Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?
Mike Weaver wrote: MW The Flying Spaghetti Monster is not pleased. Well said, sir. Pastafarianism is the only Truth. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist
Let's see. If it cost each American one dollar per year that'd be 300,000,000 dollars annually. I think your math is a little off. Peace, D. Mindock Not trying to be too much of a smartass, but 300 million Americans, 187 million annually =623 thousand per an American annually That's a little off somewhere. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:34 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist By Shane Ellison, M.Sc. Copyright 2006C _www.healthmyths.net http://www.healthmyths.net/ http://www.healthmyths.net/ _ NewsWithViews.com 1-11-7 If there were a contest for the best example of total disregard for human life, the victor would be McNeil Nutritionals---makers of Splenda^(TM). Manufacturers of Vioxx^(TM) and Lipitor^(TM) would tie for a very distant second. McNeil Nutritionals is the undisputed drug-pushing champion for disguising their drug Splenda as a sweetener. Regardless of its drug qualities and potential for side effects, McNeil is dead set on putting it on every kitchen table in America. Apparently, Vioxx and Lipitor makers can't stoop so low as to deceptively masquerade their drug as a candy of sort. There is no question that their products are drugs and by definition come with negative side effects. Rather than sell directly to the consumer, these losers have to go through the painful process of using doctors to prescribe their dangerous goods. A keen student in corporate drug dealing, McNeil learned from aspartame and saccharine pushers that if a drug tastes sweet, then let the masses eat it in their cake. First though, you have to create a facade of natural health. They did this using a cute trade name that kind of sounds like splendid and packaged it in pretty colors. Hypnotized, the masses were duped instantly. As unquestionably as a dog humps your leg, millions of diabetics (and non-diabetics) blindly eat sucralose under the trade name Splenda in place of real sugar (sucrose). Splenda was strategically released on April fool's day in 1998. This day is reserved worldwide for hoaxes and practical jokes on friends and family, the aim of which is to embarrass the gullible. McNeil certainly succeeded. The splendid Splenda hoax is costing gullible Americans $187 million annually*^1 *. While many people wonder about the safety of Splenda, they rarely question it. Despite its many unknowns and inherent dangers, Splenda demand has grown faster than its supply. No longer do I have to question my faith in fellow Man. He is not a total idiot, just a gullible one. McNeil jokesters are laughing all the way to the bank. Splenda is not as harmless as McNeil wants you to believe. A mixture of sucralose, maltodextrine, and dextrose (a detrimental simple sugar), each of the not-so-splendid Splenda ingredients has downfalls. Aside from the fact that it really isn't sugar and calorie free, here is one big reason to avoid the deceitful mix . . . think April fool's day: Splenda contains a potential poison---the drug sucralose. This chemical is 600 times sweeter than sugar. To make sucralose, chlorine is used. Chlorine has a split personality. It can be harmless or it can be life threatening. In combo with sodium, chlorine forms a harmless ionic bond to yield table salt. Sucralose makers often highlight this worthless fact to defend its safety. Apparently, they missed the second day of Chemistry 101---the day they teach covalent bonds. When used with carbon, the chlorine atom in sucralose forms a covalent bond. The end result is the historically deadly organochlorine or simply: a Really-Nasty Form of Chlorine (RNFOC). Unlike ionic bonds, covalently bound chlorines are a big no-no for the human body. They yield insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides---not something you want in the lunch box of your precious child. It's therefore no surprise that the originators of sucralose, chemists Hough and Phadnis, were attempting to design new insecticides when they discovered it! It wasn't until the young Phadnis accidentally tasted his new insecticide that he learned it was sweet. And because sugars are more profitable than insecticides, the whole insecticide idea got canned and a new sweetener called Splenda got packaged. To hide its origin, Splenda pushers assert that sucralose is made from sugar so it tastes like sugar. Sucralose is as close to sugar as Windex^(TM) is to ocean water. The RNFOC poses a real and present danger to all Splenda users. It is risky because the RNFOC confers a molecule with a set of super powers that wreak havoc on the human body. For example, Agent Orange, used in the U.S. Army's herbicidal warfare program, is a RNFOC. Exposure can lead to Hodgkin's lymphoma and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, as well as
Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?
