Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are told about?
The Martins Creek plant is on the Delaware River in Lower Mount Bethel Township, Northampton County, about 15 miles north of Easton, Pa. The plant has two coal-fired generating units, each with a capacity of 150,000 kilowatts. The plant also has two units which can be fueled by either natural gas or oil, with a total generating capacity of 1,592,000 kilowatts. I would think the obvious answer is that it's running on natural gas or oil through a pipeline. bob allen wrote: http://www.newhopepa.com/DelawareRiver/port_jervis_bristol_2.htm How about keeping an open mind Bob. I try, but I also try to guard against gullibility. Here is a link to a couple of spills of fly ash related material from the Martin creek plant. Oh, I guess they could be importing fly ash from some other plant to fake the spills to throw us all off... http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b4_3pplfolo-1aug16,0,6175405.story If it looks like a coal fired plant, and spills like a coal fired plant, then the the simplest explanation is that it is in fact a coal fired plant. http://www.pplweb.com/community+partners/our+education+programs/directions+to+ppl+facilities.htm Maybe some intrepid soul could go check it out first hand: Martins Creek Plant From points south (Easton): Take Route 611 North to the traffic signal in the village of Martins Creek. Turn right, continuing on Route 611. Travel another mile on Route 611. At the top of the hill, veer off Route 611 by continuing straight ahead onto the Martins Creek/Belvidere Highway. Drive another 3 miles. Turn right onto Foul Rift Road (there is a yellow farmhouse on the right). This road will lead you to the plant. At the Y in the road after the Tekening hiking trailhead, make a right to head toward the parking lots. You may park in the stone lot to the right or in the main parking lot to the left and proceed to the guardhouse. Workshops are held in the second-floor conference room at the power plant. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Stuck in Connecticut with no Diesel - impromptu blending
What's RUG? (regular unleaded?) Mike Weaver wrote: Had an interesting experience in Conn. on Rte 95 coming home from Maine this year. I was trying to make New Jersey, where diesel was 2.79, but finally got so on fuel low I decided to just go ahead and buy a tankful in Conn. Pulled into two places advertising diesel and found one closed and one out. Next stop same story. Car was well into the red and the fuel light had been on for a while. As I didn't fancy being stuck in 100 degree heat with no fuel, I pulled into a Shaw's, bought 2 gallons of cheap veg. oil and poured it in the tank. I added about 15% RUG and 5% pure Isoprop. to the oil. I figure there may have been anywhere from half a gallon to a gallon and a half of diesel in left in the tank. This brought the gauge back up to 1/8th full, and by slowing down to around 60 mph I got to NJ and filled it. The car ran fine - couldn't see any difference. I'd read quite a bit about blending but had been leery of trying it - especially on a new car. I've though about trying it on a used MB 5 banger, or running a 50-50 mix. Anyone else have any experience with it? -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Batch next week
Anyone in the Chicago area brewing a batch next week? A friend of mine up near lincolnshire wants to watch someone do a batch and learn from it. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] American diesels
My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars. The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels. Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range. Mark *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jan Warnqvist *Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:46 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] American diesels Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ? Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY
McMaster sells a CI one. They have a bunch of different models. 4563K63 Motionless Mixing Tee 125 PSI, 1 NPT Female In stock at $54.23 Each JJJN wrote: Hello Citando, I sent you a schematic and after reading this you should understand the benefits. This is all based on experience. I just made a 100 Liter batch and the color was so light it looks like virgin oil, It separated in COLD water on the first mix in under a minute. was clear as crystal on the 4th wash. Keep in mind this is not changing the way any JtF procedures are done, It is just an enhancement. use it where you are but don't start on the acid base start at the beggining. See below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
It's just a press release. Doesn't mean anything. Just something to get people to invest in the company. Brigid Quinn, replying to Park for the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, said, We do not give patents on perpetual motion machines. That this patent was granted means it met the criteria that it is new, useful, and non-obvious, and fully disclosed as to how it works. Never said that it's true and it works. Just because it meets the patent offices requirements doesn't mean anything. Hell, what was the company that invented the Buy It Now button that Amazon is getting sued over. MK DuPree wrote: Bob, what do you think after reading this: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/mills.htm ??? Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water Howdy D, you seem to accept that the hydrino is real; that is, that Mills has discovered a new form of matter- hydrogen with a never before seen energy state below the know ground state. Well I'm going to hold my breath in anticipation. what is your prediction as to when we will be powering the world? or even making the meter at his lab run backwards? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Tiny Reactor Boosts Biodiesel Production
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/04/19/ap2681244.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
Original Message Subject:[IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ip@v2.listbox.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Tim Finin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT To: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many more difficulties ahead before things get better. -- THE IRAN PLANS Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb? Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted 2006-04-10 http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former American military and intelligence officials said that Air Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, planned for this spring, to enrich uranium. ... A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do, and that saving Iran is going to be his legacy. One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government. He added, I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, 'What are they smoking?' ... http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact - You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Dedicated to the Victims of 9/11*** A MUST SEE!***
