly. The bed sheets were soakedwith sweat.My wife tells me I drank 2 gallons of fluid (water,juice, Gatorade) a day, yet I don't remember urinating. I didn't sleep, at least as I know sleep, for three days. When I closed my eyes, lights flashes, scenes shifted, images morphed grotesquely; jet engines wailed, dogs barked, and for hours on end, a two bar Robert Johnson phrase played repeatedly. My head pounded; I coughed andcoughed. By the time the roads were clear and I got to my doctor, I was greatly improved. The dogs had stopped barking and I had slept a bit the night before. He said I had the flu; "The real deal". Since I don't smoke, don't have asthma, or a history of respiratory problems . in fact no history of illness, he let me go home. I babbled a bit about what I had gone through. He said "You are healthy and strong. You got the virus and for some reason your immune system failed you. You succumbed and had to weather the full blast.You can see why people die from it. It can be a killer." I am scared by the flu ... "the real deal". Though old (56), I'm hardly frail. I got a flu shot (1st time ever) last year (Nov 2005), but am not getting one this year. "For some reason your immune system failed you" sticks in my mind.I think I know why my immune system failed me that time. I think I can avoid it now. I firmly believe that good food and water, exercise, and sleep, along with stress management and plenty of song and laughter are the cornerstones of good health. I certainly would not criticize anyone, especially one who is frail (including a compromised immune system) from getting a flu shot. I'll induce a mild fever, sweat and detoxwith a 30 minute run each day, but keep tylenol or ibuprophen on hand in case someone's fever starts to approach meltdown. Best of Health to All, Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it is mostly frail, sickly, unhealthy people die from the flu. As I get older and may become frail and sickly I'll be very glad that a simple vaccine will be able to prevent my premature demise.Ken - Original Message From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:07:44 PMSubject: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Personally, I never get the flu shot and now reading this tells me that I've made some good choices in that matter.Mary LynnRev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained MinisterONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .The Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/http://allcreatureconnections.org Special Flu Shot Report"Here come the fear mongers...just in time for the flu vaccine marketing season.. Fear is used to persuade Americans to roll up their sleeves and hand over their children to be vaccinated. Years ago, people developed resistance the old fashioned way: By getting the flu. And then when that type of flu came around again years or decades later, they either didn't get sick or had only a mild case. The vaccine marketeers want to take that away from our population. What will that make us? Vaccine dependent, of course." - Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center Three important reasons to avoid the flu shot: The flu shot contains formaldehyde, gelatin and traces of chicken cells. The flu shot contains viral contaminants that have been linked to cancer. You can get the flu shot - and all the risks that go with it - and still get the
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Marylynn, OK You know the flu to be what it is. You survived the real deal. You know that it can kill. The problem is not fever alone, but respiratory involvement and complications from dehydration. Elderly, especially smokers, asthmatics, people with emphysema or a history of pneumonia, and those with compromised immune systems (including malnourished) are especially at risk. I'm not sure that I'd like to be armed with just some cool wash cloths if my 84 year old mother came down with the real deal. I will not get a flu shot. I am not at risk. I dread the thought of another ordeal with the flu, but I think my lifestyle promotes a healthy immune system. I am free to choose what's right for me and I'm going with my immune system. . no objection from my doctor. My point is that there is a large segment of the population (worldwide) that is at risk . meaning that if they get the flu, i.e. the real deal ... as you and I have gotten, they could very well die. I do not criticize those who opt for a flu shot (if available), nor do I criticize their doctors for recommending it to them. My concern with flu shots and I suppose vaccinations, is that they should not be replacements for healthy lifestyles. (What many people need is food. and water.) Take responsibility for your health. Eat good food. Drink good water. Exercise. Sleep. Laugh. Sing songs/dance even when the radio isn't on. Find joy in the simple mundane tasks. Don't take on the weight of responsibility by limiting other people's choices. Please feel free to disagree with me and to follow whatever course of action (or inaction) you think is in your best interest. My best wishes to all for health and happiness Tom - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Hi Tom .. I've also had the flu .. the real deal and after driving to my parents home to take care of the youngest because both my parents were functioning, but down with it and then to my oldest sister to do the same