Re: [Biofuel] MPG-CAP™ PLEASE ADVICE NEEDED
thanks Bruno for the respond s well for reminding me the caps lock what do u mean by MLM scam? i do want to believe good things can steel be true . well.. hopefully for u 2 Golan On 06/12/06, Bruno M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1° Golan, don't yell here, no need to, or put your Caps Lock of. 2° why no link to that offer? how can we evaluate it ? 3° Don't bother to find a link ,( 36300 in Google;-) and it passed here before i guess. 4° it's an other MLM scam. From FFi, Fuel Freedom international, Florida. If it looks to good to be true, it mostly is. ;-) Bruno M. At 20:43 05/12/2006, Golan Shmuel wrote: HI U ALL I HAD JUST BEEN OFFER TO USE KIND OF WONDER MPG-CAP™ is a caplet you put into your fuel tank:This makes the fuel, petrol or diesel, burn more efficiently, increasing the power SAVES 15-20% FROM THE FUEL CONSUMPTION ,CUT DOWN POLLUTION ... ANY ONE HEARD OR TRIED I WISH THAT'S FOR REAL ALL THE BEST GOLAN == ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor
hi mark i use 2500 kw heating elements that being used in home boilers they are very cheap not from Cooper i don't no whats it from .have two of them in a 150 liters reactor yet most of theprocess i use only 1 only in thebeginning when iheat the oil i use both of them to speed things up i change 1of theelements about 3 month ago (i burned it up in mistake)the other oneseams as new after 9 month in here it cost25-30 shekels which is more or less 3 paonds. works fine for 14 month already all the best Golan On 21/10/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello PhilipHi,I used a copper immersion heater element for several years with no problems, How do you know there were no problems? Did you have your fuel testedfor oxidation? See:http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#copperstudy And:Oxidation and polymerisationhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#oxidBestKeithalthough a stainless one would be more durable. I obtained a 'mechanical boss' for the immersion heater in a local (UK) plumbersmerchant which eases and improves the fit through the tank, it alsomakes replacement easier.Philip- Original Message From: Mark` Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:47:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with ProcessorkeithThanks for that, you can get stainless immersion heater[element] but theyare a fortune to buy brand new. I thought any list members may know of other alternatives? [ or supplys in the UK]Mark From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:51:09 +0900 Hi to every one, I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a heater element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, in Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find a supplier here in the UK. Any suggestions anybody?Mark Hi Mark Brass won't do either, neither will bronze, lead, tin and zinc. Aluminium doesn't react with biodiesel but it does react with lye so you can't use it in a processor. Stainless steel is best. Stainless steel immersion heaters definitely exist, surely obtainable in all countries. Seek and ye shall find. HTH, good luck. Keith___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please
hi Joe i salute u for your beautiful site brilliant to your knowledge does methanol purity has standard or when does it starts to be problem how much (%)water? how u get the water out if u have to much with out getting parts of u all around? blessings Golan On 27/09/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Golan;I got the hydrometer for $CDN 15.00 from a lab supply yes. If you do the same calibration method as me you can do it at any termperature. Just make sure the temperature( of the liquids!) is known and is not changing. Now the temps are dropping and my lab temperature is about 20 so I may make another chart soon too. Cheers.JoeGolan Shmuel wrote: thanks Joe u r living in Paradise it was 40c today that's the beginning of the atum i can try at night thow 27c if i will wait aweek or two and all that if i can get that hydrometer of yours laboratory's supply? is it expensive? all the best Golan On 26/09/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Golan;You can use a hydrometer in the range of 0.7 to 0.9 to measure the specific gravity of your methanol. The hydrometers are usually calibrated for 16 degrees C though so measuring at room temperature will result in a lower reading. What I did was get some very pure methanol and some water and let them sit at the ambient temperature and then acurrately measure small amounts of water and add to a measured amont of methanol. Take the readings and make a graph to show the percentage water ( volume /volume) at the temperature you are working at. Then you can use the hydrometer as a gauge of your water content. This may not be perfectly accurate