[Biofuel] Red Devil Lye
For what its worth, I was at the local super market, Weis, and they had a sale on Red Devil Lye (RDL). It also had a note that it is being discontinued. Not sure if it is the actual RDL being discontinued, or if Weis is discontinuing it. Just seems awfuly coincidental though. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 945
http://home.netscape.com/ex/shak/autos/specials/Ethanol1.html È Feature Article Sunday - May 12, 2002 The Ethanol Subsidy: Your Tax Dollars at Work Using the shibboleth of promoting renewable energy sources, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and other Democratic bigwigs are about to dole out yet more corporate welfare to the ethanol lobby - most notably the giant agribusiness conglomerate Archer Daniels Midland. Ethanol is an alcohol fuel (and motor-fuel additive) derived from corn; thus it is touted as a way to help end America's dependence upon Middle Eastern oil, as well as a means of helping the environment. But ethanol is no environmental panacea; nor is it energy-efficient. Far from it. Producing ethanol is costly and complex, and uses up more oil-based energy resources than the gasoline and other motor fuels it would ostensibly replace. And burning ethanol in an internal-combustion engine creates environmental problems, too, which add to the complexity of the air-quality problem by throwing yet another variable into the emissions-control equation. Multiple types of fuel, and different requirements regarding fuel additives, make it harder for the auto industry to develop effective new emissions-control equipment. Different fuel types and additive packages can (and do) compromise the effectiveness and long-term durability of the emissions-control equipment already in service. Yet Sen. Daschle and his fellow porkers in the House and Senate want to extend the existing subsidy to ethanol producers for at least another decade--crop subsidies since 1996 alone have been worth more than $30 billion--and mandate the increased use of ethanol as a gasoline additive. A provision inserted into the Senate version of the energy bill currently under consideration would force gasoline refiners to use 5 billion gallons of ethanol as an additive (or component) of the motor fuels they produce by 2012. That's more than double the current amount of ethanol being used--every drop of it an extortionate transfer payment from the American taxpayer to giant, politically connected agribusinesses. This new subsidy would be worth billions. And that's on top of the billions the agribusiness lobby already suckles from taxpayers. It would also create what amounts to a guaranteed market share, in perpetuity, that would be immune from any market mechanisms whatsoever. Whether ethanol is good for the environment, or good for the energy situation, becomes utterly irrelevant. It may even be bad for both (more on that below). None of that will matter. Taxpayers and motorists would simply get to pay a government-enforced fee to Archer Daniels Midland and other beneficiaries of corn-state corporate welfare, courtesy of the political pull of those such as Daschle. The icing on the cake? If passed, the legislation would not only guarantee this massive new subsidy, it would grant a safe harbor protecting ethanol producers from legal action or other consequences arising out of problems--including environmental and health problems--traced back to ethanol's use as a motor fuel or motor-fuel additive. This from the party of the little guy and the environment. Another problem (all those billions aside) is that we could easily experience a repeat of last year's fuel shortages and price spikes as a result of all this, only much worse. The cause of those shortages was not the greedy Middle Eastern cartels, but the shipping, distribution, and refining problems associated with fuel requirements that differ from state to state, as well as shortages of various additives and fuel mixes in some regions of the country. Ethanol, which is used as an oxygenate in some states, played a big role in that. By forcing refiners to use yet more ethanol, which is produced almost entirely by a cartel of three major companies (the biggest of which is ADM), the likelihood of future fuel shortages and price spikes is huge. This egregious (and dangerous) hog-slopping much be stopped, and it's up to decent lawmakers of both parties to see to it that Daschle doesn't succeed in legislating this taxpayer-financed payoff to his buddies at Archer Daniels Midland. Back to Autos Home È COPYRIGHT 2002 ERIC PETERS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Cornburning Stoves
Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Message: 14 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:18:09 -0500 From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Coppice Willow Hardwoods Part Dieu was Re: Re: Cornburning Stoves Hardwood Energy Values - Part Dieu http://www.esf.edu/willow/news2/n2why.htm Species DensityHeat Value lb/cu. ft. lb/cordBTU/lb Million BTUs/ton Million BTUs/cord Willow 23.7 3,034 8,400 16.8 25.2 Sugar39.15,005 8,400 16.8 42.0 Maple Red 34.34,390 8,400 16.8 36.9 Maple American 39.15,005 8,600 17.2 43.0 Beach Eastern 25.9 3,315 8,80017.2 29.2 Cottonwood Red Oak 39.85,094 9,360 18.6 47.6 * all values are based on oven dry weight One Full Cord = 128 cubic feet Willow Yields 5-8 tons / acre, non-irrigated Coal yields 20,974,000 BTUs / short ton One acre = 208.71' x 208.71' Using the same conversion rate for willow as exists for coal, 10,452 Btu's / KwH, one mean acre of willow yields 10,447 KwH's. One acre, 209' x 209', is sufficient to supply ~1.19 homes consuming 1Kw each hour for an entire year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Cornburning Stoves snip http://www.cornburner.com/BM620-9.html Some of the cost figures here are not very accurate, or at least not accurate for all areas. Most charts give $150 @ full cord of wood (which is correct hereabouts anyway) not $115. And I've seen $1.73 @ bushel for corn, not sure about the others. I am not going to argue that point. Because you are right depending on where you live. As far as the corn, though, what is nice about that particular stove is that you can burn moldy or junk corn. You can also use other grains that are grown, so if corn is high in price, just go and buy the cheapest grain at the time you need to buy the grain to heat your house. Just a little more insight. :-) Jeremy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car?
