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Re: [Biofuel] How to Hedge

[Jason& Katie]

family farming and barter. you could also try asking your neighbors if you 
can borrow a corner of their yards in trade for a supply of vegetables. 
people need food, and they most likely would be willing to give you needed 
supplies or help with work in trade for it. i say start stockpiling 
preserves and canning vegetables, food is money.
Jason
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From: "DHAJOGLO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] How to Hedge


> As I watch and learn it's interesting to note that hedging against an 
> economic collapse is a difficult thing.  For instance, I don't own land 
> that I can use to plant crops, raise live stock, and generally subside on. 
> Further, in order to get such land I either have to wait several years to 
> save enough money or go into debt.  Normally, a small amount of debt would 
> not be of concern.  But when an economy collapses, debt is one of the 
> biggest concerns.  So how does one hedge without going into debt?
>
> I posit that co-ops are an option but they too become vulnerable in a 
> depression.  Any ideas?
>
> -dave
>
> On Wednesday, December 06, 2006  9:27 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>
>>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:27:54 -0800 (PST)
>>From: Kirk McLoren
>>To: biofuel 
>>Subject: [Biofuel] solar cell achieves 40.7% conversion efficiency
>>
>>http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/06/027228
>>
>>  "...with DOE funding, a concentrator solar cell produced by 
>> Boeing-Spectrolab has recently achieved a world-record conversion 
>> efficiency of 40.7 percent, establishing a new milestone in 
>> sunlight-to-electricity performance."
>>
>>
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[Biofuel] Fwd: Dollar DOWN

[Kirk McLoren]

  

st1\:* {   BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui)  }  More info on the 
Dollar's demise and the US economy.  This kind of info appears to be increasing 
more and more.  Mike DuPree
   
  - Original Message -   From: RBLOPER 
  To: RBLOPER 
  Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:09 AM
  Subject: I thought this was interesting.

  

By: Bob Chapman, The International Forecaster
Wed. Dec. 6 -- GoldSeek.com
  Soon spending for the occupation in Afghanistan will be more than $88 billion 
and the cost for Iraq will be in excess of $420 billion. Early next year these 
figures will exceed the cost of Korea $361 billion, and Vietnam $531 billion, 
and will be closing in on the cost of WWII, all off budget of course.
  This coming year there will be an additional $460 billion in the pipeline. 
Republicans are hoping to continue funding by passing continued spending 
resolutions and that isn’t going to happen. That means when George Bush 
requests another $130 billion in January, he is not going to get it all. Not 
only will Congress begin next year to turn against the war and it’s funding, 
but also so will England. 
  This is in part why the elitists had Congress authorize the Iraq Study Group. 
They saw what was coming, public revulsion, and wanted to set the pace and 
control the withdrawal. There are hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed 
people in Iraq because George and the neocons and Tony Blair wanted war. This 
war has now lasted longer than WWII.
  As these wars continue so does the costs. These costs you might say have 
pushed US debt over the edge. The dollar is again descending and soon will test 
the 80-level on the USDX, the Dollar Index, so the moment of truth will be had 
in 2007 for the dollar. From here on out the inflow of funds from foreign 
investors and central banks will fall. 
  Once the flow falls below $3.5 billion a day the real trouble will begin. How 
can investors justify making dollar investments with the dollar falling? It is 
more prudent to sell the dollars and invest in something else, like gold, the 
only real money. 
  If the funds flow stops and we go negative, which we will in 2007, then we 
cannot fund external wars and occupations, and the economy will head down 
quickly. A situation such as this feeds on itself. 
  A negative current account deficit can only be funded by the Fed printing 
more fiat dollars, which will bring on hyperinflation. Interest rates won’t be 
able to be lowered to help the economy, because if they are lowered, dollar 
holders will dump even more dollars sending the dollar even lower. The fact is 
rates will have to be raised in an effort to stop the dollar selling. That will 
send the US and world economy into depression. There is no way out. The US 
government and the Fed are in a box, they cannot get out, and there is no way 
back.
  The US is committed to long-term debt in excess of $70 trillion and 
short-term debt that will approach the statutory debt limit of $8.97 trillion 
in 2007. That short-term debt is up 51% in five years. There is no reason to 
believe that a policy of continued debt will persist indefinitely. 
  The recession began after our economic peak last January. For almost six 
months every day we have had an inverted yield curve. In each of the last six 
recessions since 1968, they have been preceded by the yields on the 10-year 
Treasury notes falling lower than the yield on three-month yields for a period 
longer than three months. Our economy has again met that criterion. Last week’s 
Purchasing Managers manufacturing index fell below 50 for the first time in 
several years. Three months under 50 and we will have another recession alarm 
go off. 
  We write this so you can now take appropriate action. That is get out of the 
stock market and into gold and silver related assets and get rid of debt, 
particularly credit card and revolving debt, vehicle debt and other loans. Next 
year there is a good chance that one of two breadwinners in most families will 
be out of work. This could keep you from losing your home and perhaps save you 
from bankruptcy. We know Americans have too much debt. On 1/1/06, private 
borrowing amounted to $1.241 trillion. In the first half of 2006 alone, equity 
withdrawals exceeded $700 billion. Consumers borrowed 11% of GDP. What does the 
consumer do when his house value falls and it can no longer be used as an ATM 
machine? You got it, it is called recession and then depression. That means 
over the next few years the economy will contract by at least 10%. 
  That will cause the biggest recession since WWII. That would send the dollar 
even lower because tax flows would fall and all government entities would be on 
the edge if not in bankruptcy. That means all those pensions would fall as the 
Dow falls 50%. This is going to shake the US and world financial system to its 
very foundations. The social chaos will be unbelievable, especially with 30 
million illegal alien

