Re: [Biofuel] Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug
//are there still people out there who believe in FDA?\ The world is based on money and greed, Satan favorites', the father of lies and deceit. There are alternatives to the worldly ways. Acts 2:38 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/rezulin/ Los Angeles Times Special Reports: Rezulin Sunday, March 11, 2001 Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug Study: New documents show Warner-Lambert trivialized liver toxicity of diabetes pill Rezulin while seeking federal approval. Inside help from senior regulators is trumpeted in company memos. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON--Executives of the Warner-Lambert Co. brimmed with confidence as they marched the now-discredited diabetes pill Rezulin toward government approval in the mid-1990s. And with good reason, according to newly obtained company and government documents. As portrayed in the records, officials of the Food and Drug Administration provided Warner-Lambert with inside information and favors at critical moments throughout the development and marketing of Rezulin. At least one senior manager believed that if an FDA medical officer who had questioned the drug's safety and effectiveness didn't please the company, he would be out. Soon enough, he was, prompting another executive to report internally that a hurdle had been cleared for Rezulin. The records also shed new light on the state of knowledge within Warner-Lambert of Rezulin's potential danger: Executives knew that patients who took the drug in clinical studies had suffered life-threatening liver damage--yet the company assured an FDA panel that the risk was trivial. The company's assurances helped win swift approval for Rezulin four years ago from the FDA. The drug was withdrawn in March of last year after being cited as the suspect in 391 deaths, including 63 that involved liver failure. Rezulin generated sales of $2.1 billion. The new documents, which have been kept from public view by court orders or by the FDA, were obtained by The Times. The internal memos and e-mails provide an intimate view of how a company seeking a blockbuster drug collaborated closely with the public health agency responsible for ensuring that medicines are proved safe and effective. The FDA's collaborative role with Warner-Lambert began at the same time that the agency was being urged by Congress and the White House to function less as an adversary and more as a partner of the $100-billion pharmaceutical industry. This transformation of the FDA, first evident in the streamlined approvals of experimental AIDS drugs, opened a regulatory door. Pharmaceutical companies pushed for similarly rapid consideration of a wide range of remedies, regardless of whether the products offered lifesaving benefits. In Rezulin, the FDA was faced with a drug that had not been proved to save lives or to reduce the serious complications of adult-onset diabetes. It was against this backdrop that Warner-Lambert's vice president for diabetes research, Dr. Randall W. Whitcomb, told an FDA advisory committee on Dec. 11, 1996, that occurrences of liver injury among Rezulin patients were comparable to placebo in the clinical studies. In fact, the incidence among patients who took the drug was well over three times higher than for those given placebo pills. Among those patients who took Rezulin, 2.2% experienced liver injury, compared with 0.6% for those who took the placebo. In a recent sworn deposition for lawsuits brought by plaintiffs from Texas, Missouri and West Virginia, Whitcomb defended his earlier characterizations. 'Comparable' is, is, you know, is an interesting word, Whitcomb testified. Is 2.2% different than 0.6%? . . . I think you could look at 2.2 and 0.6 and say that those are similar numbers, you know, when you look at this now. I mean, 'similar' is a--is a very broad term. . . . I don't think that these numbers are, are all that different. Liver Monitoring Label Is Abandoned But the newly obtained documents reveal that concern about liver toxicity within Warner-Lambert was such that the company prepared a label for the drug in 1996 recommending that patients should be monitored at 3 months then every 6 months. The company abandoned the recommendation for liver monitoring before seeking the FDA advisory committee's endorsement in December 1996. Such a condition would have drastically reduced Rezulin's sales potential, according to doctors who point out that at least nine other less-risky diabetes drugs were available. Warner-Lambert did not publicly recommend liver monitoring for Rezulin patients until late October 1997--and then only after the
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Thanks for the agreement.I had posted toxic reports on butylene and propylene glycol as well as sodium Laurel Sulfates...and was unanimously booed. It is nasty stuff, and most alarming they are putting it in toothpast/ children's anti-itch creams, most cosmetics, drugs, etc. What is really scary is that our skin absorbs whatever we touch, so when you say wash your dishes with dish soap, which is mostly comprised of anionic and nonionic sulfactants, every cell in your body picks up this poison. You guys want to believe the FDA? Be my guest. Propylene glycol (PG) is a petroleum derivative. It penetrates the skin and can weaken protein and cellular structure. Commonly used to make extracts from herbs. PG is strong enough to remove barnacles from boats! The EPA considers PG so toxic that it requires workers to wear protective gloves, clothing and goggles and to dispose of any PG solutions by burying them in the ground. Because PG penetrates the skin so quickly, the EPA warns against skin contact to prevent consequences such as brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities. But there isn't even a warning label on products such as stick deodorants, where the concentration is greater than in most industrial applications. From Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS):Health Hazard Acute And Chronic INHALATION: May cause respiratory and throat Irritation, central nervous system depression, blood and kidney disorders. May cause Nystagmus, Lymphocytosis. SKIN: Irritation and dermatitis, absorption. EYES: Irritation and conjunctivitis. INGESTION: Pulmonary oedema, brain damage, hypoglycaemia, intravascular hemolysis. Death may occur.) Anionic refers to the negative charge these surfactants have. They may be contaminated with nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. Surfactants can pose serious health threats. They are used in car washes, as garage floor cleaners and engine degreasers - and in 90% of personal-care products that foam. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES) Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate (ALS) Ammonium Laureth Sulfate (ALES) Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate Sodium Cocoyl Sarcosinate Potassium Coco Hydrolysed Collagen TEA (Triethanolamine) Lauryl Sulfate TEA (Triethanolamine) Laureth Sulfate Lauryl or Cocoyl Sarcosine Disodium Oleamide Sulfosuccinate Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate Disodium Dioctyl Sulfosuccinate etc Sodium Laurel Sulfate: When combined with other chemicals, SLES and ALES can create nitrosamines, a potent class of carcinogens. It is frequently disguised in semi-natural cosmetics with the explanation "comes from coconut". From Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS): WARNING! CAUSES SKIN AND EYE IRRITATION! AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES, SKIN AND CLOTHING. THE MATERIAL WAS CLASSIFIED AS A MODERATE TO SEVERE EYE IRRITANT. For a complete list, you can pull up http://www.hallgold.com/toxic-chemical-ingredients-directory.htm#anionic - Original Message - From: Myk Hill To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame asa Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible.Splenda is not thatgreat either since they usethe samechlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as "generally recognized as safe," which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. You know, I keep beating the same drum about these so called safe chemicals! Just because we have become used to using synthetic chemicals on the skin, it doesn't mean to say they have been beneficial in the long run to our health. FAR FROM IT! In fact, some of these toxic chemicals, may well have contributed to the cancer, a friend or loved one of yours, contracted and died from, in recent times. Yes we all know people, loved ones and friends who have been cut down by this cancer scourge. Every single one of us in Westernized society, knows someone who has died of cancer in the last 12 months. It's a frightening and awful reality, that the rate we contract cancer, is approaching 1 in every 2 people and will probably exceed this rate within twenty years! It's only YOU who can do something about it by educating people you know to the dangers and by voting NO to chemicals simply by reading the labels! If the label has words on it you can't pronounce, then put it back on the shelf and don't run the risk of doing long term damage to your own health. You need to start explaining to people you know about reading labels and keeping the toxic chemicals out of their system. You can actually be paid to do this if you join the Organic Movement and promote safe non toxic products like we do here at the Health-Report website. CERTIFIED ORGANIC is the only guarantee you have of being chemical free. If you support the organic industry then you will not only be healthier and happier but you are also helping to save the planet from an impending disaster! You have one life - live it safely by avoiding chemicals! - Original Message - From: Myk Hill To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame asa Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible.Splenda is not thatgreat either since they usethe samechlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as "generally recognized as safe," which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. * Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. * There are only a few reports on the adverse health effects in humans of chronic exposure to ethylene glycol. Irritation of the throat, mild headache, low backache, loss of consciousness, and nystagmus have been reported. These symptoms were resolved when the exposure ceased. * Ethylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid, resulting in metabolic problems. Similar to ethylene glycol, propylene glycol increases the amount of acid in the body. However, larger amounts of propylene glycol are needed to cause this effect. * The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), and the EPA have not classified ethylene glycol and propylene glycol for carcinogenicity. Studies with people who used ethylene glycol did not show carcinogenic effects. Animal studies also have not shown these chemicals to be carcinogens.Ray J Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
What fun and games...I make a bet you believe that vaccinations of infants is also a good thing ha ha ha ha ha..propaganda -propaganda- propaganda. and who makes the money by passing off products that harm our health. For instance, you believe the pharmacutical industry in it's cancer treatments? The doctors and hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies can't make any money of a healthy diet, vitamines, and herbal remedies. So you guys are going to believe hook line and sinker all the bs FDA passes off. I am laughing so hard at your defending the FDA. Why do you think that products a few years ago touted Nutrasweet, and now they hadly ever label it on the packaging, it's listed in the ingredients under aspartame? Public has wised up. Where have you been? That's okay, you guys just feed yourself and your kids all that junk. Hey, it's a great population reducer. Why do you think that doctors across the country tried to ban aspartame before it was released? Why do you believe FDA? Who controls FDA? Don't you think the big guns, that want to make a fortune, would push a product like aspartame, and now splenda, because it makes them money.isn't it money...that rules the day. Wake up and smell the roses. After Monsanto's neurotoxic sweetener, aspartame, was approved over the objections of numerous independent scientists, a Public Board of Inquiry, and the FDA's own internal review team, numerous FDA officials were rewarded with high-paying jobs in the aspartame industry. Details of this buyout of government officials were published by the U.S. Government Accounting Office as well as summarized in the Aspartame History FAQ. Since that time, Monsanto and key government agencies like the FDA have continued to exchange employees so that Monsanto's needs quickly becomes government and especially FDA policy. Therefore, there is absolutely no question that neotame and other key Monsanto products such as dangerous geneticially-engineered frankenfoods will get approved. Monsanto will push for a quick approval since so many scientists, physicians and the general population are becoming aware of aspartame's toxicity. Within a couple of years, possibly sooner, neotame will be approved as a tabletop sweetener, but sales will be poor because so many people will have permanently switched to truly healthier sweeteners and sworn off toxic artificial sweeteners no matter how many scientific experts Monsanto can pay to claim that it is safe. Analysis Shows Nearly 100% of Independent Research Finds Problems With Aspartame October 17, 1996 An analysis of peer reviewed medical literature using MEDLINE and other databases was conducted by Ralph G. Walton, MD, Chairman, The Center for Behavioral Medicine, Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. Dr. Walton analyzed 164 studies which were felt to have relevance to