One thing that has concerned me for some time is the gov't increasing reliance on outside contracts for many parts of the military and intelligence. During the war they had contractors refusing to delivery supplies because of the dangers. Could a soldier get away with that. There's a lot of money to be made during war time. I wouldn't put it past someone to misplace key pieces of information. Eisenhower said it very well in his speech. We need to be careful of the Military Industrial Complex. Zeke Yewdall wrote: While I don't doubt that certain elements within the US government would wish 9/11 to happen, I find it hard to believe that the CIA is competent enough to pull it off. A far more logical answer is that we were attacked by Bin Laden because we were too incompetent or arrogant to protect ourselves (after he gave us many warnings...) Don't assign to malevolency what could be explained by mere incompetence. On 3/22/06, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute you mean somone with a video camera and some video editing software believes there might be a widespread consipiracy involving 9/11? Actually, on a completely different note, I saw an enhanced version of the zapruder film the other day where it looks VERY MUCH like Kennedy was shot by the driver of his car I personally believe there's a conspiracy to convince people there's a conspiracy to keep americans from knowing what the truth actually is...which I believe is somewhere in the field between full blown conspiracy and complete accident. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] crystal sponge hydrogen breakthrough
But the material is not quite ready for market: The high storage densities are so far possible only at -321 degrees Fahrenheit. Yaghi said he was optimistic that is only temporary given that so many MOF variations are possible and have yet to be tested. AltEnergyNetwork wrote: ‘Crystal sponge’ a hydrogen breakthrough? - Researchers say it nearly triples storage capacity http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11761455/ In what could be a breakthrough on the road to a pollution-free hydrogen economy, researchers say they have developed a crystal sponge material that can store nearly three times more hydrogen than any other known substance. Obstacles to mass market vehicles that some day run on hydrogen include storage capacity. Test cars that use hydrogen in fuel cells to create an electric propulsion system now get just 150 miles or so on a tank the same size as those in gasoline cars, which can travel 300 or 400 miles on a tank. Chemists at UCLA and the University of Michigan claim their material is the first to achieve the kind of storage capacities required to make hydrogen fuel practical. They are publishing their findings in late March in the Journal of the American Chemical Society. The material was developed by UCLA chemist Omar Yaghi, who described it as just one in a large class of compounds he invented in the early 1990s http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11761455/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
Depends. Supermarket filtered by the gallon probably runs around $2/gallon. Name brand around $4/gallon to $20/gallon. Home delivered 5 gallon jugs ~$1.80/gallon Same company 24 .5L is $2.20/gallon Hakan Falk wrote: Question is how much does a gallon of bottled water cost in US? Hakan At 19:59 09/03/2006, you wrote: Here's a better one (more current and longer time range) http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gas1.htmlhttp://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gas1.html Joe Jeromie Reeves wrote: Are you serious? N. America has cheap fuel? Please show me this cheap fuel as I pay WAY more for a gallon of gas then I do a gallon of bottled water. Jeromie Andrew Netherton wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
If you exclude state and fed taxes water is much more valuable than gas. I think gas is 2.39 around me today. Find a spring, put it into a fancy bottle and your rich. Hakan Falk wrote: That means that bottled water is more expensive than gasoline, as I understand, http://www.bairdpetro.com/gasoline_prices/index.htmhttp://www.bairdpetro.com/gasoline_prices/index.htm @ $1.453 per gallon. So, what was wrong with the original statement? Nothing as I understand it. Hakan At 21:25 09/03/2006, you wrote: Depends. Supermarket filtered by the gallon probably runs around $2/gallon. Name brand around $4/gallon to $20/gallon. Home delivered 5 gallon jugs ~$1.80/gallon Same company 24 .5L is $2.20/gallon Hakan Falk wrote: Question is how much does a gallon of bottled water cost in US? Hakan At 19:59 09/03/2006, you wrote: Here's a better one (more current and longer time range) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Kids Build Soybean-Fueled Car
pretty light on details. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/17/eveningnews/main1329941.shtml ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Iraq Pre-War Intelligence
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/wilkerson.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Annexing Khuzestan; battle-plans for Iran
One disturbing article I saw was about China. They've decided to stop buying so much US debt and diversify their holdings. What happens when we can't sell our debt? Also, the US foreign policy is losing ground to China. Their making friends/alliances with many more countries than we are. Bush is hostile to any country that doesn't want to bend over to the US. Axis of Evil. Look at Iran. From everything I've read they are in full compliance with the nuke treaty even if Bush says their not. Another is the gov't unlimited spending spree. Since Bush has been in office the national debt has increased $3T. Our debt to gdp ratio is somewhere around 71%, while EU is around 63%. EU has just as many purchasers as the US does. It's only going to get worse. Who's going to pay for all of these wounded soldiers coming back who are going to need long term or life long care? This war is costing us a hell of a lot more than they'll admit, but no one seems to care. Tom Irwin wrote: Hello Hakan and All, Thank you for the explanation. I had wondered for many years how the U.S. was able to maintain such large trade imbalances. Will there not be a huge econonic downturn globally if the U.S. economy fails? Who is going to buy all those gadgets and other products. A drop in U.S. external consumption of 25 or 50% would harm a lot of corporations. Are the rest of the worlds currencies ready to expand to fill the gap? I dont think so. What you foresee is not a gradual shift but an outright disaster. Interesting, Im glad I have my farm. I wont starve and I grow my own energy. Ive already traded most of my dollars for real things. Others would do well to return to the land. Of course, were going to have to hide pretty well cause theres a lot of guns out there to say nothing about all the nukes. Ive never been very good at being someone elses slave. How long do you think weve got. Two to five years perhaps? Tom Irwin From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:24:17 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annexing Khuzestan; battle-plans for Iran US is totally in the hands of "friendly" oil nations, who demands payment in dollar, which means that the whole world have to buy dollar to get oil. Unfortunately, US have no longer a security base for its currency and instead built an enormous foreign debt by imported goods from other countries. The world is also dependent of getting dollar for their oil use. It is a situation that is inherited from the time when US was the major oil exporter and built their former economic strength by oil exports. The situation is now difficult, because the only reason for a country to hold dollar, is the need to buy oil. This way, the oil countries are holding enormous amounts of dollar and have to invest them in the US or use them to buy from other nations, who need them to buy oil. This way the dollar is he only world currency and based on oil. It is no wonder, that oil producers fell a need of diversifying and will want to use Euro instead, this since Euro is based on a more loosely base of countries and therefore somewhat stronger in its base. If you take away the oil trade, the dollar have no base and will collapse totally. US will be called on their enormous foreign debt and since the demand of dollar no longer is there, the whole US economy will collapse with the dollar. US will be forced to do