From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Thinking about buying a car? do you know which model had those gears? Minneapolis Moline Pictures http://216.248.161.6/users/tturner/IMAGE.HTM Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car? I was think i may have mislead you a bit on the road gears. We have to remember that this tractor was made for 2 years in the late 1930's. Top speed was about 30 miles an hour which was fast enough for the dirt roads that we used back then. Regaurdless, I found a picture and if you are interested in looking at it, just point and click the link below. http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/harley94xl/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album/Minnea polis+Moline.dnm=Minneapolis+Moline+Comfort.jpg.src=bc.view=l.done=http% 3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/harley94xl/lst%3f%26.dir=/Yahoo!%2bPhoto%2bAlbum/ Minneapolis%2bMoline%26.src=bc%26.view=l I hope you are able to see the picture ok. Jeremy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car?
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:52:16 -0500 From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thinking about buying a car? I don't need a car to feed myself. I don't necessarily need a car in order to make money to pay anyone to feed me. I do need a truck on many occasion for picking up engines, building supplies, etc. It might as well be a diesel so I can run it on a renewable, clean fuel I can make myself. BTW, Did you know the unimog was originally designed to be a tractor? http://www.webconx.com/unimog.htm OKOKOKOK so my post is a bit behind.. Alot behind...Sorry.. have been busy with school and such and well, i decided to do a paper on Biodiesel to inform some new people about it and how it can prove to be a good thing for the future. Anyways... I read a post from Mr Spence about the unimog. Sounds like we have come full circle again?!? I remember a time when Minneapolis Moline made a tractor that had highway road gears so you could use it to drive down the road. I have to get pictures of this thing and set up a website to show you what the tractor looked like. Its kind of amazing how things go full circle sometimes. Welp, thats my 2 cents for now.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engines
Check out this web site. Good luck. http://www.drms.dla.mil/ Jeremy --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't quite on-topic, but hopefully someone here might know: I'm shopping for a mil-surplus M35 6x6 truck. These have engines made by various truck engine manufacturers (but to the same specs) like White and Continental. They are turbo diesels, but called multifuel snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Hmmm So am I. Along with being a paramedic. Sounds scary all of a sudden. ;-) --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are welcome to. I'm a fireman, so all's well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come watch??? or help? lol Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an engine blow is such a fun exposition. I'll take pics for you all :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add one of your filters, Dave. .. Steve, Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin extracted. That will at least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the biodiesel enhances the crankcase oil. I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the lunatic fringe. You, on the other hand, might be a bit more touched. (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 465
Kinda reminds me of a commercial. Time for a bathroom break hehehe. ;-) --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crabb, David wrote: I dont know about you .,.. but mine says.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] So i assume those are the advertisements you get? are you getting the digest? Nope, not the digest. And mine also had the [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] bit, but also full-color banner ads. Anyway, it's stopped now. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Swirl chamber diesel?
