[Biofuel] BD from animal fat/tallow
I looked at the archive as much as I could with my slow connection and couldn't find the info I am looking for. I know that BD made from animal fat is solid at a higher temperature then BD made from veg. oil at least sunflower. I did a few 1 liter test batches of both sunflower oil bought from the shop and tallow home made from buffalo fat. I haven't measured yet the exact temperature at which Buffalo-BD turns liquid but at 15 oC it is solid. I wonder if any of you you have experience in animal fat BD and can share their experience. I guess I will need to mix it with diesel (I haven't tried yet). At what ratio diesel-BD (approximately as I guess it depends on the BD) it is liquid at say 12-15 oC? Anyone ? Thanks, Olivier ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Evaluation of global wind power
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I would rather see a few birds get hit by turbines than killed slowly by pollution, along with everything else around them. Well, Out here in West Virginia, USA, Wind turbine deployments are big stuff. More and more going up every day. Again, as has always been the case, this power generation isn't being used in the State of WV, but rather by neighboring states, once again, the impact is being felt by WV, not by neighboring states, once again, and again. I'd feel a whole lot better about it all, if someone could show me a stat, any stat that demonstrated that the wind power being generated has actually displaced the use of coal or other resource depletion. I don't think you will find it though. The only thing these wind turbines are doing, is increasing the generation in order to facilitate more consumption. Not to offset more damaging methods of generation. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biotech industry impunity fuels global GE contamination spread
Download: GM Contamination Register Report 2007 http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/eu-unit/press-centre/reports/gm-contamination-register-report-2007.pdf --- http://www.thecampaign.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1110 Biotech industry impunity fuels global GE contamination spread Most of the contamination involved such staple crops as rice and maize, but also included soy, cotton, canola, papaya and fish GREENPEACE.org 28/02/2008 AMSTERDAM, International - Biotech companies are acting with impunity as cases of genetic engineering (1) contamination continue on a global scale, a new report launched today reveals, GM Contamination Register Report 2007, by Greenpeace International and GeneWatch UK, details 39 new instances of crop contamination in 23 countries over the past year. Most of the contamination involved such staple crops as rice and maize, but also included soy, cotton, canola, papaya and fish. Since 2005, the GM Contamination Register has recorded 216 contamination events in 57 countries since GE crops were first grown commercially on a large scale in 1996. This year's annual report on the Register is released on the same day a GE scandal in Kenya is exposed as Kenyan environmental and farmers' organisations confront the government and United States seed giant Pioneer Hi-Bred with evidence of GE-contaminated maize seed in their country, and Greenpeace activists in the Netherlands protest shipments of illegal GE-rice varieties to Rotterdam. «The contamination documented in the report is just the tip of the iceberg. Genetic polluters must pay. If a company contaminates our food and our environment, it must pay for the clean-up, compensate farmers, traders and consumers. We need international liability standards under the Biosafety Protocol to hold biotech companies to account (2),» Greenpeace International agriculture campaigner Dr Doreen Stabinsky stressed. In Kenya, Greenpeace, in cooperation with local organisations, commissioned independent tests of maize seed varieties sold commercially. Pioneer's seed maize PHB 30V53 was found to contain MON 810, a GE variety which has no approval for planting in Kenya and is banned in several European countries (3). In the Netherlands, rice shipped from the US to Rotterdam (4) was found to be contaminated with GE varieties not permitted for consumption outside of the US. Greenpeace Netherlands' genetic engineering campaigner Marietta Harjono says Rotterdam harbour is one of the world's biggest «GE contamination hotspots», due to its role as first port of entry for much of the GE contaminated foodstuffs that enter Europe from the US. «Ongoing GE contamination in the world's major food crops, particularly in rice and maize, shows genetic engineering companies are failing to keep control of their artificial genes. Without decisive government action, the world's food and seed supplies will be under threat,» Stabinsky warned. - 1) Genetic engineering (GE) is also known as genetic modification (GM) or genetically modified organisms (GMO). 