but will be good enough to tell you if your methanol is contaminated. If you have a temperature close to 23 degrees you can use my data, it is here: http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Reactor.htmlBest regards.Joe Golan Shmuel wrote: hi tom Causes of soap: 1. Water in oil/chemicals used 2.Too much caustic 3. Glycerine contamination - Is youroil dry/your chemicals pure? - Careful titration, calculations, measurement of caustic - Do you allow the glycerine mix to settle out for 8 hrs? since my caustic is 99% pure at list day say so and i let the glycerin mix to settle for 24-48 hrs. i titrated every batch at list twice, got good scale. that lives us with water in oil or in methanol i let the oil to settle for at list week or two before processing and titration values around 1 it may be methanol any idea how to check methanol for water?? thanks alot Golan - Original Message - From: Golan Shmuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please hi any explanation for passing methanol tests perfectly but steal having third layer 3-4 mm in the wash tests happened to me in 3 last batch's thanks Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch
Re: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please
hi tom Causes of soap: 1. Water in oil/chemicals used 2.Too much caustic 3. Glycerine contamination - Is youroil dry/your chemicals pure? - Careful titration, calculations, measurement of caustic - Do you allow the glycerine mix to settle out for 8 hrs? since my caustic is 99% pure at list day say so and i let the glycerin mix to settle for 24-48 hrs. i titrated every batch at list twice, got good scale. that lives us with water in oil or in methanol i let the oil to settle for at list week or two before processing and titration values around 1 it may be methanol any idea how to check methanol for water?? thanks alot Golan - Original Message - From: Golan Shmuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please hi any explanation for passing methanol tests perfectly but steal having third layer 3-4 mm in the wash tests happened to me in 3 last batch's thanks Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please
thanks Joe u r living in Paradise it was 40c today that's the beginning of the atum i can try at night thow 27c if i will wait aweek or two and all that if i can get that hydrometer of yours laboratory's supply? is it expensive? all the best Golan On 26/09/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Golan;You can use a hydrometer in the range of 0.7 to 0.9 to measure the specific gravity of your methanol. The hydrometers are usually calibrated for 16 degrees C though so measuring at room temperature will result in a lower reading. What I did was get some very pure methanol and some water and let them sit at the ambient temperature and then acurrately measure small amounts of water and add to a measured amont of methanol. Take the readings and make a graph to show the percentage water ( volume /volume) at the temperature you are working at. Then you can use the hydrometer as a gauge of your water content. This may not be perfectly accurate but will be good enough to tell you if your methanol is contaminated. If you have a temperature close to 23 degrees you can use my data, it is here: http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Reactor.htmlBest regards.Joe Golan Shmuel wrote: hi tom Causes of soap: 1. Water in oil/chemicals used 2.Too much caustic 3. Glycerine contamination - Is youroil dry/your chemicals pure? - Careful titration, calculations, measurement of caustic - Do you allow the glycerine mix to settle out for 8 hrs? since my caustic is 99% pure at list day say so and i let the glycerin mix to settle for 24-48 hrs. i titrated every batch at list twice, got good scale. that lives us with water in oil or in methanol i let the oil to settle for at list week or two before processing and titration values around 1 it may be methanol any idea how to check methanol for water?? thanks alot Golan - Original Message - From: Golan Shmuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please hi any explanation for passing methanol tests perfectly but steal having third layer 3-4 mm in the wash tests happened to me in 3 last batch's thanks Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] changes in titration values