[Biofuel] How to Hedge

[DHAJOGLO]

As I watch and learn it's interesting to note that hedging against an economic 
collapse is a difficult thing.  For instance, I don't own land that I can use 
to plant crops, raise live stock, and generally subside on.  Further, in order 
to get such land I either have to wait several years to save enough money or go 
into debt.  Normally, a small amount of debt would not be of concern.  But when 
an economy collapses, debt is one of the biggest concerns.  So how does one 
hedge without going into debt?  

I posit that co-ops are an option but they too become vulnerable in a 
depression.  Any ideas?

-dave

On Wednesday, December 06, 2006  9:27 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:27:54 -0800 (PST)
>From: Kirk McLoren
>To: biofuel 
>Subject: [Biofuel] solar cell achieves 40.7% conversion efficiency
>
>http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/06/027228
>
>  "...with DOE funding, a concentrator solar cell produced by 
> Boeing-Spectrolab has recently achieved a world-record conversion efficiency 
> of 40.7 percent, establishing a new milestone in sunlight-to-electricity 
> performance."
>
>
>-
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[Biofuel] Dollar DOWN

[M&K DuPree]

More info on the Dollar's demise and the US economy.  This kind of info appears 
to be increasing more and more.  Mike DuPree

- Original Message - 
From: RBLOPER 
To: RBLOPER 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: I thought this was interesting.


By: Bob Chapman, The International Forecaster
Wed. Dec. 6 -- GoldSeek.com

Soon spending for the occupation in Afghanistan will be more than $88 billion 
and the cost for Iraq will be in excess of $420 billion. Early next year these 
figures will exceed the cost of Korea $361 billion, and Vietnam $531 billion, 
and will be closing in on the cost of WWII, all off budget of course.

This coming year there will be an additional $460 billion in the pipeline. 
Republicans are hoping to continue funding by passing continued spending 
resolutions and that isn't going to happen. That means when George Bush 
requests another $130 billion in January, he is not going to get it all. Not 
only will Congress begin next year to turn against the war and it's funding, 
but also so will England. 

This is in part why the elitists had Congress authorize the Iraq Study Group. 
They saw what was coming, public revulsion, and wanted to set the pace and 
control the withdrawal. There are hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed 
people in Iraq because George and the neocons and Tony Blair wanted war. This 
war has now lasted longer than WWII.

As these wars continue so does the costs. These costs you might say have pushed 
US debt over the edge. The dollar is again descending and soon will test the 
80-level on the USDX, the Dollar Index, so the moment of truth will be had in 
2007 for the dollar. From here on out the inflow of funds from foreign 
investors and central banks will fall. 

Once the flow falls below $3.5 billion a day the real trouble will begin. How 
can investors justify making dollar investments with the dollar falling? It is 
more prudent to sell the dollars and invest in something else, like gold, the 
only real money. 

If the funds flow stops and we go negative, which we will in 2007, then we 
cannot fund external wars and occupations, and the economy will head down 
quickly. A situation such as this feeds on itself. 

A negative current account deficit can only be funded by the Fed printing more 
fiat dollars, which will bring on hyperinflation. Interest rates won't be able 
to be lowered to help the economy, because if they are lowered, dollar holders 
will dump even more dollars sending the dollar even lower. The fact is rates 
will have to be raised in an effort to stop the dollar selling. That will send 
the US and world economy into depression. There is no way out. The US 
government and the Fed are in a box, they cannot get out, and there is no way 
back.