2) From 12-19 March, in Cartagena, Colombia, governments will continue to negotiate international rules on liability for damages caused by genetically engineered organisms. These negotiations take place under the Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety. Some developed countries such as the United States, Japan and New Zealand are opposing a global agreement on GE liability. The continuing threats to developing country agriculture posed by GE contamination, as evidenced by these latest contamination scandals, demonstrate the need for legally binding, global rules that ensure that polluters pay if anything goes wrong with GE. 3) Greenpeace, in cooperation with several environmental and farmers' organisations in Kenya, commissioned tests on 13 different seed varieties bought in seed stores across the country. The tests, conducted by an independent European laboratory, revealed Pioneer's seed maize PHB 30V53, sold in the Eldoret region of Kenya, is contaminated with MON 810 maize, a genetically engineered variant that is insect resistant. The contaminated seeds were produced by the South African branch of Pioneer. The GE seeds have no approval for planting in Kenya. All other varieties from both local and international seed companies were not contaminated. In February 2008, the French government decided to ban the cultivation of Monsanto's maize MON 810 due to environmental concerns. These include the impossibility to prevent the spread of GE maize, and the possibility of toxic effects on non-target organisms, such as earthworms. France, Austria, Greece, Hungary and Poland have banned the commercial growing of GE maize MON 810 on the basis of environmental and health concerns. 4) Dutch authorities found illegal rice varieties in two shipments. Bayer's rice variety LLRICE62 was found in a batch of
Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer
Hi Zeke, John, Hakan and all It's all sort of moot. If we don't run out of oil, or somehow price it out of our ability to use it at the current rate, then we'll kill ourselves with the byproducts of burning it for our own sake, we better hope that we DO run out. Quite right! In that sense Peak Oil hardly matters. At least human-caused climate change has the backing of the world science community these days, apart from the few who are bought and paid for by ExxonMobil and so on, and not only that, it's rather apparent. But how much scientific evidence is there really for the Peak Oil theory? From previous messages: US Department of State, Energy Resources of the World, p. 71 - all known petroleum reserves would be exhausted in 25 years. Date of publication - 1949. An article I wrote in 1980 counted I think six previous such revisions following an oil crisis. In March 2000 the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) assessment of the world's oil and gas reserves estimated there was about 20 percent more undiscovered oil than previously believed. The USGS World Petroleum Assessment 2000 estimated the volume of oil and gas, outside the U.S., that may be added to the world's reserves in the next 30 years. There is still an abundance of oil and gas in the world, said Thomas Ahlbrandt, USGS World Petroleum Assessment project chief. Since oil became a major energy source about 100 years ago, about 539 billion barrels of oil have been produced outside of the U.S. We now estimate the total amount of future technically recoverable oil, outside the U.S., to be about 2120 billion barrels. Others had estimated total reserves of about 900 billion barrels. Does anyone really know? Matt Simmons says they don't know, and that they tell lies. How would any of us find out for sure? We can't. So we're left to take it on faith - true believers vs sceptics, whether it's that there's more than enough or that we're running out. Meanwhile the price goes up. Engdahl says it will keep going up. He's probably right. But is it going up because of shrinking supplies, or increased costs of extraction as it hits the dregs, or just why is it going up? Is it for real reasons, or just more sinister machinations by Big Oil (with it's long history of ruthless, unscrupulous and downright criminal behaviour), aided and abetted by Cheney et al? It would be helpful to know that. If it's real there's not much to be done and a lot of people will get hurt, especially poor people (who'll get hurt anyway by the effects of climate change, but do they really have to get hurt twice?). If it's just malevolent market manipulation, whether for corporate or geopolitical ends or both, it can be exposed, and opposed, and perhaps some sane policies adopted instead. So maybe the case Engdahl and others make for abiotic oil origins and the Russian achievements is worth considering. Engdahl's report seems reasonable. He does like conspiracies, but he's not a conspiracy theorist. To explain the crucial difference, from a previous message: There's conspiracy and then there're conspiracy theories - conspiracism. What I've long noticed about conspiracism is how often those who espouse it in one or another of its forms are sufficiently distracted by it to be easy meat for real conspiracies that misinform and misdirect them, even becoming willing agents for the very forces they think they're opposing. Conspiracism muddies the waters, so much so that it's often quite hard not to conclude that conspiracism is itself a conspiracy. ... Successful PR and conspiracism have something in common. The PR that really counts isn't