thing with her 2 small children because she was also sick, I woke up several days later in my own apartment to find my brother sitting beside my bed .. .. I have no memory on how I got home or when my brother came. .. a bad flu and yes, for some reason my (our) immune system had failed some of us. It is the one and only time in my life that I have been that sick. Today I would take other precautions if I knew a bad flu was out there and getting real close .. there's quite a selection to chose from .. sea salt, colloidal silver .. and yes, even that famous .. urine therapy. Unless the information has been removed there should still be statistics that date back to mid or early 90's prior to lumping every thing together to make the figures larger .. should also be listed exactly what falls under that category of FLU .. but I believe the published statistics during that time was less than 2000 individuals world wide that died from the real flu .. all immune compromised .. and it was stated. .. The flu was lumped more or less with having a winter cold .. annoying and uncomfortable .. Sorry, I had the links prior to computer clean but who knows where it is now .. but the UN did actually keep those records .. and I would think they should still be there. Because of that one time flu episode I found out a few things about fever .. 1st, it's good .. it's actually burning out what's making you sick so you do need to let it run it's course .. BUT .. you don't want it to last over-long and you don't want it to be up too high .. 104/105 (F) .. and the best way to control that is with alcohol mixed with water .. just a bit cooler than room temp .. you simply take a wash cloth and place them in the groin area and in the arm pits re-wetting and changing them as they absorb the body heat. .. also gently wash down chest, back, neck area with the same alcohol and water mix .. if you can keep the fever below that Brain Damage level it can do a great job in healing the body and the alcohol water mix is one of the best ways to do that because you have the ability to control it and assist the body in doing it's job. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Tom, I agree and feel like you, but my 87 year old mom is probably in better health than us both! She chooses not to get the shot. That said I still agree with you about those at risk and leading a risky style - in example a certain person I work with is at high risk of Pnumonia, smokes, overweight and on and on - the washcloths may not be a good choice. Thats what the modern health care is all about - its to keep gluttons alive and well so they can consume and continue on. It is that way because wealthy gluttons will payfor it. Doctors have just fallen into the reactive side of the business as the mechanics of survival. The root causes for our demise go much deeper than society will acknowlege. If we had spent half the money we spend on health care on prevention type scientific studies not influenced by corporation we surely would have better sound data to live by. I think there is a good chance that Exercise is 1st by a long long lead then diet 2 and environment 3 (close tie with 2) in determining health. I also think the level of and types of exercise is far more extensive than most people would exert for health. Just my intuition and no data to support it. Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:28:35 -0500 Marylynn, OK You know the flu to be what it is. You survived the real deal. You know that it can kill. The problem is not fever alone, but respiratory involvement and complications from dehydration. Elderly, especially smokers, asthmatics, people with emphysema or a history of pneumonia, and those with compromised immune systems (including malnourished) are especially at risk. I'm not sure that I'd like to be armed with just some cool wash cloths if my 84 year old mother came down with the real deal. I will not get a flu shot. I am not at risk. I dread the thought of another ordeal with the flu, but I think my lifestyle promotes a healthy immune system. I am free to choose what's right for me and I'm going with my immune system. . no objection from my doctor. My point is that there is a large segment of the population (worldwide) that is at risk . meaning that if they get the flu, i.e. the real deal ... as you and I have gotten, they could very well die. I do not criticize those who opt for a flu shot (if available), nor do I criticize their doctors for recommending it to them. My concern with flu shots and I suppose vaccinations, is that they should not be replacements for healthy lifestyles. (What many people need is food. and water.) Take responsibility for your health. Eat good food. Drink good water. Exercise. Sleep. Laugh. Sing songs/dance even when the radio isn't on. Find joy in the simple mundane tasks. Don't take on the weight of responsibility by limiting other people's choices. Please feel free to disagree with me and to follow whatever course of action (or inaction) you think is in your best interest. My best wishes to all for health and happiness Tom - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Hi Tom .. I've also had the flu .. the real deal and after driving to my parents home to take care of the youngest because both my parents were functioning, but down with it and then to my oldest sister to do the same thing with her 2 small children because she was also