[Biofuel] 9/11 Truther Next British Prime Minister?
Wow, I hope Meacher does replace the Bush cronie known as Tony Blair. Peace, D. Mindock P.S. Please check out: http://rbnlive.com/archiveindex.html for interesting radio shows. They don't pussyfoot around. 9/11 Truther Next British Prime Minister? December 22, 2006 - Michael Meacher MP, former environment minister and 9/11 truther who attracted press attention for publicly questioning the official story behind the terrorist attack in a September 2003 article, could be in contention for the Labour Party leadership race and thus replace Tony Blair as the next British Prime Minister. Michael Meacher is well on the way to announcing his decision to stand in the forthcoming Labour leadership race, according to one of his key supporters, reports the London Guardian. With Tony Blair set to stand down before September 2007, the party leader will be the de facto Prime Minister, at least until the next general election in 2009, where many expect David Cameron, a favorite of the Globalists, to reclaim 10 Downing Street for the Tories. Meacher is set to rally the anti-war left sentiment of the Labour Party in an attempt to defeat current Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown, who up until now has been widely tipped as a shoe in for Prime Minister. Under the headline, This War On Terrorism Is Bogus, Meacher's 2003 Guardian piece sent shock waves through the political spectrum as he was one of the first respected former government cabinet members worldwide to openly attack the official fable of 9/11. Read More ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers
Hi Kirk and all, I much prefer hot water to herbicides but why not just pull them and compost them. It still looks like it´s tied to fossil fuel. Tom Irwin http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg13786.html [biofuel] Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar? http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg62235.html Re: [Biofuel] FFA's as Weed Killer Best Keith From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of chemicals. The town is using a machine that superheats water and dispenses it in a carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without using toxic chemical herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New Zealand, is in use in several other countries but is almost unknown in the United States. Carrboro is testing the equipment to implement the town's least toxic Integrated Pest Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The policy calls for phasing out use of conventional pesticides, including herbicides, on town property, but does not apply to the local residents, their property or businesses. City leaders hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without poisoning the environment. To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of Carrboro's pest management practices showed that more pesticides were used on weeds than for any other purpose. Weeds are a problem around buildings and parking lots, along curbs and gutters and in parks. The town is using a comprehensive approach, rather seeking a single solution, including a biodegradable herbicide made from corn gluten, propane flamers which kill plants by singing them, thick mulch on plant beds to smother weeds, and now hot water. The machine in use in Carrboro produces a steady stream of near- boiling water that kills weeds by melting the waxy outer coating of their leaves. The self-contained machine is mounted on a small truck with hoses connected to long-handled applicator wands. A quick spray on unwanted weeds kills them; the plants darken almost immediately and turn brown within a few hours. The flow of water is low and cools quickly. While the results look very much like that of a contact herbicide, there is no toxic residue and the area is immediately safe for play. That's what it is all about, said Allen Spalt, Director of the Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of Aldermen. We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we can eliminate the risk of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already uses only small amounts of pesticides; we believe that this hot water system may be part of the solution to reducing use completely. The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until the end of June, will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for other interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final decision will be made whether or not the town will purchase the equipment. http://www.ghorganics.com/HotWeedKiller.htmhttp://www.ghorganics.co m/HotWeedKiller.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/archttp://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) ~ http://www.panna.org/http://www.panna.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] {Spam?} Re: Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers
Hello Tom. It is not necessary to be tied to any fossil fuel or even any specific fuel if the design is good. Some local entrepreneur might transform this to use wood, charcoal, recycled paper, cellulosic waste and/or waste vegetable oil, instead of liquid fossil fuel. By the description is just a boiler on a truck, it could even be self powered like a Steam Train from early times. Best Regards. Juan Boveda -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nombre de Tom Irwin Enviado el: jueves, 21 de diciembre de 2006 23:23 Para: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers Hi Kirk and all, I much prefer hot water to herbicides but why not just pull them and compost them. It still looks like it4s tied to fossil fuel. Tom Irwin From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of chemicals. The town is using a machine that superheats water and dispenses it in a carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without using toxic chemical herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New Zealand, is in use in several other countries but is almost unknown in the United States. Carrboro is testing the equipment to implement the town's least toxic Integrated Pest Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The policy calls for phasing out use of conventional pesticides, including herbicides, on town property, but does not apply to the local residents, their property or businesses. City leaders hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without poisoning the environment. To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of Carrboro's pest management practices showed that more pesticides were used on weeds than for any other purpose. Weeds are a problem around buildings and parking lots, along curbs and gutters and in parks. The town is using a comprehensive approach, rather seeking a single solution, including a biodegradable herbicide made from corn gluten, propane flamers which kill plants by singing them, thick mulch on plant beds to smother weeds, and now hot water. The machine in use in Carrboro produces a steady stream of near- boiling water that kills weeds by melting the waxy outer coating of their leaves. The self-contained machine is mounted on a small truck with hoses connected to long-handled applicator wands. A quick spray on unwanted weeds kills them; the plants darken almost immediately and turn brown within a few hours. The flow of water is low and cools quickly. While the results look very much like that of a contact herbicide, there is no toxic residue and the area is immediately safe for play. That's what it is all about, said Allen Spalt, Director of the Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of Aldermen. We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we can eliminate the risk of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already uses only small amounts of pesticides; we believe that this hot water system may be part of the solution to reducing use completely. The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until the end of June, will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for other interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final decision will be made whether or not the town will purchase the equipment. http://www.ghorganics.com/HotWeedKiller.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) ~ http://www.panna.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. http://www.eset.com___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] The Man Who Sold the War
James Bamford's November 17th, 2005 profile of John Rendon, The Man Who Sold the War, won the 2006 National Magazine Award in the reporting category.http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8798997/the_man_who_sold_the_war/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] {Spam?} Re: Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers
Hi Juan and all,
Yes, I like to dream too. It would be nice if renewable fuels were used for this. Unfortunately, most folks will take the easy path. There are far too many fossil addicts. I am in recovery but it´s just so easy to return. They still are so incredible cheap.
