Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
yes, that's a good link, darryl. I read it when you posted. and as usual, keith, you've followed up with a ton of good material more. thanks. the reports coming out of fukushima, about the ridiculous iodine levels being nothing to worry about, for example. or the links you posted, keith, about the refusal to take an honest look at the effects of chernobyl or hiroshima and nagasaki. i'm reminded of a program I heard some years back on a local university radio station. it was a speech given by a doctor who had dedicated himself to studying the effects of radiation. (if i've told this story before, my apologies) anyway, he was talking at one point about how the nuclear industry tried to allay fears over fallout resulting from nuclear testing in the pacific. well, this guy had done very thorough statistics on the incidence of different illnesses. his analysis showed a spike in the incidence of various cancers, diabetes, and such, coinciding with every nuclear test (going back, iirc, to the first nuclear test). so the nuclear industry defenders would say things like oh, but these data fall within the standard deviation you would expect with an increase in tobacco use . [and here, you can't ignore the ridiculous irony that these are the same people, as in of the same ilk--though it wouldn't surprise me if sometimes it was the same individuals--who used precisely the same kinds of arguments to defend big tobacco]. of course his rejoinder was well, I guess the fear over radiation is so deep-seated that every time you had a nuclear test, the resulting anxiety caused a whole bunch of people to start smoking. funny stuff (you had to be there). i'm also reminded of a piece i read in Science News, had to be a couple decades ago, about a study of rats in the wilds of russia. iirc, this was *not* related to chernobyl. these were forest regions where radioactive waste was known to have been dumped. a significant amount of mutation was found in this rat population. not gammarah-style stuff. things like large numbers of six-toed individuals, that kind of stuff. On Apr 20, 2011 1:41 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110422/5ce7f25c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NEWS - Clean transportation alternative
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Re: [Biofuel] NEWS - Clean transportation alternative
yes, well, I agree with your point about the question really being about walking, and that bicycling will naturally flow from that. wrt car culture, this is a notion that i have always considered to be corporate in origin. big auto, big oil, big development/real estate. big brother. the whole idea of america's [or germany's or japan's etc.] love affair with the automobile is endlessly repeated. i can certainly see how some, even many carfree advocates would uncritically absorb such notions even if they view it as a negative. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110422/254cd5bd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