Hallo Robert, Saturday, 13 January, 2007, 16:36:24, you wrote: ...snip rabr This was big news on the radio up here this weekend. Condoms don't belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He's not a schoolteacher, said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who also said that he believes the Earth is 14,000 years old. The information that's being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is. ... The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn't in the DVD. rabr Sigh . . . rabr Jesus, please save me from your followers!!! ...snip... Just to be fair and clear here Robert, these type of people are not following Jesus but rather they are following what His disciples and apostles believed about Him. What He taught and what they taught are often at odds with each other. You won't find any nonsense in the red words to speak of. Paul is particularly notorious often saying in effect, Jesus said ... but I, Paul say ... and then goes on to twist what Jesus said. When I came back from the Nam I was pissed at God and Jesus for a long while until I finally came to the realization that the ones who had been causing me the grief were those who created a religion about Jesus and not Jesus and His teachings which are kind, reasonable, loving, all-inclusive and generous. It is the words printed in black ink that lead to all the trouble. The red words set you free and the black words bind you. Aha, lest I be guilty of forgetting that we are a multi-national list: my reference to the red and black words in the scriptures (Christian bible) needs to be explained. The words printed in red are supposed to be the actual words Jesus spoke and the words in black are supposed to be the words of everyone else. Thomas Jefferson investigated the scriptures from an interesting angle. A short synopsis can be found at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/jefferson.html Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Doctor alleges plans underway to Microchip Newborns
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01290.html Doctor alleges plans underway to Microchip Newborns in U.S. and Europe Compiled by Lucien Desjardins Regarding plans to microchip newborns, Dr. Kilde said the U.S. has been moving in this direction in secrecy. She added that in Sweden, Prime Minister Olof Palme gave permission in 1973 to implant prisoners, and Data Inspection's ex-Director General Jan Freese revealed that nursing-home patients were implanted in the mid-1980s. The technology is revealed in the 1972:47 Swedish state report, Statens Officiella Utradninger. Are you prepared to live in a world in which every newborn baby is micro-chipped? And finally are you ready to have your every move tracked, recorded and placed in Big Brother's data bank? According to the Finnish article, distributed to doctors and medical students, time is running out for changing the direction of military medicine and mind control technology, ensuring the future of human freedom. Implanted human beings can be followed anywhere. Their brain functions can be remotely monitored by supercomputers and even altered through the changing of frequencies, wrote Dr. Kilde. Guinea pigs in secret experiments have included prisoners, soldiers, mental patients,handicapped children, deaf and blind people, homosexuals, single women, the elderly, school children, and any group of people considered marginal by the elite experimenters. The published experiences of prisoners in Utah State Prison, for example, are shocking to the conscience. Today's microchips operate by means of low-frequency radio waves that target them. With the help of satellites, the implanted person can be tracked anywhere on the globe. Such a technique was among a number tested in the Iraq war, according to Dr. Carl Sanders, who invented the intelligence-manned interface (IMI) biotic, which is injected into people. (Earlier during the Vietnam War, soldiers were injected with the Rambo chip, designed to increase adrenaline flow into the bloodstream.) The 20-billion-bit/second supercomputers at the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) could now see and hear what soldiers experience in the battlefield with a remote monitoring system (RMS). When a 5-micromillimeter microchip (the diameter of a strand of hair is 50 micromillimeters) is placed into optical nerve of the eye,, Dr. Kilde indicates it draws neuro-impulses from the brain that embody the experiences, smells, sights, and voice of the implanted person. Once transferred and stored in a computer, these neuro-impulses can be projected back to the person's brain via the microchip to be re-experienced. Using a RMS, a land-based computer operator can send electromagnetic messages (encoded as signals) to the nervous system, affecting the target's performance. With RMS, healthy persons can be induced to see hallucinations and to hear voices in their heads. Every thought, reaction, hearing, and visual observation causes a certain neurological potential, spikes, and patterns in the brain and its electromagnetic fields, which can now be decoded into thoughts, pictures, and voices, Dr. Kilde adds. Electromagnetic stimulation can therefore change a person's brainwaves and affect muscular activity, causing painful muscular cramps experienced as torture. Make comments about this article in The Canadian Blog. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
Raw milk, but it's illegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?