Tom Irwin
From: "Juan Boveda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] {Spam?} Re: Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmersDate: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:13:50 -0300
Hello Tom.
It is not necessary to be tied to any fossil fuel or even any specific fuel if the design is good.
Some local entrepreneur might transform this to use wood, charcoal,recycled paper, cellulosic wasteand/or waste vegetable oil, instead of liquid fossil fuel.
By the description is just a boiler on a truck, it could even be self powered like a Steam Train from early times.
Best Regards.
Juan Bóveda
-Mensaje original-De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]En nombre de Tom IrwinEnviado el: jueves, 21 de diciembre de 2006 23:23Para: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgAsunto: Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers
Hi Kirk and all,
I much prefer hot water to herbicides but why not just pull them and compost them. It still looks like it4s tied to fossil fuel.
Tom Irwin
From:Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmersDate:Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:08 -0800 (PST)
"US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds"
Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA)
Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of chemicals. The town is using a machine that superheats water and dispenses it in a carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without using toxic chemical herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New Zealand, is in use in several other countries but is almost unknown in the United States.
Carrboro is testing the equipment to implement the town's least toxic Integrated Pest Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The policy calls for phasing out use of conventional pesticides, including herbicides, on town property, but does not apply to the local residents, their property or businesses. City leaders hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without poisoning the environment.
To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of Carrboro's pest management practices showed that more pesticides were used on weeds than for any other purpose. Weeds are a problem around buildings and parking lots, along curbs and gutters and in parks. The town is using a comprehensive approach, rather seeking a single solution, including a biodegradable herbicide made from corn gluten, propane flamers which kill plants by singing them, thick mulch on plant beds to smother weeds, and now hot water.
The machine in use in Carrboro produces a steady stream of near- boiling water that kills weeds by melting the waxy outer coating of their leaves. The self-contained machine is mounted on a small truck with hoses connected to long-handled applicator wands. A quick spray on unwanted weeds kills them; the plants darken almost immediately and turn brown within a few hours. The flow of water is low and cools quickly. While the results look very much like that of a contact herbicide, there is no toxic residue and the area is immediately safe for play.
"That's what it is all about," said Allen Spalt, Director of the Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of Aldermen. "We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we can eliminate the risk of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already uses only small amounts of pesticides; we believe that this hot water system may be part of the solution to reducing use completely."
The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until the end of June, will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for other interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final decision will be made whether or not the town will purchase the equipment.
