Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel / turf
Sorry - idle banter and off-topic rant about the state of diesel engines in Ireland. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/05 9:13:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hello paddy and frantz. i didn't understand this exchange. what's this about turf? wold appreciate the education. -chris In a message dated 6/30/05 6:58:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Believe me, with the amount of smoke coming from some of the exhausts its as if the vehicles were running on turf. However that route (pardon the pun) is being stopped since the government environment body has put a stop to the erosion of the countryside by turf-cutting. just a guess, peat moss? greg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel
Believe me, with the amount of smoke coming from some of the exhausts its as if the vehicles were running on turf. However that route (pardon the pun) is being stopped since the government environment body has put a stop to the erosion of the countryside by turf-cutting. Unfortunately Ireland is becoming more and more a car-oriented country and cyclists have to take to the pavement/footpath to feel safe. This is in turn desensitising car drivers to the presence of other road users, teaching cyclists to ignore correct rules of the road and cause even more use of cars as parents consider it safer to drive their kids the whole half mile to school rather than have them walk. Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Paddy O'Reilly a écrit : I'm not sure what the average price of gas (aka petrol) is in the US, in Ireland it has just passed the Euro mark per litre - that's USD5.44 a gallon and in England its about 90p per litre - that's USD8.17 a gallon. Perhaps this kind of price in the US will be enough to get people's attention (George Bush and his cohorts would be delighted at this price). Unfortunately nothing significant is still being done in Europe about changing to biofuels. Hi, In France, the average price is around 1,11 Euro per liter of gazoline (unleaded 95, it's more for 98) and 1 Euro for gazole(diesel), due to the huge (about 80% of price) taxes. Compared to sunflower edible oil first price at 1,10 Euro / liter or PLG at 0,66. No legal way for commercial biofuels out of the industrial solution chosen by french gov. People begins to get out of invidualism and use more public transportations or co-voiturage (don't know the right translation in English : co-conveyance or car sharing ?). And I do agree with last words of Paddy, and the political crisis in EU won't help it, especially with the british presidence for the next 6 month according to recent news explaining that the whole agricultural areas of UK could not be enough to reach EU biofuels goals, and how T. Blair is opposed to EU continental countries on agricultural subsidies. What's about running cars with turf in Irland ? ;-) frantz (3 trips in Eire since 1986) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You.begin:vcard fn:Paddy O'Reilly n:O'Reilly;Paddy org:Silicon Software Systems;Digital Consumer Business Unit adr:Model Farm Road;;Cork Business Technology Park;Cork;;;Ireland email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior IC Design Engineer tel;work:+353 21 230 2400 url:http://www.s3group.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel
I do agree, though, that that was a heck of an expensive program for the U.S. taxpayer. I'm sorry, but I have to comment on what's being said here. Basically, the American tax dollar is begrudgingly given to help with cleaning up our environment to the tune of 210 million (ever deflating) US dollars yet a blind eye is being cast on the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of those same dollars being wasted on the beloved American Defence Budget. I heard somewhere that the INCREASE in the American defence budget this year exceeds the total defence budgets of the next five largest defence budgets of other superpowers put together. And George won't even consider cancelling third nation debt (I suppose it doesn't hold any immediate return for him so he doesn't care). So putting the whole thing into perspective, the payment of 0.175% of the American defence budget (which will be spent on developing new and improved ways of wiping out the planet in the shortest time possible) on helping some other Americans develop ways of reducing our dependence on the Earth's natural resources is a waste of money while creating weapons of mass destruction isn't. Hmmm, methinks there's a slight imbalance in priorities here. The term Heck of an expensive program(me) should be reserved for George Dubya's retirement fund (aka defence budget). As expensive as today's oil consumption is proving to be, in so many different ways? And not just for the US taxpayer either. IIRC, under PNGV the US gave $70 million to each of the big 3 automakers to come up with these 'possible vehicles'. I've cut out as much as is reasonable from this email trail to preserve bandwidth. Hope it still makes sense. By the way, I'm using English spelling in this mail not the American mutated version. The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You.begin:vcard fn:Paddy O'Reilly n:O'Reilly;Paddy org:Silicon Software Systems;Digital Consumer Business Unit adr:Model Farm Road;;Cork Business Technology Park;Cork;;;Ireland email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior IC Design Engineer tel;work:+353 21 230 2400 url:http://www.s3group.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel
I'm not sure what the average price of gas (aka petrol) is in the US, in Ireland it has just passed the Euro mark per litre - that's USD5.44 a gallon and in England its about 90p per litre - that's USD8.17 a gallon. Perhaps this kind of price in the US will be enough to get people's attention (George Bush and his cohorts would be delighted at this price). Unfortunately nothing significant is still being done in Europe about changing to biofuels. Bill Vaughn wrote: Mean while the Japanese figured out how to make hybrids at a prices to sell to the American public. Seems there is a line waiting for the hybrids now because of the souring gas prices. Again the big three are slow to answer to the American public and their sinking sales prove once again they don't have a clue. Bill The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You.begin:vcard fn:Paddy O'Reilly n:O'Reilly;Paddy org:Silicon Software Systems;Digital Consumer Business Unit adr:Model Farm Road;;Cork Business Technology Park;Cork;;;Ireland email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior IC Design Engineer tel;work:+353 21 230 2400 url:http://www.s3group.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production
ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is 2.8. I wonder could The Real Thing be used as the catalyst for making biodiesel - of course you may have to purify the coke first but your exhaust fumes may take on a sweet caramelised aroma on top of the french-fries - stomach-churning huh?! All you need then is a big mac and you've got a travelling take-away. The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone read about Nanosolar yet?