human safety questions. Of those studies, 74 studies had aspartame industry-related sponsorship and 90 were funded without any industry money. Of the 90 non-industry-sponsored studies, 83 (92%) identified one or more problems with aspartame. Of the 7 studies which did not find a problems, 6 of those studies were conducted by the FDA. Given that a number of FDA officials went to work for the aspartame industry immediately following approval (including the former FDA Commissioner), many consider these studies to be equivalent to industry-sponsored research. Of the 74 aspartame industry-sponsored studies, all 74 (100%) claimed that no problems were found with aspartame. This is reminiscent of tobacco industry research where it is primarily the tobacco research which never finds problems with the product, but nearly all of the independent studies do find problems. The 74 aspartame industry-sponsored studies are those which one inveriably sees cited in PR/news reports and reported by organizations funded by Monsanto/Benevia/NutraSweet (e.g., IFIC, ADA). These studies have severe design deficiencies which help to guarantee the desired outcomes. These design deficiencies may not be apparent to the inexperienced scientist. Healthcare practitioners and scientists should print out the all of the documents on the Monsanto/NutraSweet Scientific Abuse web page, the Scientific FAQs web page and the Aspartame Toxicity Reaction Report Samples. Please refer scientific questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION OF D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle Ten FREE Cancer Reports I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ASPARTAME marketed as NutraSweet, Equal, and Spoonful. In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS and SYSTEMIC LUPUS, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to
Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure
been there, done that. Here is what I did, and it worked enough so it was not so obvious. 1. hydrogen peroxide helps with odors. Hydrogen Peroxide breaks down the cell wall, allowing the protein to dissolve away with washing. Hydrogen peroxide works with any protein, blood, manure, grass etc. saturate, don't dilute, and let stand for a couple of days. Where it really bubbles up, go back and re-apply let sit for 1 day 2. green soap spray on with garden sprayer, and use one of those nylon commercial brushes that you sweep the driveway with. scrub, specially where hydrogen peroxide bubbled up. let dry. 3. Step. Clorox, (dollar store variety) spray on with garden sprayer, the kind you connect to your hose, don't dilute, let the water from hose dilute. spray everything, including ceiling. Wear old clothes. 4. might need to Clorox again. Check if there is any old insulation or trash thrown up in attic area, as it absorbs odors. alternative: tear down and build something else, cause frankly you never get all the odor gone. pole shed doesn't cost much to build, specially with recycled material. - Original Message - From: Todd Hershberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [Biofuel] chicken manure I am trying to turn an old chicken house into a biodiesel workshop. The odor is disgusting because the chicken waste and dead chickens were left for years. I've cleaned it out and left the doors open. Does anyone have any ideas how to deodorize the old chicken shed? Should I be concerned about mold or spores? Thanks, Todd ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
- Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Nancy Canning wrote: Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? Nancy. You are mistakenly confusing ethylene glycol with propylene glycol. Both can be used as antifreeze or deicers, but they have very different metabolic fates in the body. Thus, ethylene glycol is toxic while propylene glycol is food safe. What is Propylene Glycol? Propylene Glycol (PG, Polyethylene Glycol (PEG), Butylene Glycol (BG) and Ethylene Glycol (EG) are all petroleum derivatives that act as solvents, surfactants, and wetting agents. They can easily penetrate the skin, and can weaken protein and cellular structure. In fact, PG penetrates the skin so quickly that the EPA warns factory workers to avoid skin contact, to prevent brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities. PG is present in many stick deodorants, often in heavier concentration than in most industrial applications. (Nyack, Dr. Vin, Ph.D., Biochemist; personal communication). And Propylene Glycol is what is used to carry the active ingredients in those transdermal patches INTO YOUR BODY Imagine a bottle of Anti-Freeze in a picture with shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpastes? The question you should be asking is .. What's Anti-Freeze doing IN my shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpaste? Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products. Shocked? You should be! You need to understand what it could do to your health. PROPYLENE GLYCOL is a colorless, viscous, hygroscopic liquid CH3CHOHCH2OH, used in anti-freeze solutions, in hydraulic fluids, and as a solvent. Also called Propanediol American Heritage Encyclopedia Dictionary PROPYLENE GLYCOL is used in: Anti-Freeze * Brake and Hydraulic Fluid * De-Icer * Paints and Coatings * Floor Wax * Laundry Detergents * Pet Food * Tobacco * Cosmetics * Toothpastes * Shampoos * Deodorants * Lotions * Processed Foods and many more personal care items. Check out your body lotions, deodorant, hair conditioner, hair gel, creams, and many more products! Propylene Glycol serves as a Humectant - a substance that helps retain moisture content, or simply -it prevents things from drying out. That's why some pet foods are soft and chewy. This, of course, is a good reason it's in cosmetics and other personal care items. It makes the skin feel moist and soft. And, the products don't dry out. Propylene Glycol is also found in baby wipes and even some processed foods! Go Ahead, check your labels! A published clinical review showed propylene glycol causes a significant number of reactions and was a primary irritant to the skin even in low levels of concentrations. The American Academy of Dermatologists, Inc; Jan. 1991 What can PROPYLENE GLYCOL Do To Us? In 1938, the FDA grandfathered the use of several ingredients as safe for personal care items, with restrictions of course. Based on what? There were no studies on repeated exposure over time. The problem is PROPYLENE GLYCOL may be absorbed through the skin. Studies have shown SYSTEMIC retention (residue throughout). NOW THIS OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW BALL GAME! Has anyone or any company tested the long-range side effects from constant use of these products? We haven't found any. Do these complex chemicals build up in our bodies? If Propylene Glycol keeps things from drying out - how? If it's absorbed into our bloodstream and into our cells, what does it do? Does it affect any of the simple, natural biological functions at the cellular level? You don't need a study to say - it's possible, even likely. You do need a conclusive study to make the producers stop using these ingredients! Yes, this is beginning to sound like another great American Tobacco Scandal. But before you get complacent and think the government is going to step in - think again. Look how long it has taken the cigarette pushers to get grilled - 20 years after the first Surgeon General's report.. The MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Propylene Glycol says: May be harmful by ingestion or skin absorption. May cause eye irritation, skin irritation. Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression. (Toxicological profile for ethylene glycol and propylene glycol (update). Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), 1996. Atlanta, Ga; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.) Propylene glycol