Thank God! Finally, a ray of sunlight. David Kramer wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: MW The Flying Spaghetti Monster is not pleased. Well said, sir. Pastafarianism is the only Truth. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
Nothing is illegal until (unless) you get caught... - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk? Raw milk, but it's illegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
Quoting A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nothing is illegal until (unless) you get caught... and convicted. Ah yes, words for major multi-national corporations and politicians to live by. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk? Raw milk, but it's illegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff
Mike, A transparent settling tank would be a thing of beauty. Imagine subtle illumination from the back turn it into a BD lava lamp I think I would test it before filling it. I have no experience with BD and lucite, but if there is material incompatibility it may take the nasty form of the BD acting as a solvent. That would be bad. I have had BD cause gaskets to enlarge and turn loppy leaks. I have also had BD dissolve rubber (neck of gas filler on my car ... very messy). IF the lucite dissolved it might be very bad for your fuel. Is the lucite tank one piece or is it circular w a bottom sealed to it? As for an aluminum processor .. You wrote: However, BD is fine in aluminum tanks. From Joe Street (Oct 6, 2006) While looking for info on IR spectra, I found this excellent paper; http://nationalbiodieselboard.com/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19970612_gen-234.pdf#search=%22biodiesel%20methyl%20ester%20wavenumber%22 Which talks about issues surrounding fuel contamination and deposits. An earlier thread had comments from Tom Kelly regarding copper ions causing polymerization. According to this paper other metals such as aluminum and iron can catalyze polymerization when biodiesel is stored. While BD may not cause any apparent damage to aluminum tanks, the aluminum may be damaging to the fuel. I believe that harsh alkaline conditions in a processor will release aluminum into your fuel and also corrode the tank. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff I have managed to score a 50 - 60 gallon aluminum tank with fittings - perfect for a processor. I also have a 67 gallon (looks like lucite) circular fish tank. I know MOX does not like aluminum, and have heard BD does not like Lucite or Lexan or whatever this. However, BD is fine in aluminum tanks. I am wondering if I can use the aluminum tank as a processor, being careful when introducing the MOX - I've made BD in HDPE2 containers plenty (even the stray plastic bottle way early on). So, any thoughts on the aluminum as processor and the fishtank as a wash or settling tank? -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist
Maybe there are, maybe there aren't hidden death-agents in the Artificial stuff; all I know is they have all shown to leave a nasty aftertaste that requires consuming incredibly strong-tasting foods to get rid of. Yeah -- if it tastes bad, why eat it? I guess it's lucky I like the taste of vegetables. I grew up drinking water - which puts me in a odd situation whenever I visit someone. They always offer you six varieties of soda, and then look at you strange if you only want water. Water is sort of considered the lowest quality drink I guess, sort of like if you went to a restuarant and asked for the food that they were scraping off the plates and throwing in the dumpster. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
not if you buy it as cat food... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk? Raw milk, but it's illegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff
If the inside were truly aluminum, but it is not - it is compound of aluminum coating the structure of aluminum, that is Very stable. There is one, for sure,mbey more, element(s) that can wipe this away, it is mercury. The oxide layer is good as plastic until it meets mercury. I know testimonials are not worth the salt, but I know of one test of biodiesel being placed in this very envionment, heated, stored for over a year and never showing signs of polymerization or any thing else. The owner also has made and used the fuel from an aluminum processor for over two years without any signs of ill effect. So for what it is worth, thats what I know. I have evolved from the idea of the tank processor to a completly new design that is cheaper, safer, and faster so I really don't care for the tank style due to the inferior mixing that CAN take place. I wish you the very best of luck however in your ventures. Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:19:19 -0500 Mike, A transparent settling tank would be a thing of beauty. Imagine subtle illumination from the back turn it into a BD lava lamp I think I would test it before filling it. I have no experience with BD and lucite, but if there is material incompatibility it may take the nasty form of the BD acting as a solvent. That would be bad. I have had BD cause gaskets to enlarge and turn loppy leaks. I have also had BD dissolve rubber (neck of gas filler on my car ... very messy). IF the lucite dissolved it might be very bad for your fuel. Is the lucite tank one piece or is it circular w a bottom sealed to it? As for an aluminum processor .. You wrote: However, BD is fine in aluminum tanks. From Joe Street (Oct 6, 2006) While looking for info on IR spectra, I found this excellent paper; http://nationalbiodieselboard.com/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19970612_gen-234.pdf#search=%22biodiesel%20methyl%20ester%20wavenumber%22 Which talks about issues surrounding fuel contamination and deposits. An earlier thread had comments from Tom Kelly regarding copper ions causing polymerization. According to this paper other metals such as aluminum and iron can catalyze polymerization when biodiesel is stored. While BD may not cause any apparent damage to aluminum tanks, the aluminum may be damaging to the fuel. I believe that harsh alkaline conditions in a processor will release aluminum into your fuel and also corrode the tank. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff I have managed to score a 50 - 60 gallon aluminum tank with fittings - perfect for a processor. I also have a 67 gallon (looks like lucite) circular fish tank. I know MOX does not like aluminum, and have heard BD does not like Lucite or Lexan or whatever this. However, BD is fine in aluminum tanks. I am wondering if I can use the aluminum tank as a processor, being careful when introducing the MOX - I've made BD in HDPE2 containers plenty (even the stray plastic bottle way early on). So, any thoughts on the aluminum as processor and the fishtank as a wash or settling tank? -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Doctor alleges plans underway to Microchip Newborns
Most of this is pure rubbish. I work in the wireless industry and this technology isn't even possible today. I can't get my wifi to reach more than a few kms without a serious external antenna, let alone a tiny implanted chip to be picked up by a satellite! An RFID tag, which can be about the size of a poker chip must be within about 10cm of the reader in order to be read. If they would be powerful enough to be picked up by satellite, you would need to be carrying around a couple of deep cycle batteries on your hips for power for one thing and you would need to place a satellite dish on your head. An amusing thought but not very practical for inconspicuous tracking and mind control. Dr Kilde is actually Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, known as a bit of a nutter and controversial since 1986 when an accident forced her from continuing in her job as provincial medical officer in Finnish Lapland. She claims to have been saved from dying 3 times by aliens and has been adbucted and examined by extraterrestials. Steve Re Dr Kilde see: http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_ufoexperiences_archive.html If you search a little further, 'Dr.' Carl Sanders has also been exposed as a fraud: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/sanders011023.htm FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CORRECTION: Implantable Chip Inventor Carl Sanders is a Fraud Charlatan exposed seven years ago still popular in Christian circles. Sterling D. Allan Copyright © 2001 Greater Things Ministry October 23, 2001 Dr (not) Carl W. Sanders has been a sensation among prophecy-minded Christians for nearly a decade. He has wowed many thousands, if not millions, with his claim to be the inventor of the microchip intended for implantation in humans for tracking capabilities, which Frankenstein invention he now purportedly is exposing following his born again conversion to Christianity. He has appeared in television interviews, radio shows and prophecy conferences. Video and audio tapes of his presentation thrive. I was one who believed the account and posted it on my website. http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/Carl_Sanders.htm So have scores of others, as a search for Carl Sanders chip will show on any search engine. e.g. http://www.google.com/search?q=carl+sanders+chip The unfortunate truth, however, is that Sanders is a fraud. His claims about his credentials and his involvement in inventing this chip are fabrications. This came to light in 1994 when John S. Torell, a close associate and promoter of Sanders, began investigating his claims in an attempt to defend him against detractors. Torell uncovered the truth of Sander's fraud and confronted him with it. Sanders and his wife confessed, plead for forgiveness, vowed to confess his fraud to the church and take a reprieve from the ministry. http://www.eaec.org/carls1.htm His contrition in earnest lasted only a few hours, and within weeks he was back to his speaking circuit, perpetuating the same claims as before. According to Torell, Carl Sanders was not the inventor of the microchip as he had been claiming in his meetings. ...His claim that he had met with Henry Kissinger and other dignitaries were false. He does not have even a college degree, including the claimed honorary degree as Doctor from the University of Hong Kong. ...Carl Sanders does not have 32 years experience as an engineer. As these facts surfaced, and Torrell asked Sanders why he lied, Sanders explained that when he began his ministry, people just did not respond to his call for repentance; but when he started talking about end-times and the development