Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Thanks everyone for the input. Though it's unfortunate that there seems to be no DIY solution for lubrication, I think It'll give me something to tinker with over the next couple of months. Thanks Chris Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:11:29 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http
[Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120120/43ebf1e7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Basic Questions, Major Problems: Biofuel Batches
Again, I have not tritrated because it is virgin oil. Should I? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:06:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Basic Questions, Major Problems: Biofuel Batches what's the titration of your oil? even if it's new doesn't mean its clean, or even dry. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:55:31 -0400 Subject: [Biofuel] Basic Questions, Major Problems: Biofuel Batches Hi all, my name's Chris, I've been an avid ethanol brewer for a couple years and I'm shifting into biodiesel now with the help of the amazing Journey To Forever site. I've been trying for about 6 months in my spare time but have had almost no success with test batches. and I'm just about at my wit's end. I need some help. I thought if I laid out my proceedure and questions someone might be able to point out something that I'm doing wrong. I start by filling an old pot with water, and placing a 4L HDPE jug in it. I use that jug to mix the oil. I pour the vegetable oil (usually Canola) into the jug, and heat to 55'C. While that is heating, I measure out 200mL of 100% Methanol and 5.454g of 90% KOH. Mixing them together quickly in a glass jar to avoid air contamination. I add the methoxide to the oil and begin mixing. I use an electric drill on a homemade stand and a small steel paint mixer that attaches to the drill for mixing. Usually on low settings because it vibrates quite alot. I make sure to maintain the heat during the reaction, and I've varied my processing times from 20 Minutes to 90 Minutes. Afterwards, I pour out the mixture into a 2L PET bottle, and let settle for 24 hours. I then drain the by-product by unscrewing the cap. I usually let it resettle after and drain it again after another 12 hours just in case. Then I do the wash and methanol tests in 500mL PET bottles. I've had good results with the methanol tests mostly. But have only ever passed the wash test once, and that I think was a fluke as I havent been able to duplicate it. I've tried changing the methoxide mixture between 175mL-250mL of methanol and 5g-6-g of KOH, but that hasn't helped a tremendous amount. I find that I usually get better results with more methanol. I'm concerned that my KOH might be contaminated, is there a sign when it is? Also, is there any difference between using KOH flakes or pellets? As I use flakes. I have not tritrated as I have I have been using virgin oil. I sometimes get clear biodiesel and very murky water, sometimes it's completely congealed, and sometimes there is separation but a large interface layer. Please, any help would be awesome. Thanks, Chris Pinelli -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110921/4a0060b6/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110922/cf3b1520/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110923/d56bc038/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Basic Questions, Major Problems: Biofuel Batches
Hi all, my name's Chris, I've been an avid ethanol brewer for a couple years and I'm shifting into biodiesel now with the help of the amazing Journey To Forever site. I've been trying for about 6 months in my spare time but have had almost no success with test batches. and I'm just about at my wit's end. I need some help. I thought if I laid out my proceedure and questions someone might be able to point out something that I'm doing wrong. I start by filling an old pot with water, and placing a 4L HDPE jug in it. I use that jug to mix the oil. I pour the vegetable oil (usually Canola) into the jug, and heat to 55'C. While that is heating, I measure out 200mL of 100% Methanol and 5.454g of 90% KOH. Mixing them together quickly in a glass jar to avoid air contamination. I add the methoxide to the oil and begin mixing. I use an electric drill on a homemade stand and a small steel paint mixer that attaches to the drill for mixing. Usually on low settings because it vibrates quite alot. I make sure to maintain the heat during the reaction, and I've varied my processing times from 20 Minutes to 90 Minutes. Afterwards, I pour out the mixture into a 2L PET bottle, and let settle for 24 hours. I then drain the by-product by unscrewing the cap. I usually let it resettle after and drain it again after another 12 hours just in case. Then I do the wash and methanol tests in 500mL PET bottles. I've had good results with the methanol tests mostly. But have only ever passed the wash test once, and that I think was a fluke as I havent been able to duplicate it. I've tried changing the methoxide mixture between 175mL-250mL of methanol and 5g-6-g of KOH, but that hasn't helped a tremendous amount. I find that I usually get better results with more methanol. I'm concerned that my KOH might be contaminated, is there a sign when it is? Also, is there any difference between using KOH flakes or pellets? As I use flakes. I have not tritrated as I have I have been using virgin oil. I sometimes get clear biodiesel and very murky water, sometimes it's completely congealed, and sometimes there is separation but a large interface layer. Please, any help would be awesome. Thanks, Chris Pinelli -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110921/4a0060b6/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