The US is committed to long-term debt in excess of $70 trillion and short-term 
debt that will approach the statutory debt limit of $8.97 trillion in 2007. 
That short-term debt is up 51% in five years. There is no reason to believe 
that a policy of continued debt will persist indefinitely. 

The recession began after our economic peak last January. For almost six months 
every day we have had an inverted yield curve. In each of the last six 
recessions since 1968, they have been preceded by the yields on the 10-year 
Treasury notes falling lower than the yield on three-month yields for a period 
longer than three months. Our economy has again met that criterion. Last week's 
Purchasing Managers manufacturing index fell below 50 for the first time in 
several years. Three months under 50 and we will have another recession alarm 
go off. 

We write this so you can now take appropriate action. That is get out of the 
stock market and into gold and silver related assets and get rid of debt, 
particularly credit card and revolving debt, vehicle debt and other loans. Next 
year there is a good chance that one of two breadwinners in most families will 
be out of work. This could keep you from losing your home and perhaps save you 
from bankruptcy. We know Americans have too much debt. On 1/1/06, private 
borrowing amounted to $1.241 trillion. In the first half of 2006 alone, equity 
withdrawals exceeded $700 billion. Consumers borrowed 11% of GDP. What does the 
consumer do when his house value falls and it can no longer be used as an ATM 
machine? You got it, it is called recession and then depression. That means 
over the next few years the economy will contract by at least 10%. 

That will cause the biggest recession since WWII. That would send the dollar 
even lower because tax flows would fall and all government entities would be on 
the edge if not in bankruptcy. That means all those pensions would fall as the 
Dow falls 50%. This is going to shake the US and world financial system to its 
very foundations. The social chaos will be unbelievable, especially with 30 
million illegal aliens roaming the streets. We face a meltdown of gigantic 
proportions and there is no way to avoid it

Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing

[Joe Street]

Good point Mike;

Use energy now to prepare for a different picture tomorrow.  This is 
what I have been thinking.  If hyperinflation hits what will be the 
value of THINGS?  The dollar value will be meaningless.  The real value 
will be in what a thing can do for your life.  The ability to make some 
small amount of fuel, to grow your own food, to generate some 
electricity will mean real wealth.  You may not be able to afford to buy 
these things when the time comes.  Converting money to that kind of 
capability now may be the smartest investment anyone can make.


Joe

M&K DuPree wrote:

Kirk...excellent video.  Thank you.  Newman's a magician...makes you 
smile when you want to weep.  It seems if I believe him, and how can I 
not, then I have only one thing to work towards--using our energy 
now to prepare a new world run on a very different energy.  What might 
that energy be?  What will that world be?  Thanks again, Kirk.  Mike 
DuPree 


- Original Message -
*From:* Kirk McLoren 
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967
 
If you havent seen his explanation of why and how it is well worth

doing so.
Inflation is my guess and a dead economy. Stagflation? on steroids.
:(
Kirk

*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>/* wrote:

Here is a link on the subject you might find very informative:

http://www.oilempire.us/iran.html

In addition to the questions you ask in your post, ask
yourself what happens when countries which are holding huge
amounts of US dollar ( because they need it to buy oil) have
the option to dump the dollar and convert to euro or yen? 
What will the dumping do to the value of the dollar?  What

will it do to the US economy?  Scarry thoughts?

Joe

M&K DuPree wrote:


I just heard on CNBC this morning, Wednesday, December 6,
about 10:00amEST, that it has been officially confirmed that
Iran is pricing its' oil in Euros.  There was also mention of
Russia doing same as well as pricing their oil in Yen, so
both Euros and Yen for Russian oil.  I have recently read
somewhere, don't remember where, so can only suggest, that
along with keeping oil in the ground, keeping oil priced in
US$ is the bottom line reason for our war in Iraq. 
Obviously, with the US$'s further decline, depending upon

your point of view, there is greater pressure on the US to
either find ways to militarize throughout the planet or to
find alternative sources of energy.  Some might say both. 
Curious how the List evaluates these developments and any

additional information anyone can offer.  I know Keith has
posted reference to an article by Greg Palast, "Keeping
Iraq's Oil in the Ground."  This article makes a case for the
US role in Iraq being the manipulation of oil prices, as long
as oil is priced in US$s.  What happens, however, when oil is
priced in another currency against which the US$ weakens? 
Plenty of other questions to ask.  But this is a start.  Mike

DuPree

 


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