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris = From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biodiesel - glycerin - propylene glycol Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol. Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. Read more at http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/2005/08/glycerin-biodiesel-byproduct-makes.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wisdom from the next generation
A Ray of Hope on the Health Freedom Horizon As many of you are aware Americans' health freedoms are currently under attack both from without (Codex/Cafta adversely affecting your access to Vitamins and Minerals) and from within (HR 3156 adversely affecting your access to Natural Herbal Supplements). There is, however, one very encouraging bill introduced by Congressman Ron Paul: HR 2352Consumers' Access to Health Information Act Here is what Congressman Paul said to Congress when he introduced this Bill three months ago: (highlighting added by us) Mr. Speaker, I rise to enhance the health and liberty of American citizens by introducing the Consumers Access to Health Information Act of 2005. This act ensures consumers can receive truthful information about how foods and dietary supplements can cure, mitigate, and prevent specific diseases. The act does this simply by correcting an erroneous court decision and thus restoring congressional intent to allow consumers to have access to information regarding the health benefits of dietary supplements without government interference.In 1990, responding to the demands of the American people that the federal government respect consumers' right to receive information about the ways foods and dietary supplements can improve their health, Congress passed the Nutrition Labeling and Education Act. The intent of that act was to allow the manufacturers of foods and dietary supplements to provide consumers with accurate and specific information regarding the curative and preventive effects of foods and dietary supplements. However, the Food and Drug Administration, FDA, ignored repeated efforts by Congress to protect consumers' First Amendment rights to receive truthful information about the health benefits of foods and dietary supplements.Incredibly, in the case of Whitaker v. Thompson, the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit supported the FDA's interpretation of Congress's intent and rejected the clear restraints of the First Amendment by ruling that the FDA had the authority to censor information regarding the specific benefits of foods and dietary supplements.Mr. Speaker, under the D.C. Circuit's absurd interpretation of federal law, the only way food and drug manufacturers can transmit information about the health benefits of their products is by going through the lengthy and expensive FDA drug approval process. Because of this court decision, manufacturers are reluctant to provide all but the most general health information, thus ensuring that consumers remain ignorant about how they can cure or avoid diseases by making simple changes in their diet ... Thanks to the FDA, the American public is prevented from learning about possible ways to prevent cancer, Alzheimer's, high blood pressure, urinary tract infection, and numerous other diseases. At a time when health care costs are rising, it is absurd for the federal government to prevent Americans from learning about how they increase their chances of staying healthy by making simple changes in their diets. However, this bill is about
Re: [Biofuel] guns
FYI: Subject: Dust OffFirst I'm going to tell you a little about me and my family. My name is Jeff. I am a Police Officer for a city which is known nationwide for its crime rate. We have a lot of gangs and drugs. At one point we were # 2 in the nation in homicides per capita. I also have a police K-9 namedThor. He was certified in drugs and general duty. He retired at 3 years old because he was shot in the line of duty. He lives with us now and I still train with him because he likes it. I always liked the fact that there was no way to bring drugs into my house. Thor wouldn't allow it. He would tell on you. The reason I say this is so you understand that I know about drugs. I have taught in schools about drugs. My wife asks all our kids at least once a week if they used any drugs. Makes them promisethey wont.I like building computers occasionally and started building a new one in February 2005. I also was working on some of my older computers. They were full of dust so on one of my trips to the computer store I bought a3 pack of DUST OFF. Dust Off is a can of compressed air to blow dust off a computer. A few weeks later when I went to use one of them they were all used. I talked to my kids and my two sons both said they had usedthem on their computer and messing around with them. I yelled at them for wasting the 10 dollars I paid for them. On February 28 I went back to the computer store. They didn't have the 3 pack which I had bought on sale so I bought a single jumbo can of Dust Off. I went home and set it down beside my computer. On March 1st, I left for work at 10 PM. Just before midnight my wife went down and kissed Kyle goodnight.At 530 am the next morning Kathy went downstairs to wake Kyle up for school, before she left for work. He was propped up in bed with his legs crossed and his head leaning over. She called to him a few times to get up. He didn't move. He would sometimes tease her like this and pretend he fell back asleep. He was never easy to get up. She went in and shook his arm. He fell over. He was pale white and had the straw from the Dust Off can coming out of his mouth. He had the new can of Dust Off in his hands. Kyle was dead. I am a police officer and I had never heard of this.My wife is a nurse and she had never heard of this. We later found out from the coroner, after the autopsy, that only the propellant from the can of Dust off was in his system. No other drugs. Kyle had died between