the mis- or dis-information itself so much as the more subtle work that makes people *want* to believe some things rather than others. It works on an emotional level, and so does conspiracism. Once you *want* to believe, the rest is easy, you can arrange facts to prove anything you like. Then we get such conviction as this: I know FOR A FACT that the World Trade Center was hit by laser beams from a secret US military space station... And of course it's the Masons, the Illuminati, International Zionism, Morgan, Dupont, Cecil John Rhodes, Jack the Ripper and Alfred E. Neumann who're behind it all, the evil cabal with its roots in the ancient past, it's all so clear once you know the hidden facts... And while you're wandering bemused and mesmerised through this hall of mirrors, right behind your back... Conspiracism is a parody of institutional analysis. Real analysis and investigation needs a clear mind, free of preconceptions, also much patience, thoroughness, hard work, and time. I think Engdahl knows how to do that. He generally provides a lot of citations and references for his work, but not this time, alas. And the evidence turns out to be in Russian, not immediately accessible. Hm. So what think you, and us all, is there anything in it or not? Z On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:03
Re: [Biofuel] Evaluation of global wind power
The only thing these wind turbines are doing, is increasing the generation in order to facilitate more consumption. Not to offset more damaging methods of generation. Unforutunately, that's the american way to constantly increase consumption, GDP, whatever, every year. To not have this constant growth is NOT seen as being sustainable, but as falling behind If the GDP grows by less than 3% a year, it's called a recession even though we're still growing.It's a bit of a disaster, sustainability speaking -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080303/9346c85a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer
Keith Addison wrote: -SNIP An entirely alternative theory of oil formation has existed since the early 1950's in Russia, almost unknown to the West. It claims conventional American biological origins theory is an unscientific absurdity that is un-provable. They point to the fact that western geologists have repeatedly predicted finite oil over the past century, only to then find more, lots more. This sounds a lot like Thomas Gold's abiogenic petroleum origin Well, okay, not Gold really, more like Mikhail Lomonosov from the 1700s. I don't think it's been rationally discounted. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Evaluation of global wind power
True, true, true...only way I can think to feel better about it is that the increase in power demand was going to happen (statusquo), but better that it was wind and not coal that is being used to meet that demand...after all...gotta start somewhere, eh? Maybe as petro prices keep climbing, you will see more of a shift to more sensible power sources?? Personally, I would rather see a few birds get hit by turbines than killed slowly by pollution, along with everything else around them. Well, Out here in West Virginia, USA, Wind turbine deployments are big stuff. More and more going up every day. Again, as has always been the case, this power generation isn't being used in the State of WV, but rather by neighboring states, once again, the impact is being felt by WV, not by neighboring states, once again, and again. I'd feel a whole lot better about it all, if someone could show me a stat, any stat that demonstrated that the wind power being generated has actually displaced the use of coal or other resource depletion. I don't think you will find it though. The only thing these wind turbines are doing, is increasing the generation in order to facilitate more consumption. Not to offset more damaging methods of generation. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New use for glycerine by-product
David Soriano of the University of Pittsburgh- Bradford sent me this interesting process he's developed for making a lubricant out of the by-product: A description of converting glycerol into a natural lubricant with the body and adhesiveness suitable for most purposes. The desired viscosity may be altered by varying the additive amounts. The glycerol (I have used our bio-glycerol from biodiesel production with no purification) is heated up to just boiling ( 25 grams) with 7 g. dextrin (carbohydrate obtained from potato or corn starch) and 3.6 g D-mannitol ( inexpensive and used in foods) . Stir and cool to yield a light brown lubricant which has excellent properties with respect to application to laboratory ground-glass joints found on round-bottom flasks, condensers, etc. After application, it appears colorless. The, what I call, 'green -grease' may very well find future use as a 'food-grade ' lubricant as well as other applications such as a bearing packing. It may also be a great material to apply to the glycerol-sawdust firelogs to ease initial firing of the fuel and may help to even burning over the life of the firelog. It may also be suitable for application to soil or for feeding animals. Some more information: I used the glycerol directly from a methyl ester transesterification run. I made no effort to remove any residual methanol . The flashpoint of the glycerol was determined however before making the grease. It was 88 deg. C (open cup method) +/- 2 deg. Pure glycerol is around 177 deg. C There may certainly be some methanol along with catalyst presence ( or the equiv. in terms of some ionized glycerol). Any comments, ideas for further uses? David S. Soriano Ph.D. Associate Professor of Chemistry University of Pittsburgh- Bradford Bradford, PA. school website: http://www.upb.pitt.edu ph: 814-362-7544 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] doubling the fuel economy of the Ford Escape