of the chip, his audiences grew; . . . and so did his story with each telling. He felt the message was so important that he needed to invent credentials in order to have more credibility with people. He not only fabricated credentials, but also lied about the degree of his involvement in the invention of the implantable microchip. In the end, about the only truth left in his story was in regard to the fact that there is such a microchip. Everything else was a lie or an unscrupulous stretch of the truth. His lying began long before his ministry among the Christians. He admitted to Torell that when he was in the military, since he did not get the ranks and promotions that he felt were due him, he began to invent his own to enable him to be more successful. Once he had left the Air Force, he was constantly lying about his credentials in order to get better paying jobs. His dishonesty rewarded him in his career, and it rewarded him in his ministry. Today, more than seven years after Torell exposed him, Sanders continues to give his presentations and wow prophecy-minded audiences worldwide. Last year he was in Orem Utah, telling the same story. I wasn't there, but I was invited, and I spoke with an individual shortly after who did attend, and who
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff
For what it's worth, methanol will strip aluminum oxide right off a surface. Methoxide does so even more quickly, under steady exposure. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff
Hey James, I have evolved from the idea of the tank processor to a completly new design that is cheaper, safer, and faster so I really don't care for the tank style due to the inferior mixing that CAN take place. What is it? On 1/14/07, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, methanol will strip aluminum oxide right off a surface. Methoxide does so even more quickly, under steady exposure. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff
Hi Jim, Please don't take this as a cross-examination. I have no experience w. aluminum tanks. My questions are based purely on curiosity. Are aluminum tanks lined with something to give them chemical resistance? My methanol tanks are lined with something. Many water heater tanks are glass-lined. If the resistance is due simply to an aluminum oxide coating formed by exposure to oxygen, shouldn't all aluminum parts be resistant to alkaline conditions? I've read that aluminum engine parts don't like unwashed BD because of the high pH. I've been told that pitted aluminum swimming pool ladders are a sign of pH imbalance in the water. I'm concerned that if someone used soy oil (high Iodine rating), then bubble-washes (oxidation), and also had a catalyst present they could end up with the heartbreak of polymerized fuel. You wrote: I have evolved from the idea of the tank processor to a completly new design that is cheaper, safer, and faster so I really don't care for the tank style due to the inferior mixing that CAN take place. I'm very curious. Are you gonna fill us in on the design Best to you, Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff If the inside were truly aluminum, but it is not - it is compound of aluminum coating the structure of aluminum, that is Very stable. There is one, for sure,mbey more, element(s) that can wipe this away, it is mercury. The oxide layer is good as plastic until it meets mercury. I know testimonials are not worth the salt, but I know of one test of biodiesel being placed in this very envionment, heated, stored for over a year and never showing signs of polymerization or any thing else. The owner also has made and used the fuel from an aluminum processor for over two years without any signs of ill effect. So for what it is worth, thats what I know. I have evolved from the idea of the tank processor to a completly new design that is cheaper, safer, and faster so I really don't care for the tank style due to the inferior mixing that CAN take place. I wish you the very best of luck however in your ventures. Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:19:19 -0500 Mike, A transparent settling tank would be a thing of beauty. Imagine subtle illumination from the back turn it into a BD lava lamp I think I would test it before filling it. I have no experience with BD and lucite, but if there is material incompatibility it may take the nasty form of the BD acting as a solvent. That would be bad. I have had BD cause gaskets to enlarge and turn loppy leaks. I have also had BD dissolve rubber (neck of gas filler on my car ... very messy). IF the lucite dissolved it might be very bad for your fuel. Is the lucite tank one piece or is it circular w a bottom sealed to it? As for an aluminum processor .. You wrote: However, BD is fine in aluminum tanks. From Joe Street (Oct 6, 2006) While looking for info on IR spectra, I found this excellent paper; http://nationalbiodieselboard.com/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19970612_gen-234.pdf#search=%22biodiesel%20methyl%20ester%20wavenumber%22 Which talks about issues surrounding fuel contamination and deposits. An earlier thread had comments from Tom Kelly regarding copper ions causing polymerization. According to this paper other metals such as aluminum and iron can catalyze polymerization when biodiesel is stored. While BD may not cause any apparent damage to aluminum tanks, the aluminum may be damaging to the fuel. I believe that harsh alkaline conditions in a processor will release aluminum into your fuel and also corrode the tank. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to the topic...New BD stuff I have managed to score a 50 - 60 gallon aluminum tank with fittings - perfect for a processor. I also have a 67 gallon (looks like lucite) circular fish tank. I know MOX does not like aluminum, and have heard BD does not like Lucite or Lexan or whatever this. However, BD is fine in aluminum tanks. I am wondering if I can use the aluminum tank as a processor, being careful when introducing the MOX - I've made BD in HDPE2 containers plenty (even the stray plastic bottle way early on). So, any thoughts on the aluminum as processor and the fishtank as a wash or settling tank? -Weaver
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
Not if you have your own cows and milk them for personal use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:44 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk? Raw milk, but it's illegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
Well Doug, I prefer the taste of our home grown variety. But likely like anything else, it's the taste one becomes acustomed to. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:37 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk? Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist
Yeah, I guess my mind was not working I see that now. Thanks Loagn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:05 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist Let's see. If it cost each American one dollar per year that'd be 300,000,000 dollars annually. I think your math is a little off. Peace, D. Mindock Not trying to be too much of a smartass, but 300 million Americans, 187 million annually =623 thousand per an American annually That's a little off somewhere. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:34 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist By Shane Ellison, M.Sc. Copyright 2006C _www.healthmyths.net http://www.healthmyths.net/ http://www.healthmyths.net/ _ NewsWithViews.com 1-11-7 If there were a contest for the best example of total disregard for human life, the victor would be McNeil Nutritionals---makers of Splenda^(TM). Manufacturers of Vioxx^(TM) and Lipitor^(TM) would tie for a very distant second. McNeil Nutritionals is the undisputed drug-pushing champion for disguising their drug Splenda as a sweetener. Regardless of its drug qualities and potential for side effects, McNeil is dead set on putting it on every kitchen table in America. Apparently, Vioxx and Lipitor makers can't stoop so low as to deceptively masquerade their drug as a candy of sort. There is no question that their products are drugs and by definition come with negative side effects. Rather than sell directly to the consumer, these losers have to go through the painful process of using doctors to prescribe their dangerous goods. A keen student in corporate drug dealing, McNeil learned from aspartame and saccharine pushers that if a drug tastes sweet, then let the masses eat it in their cake. First though, you have to create a facade of natural health. They did this using a cute trade name that kind of sounds like splendid and packaged it in pretty colors. Hypnotized, the masses were duped instantly. As unquestionably as a dog humps your leg, millions of diabetics (and non-diabetics) blindly eat sucralose under the trade name Splenda in place of real sugar (sucrose). Splenda was strategically released on April fool's day in 1998. This day is reserved worldwide for hoaxes and practical jokes on friends and family, the aim of which is to embarrass the gullible. McNeil certainly succeeded. The splendid Splenda hoax is costing gullible Americans $187 million annually*^1 *. While many people wonder about the safety of Splenda, they rarely question it. Despite its many unknowns and inherent dangers, Splenda demand has grown faster than its supply. No longer do I have to question my faith in fellow Man. He is not a total idiot, just a gullible one. McNeil jokesters are laughing all the way to the bank. Splenda is not as harmless as McNeil wants you to believe. A mixture of sucralose, maltodextrine, and dextrose (a detrimental simple sugar), each of the not-so-splendid Splenda ingredients has downfalls. Aside from the fact that it really isn't sugar and calorie free, here is one big reason to avoid the deceitful mix . . . think April fool's day: Splenda contains a potential poison---the drug sucralose. This chemical is 600 times sweeter than sugar. To make sucralose, chlorine is used. Chlorine has a split personality. It can be harmless or it can be life threatening. In combo with sodium, chlorine forms a harmless ionic bond to yield table salt. Sucralose makers often highlight this worthless fact to defend its safety. Apparently, they missed the second day of Chemistry 101---the day they teach covalent bonds. When used with carbon, the chlorine atom in sucralose forms a covalent bond. The end result is the historically deadly organochlorine or simply: a Really-Nasty Form of Chlorine (RNFOC). Unlike ionic bonds, covalently bound chlorines are a big no-no for the human body. They yield insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides---not something you want in the lunch box of your precious child. It's therefore no surprise that the originators of sucralose, chemists Hough and Phadnis, were attempting to design new insecticides when they discovered it! It wasn't until the young Phadnis accidentally tasted his new insecticide that he learned it was sweet. And because sugars are more profitable than insecticides, the whole insecticide idea got canned and a new sweetener called Splenda got packaged. To hide its origin, Splenda pushers assert that sucralose is made from sugar so it tastes like sugar. Sucralose is as close to sugar as Windex^(TM) is to ocean water. The RNFOC poses a real and present danger to