I can tell you that a diesel with a precombustion chamber is one where the diesel is injected into a bowel like container, and not directly into the cylinder. From there, it ignites. I maybe able to get a picture of a diesel engine from a tractor with this type of injection. Just email me and let me know if this may help. Jeremy --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attn: Steve, Dana, or others, Can someone please fully explain what a 1) Swirl chamber diesel, and 2) diesel with Precombustion chamber is/are and how they differ from a standard Direct injection diesel? A bit out of my depth with these two as I am only conversant with D.I. diesels. B.r., David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel in San Francisco
Yeppers. I saw it. But it was during prime time i guess.. (3am EST USA) lol Well, at least the news is picking up on this. Jeremy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone happen to hear or see the big to do CNN did on biodiesel on sale at the pump in selected sites in the bay area? Cost was $2.90/gal. thanks gaw __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article
What I think he was refering to was the CNN report that I had saw myself. They said that biodiesel is in the area of $2.00 US and up. Jeremy --- jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed and All, 100% biodiesel costs between $.30 and $1.40 a gal to make depending on your source of feedstock. Heating oil, slightly better grade of diesel sells in the $.75 / $.80 a gal on the spot market now. As many biodiesel makers get their feedstock for almost free biodiesel would cost about the same as diesel if there was enough supply. Adding 10/20% biodiesel to diesel shouldn't raise the price much if at all. Taxes not included, YMMV. jerry dycus --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three Times the Price Because biodiesel costs three times as much as regular diesel, adding biodiesel even in small amounts raises the cost of the fuel by several cents per gallon. It was selling in Sparks for $1.62 per gallon. What's the average price of diesel in Nevada at this time...anyone know? 54 cents a gallon? Ed B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article
Price here in central Pennsylvania is about 143 9 give or take a couple of cents.. Jeremy --- david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry, The price of diesel here in Georgia USA is $1.30 9/10 to $1.39 9/10 right now. I travel the Interstate hwy every day so I see a lot of truckstops, I`ll be glad to keep the prices posted if it will help. David Cruse - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article Hi Ed and All, 100% biodiesel costs between $.30 and $1.40 a gal to make depending on your source of feedstock. Heating oil, slightly better grade of diesel sells in the $.75 / $.80 a gal on the spot market now. As many biodiesel makers get their feedstock for almost free biodiesel would cost about the same as diesel if there was enough supply. Adding 10/20% biodiesel to diesel shouldn't raise the price much if at all. Taxes not included, YMMV. jerry dycus --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three Times the Price Because biodiesel costs three times as much as regular diesel, adding biodiesel even in small amounts raises the cost of the fuel by several cents per gallon. It was selling in Sparks for $1.62 per gallon. What's the average price of diesel in Nevada at this time...anyone know? 54 cents a gallon? Ed B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Ahhh shoot.. Now I have no heat.. ;-( hehehe sorry had to say it. ;-) Jeremy --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey it works, Have just fitted magnets to my radiator hoses and just started the car and already it is running cooler. Must be the alignment of the molecules allows the water to run through the engine and radiator faster achieving better cooling. Warren, you did say increased mileage, not increased fuel consumption and more power, didnt you? B.r., David I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come watch??? or help? lol Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an engine blow is such a fun exposition. I'll take pics for you all :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add one of your filters, Dave. .. Steve, Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin extracted. That will at least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the biodiesel enhances the crankcase oil. I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the lunatic fringe. You, on the other hand, might be a bit more touched. (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
I don't know for sure if it will or not. I just said I may try it to see what would happen. ;-) Jeremy --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy, I can see the magnets might work on water for the reasons you asscribe but why should they work with gasoline.and why should you get increased mileage? B.r., David I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Not sure.. but its pretty good dude... hehehe. Want some?? Well, in all seriousness, believe it or not, it seems to work. Maybe i should get some lab reports of before and after?!? NE Ways, just my 2 cents. Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years, but I never tried it. I shall do so now. The author of the following article, Dr. James DeMeo, is an intelligent and credible fellow, and the cost of trying is insignificant. Per the link below this also works for petro-diesel, so perhaps for biodiesel and WVO also. Anyone else care to try this and give us feedback? Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? - ...Warren Rekow Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 438
--- Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diesels are a different matter. Their stoich. ratio varies from 14 to 1 up to 78 to one. Just about any combustible fuel will run a comression ignition engine. That's about it in a nutshell. Helpful? Joe Can you run gasoline in a diesel? I thought it would ignite before the desired point in the compression stroke? or is the air compressed... then the diesel added... and the diesel explodes witht he pressure? odd.. since the pressure in the pump must be greater then the pressure in the chamber.. or it wont come out.. Lets see. Compression of a wakasha diesel engine, about 400 psi. Injection tip pressure about 2000 psi, you make the call. ;-) My 2 cents Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 438