Hi Chris, Erik, Robert I'm glad you enjoyed On the Slow Train with a Skinful of Wine, thankyou! It was one of a series of weekly columns I wrote while I was working in Hong Kong, Write whatever you like, wow. I did it for more than a year and really enjoyed it. It worked well, had a good reception. Damn, just checking, I see Hunter Thompson died in 2005. :-( But I'm not as nuts as him (or maybe just not in the same way). I do like getting along with local folks though, ordinary people, and, well, life is a wry business, you have to laugh at yourself sometimes (often). Erik: Thankyou for your kind words, that's very encouraging. You're right that it's a group effort though, I also owe my thanks to it. (And it is my job, not was.) Sorry, I made a bad assumption, I guess. I looked at what you wrote, and nothing in there says that you no longer do that, but for some reason that's what I read... Not a bad assumption. I should explain. I said I'm an information pro. I'm a journalist, and it's all I ever do. I have a lot of newspaper experience, along with just about anything to do with publishing, but it goes further than that. It's the Fourth Estate role of the press that grabs me, so it's often sort of hands-on journalism, and I don't really care what medium I use, it doesn't have to be a newspaper, just as long as it works. You can get results in the real world that you could never achieve by publishing stuff in newspapers. So to me Journey to Forever is a journalism project - not just writing stuff, it includes the farming research project we've been doing here, Appropriate Technology development like biodiesel, the website, everything about the project, just journalism. Or so I think. I worked with black soccer teams in Johannesburg in the apartheid era, then with black music, later I did an on-farm RD project in a traditional Chinese farming village, and so on, all journalism to me. Now I work full-time for Journey to Forever, and I guess I'll keep going until I drop. Imsh'allah. Thanks again! All best Keith wow, keith, your piece brought back so many memories. they've just been tumbling in for two days now (i've got my own funny little guardia civil story). and i enjoyed your writing, too. vaguely reminiscent of thompson (or what i can remember of him). anyway, thanks for that. On 3/2/08, Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sister is traveling by rail across Spain right now. She spent the day in Cadiz and promised to visit Granada and take photos of the Alhambra Palace for me. I'll forward your delightful and amusing story to her! I spent a week in Grenada a few years back while my cousin was studying there. It is a beautiful area! I spent almost a whole day up at the Alhambra and have very good memories of it. I was fascinated by all the countless hours of work that went into it. The detail in the basement is crazy and it goes on seemingly forever. Is basement the right word? Almost like a crypt down there. If you need any extra photos let me know and I can scan some... :) Erik It's great! My favourite way to go. Maybe you'll like this (I didn't get to read a book though ...): On the Slow Train with a Skinful of Wine http://journeytoforever.org/keith/MMT/keith_train.html Thank you for that - very amusing. When I traveled by rail in Spain it wasn't nearly so entertaining. Although I did end up getting myself to the wrong place a time or two - but that was due to misunderstandings in France. I speak French and I was staying with some friends who are French, and we all talked to the conductor and verified that I was on the right car, but somehow I wasn't and ended up going south rather than north. (Or maybe the other way around??) But I didn't end up with anything as wonderful as your experience with the locals. That sounds like a wonderful memory! Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
