RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Frank Dungan




I'm a 
nice guy - no flame suit required, but I see no real 
answers...

I hate 
feeding our enemies as much as anybody.What was the solution? 

World 
government? That's a little scary, and the UN is a disaster.
It 
takes energy to keep this many people alive in the world. The question is how do 
we pull it off?





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  shift global warming debate
  


  
  I you have any viable real world solutions lets hear 
  it.Excuse me while I put 
  my jack boots onHow about we hijack the mainstream media and 
  start brainwashing people with the notion that life is not about immediate 
  gratification. (Don't expect the sheeple of america to go searching for the 
  truth on the internet - no they need to be spoonfed) That there is a 
  cost involved in everything we do, every choice we make, and that they need to 
  consider that they might expect to live with less so that others can live with 
  something. That we collectively in the developed world are complicit in all 
  the death, suffering and destruction that takes place in this world, as a 
  result of turning a blind eye while supporting the the selfish exploitive 
  practices that bring all the above into existence in this world. That they are 
  voting with thier dollars and currently they are voting for their own worst 
  enemies and by doing so are creating a sense of hatred in other places in the 
  minds of terrorists ( or is it freedom fighters I forget? ) who are attacking 
  them as a result. Once we have people convinced to lower thier standard of 
  living we can then mobilize them to kick the bastards out and enact a 
  worldwide system of referendum to decide how we proceed with issues that need 
  to be addressed. Here's a novel idea; we could even call it the united nation 
  or something stupid like that. Heck we could spread some nukes around so 
  that everyone at the table gets an equal share of respect while we're at it. 
  Yeah there's nothing like the respect you get when you pull up your chair and 
  lay your .45 down on the discussion table beside you. So how do you like 
  me so far?Jack boots offflame suit 
on.Joe
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RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-05 Thread Frank Dungan



Before 
you throw up... Can you tell us the solution?

Bio-fuel, wind, and solar are great starts on energy, but all combined 
are still a tiny drop in the bucket up against fossil fuels.

 If 
the oil stops - we starve.
 Ties to middle east oil are likely to drag us into WWIII 
(consult your Bible  nightly news for details).
 Kyoto as it stands is nothing but a money and 
politicalpower grab, I wouldn't support it either (and yes I have read 
it).
 Hydrogen/fuel cell cars are the low hanging 
fruit here, we can possibly cut auto fuelusage 
by30%-40%through efficiency.

I 
remember the fuel crisis of the 70's that resulted minor long term 
changes.
Seams 
to me we do need a short term and long term policy...

 Short term, get as far away from the evils as possible 
(environmental,political, and economic).
 Long term, exploit every energy source 
possible.

I you 
have any viable real world solutions lets hear it.

O-yes, 
I live in Kansas wherepeople are fighting against wind farms (we are a 
high wind state) because it disrupts their view of the country 
side.



 

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  RedlerSent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:50 PMTo: 
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  shift global warming debate
  
  
  OK, I've been a little preoccupied lately and haven't been able 
  tocontributions to recent discussions. However, one of Kieth's recent 
  postscaught my attention.
  Please allow me to vent.
  ...I'm quoting parts of Kieth's post in reverse order.
  "My hope is -- and I think the hope of Tony Blair is -- to move beyond 
  the Kyoto debate and to collaborate on new technologies that will enable 
  the United States and other countries to diversify away from fossil fuels 
  so that the air will be cleaner and that we have the economic and national 
  security that comes from less dependence on foreign sources of oil," Bush 
  said."Bush spoke of his administration's investment of $20 billion 
  (16.55 billion euros) in developing hydrogen-powered vehicles, 
  zero-emission power stations and other technology."
  Bush's position shifts like the tide -- like 
  atideresultingfrom global warming and which might swallow 
  Bangladesh.He starts out with "...away from fossil fuels...", then 
  differentiates who's fossil fuels with "...less dependence on foreign sources 
  of oil". Finally, (In an earlier statement) he spoke of his 
  administrations$20 billion investmentin hydrogen powered vehicles, 
  demonstratinghis steadfast commitment to oil interests.
  He wants to projectconcern toward (only the mostuneducated) 
  environmentalists with a technology that addresses the storage of energy and 
  not sustainable resourcesfor conversion. At the same time, he chooses a 
  cause which the oil industry can actively participate. Finally, a low emphasis 
  on greenhouse gas emissions is an invitation for some companies to manufacture 
  "green" products with no regard to the manufacturing processes and how it 
  contributes to global warming -- thus, defeating the purpose.
  I think I need to throw up now.
  Mike
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