sick, I woke up several days later in my own apartment to find my brother sitting beside my bed .. .. I have no memory on how I got home or when my brother came. .. a bad flu and yes, for some reason my (our) immune system had failed some of us. It is the one and only time in my life that I have been that sick. Today I would take other precautions if I knew a bad flu was out there and getting real close .. there's quite a selection to chose from .. sea salt, colloidal silver .. and yes, even that famous .. urine therapy. Unless the information has been removed there should still be statistics that date back to mid or early 90's prior to lumping every thing together to make the figures larger .. should also be listed exactly what falls under that category of FLU .. but I believe the published statistics during that time was less than 2000 individuals world wide that died from the real flu .. all immune compromised .. and it was stated. .. The flu was lumped more or less with having a winter cold .. annoying and uncomfortable .. Sorry, I had the links prior to computer clean but who knows where it is now .. but the UN did actually keep those records .. and I would think they
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
I, on the other hand from most of you, will be getting the flu vaccination despite being in excellent health and maintaining it through lifestyle choices. My primary reason for this is the fact that I'm a transit bus driver: during any given day I will come in contact with hundreds, potentially thousands of people. Any one of them could make me sick, or I could make any one of them sick. Passengers for my bus come from all demographics, rich, poor, healthy, weak, black white hispanic whatever. I'm no fan of vaccinations, or even most medicines, but I at least look beyond myself and my own preferences to help protect others. -Kurt JAMES PHELPS wrote: Tom, I agree and feel like you, but my 87 year old mom is probably in better health than us both! She chooses not to get the shot. That said I still agree with you about those at risk and leading a risky style - in example a certain person I work with is at high risk of Pnumonia, smokes, overweight and on and on - the washcloths may not be a good choice. Thats what the modern health care is all about - its to keep gluttons alive and well so they can consume and continue on. It is that way because wealthy gluttons will payfor it. Doctors have just fallen into the reactive side of the business as the mechanics of survival. The root causes for our demise go much deeper than society will acknowlege. If we had spent half the money we spend on health care on prevention type scientific studies not influenced by corporation we surely would have better sound data to live by. I think there is a good chance that Exercise is 1st by a long long lead then diet 2 and environment 3 (close tie with 2) in determining health. I also think the level of and types of exercise is far more extensive than most people would exert for health. Just my intuition and no data to support it. Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:28:35 -0500 Marylynn, OK You know the flu to be what it is. You survived the real deal. You know that it can kill. The problem is not fever alone, but respiratory involvement and complications from dehydration. Elderly, especially smokers, asthmatics, people with emphysema or a history of pneumonia, and those with compromised immune systems (including malnourished) are especially at risk. I'm not sure that I'd like to be armed with just some cool wash cloths if my 84 year old mother came down with the real deal. I will not get a flu shot. I am not at risk. I dread the thought of another ordeal with the flu, but I think my lifestyle promotes a healthy immune system. I am free to choose what's right for me and I'm going with my immune system. . no objection from my doctor. My point is that there is a large segment of the population (worldwide) that is at risk . meaning that if they get the flu, i.e. the real deal ... as you and I have gotten, they could very well die. I do not criticize those who opt for a flu shot (if available), nor do I criticize their doctors for recommending it to them. My concern with flu shots and I suppose vaccinations, is that they should not be replacements for healthy lifestyles. (What many people need is food. and water.) Take responsibility for your health. Eat good food. Drink good water. Exercise. Sleep. Laugh. Sing songs/dance even when the radio isn't on. Find joy in the simple mundane tasks. Don't take on the weight of responsibility by limiting other people's choices. Please feel free to disagree with me and to follow whatever course of action (or inaction) you think is in your best interest. My best wishes to all for health and happiness Tom - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Hi Tom .. I've also had the flu .. the real deal and after driving to my parents home to take care of the youngest because both my parents were functioning, but down with it and then to my oldest sister to do the same thing with her 2 small children because she was also sick, I woke up several days later in my own apartment to find my brother sitting beside my bed .. .. I have no memory on how I got home or when my brother came. .. a bad flu and yes, for some reason my (our) immune system had failed some of us. It is the one and only time in my life that I have been that sick. Today I would take other precautions if I knew a bad flu was out there and getting real close .. there's quite a selection to chose from .. sea salt,