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you run gasoline in a diesel? I thought it would ignite before the desired point in the compression stroke? or is the air compressed... then the diesel added... and the diesel explodes witht he pressure? odd.. since the pressure in the pump must be greater then the pressure in the chamber.. or it wont come out.. Pressures at injection time are not all that great. A 20:1 compression ration has max compression pressures around 300 PSI. The pressure rise heats the air which in turn ignites the fuel. Diesel engine speed is controlled by the amount of fuel injected which is one reason for the increased economy during light loads. One important point, stoichimetric (sp?) ratio does not change for Diesel (or for that matter any) fuel. Stoichimetric is that ratio where all the available fuel combines with all the available oxygen with no oxygen or fuel left over. A rich condition is when there is more fuel than be combined with the available oxygen. A lean condition is where there is more oxygen than available fuel. In spark ignition engines, the fuel air is brought in together and must be maintained near stoich. The reason is that in lean condition, the fuel may be scattered about and not have good ignition or even a misfire, wasting fuel. In a rich condition, not all fuel is oxidized and is therefore wasted. For emissions, a misfire is one of the worst things that can happen. For fuel economy unburned fuel is one of the worst things that can happen. Diesels inject the fuel as a stream so there is a rich condition at the time of injection which improves ignition. I really hate to tell you this, but, if you inject in a stream, you wouldn't have ignition. Injectors give of a mist or fog, persay. When you have a stream, it is not expanding all of the fuel properly and that is where you have loss of power, higher fuel consumption, etc etc etc. Same thing would happen if you would just dribble the fuel in the cylinder, EX, an old used injector that needs rebuilt, because it is not holding the pressure through the tip properly, or the tip itself is worn to big to give the back pressure needed to create the fog/mist. Hope this is helpful. Just my 2 cents Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Mr Spence, I am now very very curious. Give me an example of a diesel engine that doesn't have an injection system. Every diesel I have ever worked on has an injection system, weather it be mechanical or electrical. I guess in theory, you could charge the air, kinda like a carburator does for a gasoline engine, but that defeats the whole purpose of the engine being more efficient. Just really curious now. (Saving my 2 cents to make a bio-proccesser.) ;-) Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all diesels are fuel injected. this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel if you had an gas engine with injectors, it would be challenging to run a gaseous fuel like propane (but not impossible) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Refinery
Here is a question I want to pose to the group. We all know we can refine Crude oil to make diesel and then even further to make gasoline. Can we refine biodiesel to make maybe..biogas? ;-) Am just wondering. Just my 2 cents. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Yield of Jerusalem artichokes
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking into what I have on file about alcohol crops, I find the following quote about jerusalem artichoke: Since one acre of Jerusalem artichokes yields about 28 tons of tubers under average conditions and 1 ton of tubers yields some 19 gallons of alcohol... That yield per acre seems a bit too good to be true. Does anyone know the true figure? Marc de Piolenc Hi Marc A US figure says 20 gallons per ton, Stephen Mathewson says 25 gallons per ton. North Carolina Cooperative Extension Service gives a yield of 5 to 7 tons per acre in North Carolina. In variety trials in Minnesota yields ranged from 9791 to 34503 lb/acre. A Canadian source says Production per hectare is some 200 to 250 quintals of tubers and the same quantity of green stalks. What's a quintal? I have two definitions: (1) 100lb, (2) 100 kg. Maybe this would be kg, since it quotes hectares? I think Canada uses the metric system. Americans are about the only ones that use the american system?!? Just wonder when we are going to learn the metric system better. ;-) The stalks are used as forage and contain a high concentration of soluble sugars and high moisture content. This is what Mathewson says: Jerusalem artichokes deserve special mention as a source of alcohol because they contain between 16-18% fermentable material. In addition, the starches present can be converted without the use of malt or enzymes if cooked for a sufficient length of time. A ton should yield about 25 gallons of alcohol. To prepare artichokes for fermentation, they should be crushed to a pulp and cooked for 2-3 hours. If the starch test (described in Chapter 7) indicates that some unconverted starch is still present, conversion with small amounts of either malt or enzyme might be needed. Shorter cooking times are possible if a greater amount of malt or enzyme is used. For example, a 30 minute cooking time should be sufficient with a conversion using 3-6% malt or the equivalent amount of enzyme. Dilution is not necessary because the root usually contains 79-80% water. After cooking, the pH is adjusted and fermentation commenced in the usual manner. - Chapter 10, The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson. See biofuels Library, full text online: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html It's an interesting crop. It's 100% starchless. The principal storage carbohydrate is inulin rather than starch and the sugar is levulose. It's a sort of sunflower, grows very easily in most soils and most climates, likes sunshine, likes organic matter (compost), grows like mad and smothers out weed competition, and doesn't get diseases. It can be hard to eradicate