repeated devaluations, which only give short term effects and the living standard will be hurt. US products will not be able to compete, without further devaluations and US started a financial spin that only will end with chaos in the society. With the unbalanced income structure in the US, it will be a very large part of the population that will be very poor and with too low purchase power to survive. This will in its turn cause an enormous social unrest and nobody can imagine where this will end. Many of the countries in Latino America will suffer even worse, but will turn to trade with Europe in Euro. This will also lessen the demand of dollar and those who have dollar based economies, have to shift to Euro based economies. The whole base for US influence in the world will shift and it is not surprising that US is willing to fight for its existence. The question is, if it is not already too late for US anyway and if they with military means can build an empire that is large enough. Historically, it has never been done before, the Germans thought that they could built a 1,000 years Reich, but it was not feasible. This especially since US at some point must turn against Europe, Russia and China. US is too late, because they do not have energy resources enough to wage wars in a larger scale, other than a suicide war that ends with nearly total destruction of the world. Hakan At 20:02 02/02/2006, you wrote: Keith Addison wrote:
[Biofuel] BioPerformance
Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://onedollargaspill.com/ http://greengenie.mybpbiz.com/%5Cindex.asp?pgid=4 http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Consumer/BioPerformance_Gives_Americans_Trucking_Companies_Airlines_and_Everyone_Using_Gas_or_Diesel_Fuels_50776.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioPerformance
The main site has scam written all over it. Sounds like if anything it's just a fuel injector cleaner. bob allen wrote: no, but I would bet dollars to donuts it's all BS. caveat emptor Marty Phee wrote: Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://onedollargaspill.com/ http://greengenie.mybpbiz.com/%5Cindex.asp?pgid=4 http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Consumer/BioPerformance_Gives_Americans_Trucking_Companies_Airlines_and_Everyone_Using_Gas_or_Diesel_Fuels_50776.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Legal FAQs on NSA Wiretaps]
Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Swire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 27, 2006 5:24:54 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Legal FAQs on NSA Wiretaps Dave: I have written “Legal FAQs on NSA Wiretaps.” It just went up at www.americanprogress.org/FAQswiretaps and www.peterswire.net. There is a short executive summary, and also more detailed QAs. The intent is to write for a smart lay audience, and not only for lawyers. The hope is to update over time. It reaches very different conclusions from the “Myths and Realities about NSA Wiretaps” that the Justice Department posted today. Best, Peter Prof. Peter P. Swire C. William O'Neill Professor Moritz College of Law of the Ohio State University Visiting Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress (240) 994-4142, www.peterswire.net ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [local-b100-biz] Interesting possible ramifications for Biodiesel producers]
They seem to have formulated an approach that uses biodiesel production byproduct glycerol to make gas which is then used to make Hydrogen, and is then used to make power. http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/4/6/74902264.html The company opted to use glycerol, a byproduct from the production of biodiesel, as the source rather than a corn-based sugar, Apfelbach said. The system uses natural gas briefly to start the four-cylinder engine, the same kind found in a Ford Focus. The engine then provides the heat to enable the chemical process that creates a hydrogen gas that in turn runs the engine and delivers power to the grid. It's really a hydrogen or fuel gas generator that is much more efficient and emissions-friendly than anything that's available, he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp Michael Redler wrote: Appropriate technologies as a philosophy can benefit anyone, anywhere. I received this from my uncle today: Zero Gravity *When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ball-point pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside-down, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil. Your taxes are due again--enjoy paying** **them. * Perhaps I'm reading too much into this and should see it simply as an observation about common sense (or the lack thereof). :-) Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
Very true, but wouldn't they be signing a contract with Citgo and not Venezuela. Greg and April wrote: IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil by Jessica Pupovac (bio) As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to benefit low-income people. Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget shortfalls. In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards. But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation. According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez, the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the discount offer. In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month, and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for passengers paying cash. This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me, said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of residents live below the federally recognized poverty level - currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the majority of the time. Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public transportation. I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed. I already see no money at the end of the month. The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households slated to benefit from the plan. This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. -- Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10 million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine, Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania. However, in all of Illinois, only about 12,000 households use heating oil. So instead of fuel for heat, Citgo representatives offered the CTA a 40-50 percent discount on diesel fuel for buses to benefit Chicagoans most in need of relief from soaring oil and gas prices this winter. We didn't know how else to reach enough people, said Consul Sanchez. Another difference between the Chicago offer and the programs enacted in the Northeast is that Citgo proposed to work with a government agency, rather than nonprofit organizations. The CTA relies on the US federal government - which is in a constant war of words with Venezuelan President Chavez - for much of its funding. In fact, just weeks after Citgo made its offer to the CTA, Congress signed the Federal Transportation Appropriations bill,
[Biofuel] How long can WVO sit before transesterification
My friend has probably a couple hundred gallons sitting around right now. He was in the hospital for a while and can't process it. Also, given we're in chicago and the weather is kind of cold. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How long can WVO sit before transesterification
Since it's been so cold I haven't been worried, but he wanted me to ask. If it warms I would think it could go rancid. What effect would that have on the process? Mike Weaver wrote: I've kept it around a good long time and used it with no problems. I wonder if it molds? Marty Phee wrote: My friend has probably a couple hundred gallons sitting around right now. He was in the hospital for a while and can't process it. Also, given we're in chicago and the weather is kind of cold. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bush takes blame for Iraq war on bad intelligence