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist
Hi Kurt, Table sugar is artificial; it takes 3 feet of the natural sugar cane plant to produce only 1/2 teaspoon of processed sugar. That's how much refining goes on. If you were to eat a natural sugar cane branch you would be full just eating about 6 inches of it because of all the fiber. we strip all that good fiber away. Our bodies do not digest processed sugar well. There is one sweetener that is safe, however, and that is stevia which is actually a herb/ Terry Dyck From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:10:22 -0500 I personally don't like any of the Artificial sweeteners out there. If you want something sweet, you put sugar in it. If normal table sugar doesn't dissolve well, you go to finely ground confectioner's sugar. This goes for coffee, tea, cookies, cakes, candy; anything that needs sweetening gets real sugar put in it. Maybe there are, maybe there aren't hidden death-agents in the Artificial stuff; all I know is they have all shown to leave a nasty aftertaste that requires consuming incredibly strong-tasting foods to get rid of. I do, however, still drink sodas; everyone needs a vice, after all. I just don't drink any of the diet or low calorie sodas, as they tend to run heavy on the artificials and I'm active enough to burn off calories from the real thing. -Kurt Logan Vilas wrote: Not trying to be too much of a smartass, but 300 million Americans, 187 million annually =623 thousand per an American annually That's a little off somewhere. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:34 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist By Shane Ellison, M.Sc. Copyright 2006C _www.healthmyths.net http://www.healthmyths.net/ http://www.healthmyths.net/ _ NewsWithViews.com 1-11-7 If there were a contest for the best example of total disregard for human life, the victor would be McNeil Nutritionals---makers of Splenda^(TM). Manufacturers of Vioxx^(TM) and Lipitor^(TM) would tie for a very distant second. McNeil Nutritionals is the undisputed drug-pushing champion for disguising their drug Splenda as a sweetener. Regardless of its drug qualities and potential for side effects, McNeil is dead set on putting it on every kitchen table in America. Apparently, Vioxx and Lipitor makers can't stoop so low as to deceptively masquerade their drug as a candy of sort. There is no question that their products are drugs and by definition come with negative side effects. Rather than sell directly to the consumer, these losers have to go through the painful process of using doctors to prescribe their dangerous goods. A keen student in corporate drug dealing, McNeil learned from aspartame and saccharine pushers that if a drug tastes sweet, then let the masses eat it in their cake. First though, you have to create a facade of natural health. They did this using a cute trade name that kind of sounds like splendid and packaged it in pretty colors. Hypnotized, the masses were duped instantly. As unquestionably as a dog humps your leg, millions of diabetics (and non-diabetics) blindly eat sucralose under the trade name Splenda in place of real sugar (sucrose). Splenda was strategically released on April fool's day in 1998. This day is reserved worldwide for hoaxes and practical jokes on friends and family, the aim of which is to embarrass the gullible. McNeil certainly succeeded. The splendid Splenda hoax is costing gullible Americans $187 million annually*^1 *. While many people wonder about the safety of Splenda, they rarely question it. Despite its many unknowns and inherent dangers, Splenda demand has grown faster than its supply. No longer do I have to question my faith in fellow Man. He is not a total idiot, just a gullible one. McNeil jokesters are laughing all the way to the bank. Splenda is not as harmless as McNeil wants you to believe. A mixture of sucralose, maltodextrine, and dextrose (a detrimental simple sugar), each of the not-so-splendid Splenda ingredients has downfalls. Aside from the fact that it really isn't sugar and calorie free, here is one big reason to avoid the deceitful mix . . . think April fool's day: Splenda contains a potential poison---the drug sucralose. This chemical is 600 times sweeter than sugar. To make sucralose, chlorine is used. Chlorine has a split personality. It can be harmless or it can be life threatening. In combo with sodium, chlorine forms a harmless ionic bond to yield table salt. Sucralose makers often highlight this worthless fact to defend its safety. Apparently,