hi tom ,bob thanks for the replay i had already got to the bottom of the tank (i fixed the tap 15-20 cm from the bottom so 150-200 liters always stay at the bottom) i processed 350 liter during the weekend and steel the titrationresult was 0.9 i got good separation and good washing washing test quite strange i got 3 mm third layer that disappeared after few hours i believe the magic is the high summer temp. and double settling what i do is first i let the oil to settle in a55 gal barrel for week then i pamp 3/4 of the barrel to the bigger tankthat stays upand have no shade at all during all day andi use the oil from there i will keepfallow and taking titration before settling all the best Golan On 22/09/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Golan, I have experienced similar results . not quite as dramatic a difference as yours. I don't know why, but it could bethat as water settles, some acids may settle with it. Heat definitely helps settle the water out. About 6 - 8 months ago I brought home WVO that looked good, but titrated 3.2g lye/L. It also had a peculiar (bad) smell when heated. I washed a sample of the WVO (w. water) and dried it. It titrated 2.2g lye/L. I spoke to the chef at the restaurant. She told me that the WVO came from a fryer they use tofry vegetables. I set up 2 settling tanks (200+L) one for the restaurant's french fry oil, the other for their veg fry oil. The veg-fry oil goes in 3 - 3.2 came out 6 weeks later (top 150+ gal) 2.4 Be careful to titrate each time you use the oil. There may be a gradient as you go down the tank. (Increasing titration#) Best of luck. Congratulations on the quality tests Tom - Original Message - From: Golan Shmuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] changes in titration values hi! does any of you notice major difference in titration values in thesame oil before and after 1-2 months in stalling tank? i have anew 1000 liter black staling tank outside in the sun (it get very hot here in the summer 38-45 c July Aug) same oil that titrated 2.4 for few times before entering the tanktitrated 0.9 after few weeks in the tank ititrated over and over again for 8 times i change for fresh indicator twice but i still got the same result 0.9 i just made batch using 3.5+0.9 Noah and it pass the quality test (both methanolwashing) just fine any idea how this magic works? all the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] qulity tests help please
hi any explanation for passing methanol tests perfectly but steal having third layer 3-4 mm in the wash tests happened to me in 3 last batch's thanks Golan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] changes in titration values
hi! does any of you notice major difference in titration values in thesame oil before and after 1-2 months in stalling tank? i have anew 1000 liter black staling tank outside in the sun (it get very hot here in the summer 38-45 c July Aug) same oil that titrated 2.4 for few times before entering the tanktitrated 0.9 after few weeks in the tank ititrated over and over again for 8 times i change for fresh indicator twice but i still got the same result 0.9 i just made batch using 3.5+0.9 Noah and it pass the quality test (both methanolwashing) just fine any idea how this magic works? all the best Golan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] amulsion at third wash please help
hi jimthanks for responding.Perhaps you got a bit to aggressive with the third Stir wash and you did not get the worst out in wash one and two.i used the same impelor for all my steer wash then i believe that they are more or less the same. When you did Jans test was the methanol CLEAR or CLOUDY?the methanol was clear and nothing at the bottom.36 hours later it was all separated i did extra 2 washes with no other problemsteal have no explanation for it thanks anywayGolan Jim Golan Shmuel wrote: Hi all i am Golan and i make my fuel for almost a year already. something strange happened to me earlier today a 100 liter batch i made last week which passed quality test both wash test and *Jan Warnqvist* test as well asaggressive stir wash -twice turn into emulsion in the third wash it was clear right from the earlier second of the wash that something different it start to turn foamishany way i kept stirring and it would not separate for 4 hours now. only 4-5 top cm. separated does any of u have any idea? had similar problem? this time i tried 5% vinegar in the first wash (200 cc to 120 liter) i know all ready i was far wrong in the quantitiescan it be the reason? all the best Golan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] amulsion at third wash please help
On 28/08/06, Golan Shmuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi andrew i missed your respond some how sorry any way no brown staff at the bottom i have no explenation for it but im saspecting the viniger im moving to the next batch all the best golan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] amulsion at third wash please help
Hi all i am Golan and i make my fuel for almost a year already. something strange happened to me earlier today a 100 liter batch i made last week which passed quality test both wash test and Jan Warnqvist test as well as aggressive stir wash -twice turn into emulsion in the third wash it was clear right from the earlier second of the wash that something different it start to turn foamish any way i kept stirring and it would not separate for 4 hours now. only 4-5 top cm. separated does any of u have any idea? had similar problem? this time i tried 5% vinegar in the first wash (200 cc to 120 liter) i know all ready iwas far wrong in the quantities can it be the reason? all the best Golan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