I'm hoping this message is not too far off topic for this list, but I felt this would be the place to look for information from someone else who has been stumped with the same problem I'm facing here. I have a 1980 Mercedes 240D that won't run. It will turn over, but there seems to be no flow of fuel, in either the dinodiesel fuel lines, nor the WVO lines... As I've bought the Haynes manual, and read it, I'm getting that there is a fuel pump, which feeds the injector pump. A friend who drives a newer model tells me that the fuel pump relay is often bad, so I spent some time looking for it. (The Haynes manual is very stingy with information related to the diesels in the year range, no indication where to even start looking for the relay...) Possibly, (probably?) related... the car was at a mechanic's shop for an oil change, vacuum lines were disconnected, and incorrectly reconnected... This resulted in the engine not shutting off. This wasn't a problem the last time the car ran, as it did shut down properly... But now it won't start. It seems somewhat coincidental, but the fact that the fuel doesn't seem to be moving through the clear lines points to a problem with the supply fuel pump (lift pump?) and the manual isn't really clear where to start looking for it either... Does anyone on this list have experience with this model? specifically with the fuel supply system, pump relay location, vacuum line functions... I would be so very grateful for any information that will help me get my friend's car running again... Thanks in advance! doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New use for glycerine by-product
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Any comments, ideas for further uses? David S. Soriano Ph.D. Associate Professor of Chemistry University of Pittsburgh- Bradford Bradford, PA. school website: http://www.upb.pitt.edu ph: 814-362-7544 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This would be a low-temperature lubricant, hence the mention of ground glass joints in labware. I wonder if it would harden over time, tho there doesn't seem to be anything volatile (not even water). Maybe OK for room temperature mechanisms, doorknobs, etc. Definitely nothing constantly rotating :-) Interesting! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
Doug, Probably can't address your question specifically, but can probably provide some links where you can find an answer. First, I changed the glow plugs on my 83 300D, which required disconnecting the fuel lines, which, upon reconnecting required purching air from the lines. To do that had to replace the hand operated pump, which is the only way to remove the air. This could or could not be your problem. But you need to ask the right forum. Here are some links to do that: You wrote: I'm hoping this message is not too far off topic for this list, but I felt this would be the place to look for information from someone else who has been stumped with the same problem I'm facing here. I have a 1980 Mercedes 240D that won't run. It will turn over, but there seems to be no flow of fuel, in either the dinodiesel fuel lines, nor the WVO lines... As I've bought the Haynes manual, and read it, I'm getting that there is a fuel pump, which feeds the injector pump. A friend who drives a newer model tells me that the fuel pump relay is often bad, so I spent some time looking for it. (The Haynes manual is very stingy with information related to the diesels in the year range, no indication where to even start looking for the relay...) Possibly, (probably?) related... the car was at a mechanic's shop for an oil change, vacuum lines were disconnected, and incorrectly reconnected... This resulted in the engine not shutting off. This wasn't a problem the last time the car ran, as it did shut down properly... But now it won't start. It seems somewhat coincidental, but the fact that the fuel doesn't seem to be moving through the clear lines points to a problem with the supply fuel pump (lift pump?) and the manual isn't really clear where to start looking for it either... Does anyone on this list have experience with this model? specifically with the fuel supply system, pump relay location, vacuum line functions... I would be so very grateful for any information that will help me get my friend's car running again... Thanks in advance! doug swanson Mercedes discussion list: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Mercedes shop forum: _http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/index.php_ (http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/index.php) _http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/_ (http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/) is another good forum. The best, IMHO however, is the Mercedes Benz Club of America. You can use the forums for free: _http://mbca.cartama.net/_ (http://mbca.cartama.net/) mbz.org Some of these forums offer detailed instructions for various tasks, for instance, in changing the blow plugs, or brake jobs, air conditioning repair, etc. Glenn Ellis **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080303/0b2e87cc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