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Tom, I'm sorry if I gave the impression of not wishing to allow free choice because I am very much in favor of free .. but informed .. choice. There is a Veterinarian in Texas (USA) that has sued all the other veterinarians in Texas for Fraud by Misrepresentation .. I actually do have that original wording of the lawsuit that I can forward if anyone is interested .. after several years and up against quite a bit of money from the AVMA plus the Texas vets Dr. Rodgers has opened up this case as a class action suit .. still pending. .. and yes, Dr. Rodgers does vaccinate .. his vaccination protocol is listed on his web site. At present there is something called the Rabies Vaccination Challenge .. research is presently being funded by animal groups to challenge the idea of repeated rabies vaccination .. at present what is known is that there is no known case of rabies with any animal that has received 2 vaccinations in it's life .. and there is a whole slew of dis-orders that are directly related to rabies vaccinations .. On Sheri Nakken's site VaccineInfo, she has listed how many people have died and/or been disabled from a disease and compared that to how many have died and/or disabled from the vaccine. Now that knowledge would go a long way toward informed choices. I like the idea of something called quality of life. Sometimes people die. I don't wish to sound hard or cruel about the subject but if we live then we will need to die. My mother died quickly .. 30 days from knowledge of something wrong to death and of those 30 days, probably 20 of them were close to an unconscious state .. That kind of death will always be hard on those who are left behind. My father died slowly .. from 1977 to his death in 1993 we had the opportunity of watching him die piecemeal .. a little bit at a time .. and watch his terror of his own physical failings. That kind of death will always be harder on those who are left behind. This is just my opinion .. nothing more .. if the flu could have taken my father with a quicker, cleaner, more peaceful death I personally would have welcomed it and then I could have and would have taken time to grieve. My apologies up front to those who are of a different religious background .. but it has always boggled my mind to have grown up in a christian environment .. the kind that said when we die we get to sit besides Jesus or God .. as you can see, I wasn't a very good one .. .. but if our reward is this place called heaven we seem to struggle very, very hard to avoid going there. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:28:35 -0500 Marylynn, OK You know the flu to be what it is. You survived the real deal. You know that it can kill. The problem is not fever alone, but respiratory involvement and complications from dehydration. Elderly, especially smokers, asthmatics, people with emphysema or a history of pneumonia, and those with compromised immune systems (including malnourished) are especially at risk. I'm not sure that I'd like to be armed with just some cool wash cloths if my 84 year old mother came down with the real deal. I will not get a flu shot. I am not at risk. I dread the thought of another ordeal with the flu, but I think my lifestyle promotes a healthy immune system. I am free to choose what's right for me and I'm going with my immune system. . no objection from my doctor. My point is that there is a large segment of the population (worldwide) that is at risk . meaning that if they get the flu, i.e. the real deal ... as you and I have gotten, they could very well die. I do not criticize those who opt for a flu shot (if available), nor do I criticize their doctors for recommending it to them. My concern with flu shots and I suppose vaccinations, is that they should not be replacements for healthy lifestyles. (What many people need is food. and water.) Take responsibility for your health. Eat good food. Drink good water. Exercise. Sleep. Laugh. Sing songs/dance even when the radio isn't on. Find joy in the simple mundane tasks. Don't take on the weight of responsibility by limiting other people's choices. Please feel free to disagree with me and to follow whatever course of action (or inaction) you think is in your best interest. My best wishes to all for health and happiness
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
I'd say you are at high risk- a good point and unselfish. Jim From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:49:55 -0500 I, on the other hand from most of you, will be getting the flu vaccination despite being in excellent health and maintaining it through lifestyle choices. My primary reason for this is the fact that I'm a transit bus driver: during any given day I will come in contact with hundreds, potentially thousands of people. Any one of them could make me sick, or I could make any one of them sick. Passengers for my bus come from all demographics, rich, poor, healthy, weak, black white hispanic whatever. I'm no fan of vaccinations, or even most medicines, but I at least look beyond myself and my own preferences to help protect others. -Kurt JAMES PHELPS wrote: Tom, I agree and feel like you, but my 87 year old mom is probably