midnight and 1 AM. I found out that using Dust Off is being done mostly by kids ages 9 through 15. They even have a name for it. It's called dusting. A take off from the Dust Off name. It gives them a slight high for about 10 seconds. It makes them dizzy. A boy who lives down the street from usshowed Kyle how to do this about a month before. Kyle showed his best friend. Told him it was cool and it couldn't hurt you. Its just compressed air. It cant hurt you. His best friend said no. Kyle was wrong. It's not just compressed air. It also contains a propellant called R2. Its a refrigerant like what is used in your refrigerator. It is a heavy gas. Heavier than air. When you inhale it, it fills your lungs and keeps the good air, with oxygen, out. That's why you feel dizzy, buzzed. It decreases the oxygen to your brain, to your heart. Kyle was right. It cant hurt you. IT KILLS YOU. The horrible part about this is there is no warning. There is no level that kills you. It's not cumulative or an overdose; it can just go randomly, terribly wrong. Roll the dice and if your number comes up you die. ITS NOT AN OVERDOSE. Its Russian Roulette. You don't die later.Or not feel good and say I've had too much. You usually die as your breathing it in. If not you die within 2 seconds of finishing "the hit." That's why the straw was still in Kyle's mouth when he died. Why his eye's were still open. The experts want to call this huffing. The kids don't believe its huffing. As adults we tend to lump many things together. But it doesn't fit here. And that's why its more accepted. There is no chemical reaction, no strong odor. It doesn't follow the huffing signals. Kyle complained a few days before he died of his tongue hurting. Itprobably did. The propellant causes frostbite. If I had only known.Its easy to say hey, its my life and I'll do what I want. But it isn't. Others are always effected. This has forever changed our family's life. I have a hole in my heart and soul that can never be fixed. The pain is so immense I cant describe it. There's nowhere to run from it. I cry allthe time and I don't ever cry. I do what I'm supposed to do but I don't really care. My kids are messed up. One wont talk about it. The other will only sleep in our room at night. And my wife, I cant even describe how bad she istaking this. I thought we were safe because of Thor. I thought we were safe because we knew about drugs and talked to our kids about them. After Kyle died
Re: Jesus was a liberal..., and look what it got him... was Re: [Biofuel]The New Blue States/Country
god's creations to a consecutive order of importance, or unimportance, depending upon which end of the ladder you're starting from. I wonder what he or she would think about the indifferent anhilation/extinction of one, multiple and eventually thousands of species by another, much less the eventual extermination of one specie's own self as a result of the choice to exhibit no forethought for others or anything beyond itself? Hm. What rubric might you be praying under were your Jesus to have conducted his affairs in the same manner? The First Southern Baptist Church of Me? (Perhaps the Jesus part is a bit presumptive. But then again, that camp often leaves a large, debris strewn swath in its wake, much as did you.) (If Jesus only had an Evinrude and a few sticks of dynamite.., maybe he would have had no need for miracles?) But as to a creator, or god, or whatever your preference might be, might his or her thoughts be that everything has its place and humans think wrongly that it's their right to pick and choose which species to relegate into oblivion? Or is it more probable that his or her creations weren't quite so perfect as originally thought and the intervention of humans is entirely necessary in order to straighten out all those initial mistakes? The latter is all rather doubtful. More like humans have a god complex and tend to try and reinforce their superiority (dominion) at every opportune and inopportune moment possible, in every venue, whether requisite or not. Funny that dominion thing. All rather like kicking a dead horse to prove one is still in control, when all it proves is just how little in control one really is. The horse may not kick back, but neither will it pull the wagon any further.. A lot to be said for good stewardship Secondly? I don't think there is or needs to be a secondly. Everyone would really like to live in a world where every child is wanted. Where the social and economic pressures don't exist that give women, men and even children cause to terminate pregnancies early. Everyone would like to have a peaceful existence where there are no demands placed upon them other than to enjoy the sheer beauty of being alive - no kissing up or being subservient to warlords, multi-nationals, politicians of particular design or the obnoxious manager at the local five and dime, Mal-Wart or Bob Evans. In case you missed that chapter in your biblical studies, there was a time when that was the norm. They called it Eden (at least by one biblical account) And then humans fouled the water, shat in their own bed and bespoiled all the good that they had, thinking that there was something more out there that they needed to know or somehow they could improve on what was already as good as it could ever be. That should sound familiar, as we continue to do the same thing to this very day. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, with expectation of achieving a different result. That doesn't speak well of us as a superior species. Frankly Nancy? One would tend to believe that you need to find your answers in broader places rather than being content in painting other humans with the singularly narrow brush from your black and white bucket, especially those whom you not only don't know, but who's circumstances you are apparently oblivious to in some part. Maybe when you can empathize with tens of millions of men, women and children who have precious little control over their own fate and are issued death sentences by presidential proxy - whether that be withholding family planning funds that provide condoms or initiating international and national policies of embargos, wars, protectionism, corporatism, cronyism and elitism that strip away lives at every stage of what should be a wonderful living process - maybe then you'll not be so quick to assign attributes that don't exist to others and start seeing right to life as more than just a singular issue. . And now back to our regularly scheduled biofuels programming. Oh wait. It's human selfishness, superiority and indifference to the rest of the world's creations that has brought us to today's fossil fuel dilemma. So I guess there's no need to change the channel at all Todd Swearingen . Against abortion? Get a vasectomy. ... Nancy Canning wrote: I agree with you Gustl. Yet, I am amazed and the quanity of people who will uphold and fight for some snails life, being of great importance and right to live, yet believe it is okay to kill babies. That the Child is of no value and has no right to life. - Original Message - From: des [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Thank you! That was the first message