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051214/pl_nm/iraq_bush_dc Didn't the CIA tell him the intelligence was based on two proven fabricators? "In fact, Secretary Powell was not told that one of the sources he was given as a source of this information had indeed been flagged by the Defense Intelligence Agency as a liar, a fabricator," says David Kay, who served as the CIA's chief weapons inspector in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. That source, an Iraqi defector who had never been debriefed by the CIA, was known within the intelligence community as "Curveball." http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/ http://snipurl.com/k3c1 RollingStone.com: The Man Who Sold the War . . . Strapped to the polygraph machine was Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, a forty-three-year-old Iraqi who had fled his homeland in Kurdistan and was now determined to bring down Saddam Hussein. For hours, as thin mechanical styluses traced black lines on rolling graph paper, al-Haideri laid out an explosive tale. Answering yes and no to a series of questions, he insisted repeatedly that he was a civil engineer who had helped Saddam's men to secretly bury tons of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. The illegal arms, according to al-Haideri, were buried in subterranean wells, hidden in private villas, even stashed beneath the Saddam Hussein Hospital, the largest medical facility in Baghdad. It was damning stuff -- just the kind of evidence the Bush administration was looking for. If the charges were true, they would offer the White House a compelling reason to invade Iraq and depose Saddam. That's why the Pentagon had flown a CIA polygraph expert to Pattaya: to question al-Haideri and confirm, once and for all, that Saddam was secretly stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. There was only one problem: It was all a lie. After a review of the sharp peaks and deep valleys on the polygraph chart, the intelligence officer concluded that al-Haideri had made up the entire story, apparently in the hopes of securing a visa. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Just a go$%!mned piece of paper...]
Original Message Subject:[IP] Just a go$%!mned piece of paper... Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:12:47 -0500 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ip@v2.listbox.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: geoff goodfellow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: December 10, 2005 2:19:18 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Just a go$%!mned piece of paper... Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' By DOUG THOMPSON Dec 9, 2005, 07:53 Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act. Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. I don't give a goddamn, Bush retorted. I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way. Mr. President, one aide in the meeting said. There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution. Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, Bush screamed back. It's just a goddamned piece of paper! --snip-- http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml - You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html Ken Riznyk wrote: Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
If after making the proper adjustments, we cannot achieve a 50% increase in mileage over the baseline mileage figures, *the Hydrogen-Boost system is yours free of charge*. However if we achieve over 50% increase in mileage you agree to *pay double *the regular prices. I'm guessing the person won't gamble $1500 (cost of the unit looks like $7500. Greg and April wrote: And just how long do they have to make the adjustments? Greg H. - Original Message - *From:* john owens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2005 13:45 *Subject:* [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power I dono if this is realy related to truckers using hydrogen but this website http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/ claims to increase milage on cars by 50% they will also instal units and if with the right adjusments they cant give a 50% increase in milage they will give you the unit free. John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
I have a CRD. From the factory it comes with B5. I have run B11 without problems. Unfortuantly they don't sell any blends near me so I don't get to run it very often. This is my first diesel. My friend and I are getting ready to make our own bio soon. He has an F-250. Andy Karpay wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Anyone using Magnasol?
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Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
I'm leaning toward a hoax as well. Anytime I hear something about Russian scientists... Same guys that claim to find unlimited oil if you drill to 40k feet? bob allen wrote: I live a couple of hours from the New Madrid Fault. I will let you know if hear a rumble. (my take is it is a hoax) Brian Rodgers wrote: Anybody else seen this? What is your take on it? Brian Rodgers September 15, 2005 http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index822.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Can this man save the world? (Hydrogen injection)
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Re: [Biofuel] Lessons from Katrina --eye opener
How about another perspective... http://thislife.org/ Listen to After the flood. It's long, 60min The one women there has a very different story, but I believe she was at the convention center. I have a real problem with this line. “in that place 98 per cent of the people were bad.” So, 98% of the poor blacks there are criminals? Does that include the children and elderly? I also have a real problem with the pictures just showing looters stealing un-necessaries, while many were stealing food, water, medical supplies just to survive. Who even caries if the stole beer and cloths. 99% of that will be written off as damaged anyways. Kirk McLoren wrote: WARNING: This e-mail has been altered by MIMEDefang. Following this paragraph are indications of the actual changes made. For more information about your site's MIMEDefang policy, contact MIMEDefang Administrator's Full Name [EMAIL PROTECTED]. For more information about MIMEDefang, see: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3 An attachment named American Renaissance News Africa in our Midst Lessons from Katrina.url was removed from this document as it constituted a security hazard. If you require this document, please contact the sender and arrange an alternate means of receiving it. Eye-opener as to what really went on in New Orleans: http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/africa_in_our_m.php Australian tourists stuck in the Superdome had the same experience. Bud Hopes, a 32-year-old man from Kangaroo Point, Brisbane, took control and may have saved many lives. As the stadium reverted to anarchy he realized whites were in danger, and gathered tourists together for safety. “There were 65 of us altogether so we were able to look after each other, especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened,” said Mr. Hopes. They organized escorts for women who had to go to the toilet or for food, and set up a roster of men to stand guard while others slept. “We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning,” Mr. Hopes said. “Ninety-eight percent of the people around the world are good,” he said; “in that place 98 per cent of the people were bad.” __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Wouldn't a variable displacement engine work best. Say a 2+ liter 4 cylinder where 2 cylinders can be turned off at speed. Dodge is doing this in their trucks with v8's. A BMW mechanic behind me told me that BMW makes an engine with variable compression. The head move in/out to change the compression ratio. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Are we comparing exactly the same weight/aerodynamics/rolling resistance car here, with just different powered engines? Or complete different cars like a metro, corolla, and a ferarri. I think for otherwise identical cars, a medium sized engine (but smaller than what most cars come with nowdays) will get better mileage, because it can accellerate fast enough to get out of the fuel dumping acceleration, and into more fuel efficient cruising faster. But if it's to large, it's less efficient at cruising speed because of low part load efficiency. And if it's too small, it it always trying futiley to accellerate, instead of cruising. Also, due to real fixed ratio transmissions, a less powerful engine may spend more time at a higher RPM, where the fuel efficiency in grams/kWh is less, whereas a higher power engine could downshift sooner. There is also the human factor, that a more powerful car will entice lead footedness and speeding, and thus get worse gas mileage than an underpowered car that you just accept your slowness On 9/13/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (theoretically) True (IMHO) Engine efficiency and engine size are almost mutually exclusive (very few things are perfectly scalable). If your throttle control is nothing more than a request for more or less power AND there is a correlation between a demand for power and a demand for fuel AND the thermal efficiency of the two engines are the same, why not? The only note I would make is repeating Kirk's point, that the characteristics of the engine requires the operator to take full advantage of the engines ideal running conditions. Of course, this too is debatable because of the number of variables. However, I think that semantics aside, the other factors are negligible. Mike Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fuel efficiency of an engine is not a constant. At high throttle settings economy is sacrificed for power. ie the grams of fuel used per horsepower hour increases. That is why infinite ratio transmissions would be worthwhile. And ideally - lossless. At low loads the fixed burden of the engine becomes significant. Most diesels look best around 70% of design max. Kirk Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True or False Underpowered vehicles can be just as inefficient as overpowered vehicles. Why or why not? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] FEMA Had Authority to Act, even without Emergency Declaration]
Original Message Subject:[IP] FEMA Had Authority to Act, even without Emergency Declaration Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:13:41 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ip Ip ip@v2.listbox.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 13, 2005 12:35:45 PM EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IP] FEMA Had Authority to Act, even without Emergency Declaration Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would encourage all IPers to listen to the complete program that this snippet is from... the audio will go live this weekend on http://thislife.org or people can use the very helpful http://www.publicradiofan.com/ to find a station that will air the program at a time they can listen (and in a format they can listen in). Lessig posted about this program and I have to agree that it is jaw-droppingly revealing (people trying to leave the city being shot at by crazed cops, etc.): http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003124.shtml This American Life's episode this week, After the Flood, is an extraordinary collection of stories from New Orleans. Most extraordinary among the lot was the clear picture it gave of the work by some bit of government down there to forbid people from leaving the city. The story is told by a group of paramedics at a convention in New Orleans; it is about the force used to keep them (and others) from leaving. However outrageous not being prepared was, however insane was the delay in reaction, this, imho, is the worst. Listen. -Joe On 9/13/05, David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: John Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 13, 2005 5:08:31 AM EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [For IP] FEMA Had Authority to Act, even without Emergency Declaration For IP, if appropriate. It's a transcript of the prologue from last weekend's public radio program This American Life. http:// thislife.org. Ira Glass: OK, in the coming weeks and months we're all going to be hearing so much about hurricane Katrina, and why the government's response was so abysmal. And already the blame shifting is like this prize fight that's already in it's third or fourth round. Already we've heard officials try to shrug off any attempts of accountability by saying it's too soon, by saying we're not going to play the blame game. And before the million details, and arguments and counter arguments start to make all of our heads woozy, I would just like to repeat here, something that was talked about very briefly this week. One of those things that seems so fundamental, that seems to cut through a lot this supposed debate that's happening and end it definitively. So much so that when I would see people on TV posturing and trotting out the talking points, I kept wanting to go back and say Nonononono, don't forget this thing. It has to do with the biggest argument out there right now. Whether the federal government was in fact supposed to be in charge of rescuing people and getting food and water and all that to New Orleans. It's come up a lot, like when the head of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff was asked by Tim Russert on Meet the Press, Since you knew the storm was coming, why didn't you get buses and trains and planes and trucks in there to evacuate? Chertoff...said it wasn't his job. Chertoff: Tim, the the way that, that that emergency operations act under, under the law is, the responsibility, and the, the uh power, the authority rests with the state and local officials. Glass: This idea, that it was state and local officials who were the ones who blew it, not the feds, this idea is all over place. From the talking heads on TV, to Rush Limbaugh: Limbaugh: What we had down there was eminent failure of state and local government. We had incompetence in the mayor's office, incompetence in the governor's office. Glass: And sure, it is clear, even this early, that there are plenty of things that state and local government did to screw things up. But here's this thing that I read this week, this thing that I kept thinking about all week. It really comes down to a couple of basic facts. The governor of Louisiana declares a state of emergency, the Friday before the storm hits, right? Calls on the federal government to step in. Then President Bush officially declares a state of emergency in Louisiana, the next day, Saturday before the storm, and authorizes the Federal Emergency Management Agency to act. You can read the paper where he does this on the White House website. Basically, that should have settled who was in charge. Nicholson: After that happened, there was plenty of authority. There was all the authority in the world. Glass: We checked it out this idea that, from that point, the federal
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] This explains it]