in better health than us both! She chooses not to get the shot. That said I still agree with you about those at risk and leading a risky style - in example a certain person I work with is at high risk of Pnumonia, smokes, overweight and on and on - the washcloths may not be a good choice. Thats what the modern health care is all about - its to keep gluttons alive and well so they can consume and continue on. It is that way because wealthy gluttons will payfor it. Doctors have just fallen into the reactive side of the business as the mechanics of survival. The root causes for our demise go much deeper than society will acknowlege. If we had spent half the money we spend on health care on prevention type scientific studies not influenced by corporation we surely would have better sound data to live by. I think there is a good chance that Exercise is 1st by a long long lead then diet 2 and environment 3 (close tie with 2) in determining health. I also think the level of and types of exercise is far more extensive than most people would exert for health. Just my intuition and no data to support it. Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:28:35 -0500 Marylynn, OK You know the flu to be what it is. You survived the real deal. You know that it can kill. The problem is not fever alone, but respiratory involvement and complications from dehydration. Elderly, especially smokers, asthmatics, people with emphysema or a history of pneumonia, and those with compromised immune systems (including malnourished) are especially at risk. I'm not sure that I'd like to be armed with just some cool wash cloths if my 84 year old mother came down with the real deal. I will not get a flu shot. I am not at risk. I dread the thought of another ordeal with the flu, but I think my lifestyle promotes a healthy immune system. I am free to choose what's right for me and I'm going with my immune system. . no objection from my doctor. My point is that there is a large segment of the population (worldwide) that is at risk . meaning that if they get the flu, i.e. the real deal ... as you and I have gotten, they could very well die. I do not criticize those who opt for a flu shot (if available), nor do I criticize their doctors for recommending it to them. My concern with flu shots and I suppose vaccinations, is that they should not be replacements for healthy lifestyles. (What many people need is food. and water.) Take responsibility for your health. Eat good food. Drink good water. Exercise. Sleep. Laugh. Sing songs/dance even when the radio isn't on. Find joy in the simple mundane tasks. Don't take on the weight of responsibility by limiting other people's choices. Please feel free to disagree with me and to follow whatever course of action (or inaction) you think is in your best interest. My best wishes to all for health and happiness Tom - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Hi Tom .. I've also had the flu .. the real deal and after driving to my parents home to take care of the youngest because both my parents were functioning, but down with it and then to my oldest sister to do the same thing with her 2 small children because she was also sick, I woke up several days later in my own apartment to find my brother sitting beside my bed .. .. I have no memory on how I got home or when my brother came. .. a bad
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Title: October 2006 Free Newsletter i had something a couple of years ago, not quite sure what it was, but it put me down for two days. sweat, chills, stomach problems, i slept probably 30 of that 48 hours, and i could hardly walk to the kitchen for water. my mother thought it was extremely funny when i came out of my room, leaned on the doorpost, and went crosseyed. if it hadnt been for the sleeping, ithink imight have gone nutty from the misery of it. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Ken, I have heard people say that they had "a touch of the flu" or they missed work for a day or two because they "had the flu. Marylynn's post at one point includes the flu, with colds, as being "uncomfortable". "In conclusion Rather than see the flu, colds, fevers and nasal discharge solely as uncomfortable, we should know that they operate in our best interest: to heal us, to cleanse us and to detoxify us." I know what the flu can be. In February of 2005 I experienced the real deal. A cough and fever turned to deliriums while a blizzard raged outside. I was shivering constantly. The bed sheets were soakedwith sweat.My wife tells me I drank 2 gallons of fluid (water,juice, Gatorade) a day, yet I don't remember urinating. I didn't sleep, at least as I know sleep, for three days. When I closed my eyes, lights flashes, scenes shifted, images morphed grotesquely; jet engines wailed, dogs barked, and for hours on end, a two bar Robert Johnson phrase played repeatedly. My head pounded; I coughed andcoughed. By the time the roads were clear and I got to my doctor, I was greatly improved. The dogs had stopped barking and I had slept a bit the night before. He said I had the flu; "The real deal". Since I don't smoke, don't have asthma, or a history of respiratory problems . in fact no history of illness, he let me go home. I babbled a bit about what I had gone through. He said "You are healthy and strong. You got the virus and for some reason your immune system failed you. You succumbed and had to