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
I agree with you Gustl. Yet, I am amazed and the quanity of people who will uphold and fight for some snails life, being of great importance and right to live, yet believe it is okay to kill babies. That the Child is of no value and has no right to life. - Original Message - From: des [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Thank you! That was the first message in this thread I found worth saving for future reference. Too much out there, (government, business and religion) has propagated the illusion of separation, competition and isolation... We could easily forget that we do all come from the same Source, sad to say though, that when mankind tries to give that Source a name, religion develops, and separation of our unity follows. doug swanson Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Whomever, Sunday, 31 July, 2005, 18:03:48, you wrote: Wwrc In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than Wwrc us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We Trust. In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited.? I assume that you have NEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh or his ilk then? Jerry Falwell? Pat Robertson? In GOD We Trust? The qualifier Somewhat does not appear there between We and Trust. Those trusting in God are those rejecting the ways of the world and following the ways of the Lord. That would be those in peace churches and not involving themselves in national politics and perhaps not even state politics. I assume you mean In the bible we trust instead, with the caveat of your own particular interpretations of that and including the old testament which has, according to virtually all biblical scholars of the Christian bent been fulfilled and the jots and tittles have been changed. It is very interesting watching the contortions of the theologians trying to make the black words in the bible match up to the red words when they flatly contradict them in so many cases. If they trusted in God they would have the ability to get to their knowledge without the aid of such an inadequate medium as the written word. It is not so interesting watching them pulling verses or partial verses out of context and trying to warp them to their own particular beliefs. They would rather define truth to match their own limited understanding rather than take the trouble to bring their understanding in line with truth. Makes one ill. I generally attempt to be more kind in my observations but I really get weary watching people serving two masters while claiming to be serving only one. That which is good, right and true speaks for itself and the rest requires justification. There are a lot of Christians who are going to be justifying their heads off and a lot who don't call themselves Christian who won't need to do so. Law vs Spirit. There are a lot of folks out there who may have read but have either forgotten or do not understand MT 25:12, LK 13:25, LK 13:27 and JN 5:42. Perhaps they just think claiming to believe something is tautologous with demonstrating the fruits of the belief. Fruits? GAL 5:22. You won't find a lot of those fruits in politics whether left, right or center. Before I forget: MT 7:3-5 There is a great difference between reading the words and knowing what they mean, understanding them. Living them is even more difficult. I have failed somewhat in this unkind mail but am prepared to live and/or die with the consequences of my actions and without excuses or justification. I hope all those upholding life with one hand and activily participating in or concurring with the dealing out of death with the other are just as ready. Blue or red or whatever shade. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Spanish biofuels site - Journey to Forev er en español --
would like to thank Andrés Pinto Negreira for his translations, that is a great service, thanks so much. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Spanish biofuels site - Journey to Forever en español -- Biocombustibles, biodiesel We've just launched a new Spanish-language mirror site, translated and webbed by our friend Andrés Pinto Negreira, and very nice too. First, biofuels, later other sections of the site. Available so far, more to come: http://journeytoforever.org/es/biocombustibles.html Biocombustibles http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_fabricar.html Fabrica tu propio biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_fabricar2.html Fabrica tu propio biodiesel - página 2 http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_mike.html Receta de Mike Pelly http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_aleks.html Proceso en dos etapas http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_aleksnueva.html Método ácido-base http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_reactores.html Reactores para biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/es/biodiesel_cav.html Aceite vegetal usado como combustible diesel Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Homemade Shredder was: Compost Update
link works great for me, just type in compost shredder, and instructions for how to make pop right up. http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1984_March_April/Build_a_Common - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Homemade Shredder was: Compost Update Sorry, forgot the link... This is what we use, restored from a seized and rusty bit of junk with bits missing, powered by our Yanmar diesel (on B100 biodiesel). It works a treat. http://journeytoforever.org/compost_shred.html Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronic injector control)
I have a great oldie but goodie one off a 71 rabbit, been keeping it for a spare(currently driving a 70) but it's not out of the car. It runs great though, it would be easy to hook a battery up and start it up for you, so you could see for yourself. - Original Message - From: David L Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:24 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronic injector control) how about a 1981 VW already removed from vehicle. I had to scrap the car. David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronicinjectorcontrol)