though. hope this helps Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, top o' the weekend to you Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't unsubscribe and kept sending please unsuscribe me [sic] notes to the list. I am sorry that my message got you flammed Mr Addison. But, how do we know that it wasn't someone that was trying to be an idiot, or pulling a prank to start with. What i mean is, people send emails everyday that go along the lines of, if you don't send this to 50 million others, you will be cursed for life. I have been deleting these type of emails for the past 10 years now that I have been around the internet. (ok, so I am exagerating here a bit, but it still proves my point, i think). Any ways, like I said, maybe it was someone just trying to be a pain, or someone that likes the attention of the way that Ms Miller had just received. Its a weird and complicated world out there sometimes. ;-) Just my 2 cents if anyone really cares. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] converting a chainsaw
You can't run a 2 stroke on straight alcohol or gasoline. Tends to do bad things inside of the engine. Of course they run really good for about 10 minutes, but then that is it and you either A, have to replaced the engine, or B, buy a new chain saw. ;-) As far as a 4 stroke, you would need bigger jets to run the alcohol vs gasoline. Otherwise, you have a saw that runs really lean and well, it won't last long like that either... Just my 2 cents.. Jeremy --- Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone would want to convert a gasoline chainsaw to a biofuel, how could this be done? Could you use Ethanol? Can you use Ethanol at 100%? Does it matter if it is a two-stroke or a four-stroke? Could you use Methanol? Can you use Methanol at 100% ... TIA, Michael Dewolf __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alecs Kac working schematic
Talk about a bad day? ;-) --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DHHH DUH sorry all, made a typo on the url. Ian http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/react1a.jpg __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Model Engines
Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a working model of a diesel engine? I want to use the engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in demonstrations and also be able to do some testing with it. Any information would be appreciated. Also, the less expensive, the better. ;-) Thanks in advance. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unsubscribe.
Well, i did it.. I emailed the unsubscribe email address and what do you know.. It unsubscribed me. Cut and paste this email address and you will be unsubscribed also!.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Pat Moira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No longer interested in these e-mails. Please unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where?
I guess I should say, that Ford used to make them in escorts and tempos. My bro has a tempo diesel, and a friend of mine has an escort diesel. I think maybe the area of the 80's. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info... never heard of tempo or escorts in diesel formulas, but I saw a chevy silverado pickup on the highway the other day. I wonder why they're so hard to find: either they are crap, and break (junkyard time) or their owners are joyus with a 100% reliable, fuel-efficient vehicle... Thanks for the info, it does help. If anyone is selling a diesel in the Atlanta area for a purty good price, please let me know... -JIM In a message dated 5/7/2001 1:52:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ford makes an Escort and Tempo Diesel cars. Ford also makes a power stroke. Dodge has the cummins diesel. Chevy also has a small diesel pickup, (older models), but don't remember the names or what years they where made.. Hope this at least helps some. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where?
Funny...I know of a diesel tempo that has been driven over 15,000 miles a year without any problems at all... have driven several types of diesel vehicles and I can assure you guys that with American vehicles you have two levels of priorities. If your goal is to enhance your chances of reaching your destination while driving the auto, then choose a chevy, ford, or dodge truck. If your goal is to boast that you own a diesel vehicle and it gets great fuel mileage, (running or not) then choose an escort, olds. 88, or any of the other fine automobiles. Of course I'm not saying that you wont get lucky and find a car or truck that actually runs most of the time without faults, but your chances are better with the diesel guzzling truck. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] please unsunscribe me
spell unsubscribe right and it wouldn't be a problem. Neat thing about the computer is a copy and paste feature. It works well. --- marie miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have now tried three times to unsuscribe to this without being successfuly. When I send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] groups.com,it says that it cannot find such a group. I see that many people are having the same problem Could the moderator of this group please look into this and see if perhaps the address we are being given is not correct? From: sarah momsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] please unsunscribe me Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:03:24 -0700 (PDT) please unsubscribe me from this group it is too many posts to keep up with thank you sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where?
Ford makes an Escort and Tempo Diesel cars. Ford also makes a power stroke. Dodge has the cummins diesel. Chevy also has a small diesel pickup, (older models), but don't remember the names or what years they where made.. Hope this at least helps some. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know which models of american cars/trucks have diesels? All I know right now are some mercedes and Volkswagens out there... I want to purchase one (used) but I don't know what makes to look for! And why are they so rare? Do people not like mileage? ARG. thanks, -JIM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