Original Message Subject:[IP] This explains it Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:00:13 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ip Ip ip@v2.listbox.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Ted Dolotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 13, 2005 3:47:13 PM EDT To: IP List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: This explains it Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ROBERTSON BLAMES HURRICANE ON CHOICE OF ELLEN DEGENERES TO HOST EMMYS Lesbian is New Orleans native Hollywood, CA - Pat Robertson on Sunday said that Hurricane Katrina was God's way of expressing its anger at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for its selection of Ellen Degeneres to host this year's Emmy Awards. By choosing an avowed lesbian for this national event, these Hollywood elites have clearly invited God's wrath, Robertson said on The 700 Club on Sunday. Is it any surprise that the Almighty chose to strike at Miss Degeneres' hometown? Robertson also noted that the last time Degeneres hosted the Emmys, in 2001, the September 11 terrorism attacks took place shortly before the ceremony. http://datelinehollywood.com/archives/2005/09/05/robertson-blames- hurricane-on-c hoice-of-ellen-deneres-to-host-emmys/ - You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor
PVC will get soft as it's heated. Take this into account. I'm not sure how much heat is required though. I've seen people bend and stretch PVC using steam or propane torch. Also, PVC gives off dioxin when it burns. JJJN wrote: I may be getting in the middle here but FYI I just purchased some 8 Dia. Sch 40 PVC. It holds roughly 2.5 gallons per foot. they make a very nice concentric reducer glue fitting for the bottom that can be threaded to your choice of sizes. The Wall Thickness is heavy enough you can drill and tap side fittings for your pump/gage taps etc. you can get a tee with clean out also. 2 part marine (putty stick) sticks real well to if you prep with sand paper. I am making mine about 10 gallons each and making dual reactors with one wash tub. the pipe is about 5-6 bucks a foot and fittings run about 20 bucks each. Wisdom to all, Jim David Thornton wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN
Wouldn't putting in a sub-division or office park have the same effect on the wind as turbines do? Darryl McMahon wrote: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really bored out of town this week so I watched TV. The most interesting thing I could find was a Rep from Maryland was speaking about Alternative fuels on C-Span. He made an interesting argument for alternatives. I was sorely disappointed that he did not mention or even list Biodiesel as an alternative fuel. There were 25 Million gallons of Biodiesel in US commercial production not counting private in 2004. I am currently reading Greg Pahls book _BIODIESEL - growing a new energy economy_ which contains some very forward looking information. The bottom line here is a question - Why is this source so ignored when it produces over 3 gallons for every one expended? Could be that the major oil companies, who own the current U.S. administration, don't control the production of biodiesel, and therefore wish to suppress it. Oops, I think my cynicism is showing. What do you folks see as the top 10 replacement fuels and in what order. Currently hydrogen is right next to coal on my list as we must burn so much coal to use this clean fuel Here's my top ten - it's energy sources, more or less, rather than fuels. 1) Negawatts (efficiency, conservation). 2) Low-tech solar. 3) Low-tech geothermal (berming, ground/water-coupled heat pumps). 4) Wind. 5) Biodiesel, SVO. 6) Ethanol. 7) Hydro. 8) Photovoltaics. 9) Wood. 10) Methane. Ok one last question about wind farms. I told someone that wind farms have the _potential_ of changing the weather if there is enough energy extracted. I was laughed at and got that look _Now I did say potentia_l. The laws of thermodynamics say so. So can any one share some more insight to this potential possibility?? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NYTimes.com: The New Prize: Alternative Fuels
When will there be a difinitive answer to whether it takes more energy to produce the alchole than you get out of it? I know someone who works at ADM here in IL. I asked him about that and one thing he mentioned is that they're one of the largest co-gen's in the country. One thing that scares me is an article I read by the audubon. http://magazine.audubon.org/incite/incite0408.html Let to the editor about the article http://magazine.audubon.org/letter/letter0412.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fyi BUSINESS | September 10, 2005 The New Prize: Alternative Fuels By DANNY HAKIM The nation's roads are a moving laboratory of alternatives to gasoline combustion engines, often being driven by average Americans, if in small numbers. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/business/10alternative.html?ex=1127016000en=8b229bd414989c6cei=5070emc=eta1 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Oil shale
While we were trying to do the math, O'Connor told us the answers. Upwards of a million barrels an acre, a billion barrels a square mile. And the oil shale formation in the Green River Basin, most of which is in Colorado, covers more than a thousand square miles - the largest fossil fuel deposits in the world. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_4051709,00.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina, who's to blame
What's driving me nuts is what means were given to evacuate people? I heard the mayor talking on CNN last night and how he pleaded with people to leave. Did he provide any kind of transportation? The are many dirt poor people in that area that more than likely didn't have the means to move. I had family down there and fortuantly they had the means. Some went to Dallas, others to Mobile and yet some to Atlanta. What about the people who didn't have the means? You can't out walk a hurricane. You also talk about people taking responsibility. I totally agree, but the govt share's in the respect. Why were wet lands allowed to be drained for new developments? Why are new developments allowed built in areas that are know to be problems? Why is it only now that people realize the extent of the disaster? We have the organization, FEMA, who responsibility this is. Something as stupid as relying on cell phones for communications. Hell, I can't even count on my cell phone working in my office let alone in a national disaster. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Keith, I had to read you reply several times, for it to sink in. I am having trouble believing that you could equate the comments being made about New Orleans with people in Bangledesh. As you point out later in your message, New Orleans is in one of the richest countries in the world, where no one has to live in a dangerous area if they choose not to. We have the wealth to move around, even the poorest of us, given enough time. We have plenty of ways of being warned of a coming disaster, we have so many things that the people of Bangledesh don't have, that I don't see the two as equal. As far as I have been able to find out, there were no long lines of hitchhikers trying to leave New Orleans. And yes, I have talked to people that got out. Katrina did visit me, but I was on the fringe so no damage, just much need moisture. If the richest countries do such a poor job of protecting their people, especially their children, then what kind of example do we set? I have been through natural disasters in other places, but I have never been angry with the people before. While I was in New Orleans, the people told us about the city being a giant bath tub that would fill with water, and laughed about it. The city was growing, not shrinking even though they knew they were a disaster waiting to happen. There are many factors that make this disaster very different from others. The human race needs to be much more responsible for their actions. The wealthy among us need to be held even more responsible, since we have a choice. And looking at it from a global view point, that is every person in Canada and the US. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety
They chose a paid consultant to Glaxo to serve with an advisory committee that recommended approval of the drug. Who do you think advises the govt on many critical issues? Many govt organizations who make decisions for us have corporations on the boards. Keith Addison wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates2/lat_lotronex001102.htm Thursday, November 2, 2000 FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety Health: Times study finds officials sided with drug maker on regulatory concerns. Agency reevaluation is underway. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON--In the drug's first eight months on the market, five people who took it died. Several others underwent bowel surgeries--one had a colon removed. A total of 49 patients developed ischemic colitis, a potentially life-threatening complication. As a result, the Food and Drug Administration is now reevaluating the safety of Lotronex, a drug intended to treat women with a nonfatal disorder, irritable bowel syndrome. But a Los Angeles Times investigation of the FDA's handling of Lotronex found that over the last year agency officials repeatedly played down questions about the drug's safety while siding with the manufacturer, Glaxo Wellcome Inc., in important regulatory decisions. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels
What about organic cells? I can't find the website of the company working on them right now, but I believe they were talking well below a $1/watt. I just saw a link that said $0.40/watt. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220005834.htm Joe Street wrote: Yeah but as the story goes it all depends on marketability. The $1.00/Watt barrier is what stands between us and a world of alternative energy. (for some reason people hang on to this idea that everything should be available for as little as possible?? -one of the reasons capitalism is doing what it is doing to the world, but I digress) One important factor is defect density as pointed out in the article. In semiconductor crystals lattice defects act as traps for charge carriers and ruin efficiency. That is why those cheap (well not so cheap actually) amorphous panels you find in stores are only 8 to 10 percent efficient. The defect density in amorphous materials is astronomically high. But amorphous silicon is relatively low cost and lends itself to mass production. The problem is the efficiency is so low it still kills you on the dollars per watt front. BTW in case anyone is considering amorphous panels caveat emptor because the panels initially produce more output and then the UV from the sun degrades the junction and the efficiency drops off. They do eventually stabilize and some manufacturers specify the wattage of the panel at this lower stable level (the reputable ones) and some other less reputable companies rate their panels at the higher output level and then you get a surprise a few months down the road. So don't forget to inquire about this if you buy them. Recently a local company began producing panels using a novel process involving silicon spheres bonded onto a foil substrate which results in a flexible panel and since the spheres are monocrystaline they do not suffer the fate of amorphous cells. The leverage of this idea is that metrological grade silicon (basically ground up leftovers and junk from the silicon industry) can be used to make the silicon balls and thus a huge cost savings results. It is still not below the dollar per watt mark but is a substantially better product for roughly the same money. I should mention that I do have some involvement with this company but do not stand to gain anything. I have no shares nor do any of my family members, I am involved with the research only and I post this for information only. The GaInN process I don't expect will ever be comercially viable unless a way is found to grow the material without the ultra high vacuum process. You never know. However, I think there is the distinct posibility that everything will be turned upside down by the organic semiconductor angle. Just as the photovoltaic application of GaInN was a logical extension of the blue LED technology so I think we will see research in photovoltaics spring from the exploding feild of organic LED's or OLED's These are the super bright whiteLED's that run for ever on little batteries because they have an encredibly high conversion efficiency. These devices are made by entirely different processes and have the potential to be really cheap and mass producible. Hang on to your hats. Joe Manzo, Emil wrote: Hi Joe, thanks for the link. On page 2 it states: Indium gallium nitride solar cells could be made approaching the maximum theoretical efficiencies of better than 70 percent. The article I read centered on the patent of a deposition process. I don't remember the elements used though. Definitely a good read! With RD going on worldwide, there's bound to be more energy breakthroughs in our lifetime. Regards, Emil -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joe Street *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:33 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels I wonder if it had to do with Gallium Indium Nitride? Check this link http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-perfect-solar-cell.html In a nutshell it works by varying the doping level of indium in Gallium Nitride so as to smoothly taper the bandgap of the material from low to high energy. This is a step beyond the multijunction cells which are the highest efficiency (25-35%) and extremely expensive used in the satellite industry. This approach could potentially use a graded profile of indium doping in a stack of junctions so that photons from the entire energy spectrum will find their home at some point within the device. I don't think this approaches 90% (is that an exaggeration) but 75% may be doable. This technique would require an MBE (molecular beam epitaxy) which is a ridiculously expensive ultra high vacuum deposition tool and material growth rates are painfully slow so although it has the potential
[Biofuel] How much?
How much is a bbl of say soy oil or palm oil. I'm not sure where to look online. bbls of this oil are 55gals right? Not the 42gals of crude oil. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Thanks for the info. My friend and I are going to do this. I'd like to start with a proven design and go from there and he has grand plans of how to do everything. I really don't have room to do it and he does so I need to give him leeway in the design. Bob Clark wrote: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? Marty, and all I am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble. In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two waste-oil burners I built (one sixty gallons and one eighty gallons) are only used regularly about four months each year and then sporadically through the rest of the year. But on the other hand, they also take the most abuse and extreme heat conditions. Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News magazine from 1980, so there are a lot of people that have been doing this much longer then I have. My 'experience' only started in 1996. GOOD LUCK and happy fueling. Bob C. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
http://linuxrouter.org/ Greg and April wrote: Perhaps you would like to share the secret with us uninformed. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:09 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft You can make a perfectly decent router/firewall with a 486. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How much?