I was getting 48mpg on the 71 vw rabbit, main support "T" rusted on it and wasn't worth replacing, as a 16 year old had hit the left front fender. My 70 gets 45mpg, I put a little wider tire on it for traction in the winter and that reduced milage. - Original Message - From: Chris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronicinjectorcontrol) What kind of mileage do those old (70s) engines get? I was thinking about selling my car and getting a new golf TDI, maybe a '00 or something slightly older. I'm not sure. I wish there were more options as far as diesels go. I must admit I'm not a big VW fan. I really wishI could import something from europe. It'd take more money than i have just to get it to pass EPA emissions standards though. Chris N. - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronic injectorcontrol) I have a great oldie but goodie one off a 71 rabbit, been keeping it for a spare(currently driving a 70) but it's not out of the car. It runs great though, it would be easy to hook a battery up and start it up for you, so you could see for yourself.- Original Message - From: "David L Wood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:24 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronic injector control) how about a 1981 VW already removed from vehicle. I had to scrap the car. David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
go to Google, type in recycled tire earth home and you havemany of web pages, even designs for homes made from recycled tires filled with earth and then stucco over.It's a great energy efficient way to build. - Original Message - From: Josephine Wee To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Ms. Nancy Canning We are interested in how one builds a house with recycled tires, dirt and stucco. where canI find a website showing this? \ thanks. - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt,then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - From: Chris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and what you can do to change that whether it be a garage or a stadium ?http://customsuperhomes.com/mykI would like to make that change for America, after viewing the information signup to send me your information so we can build it together,Myk HillEnvironmental Builder Professionalhttp://customsuperhomes.com/mykPh Fx: 206-600-5632PO Box 291Morrisville, NC 27560 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
What about cast earth, and how would it compare to flyash concrete construction? - Original Message - From: Randall To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Try these links: http://www.papercrete.com/ http://www.rammedearthworks.com/ http://www.deatech.com/cobcottage/ http://www.adobebuilder.com/ http://www.earthship.org/ http://www.touchtheearthranch.com/tirestart.htm --Randy Charlotte, NC - Original Message - From: Josephine Wee To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Ms. Nancy Canning We are interested in how one builds a house with recycled tires, dirt and stucco. where canI find a website showing this? \ thanks. - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt,then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - From: Chris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and what you can do to change that whether it be a garage or a stadium ?http://customsuperhomes.com/mykI would like to make that change for America, after viewing the information signup to send me your information so we can build it together,Myk HillEnvironmental Builder Professionalhttp://customsuperhomes.com/mykPh Fx: 206-600-5632PO Box 291Morrisville, NC 27560 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
what about recycled tires. filled with dirt,then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - From: Chris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and what you can do to change that whether it be a garage or a stadium ?http://customsuperhomes.com/mykI would like to make that change for America, after viewing the information signup to send me your information so we can build it together,Myk HillEnvironmental Builder Professionalhttp://customsuperhomes.com/mykPh Fx: 206-600-5632PO Box 291Morrisville, NC 27560 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vegetable Oil Press
as well as Texas AM Ag extension. I ran across an article from their extension service regarding expressing herbal oils, as in lavender, etc. alternative agricultural business information. - Original Message - From: Raul A Raudales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Vegetable Oil Press I wonder if any of the biofuel enthusiast will know a source of a small vegetable oil press (expeller). Looking on the 2 to 4 liter of oil per hour range, or 8 to 16 kg if seed per hour. This is an small press, however I am looking for an industrial type of machine not a kitchen type one. The capacity is approximated, it could be a bit higher. Thank you for the cooperation, regards, Ral A. Raudales Director, Research Planning Mesoamerican Development Institute Lowell, Massachusetts (978) 937 - 3460 www.mesoamerican.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Wicks
is what brings the fuel at a correct amount to continually heat the cooking stove, whether it is broiling or baking temperatures. This has been done for years in England, and Europe with this style cooker or stove. - Original Message - From: O'Neil Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Wicks Hey Matt, I took a look at the wick link. No. Look at the pictures on that web site. You are looking at a manufactured product. What's going to happen to you when the company goes out of business or the shipping lines collapse? The answer my friend is far simpler. I went to a cultural event this winter. Winterlude in Ottawa. They had native exhibits. Our natives have the answers you are looking for. It was a large shallow bowl that had oil in it. I talked with the person presenting the exhibit for awhile about it. He was using normal vegetable oil. They used to use animal fats. You could probably use just about any combustible oil in this way. In this pool of oil was some grandfather's beard. This is a light fibrous material that can be found in some forests hanging from trees. You could use cotton or just about any other combustible fibrous mass that can be broken up to a similar texture. The bowl was not circular in shape. A spit was hanging above it. The spit has both a horizontal pole that could turn and a store shelf that was formed into a bowl shape as well. By adjusting the fibrous material in the fire bowl the flame can be made large enough to cook or melt ice over. The flame can be made as small as a tiny candle wick by submerging the fibrous material in oil. When submerged the material does not burn. He didn't have it blazing so the ambient temperature in the oil pool was well below ignition. When I saw it I was simply amazed. Now if you want a standard candle for ease of transport and storage properties get whatever wick you can in bulk at a good price and make your candles. If you are looking for a fire tool to use in post industrial scenario then look at this and other native techniques. Cheers, O'Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Erickson Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Wicks Hello, I've been a lurker to this group for some time and find the thought provoking conversations and information provided here and JTF are without parallel on the web. Great stuff, thanks! Quick question - Anyone tried out the Biodiesel wicks listed on this site? http://www.wickstore.com/industrialapps.html The info on the site is scant, so I'm wondering if anyone has purchased their or knows about the Biodiesel Wicks for sale. If so, I'd love to hear how they work since this is the first time I've seen wicks for Biodiesel for sale. I've been hankering for a way to get s Servel kerosene refrigerator to run on B100. Thanks much, Matt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tripple Purpose Genset