weather the full blast.You can see why people die from it. It can be a killer." I am scared by the flu ... "the real deal". Though old (56), I'm hardly frail. I got a flu shot (1st time ever) last year (Nov 2005), but am not getting one this year. "For some reason your immune system failed you" sticks in my mind.I think I know why my immune system failed me that time. I think I can avoid it now. I firmly believe that good food and water, exercise, and sleep, along with stress management and plenty of song and laughter are the cornerstones of good health. I certainly would not criticize anyone, especially one who is frail (including a compromised immune system) from getting a flu shot. I'll induce a mild fever, sweat and detoxwith a 30 minute run each day, but keep tylenol or ibuprophen on hand in case someone's fever starts to approach meltdown. Best of Health to All, Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it is mostly frail, sickly, unhealthy people die from the flu. As I get older and may become frail and sickly I'll be very glad that a simple vaccine will be able to prevent my premature demise.Ken - Original Message From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:07:44 PMSubject: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Personally, I never get the flu shot and now reading this tells me that I've made some good choices in that matter.Mary LynnRev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained MinisterONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .The Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/http://allcreatureconnections.org
[Biofuel] was...My prediction
Hi, I have read several links referring to Bush's awful environmental record. Weakening all sorts of environmental protection, grandfathering coal plants and other large polluters, weakening emissions standards etc. All of this was in context as a referendum on Iraq and his terrible environmental record. Paying lip service to alt energy development, then cutting funding, all in all a protest vote on the war and the environment. Apparently many were just fed up with his denial of global climate change as well. Lots was said about his lousy record on both and was clearly evident with every repub rep, tripping over themselves to highlight their alleged green credentials regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction Sent: 09 Nov '06 23:49 Hi Terry...I have heard little to nothing along these lines. Perhaps if we can get the war calmed down or ideally over, we'll begin to hear more about what really sustains us and matters most...earth and the effects of humanity on the earth's processes that keep us alive. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction Hi Mike, The main stream news media echos what you stated that the referendum is a statement about opposition against the Iraq war, however, I'm interested in also finding out if some of the votes were a protest against the Bush administrations record on the environment. Any comments on this? Terry Dyck Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Doctors Urged to Use Google for Diagnosis
Interesting Concept Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org Baffled GPs urged to try diagnosis by Google http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2446250,00.html Times Online - Nov 9, 2006 By Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor. The internet search engine used by millions of people to find a plumber or discover what their house is worth is also pretty handy when it comes to putting a name to unusual ailments. Diagnosis: Google Red Herring Google could 'help doctors diagnose illness' Daily Mail - UK Life Style Extra - CIO - InformationWeek - MedPage Today all 134 news articles » ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Extraordinary Evidence
Extraordinary Evidence - "Cold Fusion" (Score: 1)by vlad on Thursday, November 09, 2006 @ 22:11:24 PST(User Info | Send a Message) Steven Krivit writes: The field of low energy nuclear reactions, historically known as cold fusion, has never had simple physical evidence of the claimed nuclear processes to physically place in the hands of doubters.Until now.Scientists at the U.S. Navys San Diego SPAWAR Systems Center have produced something unique in the 17-year history of the scientific drama historically known as cold fusion: simple, portable, highly repeatable, unambiguous, and permanent physical evidence of nuclear events using detectors that have a long track record of reliability and acceptance among nuclear physicists.Using a unique experimental method called co-deposition, combined with the application of external electric and magnetic fields, and recording the results with standard nuclear-industry detectors, researchers have produced what may be the most convincing evidence yet in the pursuit of proof of low energy nuclear reactions. New Energy Times, issue #19"Extraordinary Evidence"http://newenergytimes.com/news/2006/NET19.htm#ee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Super efficient system starts to receive industry acclaim
Super efficient system starts to receive industry acclaim http://www.practicalfm.co.uk/shownews.asp?id=95035 corrected broken link Environmentalists Call for Freeze on Green House Gas-Producing Chemicals http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1163418656.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