I have not tritrated the oil, as it is new oil that I have been using. I've been meaning to pick up some chemicals for tritration, unfortunately my schedule hasn't permitted me to do so lately. Is tritration necessary for new oils? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:44:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello C Pinelli. Did you check the FFA and water contents on your raw material before processing ? FFA levels above 5 mg KOH/g (2,5%) will produce a lot of soaps, making the processing bad and the separation even worse. The water content will promote the soap production and will also compete with the methanol. The highest acceptable water content is around 1,5% and the lower the better. - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer I am having a similar problem, I have experience making ethanol successfully, but I'm new to biodiesel. I've been trying to get it right for some time with many many test batches, without too much success. I've followed the instructions as closely as possible, but still can't quite get it right. I use 90% KOH Flakes, a scale thats accurate to the hundreth of a gram, and am incredibly meticulous in my measurements. I've had mixed (but mostly good)results with the methanol test, but have never consistantly passed the wash test. Sometimes I get a very thick separation line between the two, sometimes I get clear water on the bottom with a yellowy mayo like substance on top. Sometimes it seems to have the reverse result, where it appears to be clear biodiesel on top, with very murky white water underneath. I've tried various amount of KOH and methanol, and varying my processing times, but I can't seem to get it down. As soon as my schedule permits, I'm going to try to get some new chemicals, because im worried that my lye might be water contaminated. Any help deciphering these results would be really appreciated. Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's no more white junk and the water is clear. Does this take care of the soap (if that's what it is), or is there still something to be concerned about? Also, any suggestions on how to get that paper thin white layer instead of the thicker one I have now? I'm using new oil, what I think are quality chemicals, and I'm being as meticulous as I know how to be. As far as I know, I'm following your instructions to the letter. I thank you for your help, Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110907/565c4278/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110910/ac803a3f/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz
Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
I am having a similar problem, I have experience making ethanol successfully, but I'm new to biodiesel. I've been trying to get it right for some time with many many test batches, without too much success. I've followed the instructions as closely as possible, but still can't quite get it right. I use 90% KOH Flakes, a scale thats accurate to the hundreth of a gram, and am incredibly meticulous in my measurements. I've had mixed (but mostly good)results with the methanol test, but have never consistantly passed the wash test. Sometimes I get a very thick separation line between the two, sometimes I get clear water on the bottom with a yellowy mayo like substance on top. Sometimes it seems to have the reverse result, where it appears to be clear biodiesel on top, with very murky white water underneath. I've tried various amount of KOH and methanol, and varying my processing times, but I can't seem to get it down. As soon as my schedule permits, I'm going to try to get some new chemicals, because im worried that my lye might be water contaminated. Any help deciphering these results would be really appreciated. Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's no more white junk and the water is clear. Does this take care of the soap (if that's what it is), or is there still something to be concerned about? Also, any suggestions on how to get that paper thin white layer instead of the thicker one I have now? I'm using new oil, what I think are quality chemicals, and I'm being as meticulous as I know how to be. As far as I know, I'm following your instructions to the letter. I thank you for your help, Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110907/565c4278/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110910/ac803a3f/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Time for U.S. to say yes to Canadian oil sands