The price for soy says 23'10. I would assume that's $0.2310/#. Appal Energy wrote: Marty, Commodities such as vegetable oils and animal phats are sold by the pound weight. Search the Chicago Board of Trade for pricing and then convert to gallons using the multiplier of ~7.6#s per gallon. Todd Swearingen Marty Phee wrote: How much is a bbl of say soy oil or palm oil. I'm not sure where to look online. bbls of this oil are 55gals right? Not the 42gals of crude oil. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Water heater
Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There derrivatives of Barrel Oil, have you wondered ?
The reason you pay taxes on gas, diesel or biofuel is for road construction and repair. Hence farmers and off road equipment do not pay taxes on the fuel they use. That's why it's dyed and why you go to jail if found using it on road. Tax evasion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever wondered why all oil companies sell barrel oil at the same price ? Scenario; Could it be that all the oil companies are owned by one parent company? why not most other large companies do the same thing, they will have a offshore corporation who will own an onshore LLC or LTD. The company I work for does the same thing, the parent company is in Sweden where foreign source profits are non-taxable, meanwhile it's workers onshore are the ones paying taxes, certainly not them, but taxes are a different animal for another discussion group. A couple other things I do not understand, one ; if we have gained control of a large infrastucture oil producing country why is the price of gasoline still going so high? Did they do this for that objective ? Last thought.. As supposedly a free country why do we need a license and pay a tax to sell something that comes naturally out of the ground such as biofuel ? It seems that this may be a way to control the cost of that too.Myk HillNorth Carolina ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
There aren't worms and viruses for linux per sa. In order for your linux box to get infected it has to offer services to the outside world and linux (the kernel) doesn't have services (ie: samba for windows interaction, apache for a web server, inetd for telent/ftp...). All those services are addons. Out of the box most distributions are closed to everything from the outside. You can't even ping the server. You have to explicitly turn services on and that's where you get worms. Keep your sevices up to date and you won't have problems. Now viruses. I think of viruses as something coming from an email. All email programs I know of with linux allow you to turn off javascript or don't even support it in email and you can't even execute a program or script that might have come on the email period. In order to execute it you would have to explicitly save it and then mark it as an executable to even run it. Even if you did all of that the worst thing you could do to your machine is wipe out your user id. Unless your running as root, which you absolutely shouldn't, the virus can't infect the computer. Out of the box Windows has many services running, listens on many ports that you don't even know of and most people run as the admin of the computer. Don't even mention IE. Mike Weaver wrote: I assure you that worms and viruses exist for linux. In fact, the first big Internet worm was a unix (almost identical to Linux) worm. Google Robert Morris. Ray J wrote: I have heard of several viruses for Linux and apple stuff Ray J Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi, Friends, It seems to me all of you are intelligent persons, so I wonder why you are using Microsoft bullsh...? As far as it is well known, there is not such animal - virus or worm or Trojan - for Linux! For some time now there are several distribution of Live CD`s, which work even in an empty hard like Knoppix and many others! My OS is Slackware Linux 10.1 and I never had any problems in the net. And it is free of charge. The OppenOffice 1.1.4 office is well ahead of MS office - it opens files no matter which application is involved in the creation ( for example MS office XP can not open document written with MS office 97). Everything can be downloaded free from the net and the distributions are equipped with more than 2000 applications! All you need is to compile idconfig (the network connection) and you are free of problems. Me, personally, I do not have antivirus - I don`t need it. Try Linux! Best - R. Slavov Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myth behind non-taxable, off-road fuel was Re: There derrivatives of Barrel Oil, have you wondered ?
The petroleum distributors claim that it costs approximately $0.25 per gallon to dye the off-road fuel and then carry the two separate inventories. If that's true it's bullshit. I've been to the terminals and worked on their systems. The dye is added at the nozzel going into the truck, not in the storage vessel. There aren't seperated storage tanks for off/on road diesel. Also, there's no way in hell it costs $0.25/gallon. If it did that would be liquid gold given the amount actually added to the fuel. Appal Energy wrote: That's only partially true. Compare the price of off-road and on-road diesel. You'll note that the difference is not the approximate $0.50 in state and federal excise taxes assessed per gallon. It's closer to $0.25 per gallon. The petroleum distributors claim that it costs approximately $0.25 per gallon to dye the off-road fuel and then carry the two separate inventories. While part of that argument holds water, most off-road fuel is sold in bulk quantities by specific distributors, not every island at every fuel depot. Essentially, the tax break the government giveth, the petroleum distributors taketh away. Todd Swearingen Marty Phee wrote: The reason you pay taxes on gas, diesel or biofuel is for road construction and repair. Hence farmers and off road equipment do not pay taxes on the fuel they use. That's why it's dyed and why you go to jail if found using it on road. Tax evasion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever wondered why all oil companies sell barrel oil at the same price ? Scenario; Could it be that all the oil companies are owned by one parent company? why not most other large companies do the same thing, they will have a offshore corporation who will own an onshore LLC or LTD. The company I work for does the same thing, the parent company is in Sweden where foreign source profits are non-taxable, meanwhile it's workers onshore are the ones paying taxes, certainly not them, but taxes are a different animal for another discussion group. A couple other things I do not understand, one ; if we have gained control of a large infrastucture oil producing country why is the price of gasoline still going so high? Did they do this for that objective ? Last thought.. As supposedly a free country why do we need a license and pay a tax to sell something that comes naturally out of the ground such as biofuel ? It seems that this may be a way to control the cost of that too.Myk HillNorth Carolina _ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