HI, am not too sure about the mercedes but most diesel have a ac pump. In my Mitsubishi pajero/montero it is where the diesel filter is mounted. find the pump. then push the top of the pump a few times and then start the car. if it does and subsequently dies off it confirms that the pump has gone to spare parts heaven. if it does not start what you do is pull of the outlet fuel hose from the vaccum pump and pump it manually. if there is no fuel flowing out it suggest the pump has really gone to the spare parts heaven in the sky. what I did with mine was after the two steps above i poured some diesel into the hose i had disconnected using a nozzle and started the car. since the car started it shows there was nothing wrong with the car's engine and fuel pump. To do this I had help to ensure the diesel won't spilled out. Mine happened while it was on the road. Engine died. Poor me. learnt if from my mechanic but my car is a basic model without complicated electronics and therefore easy to trouble shoot. Be careful if you try the above because diesel is at the same time slippery and flamable. Good luck I'm hoping this message is not too far off topic for this list, bu felt this would be the place to look for information from someone else who has been stumped with the same problem I'm facing here. I have a 1980 Mercedes 240D that won't run. It will turn over, but there seems to be no flow of fuel, in either the dinodiesel fuel lines, nor the WVO lines... As I've bought the Haynes manual, and read it, I'm getting that there is a fuel pump, which feeds the injector pump. A friend who drives a newer model tells me that the fuel pump relay is often bad, so I spent some time looking for it. (The Haynes manual is very stingy with information related to the diesels in the year range, no indication where to even start looking for the relay...) Possibly, (probably?) related... the car was at a mechanic's shop for an oil change, vacuum lines were disconnected, and incorrectly reconnected... This resulted in the engine not shutting off. This wasn't a problem the last time the car ran, as it did shut down properly... But now it won't start. It seems somewhat coincidental, but the fact that the fuel doesn't seem to be moving through the clear lines points to a problem with the supply fuel pump (lift pump?) and the manual isn't really clear where to start looking for it either... Does anyone on this list have experience with this model? specifically with the fuel supply system, pump relay location, vacuum line functions... I would be so very grateful for any information that will help me get my friend's car running again... Thanks in advance! doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080303/e1ede2bb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Johnathan Goodwin
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Re: [Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
Hi, Doug, ON the drivers side of the block about 2/3's of the way down near the back of the engine should be the primer pump. It's a plastic knerled knob about 1.5 inch in diameter. Maybe white or cream if engine not to dirty. Turn a couple of turns CCW to loosen and then pump in and out to prime fuel system (usually watch the small fuel filter to see when it's full) once the system is primed hold the pump in and turn CW to tighten. Start engine. Now that being said, be advised that the primer pump on many older models will leak like a sieve so you may have to replace it. With mine I just put a pan under it to catch the spillage and pump away. It does seem to prime the system even when leaking although it probably would do better if it didn't . Someday I'll change it. If your still having problem the folks at http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/diesel_mercedes/ are the best. Several have 240's as do I. I mine weren't buried under 4 feet of snow I might be able to help you work through the problem. Most of the time it's a priming problem try that first, if it is a fuel shut-off problem cause by a vac line or solinoid those guys will help you out, I'm sure. 240D's slow and steady gotta love um!! doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hoping this message is not too far off topic for this list, but I felt this would be the place to look for information from someone else who has been stumped with the same problem I'm facing here. I have a 1980 Mercedes 240D that won't run. It will turn over, but there seems to be no flow of fuel, in either the dinodiesel fuel lines, nor the WVO lines... As I've bought the Haynes manual, and read it, I'm getting that there is a fuel pump, which feeds the injector pump. A friend who drives a newer model tells me that the fuel pump relay is often bad, so I spent some time looking for it. (The Haynes manual is very stingy with information related to the diesels in the year range, no indication where to even start looking for the relay...) Possibly, (probably?) related... the car was at a mechanic's shop for an oil change, vacuum lines were disconnected, and incorrectly reconnected... This resulted in the engine not shutting off. This wasn't a problem the last time the car ran, as it did shut down properly... But now it won't start. It seems somewhat coincidental, but the fact that the fuel doesn't seem to be moving through the clear lines points to a problem with the supply fuel pump (lift pump?) and the manual isn't really clear where to start looking for it either... Does anyone on this list have experience with this model? specifically with the fuel supply system, pump relay location, vacuum line functions... I would be so very grateful for any information that will help me get my friend's car running again... Thanks in advance! doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Wildbill Sutton.VT - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080303/9c22/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