From my personal standpoint as a Canadian, I find it funny how they sight stengthening the strategic alliance between Canada and the United States, when the only strategy I can personally see is the destruction of massive amounts of land and waterways to pipe ecologically unsound oil thousands of miles to the US, just to turn around and sell it for a higher price in Canada. As well, as for the Canadian government's decision to continue developing the oil sands, it seems that China, or any other asian country, has had little to no influence, whereas the United States has been the prime customer in mind. My two cents -Chris The real benefit would be to strengthen the strategic alliance between Canada and the United States. Canada's oil exports now go almost exclusively to us. Our interest is for this to continue. From 2010 to 2020, oil sands production is projected to double to 3 million barrels a day; most of that would be available for export. On paper, it might seem that Canada should diversify its oil customers. Not so. Canada's prospects are so tied to ours that any narrow advantage of having more buyers would vanish if that weakened the U.S. economy. The United States and Canada are each other's largest trading partners and closest allies. Oil markets are subtly changing, as more countries - led by China - seek preferential access to scarce global supplies. In the future, security of supply may matter as much as price. The more we can reduce oil demand and increase supply stability, the better off we'll be. On oil sands, we should just say yes. Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:30:58 +0200 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Time for U.S. to say yes to Canadian oil sands Really? http://search.japantimes.co.jp:80/mail/eo20110831rs.html Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2011 Time for U.S. to say yes to Canadian oil sands By ROBERT J. SAMUELSON The Washington Post WASHINGTON - When it comes to energy, America is lucky to be next to Canada, whose proven oil reserves are estimated by Oil and Gas Journal at 175 billion barrels. This ranks just behind Saudi Arabia (260 billion) and Venezuela (211 billion) and ahead of Iran (137 billion) and Iraq (115 billion). True, about 97 percent of Canada's reserves consist of Alberta's controversial oil sands, but new technologies and high oil prices have made them economically viable. Expanded production can provide the U.S. market with a growing source of secure oil for decades. We would be crazy to turn our back on this. In a global oil market repeatedly threatened by wars, revolutions, and natural and man-made disasters - and where government-owned oil companies control development of about three-quarters of known reserves - having dependable suppliers is no mean feat. We already import about half our oil, and Canada is our largest supplier with about 25 percent of imports. As its conventional fields decline, oil sands can fill the gap. Will we encourage this? Do we say yes to oil sands? Or do we increase our exposure to unstable world oil markets? Those are the central questions posed by the proposed $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline connecting Alberta's oil sands to U.S. refineries on the Texas Gulf coast. The pipeline requires White House approval, and environmentalists oppose it. To be sure, there are dangers. Pipelines do crack; there are spills. Susan Casey-Lefkowitz of the Natural Resource Defense Council reminds of recent spills of about 3.8 million liters into the Kalamazoo River in Michigan and more than 151,000 liters into the Yellowstone River in Montana. Moreover, converting the bitumen found in oil sands into oil is messy. Some processes have required up to two barrels of water for every barrel of oil. Because energy use is also high, so are greenhouse gases. On a per-barrel basis, emissions have sometimes been double and triple that of standard oil production. Environmentalists are outraged. They've made Keystone into a cause celebre. Sit-ins outside the White House have led to arrests. For President Obama to approve the pipeline would be regarded by his environmental supporters as a complete betrayal. Actually, the reality is more complex. If Obama rejects the pipeline, he would - perversely - increase greenhouse gas emissions. Canada has made clear that it will proceed with oil sands development regardless of the American decision. If the United States doesn't want the oil, China and other Asian countries do. Pipelines would be built to the West Coast. Transporting the oil by tanker to Asia would almost certainly create more emissions than moving it by pipeline to closer U.S. markets. Next, oil sands' greenhouse gases are exaggerated. Despite high per-barrel emissions, the cumulative total is not large: about 6.5 percent of Canada's emissions in 2009 and about 0.2 percent of