http://www.ghorganics.com/HotWeedKiller.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) ~ http://www.panna.org/
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[Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22
Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien praises workers' ingenuity: City plants save millions in energy costs Byline: Jake Rupert Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / Methane gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned off, is running engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity yearly.; Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave McCartney and Dave Robertson said they 'knew they were on to something' when the $4.5-million power-producing system at the sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few years. When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning two months ago, he spoke about creating a culture of excellence at City Hall, but he had a difficult time explaining how it would work. Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility workers recently won an award for coming up with innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per year on energy costs. His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste water treatment, created a system to turn methane gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the city's sewage treatment plant. Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in Canada to burn the gas effectively through three 16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half the power the plant uses. The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost $4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself by 2002. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for, Mr. O'Brien said. Exactly what I'm talking about. The true strength of an organization is not in the executive office or administration. It's with its operational people. These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more of them. That's the kind of culture I want to develop. They should get an award from the city, too. Last week, the city's utility department got the top prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15 cities in the province. Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street pumping station using a natural drop in elevation. The power is used in pumps that send drinking water across a large portion of the city. Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the award. He said other municipalities are doing similar things on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to the issue. It's unique, he said. They've really taken a serious approach to managing electricity, and they have been innovative enough to make things work quite well. The detailed information on, and management of, energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is staggering. At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how much it's producing, and how much it is taking from the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even possible to tell if a major component is pulling more or less power than it should. Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his, but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to design the system. The methane is produced by bacteria in airless digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The gas is captured and sent to a building housing the engines, which roar around the clock and each produce enough electricity in an hour to power an average house for a month. The electricity is then put on the plant's internal grid. Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler heating system. Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system water is then passed through the engines' searing exhaust system to be heated up further. Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well that several other municipalities have sent people to check it out. It's been done before, but never as successfully as we have, Mr. Robertson said. It feels nice to get the award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew we were on to something. If the two energy creating projects didn't exist, property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to buy more power, and this is something that is not lost on Ottawa's new mayor. I think these guys are municipal heroes, Mr. O'Brien said. -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22
The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles) Kirk Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien praises workers' ingenuity: City plants save millions in energy costs Byline: Jake Rupert Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / Methane gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned off, is running engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity yearly.; Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave McCartney and Dave Robertson said they 'knew they were on to something' when the $4.5-million power-producing system at the sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few years. When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning two months ago, he spoke about creating a culture of excellence at City Hall, but he had a difficult time explaining how it would work. Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility workers recently won an award for coming up with innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per year on energy costs. His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste water treatment, created a system to turn methane gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the city's sewage treatment plant. Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in Canada to burn the gas effectively through three 16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half the power the plant uses. The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost $4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself by 2002. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for, Mr. O'Brien said. Exactly what I'm talking about. The true strength of an organization is not in the executive office or administration. It's with its operational people. These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more of them. That's the kind of culture I want to develop. They should get an award from the city, too. Last week, the city's utility department got the top prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15 cities in the province. Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street pumping station using a natural drop in elevation. The power is used in pumps that send drinking water across a large portion of the city. Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the award. He said other municipalities are doing similar things on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to the issue. It's unique, he said. They've really taken a serious approach to managing electricity, and they have been innovative enough to make things work quite well. The detailed information on, and management of, energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is staggering. At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how much it's producing, and how much it is taking from the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even possible to tell if a major component is pulling more or less power than it should. Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his, but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to design the system. The methane is produced by bacteria in airless digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The gas is captured and sent to a building housing the engines, which roar around the clock and each produce enough electricity in an hour to power an average house for a month. The electricity is then put on the plant's internal grid. Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler heating system. Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system water is then passed through the engines' searing exhaust system to be heated up further. Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well that several other municipalities have sent people to check it out. It's been done before, but never as successfully as we have, Mr. Robertson said. It feels nice to get the award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew we were on to something. If the two energy creating projects didn't exist, property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to buy more power, and this is something that is not lost on Ottawa's new mayor. I think these guys are municipal heroes, Mr. O'Brien said. -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22
A properly designed composting toilet doesn't require any power at all ;P And you can collect biogas from it, and the end product is kickass for gardens. --- Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles) Kirk Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien praises workers' ingenuity: City plants save millions in energy costs Byline: Jake Rupert Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / Methane gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned off, is running engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity yearly.; Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave McCartney and Dave Robertson said they 'knew they were on to something' when the $4.5-million power-producing system at the sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few years. When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning two months ago, he spoke about creating a culture of excellence at City Hall, but he had a difficult time explaining how it would work. Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility workers recently won an award for coming up with innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per year on energy costs. His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste water treatment, created a system to turn methane gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the city's sewage treatment plant. Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in Canada to burn the gas effectively through three 16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half the power the plant uses. The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost $4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself by 2002. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for, Mr. O'Brien said. Exactly what I'm talking about. The true strength of an organization is not in the executive office or administration. It's with its operational people. These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more of them. That's the kind of culture I want to develop. They should get an award from the city, too. Last week, the city's utility department got the top prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15 cities in the province. Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street pumping station using a natural drop in elevation. The power is used in pumps that send drinking water across a large portion of the city. Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the award. He said other municipalities are doing similar things on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to the issue. It's unique, he said. They've really taken a serious approach to managing electricity, and they have been innovative enough to make things work quite well. The detailed information on, and management of, energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is staggering. At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how much it's producing, and how much it is taking from the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even possible to tell if a major component is pulling more or less power than it should. Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his, but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to design the system. The methane is produced by bacteria in airless digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The gas is captured and sent to a building housing the engines, which roar around the clock and each produce enough electricity in an hour to power an average house for a month. The electricity is then put on the plant's internal grid. Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler heating system. Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system water is then passed through the engines' searing exhaust system to be heated up further. Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well that several other municipalities have sent people to check it out. It's been done before, but never as successfully as we have, Mr. Robertson said. It feels nice to get the award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew we were on to something. If the two energy creating projects didn't exist, property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to buy more power, and this is something that is not lost on Ottawa's new mayor. I think these guys are municipal heroes, Mr. O'Brien said.
Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22
Well, I guess we Canucks are just slow but not totally stupid. winkwink John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:04 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22 The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles) Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Guerrilla biofuels - Fwd: Belgium, the french fried banana republic
From: [address removed] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Belgium, the french fried banana republic Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 hallo, i' ve spent the last few days reading practically all the biodiesel content of your amazing site. Many, many thanks... Where can one start? I'll have to write things down in a schoolbook sort of way, because my English has become a bit rusty. As you might know, Belgium is a French fry eating country; we produce vast amounts of WVO, which is still considered as hazardous waste product by our authorities. This has a reason. A couple of years ago there was a big national health scandal: A malafide company who collects WVO and animal grease, used these products for the fabrication of live stock food (fudder?). Due to criminal negligence, there had been a contamination of WVO with PCB's (polychloorbifenyl, highly toxic stuff that's being used in electric transformators). This poisin got into the food chain, so many tons of various food and animals had to be destroyed. It caused a national panic, not in the least in political matters. To avoid similar contaminations in the future, strict regulations were set for the collection and treatment of WVO. Practically, this means you can't just buy a couple of barrels of WVO from your local Friterie, if you want to start homebrewing biodiesel. Only a few big compies have a permit to collect WVO from restaurants etc., and they're obliged to destroy the WVO. One company in my town would like to start to produce biodiesel, but the government will not give permission. As you can guess, the production of any kind of fuel is strictly regulated, and making your own biodieselfuel without permission is considered illegal; the punishment for breaking the law is considerable. A while ago, the Belgian media entousiastically spread the news that Belgian companies will soon start with the production of biodiesel: only a few candidates were granted a permit to produce biodiesel, and guess what... They were all related with or funded with money of BIG OIL and BIG CHEMICAL like TOTAL and BASF. It would take me too far to explain how the rules were written to favor BIG CAPITAL, and to exclude small cooperatives. The vast amounts of biodiesel that they intend to produce, will not be sold as pure biodiesel, but will be mixed with fossil fuel. Cynical, isn't it? For the individual, it is illegal to convert your own WVO (if you can get a sufficiant amount, ILLEGALLY) into biodiesel, and there are no gas stations where you can buy pure biodiesel. It is however LEGAL, to drive a converted vehicle with PPO, but you have to pay the same amount of taxes on this fuel, as you do on fossil fuel. As mentioned on your site, companies like Elsbett do their misleading tricks, and it works. The public transport companies let them install costly kits on coaches and garbage trucks. These so called green projects produced by green politics appear to be very naieve, or worse. On top of that, it is also forbidden to produce your own PPO, unless you can get a permit, and produce at least 500.000 liters per year: BIG AGRICULTURE says thank you to the fools who made that one up! Even engineering university students tend to consider the biodiesel production as a strictly large scale industrial process. They are simply denying the importance of a smallscale decentralized energyproduction, which is assumed only to be suitable for third world countries. In many ways, i think Belgium has become a sort of third world country, when you see how it is being run by BIG CAPITALISM and BIG CONSUMING. The uninformed public opinion doesn't give a , because the media apparently decide to treat the biodiesel (and other renewable energy) issues in a very trivial or entertaining way, reporting about for instance those Norwegian jokers who will produce biodiesel with fat liposucked out of overweight Americans... Thank God i found your website! I'm well informed now, thaks to you. Anyway, my point is, that i've considered to do my small scale biodiesel thing as legal as possible, but practically, this is impossible due to absurd and unfair laws and regulations. I have little hope that these rules, typical for my country, will change in a short term. In the best national tradition of civil desobediance, i will simply ignore these injust laws, and start with moonshine biodiesel production, as soon as possible. I owe you people big time, so if you ever consider to visit my country, and the wonderful medieval town of BRUGES (where i live), i would like to introduce you into our amazing food beer traditions. Good luck and Best regards, [name removed] Fwd from Gasification list: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 1:23:2 +0100 From: Philippe Raufast [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gasification] Limonene fuel On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 2:17:21 +0100, Philippe wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here in France,
Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22
Frustrating that proven innovation is so slow to be accepted. John Fry expressed his frustration to me regarding the Santa Barbara sewage plant and their purchase of natural gas to heat with and their discarding of the bio gas. Makes me wonder sometimes if there is much hope. Kirk John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess we Canucks are just slow but not totally stupid. winkwink John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:04 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22 The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles) Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus
Witness composting toilets... are they not doing the same thing you are, albeit in a different manner?? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus Can anyone help Tom? He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here. Thanks! All best Keith From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: humanure to humus Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for many decades. Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything. How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our handling of the environment than there septic approach? I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved away by them at my cost. This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil. Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