Hello Nancy, Would you happen to have a link for these cars? Even the name of the which railroad would be great. I have no use for one, but my father will go absolutely nuts if I can locate a couple for him. Thanks! AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tripple Purpose Genset You can purchase from the railroad old insulated refrigerated box cars for same purpose. They cost about $5000. weigh a ton, have to be moved with bulldozer, D6 or D7 cat works. All metal, which is nice because you can weld directly to it, interior is lined in wood. I've converted one to workshop space, but easily could be living. You just need a cutting torch to add plumbing or wiring. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ I found two in the Southwest, EL Paso, and Albuquerque area, however, auctions come up with the railroad material and supplies around the US. Check the RR freight yards around the country. Contact the major RR lines and ask for list of agents they use for scrap metal cars, the RR themselves don't handle sales that I know of. Cars are sold when no longer usable or cost to much to repair carriages, but that doesn't effect storage shed usage, or living space. The large scrap metal dealers tend to purchase, then salvage what is usable, so they might be a source as well. Being in Minnesota, the main RR yards should have some local leads, or contacts for the various companies. One drawback to the refrigerator cars is that they fumigate them, so they stink for a while. Scrubbed down, with high pressure washer then aired out seemed to work. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tripple Purpose Genset
G'day Luc, where do you find one of these units and what do they cost? John Legal Eagle wrote: G'day all; After having checked about with guys running refridgerated trailer units I am happy to learn that my suspicions were correct. They can keep foddstufs frozen or reduce the ambient temperature or they can also heat to a maximum of 27C, more than plenty for any application I could have hoped for. They are housed in large units but that is for compactedness. there is a battery and alternator, fuel pump ect. so that it is a stand alone unit. Now what remians to be determined is the viability of using something like this, mounted on the exterior wall of a temporary building such as a construction trailer, of a smaller dimension than that of a full sixed refridgerated unit and extending it's use to include the charging of a battery bank. This would make the entire thing completely independant as well as be able to fully function in cold weather, The fuel tank (BD) would be indoors and so would not have the problem of needing supplemenal heat to keep it from geling.The ambient tenmp for the processor and water tanks would also be able to be controlled easily using the reafer unit's electronic controls which would now be mounted inside as would be the thermometer activated switch to run the unit on recycle or continuous. Set the desired temp on the touch pad and make sure you have fuel and go away knowing thiings will be nice and toasty or cooled to spec as the situation warrants. Using ducts one could set it up so that it would be a livable situation or at least comfortable to spend the night or two regardless of heat or cold outside. A great option for out of the way shack-type applications IMHO. Anyway, there you have it.Now remains to have a situation that requires putting into practice and seeing if all this theory stands up. An idea that is put on hold but not thrown out :-) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ You can purchase from the railroad old insulated refrigerated box cars for same purpose. They cost about $5000. weigh a ton, have to be moved with bulldozer, D6 or D7 cat works. All metal, which is nice because you can weld directly to it, interior is lined in wood. I've converted one to workshop space, but easily could be living. You just need a cutting torch to add plumbing or wiring. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] rumor heard from Montana
talked with a trucker regarding biodiesel. He told me some farmer/rancher in Montana was having major legal problems including threats with his personal use and production of biodiesel for use on his privately owned land. I have pulled from google and find nothing regarding any story such as this. Anyone heard any such info. It wouldn't surprise me if the big boys ie. oil companies and car makers are nix on anything or any product that would take away from their $. Aside from fuel tax? Anyone know of any government regulations regarding production? Like the CSU prof that developed emission system which would easily test for violations so that those vehicles could be corrected. He also developed a cheaper additive to gas that would increase gas milage and was cheaper in costs. We don't hear any more of his system because it's not production $$ for the Big Boys ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Solar powered vehicles`
What I was referencing is that St. Thomas Academy research on solar powered vehicle and wondering if anyone had checked into using solar power to heat biodiesel fuel as it sits in the tank. Running exhisting heating system on a small scale through lines to heat biodiesel works but what about -20 degree weather when fuel in Midwest is solid. To use biodiesl in winter here, we would have to come up with heating system, kind a like what trucks use that heats entire tank. Any ideas. Thanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] New to list also
I am new to the list as well, in Wisconsin. Interested in aquiring biodiesel small plant to make my own, not only for vehicle but for house usage as well. I am interested in finding out about regulations for making biodiesel and exploring possibility of starting a business producing viable product. I have a vw wabbit, 1980 model which I love, and want to convert to biodiesel. I also want to find out information for the 2004 Dodge trucks, problems converting them to biodiesel? Heating system for bio-tank? Anybody tried solar panel designed system? Solar systems are used in Montana for winter heating of water livestock tanks? Fuel injection system for Dodge 2004 cummins 5.9 engine model and problems others have encountered with biodiesel? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