hi joe iuse the test and it still gives me hadeake . at list half of the times are not as it should be im at the begining of the way and it give me direction. i just put abigger pump and it already looking better i alsow parchesed a PH tester and i start to take test from old BD sampels (unwashed)resault 12.2-13.3 how doese that sound? tested as well somewvo i got 8.4-8.5 i thought it should be acid? have u got any idea all the best golan On 13/01/06, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe,I use every test on JtF to test my Bio and also the the HannaInstruments test for Glycol. I do this every single batch.I have never had any fallout in Jans test to date.(Knock Knock Knock on wood) ( Imeasure it out precisely ) I have graduated to the base/base method andhave had absolutely great results. That said I got into a washing awhile back that was not as good as I like so I investigated and found that Iam dealing with FFA's that are higher than I want.I am moving to theacid/base learning phase for that.I did also learn that if I pour the WVO that is liquid and on top at 28 deg F into a bucket and process thestuff that gets clumpy (on bottom)I greatly reduce the FFA's in theoil. (14% or so lower) compairitably (tests of each done side by side same temp same everythingexcept oil and very precise). So in thefuture winter freeze cycles I will cut out the dark top stuff and savefor Acid processing. I have since adopted this and my bio stands up to intense stir washing each and every wash now.( I get clean and clear atthe third wash but I do go 4 just because)I might add that after Itake a grab sample from the batch and mix 50% water, then give it a 30 second shake, it separates into 2 phases in 1 minute or so.(thats at 50- 60 deg F water) That is my first clue I have a good thing going.Hope this helps.JimJoe Street wrote: Hi All; The other day I threw out a question but it was an afterthought on another thread.Nobody has answered so here I am trying again on a specific thread.I am interested to know *how many on the list do Jan Warnqvist's methanol test* http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality and how much precipitate do people get?How much is ok?The description states that every 1 ml equals 4% contaminate and indicates what 'causes washing problems'I have absolutely no washing problems now with the way my reactor is running, my BD has a density of 0.88 , there is a dramatic lightening of color after the split, I get a reasonable amount of glycerine (not that this means a hell of a lot) but as an example, last batch was horrible oil I had to use 15.5 grams of KOH per liter oil and I ended up with 23 liters of BD at the end out of 25 liters oil.The first wash water was milky white and the 4th was almost like drinking water and the PH was 7.3 vs 7.4 before washing. No detectable 3rd layer formed at any stage of the process. By all accounts this should be good quality fuel but I will still get a littlefallout from the methanol test ( I haven't quantified it yet because I didn't do in in a graduated cylinder but there is definitely a clear amber liquid phase at the bottom on the tube after settling) So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it going for you?Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from this test?And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent contamination in my fuel? I did search the mail archive twice using 'methanol test' and also 'Jan Warnqvist' as keywords, but the returns were not so informative. List members I need your wisdom! Jan perhaps you are most qualified to answer but I would really like to get a sense of the percentage of the list members who are running this test. So chime in! Joe **___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] no speration - help
hay every onei was thinking that after 500 liter good quality b.d i left the big mistakes behind me.any way the last batch i did yesterday turned out with no separation at all.it was 95 liter wvo titration 1.4.used 19 liter methanol 466g laysame reactor and reaction time (90 min) as batches beforewhat i got is cloudy liquid with no glycerin layer i titrated the liquid - 1.25i set it aside in an open barrel and i noticed thick white wax like layer on top of itthe only thing i can think about is the lay it did look like it absorbed some water (big bunches of it stacked together)can it be that or maybe someone have other ideaether way what can be done to save the batch grateful to any comment ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