(didn't look hard enough I suppose). It could be 120W/square foot which is more feasible ( that would bring the cost to about $17k). That reminds me of a project I worked on once where the owner claimed a vehicle could travel at 85mph (probably closer to 85kph) and had a 6 foot turning radius (more like 6 metre radius). God bless standardisation!!! As for the Manhattan Project - you'd probably have to look at how the military can use this technology for destruction instead of saving our planet and that might indicate why its sponsoring the project. Either way lets hope the scientists can make it happen. As for the terminology (deploying, utility blah, blah) this terminology is being used by marketeers world-wide at the moment - probably a throw back from Iraq war and marketing gurus wanting to sound sexy/chunky. Stelios Terzakis wrote: Fascinating. It's amazing what spins off from military research in silicon valley. It has been said that we need a Manhattan Project for alternative energy; mayabe this is the beginning of it? Interesting to read about the company on their website and see their ties to the nuclear and petroleum industries (Sandia Lab, Shell and Arco) and their use of military jargon (deploying solar electricity generation at utility scale). Their focus is strangely on getting high profile investors and making a product that is profitable and scalable, whatever that is, rather than altruistically stepping up to find a badly needed solution to the huge problem we find ourselves in now, namely what to do without petroleum. I am glad they are moving in the right direction. This might be another one to watch out for the bankruptcy notices. I forgot to mention that the Articles page on the Nanosolar site includes a blurb directly tying Nanosolar with the military: U.S. Senator Boxer on DARPA funding Nanosolar: This grant is exciting because it promises new technology to address our energy needs and because it again demonstrates the strength of the Bay Area's innovative private sector partnered with its world-class universities and research facilities. DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, that is, it's the US Military. So this will be yet another thing the military can claim it needs increased funding for. ok, Mark - Original Message - From: Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone read about Nanosolar yet? http://www.nanosolar.com/products.htm The flagship product, Nanosolar SolarPly, is a 14 feet x 10 feet solar electricity module delivering 120 watts per square inch at 110V. The company is now offering solar panels at below $1 per peak watt. Almost sounds too good to be true compared to traditional solar voltaic panels. -- Patrick Campbell Daytime: 602.723.3098 Evening: 201.345.4133 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
http://rqriley.com/xr2_solar.htm. Its a long wheel-base carbon fibre recumbent which is solar-powered. When I was in college they spoke of one day having spray-on amorphous PV material - that was 20 years ago, still no joy!!! So much to tinker with, so little time. Michael Redler wrote: Hey! I've given this some thought too. It can really make the imagination run wild! Solar body panels on your car as standard equipment (you might have to go with the Henry Ford color scheme -- ...any color you want, as long as it's black) ...or maybe PV paint!! I once thought about mounting solar panels on a long trailer, behind a bicycle with an electric motor driving the rear wheel. But, I wondered how many pedestrians I'd take out whenever I made a turn. Besides I have to lose about 20 pounds anyway. ...may as well keep the pedals. Mike JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Paddy O'Reilly I've often thought about a car that would re-charge itself by solar panels when its sitting outside our offices for 8+ hours a day. Has anybody looked at this scenario - where the electric-only car recharges itself during daylight hours through the use of solar panels integrated into the body panels? Is this the one where you use a diesel generator, running biofuel of course, to keep the batteries topped up? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
panels when its sitting outside our offices for 8+ hours a day. Based on current technology it could convert about 2.6kW (0.33kwH x 8 hours) into electrical energy. However a 20 mile journey home could use up this energy in the first few miles. Has anybody looked at this scenario - where the electric-only car recharges itself during daylight hours through the use of solar panels integrated into the body panels? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ILEA Leaf #10: WHAT KIND OF CAR? You're concerned about the environment, but you need to drive. Which car will do the least damage? There's no easy answer, and you will have to make some tradeoffs between your budget and your determination to help change the world. But you will also need to think about what changing the world means to you: Is it more important to (a) help reduce future emissions an uncertain amount by investing in advanced technology or (b) reduce immediate emissions a known amount with existing technology? Is it more important to (a) fight climate change and foreign oil dependence by reducing fossil fuel use or (b) help clean the air in your region by reducing traditional pollutants from the car tailpipe? At ILEA we are all about life-cycle assessment, so we like to take the big picture approach: advancing technology trumps personal emissions, and greenhouse gases trump local pollutants. If you answer the questions differently, keep those differences in mind as you read through our recommendations; near the end of the email there's a comparison table to help you do this. Below are five basic choices you can take, beginning with the most conventional and ending with the most adventurous.[1] #_edn1 We think the most adventurous steps probably have the most impact on the big picture, but if you answered the questions differently than we do, you may want to take one of the other choices. #5: High-efficiency conventional cars If none of the more advanced options meet your needs, then you can still reduce both your greenhouse gas and your traditional pollutant emissions by being careful to choose a car with the highest fuel economy. Keep in mind though, this option will do little to advance new technologies. The U.S. EPA's fuel economy website http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ provides comparative ratings of nearly all cars available in the U.S. The American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy publishes the Green Book http://www.greenercars.com/ , which provides even more detailed environmental information. Though the EPA website is free, the Green Book is not: a month of access costs $8.95. Diesel engines are on average more efficient than gasoline engines. Just as one example, a manual transmission, 2005 VW Jetta Wagon is rated 36 city and 47 highway http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm . In the United States we tend to think of diesel cars as dirty, and indeed historically the tailpipe emissions have been much worse than for gasoline cars. But beginning in mid-2006 all automotive diesel fuel in the U.S. will be ultra-low sulfur http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm , allowing better emissions control and eliminating nearly all of the irritating exhaust fumes we normally expect from diesel engines. That means beginning in 2007, many diesel vehicles will be preferable to their gasoline counterparts. Also, if you choose a diesel vehicle, you will always be able to leapfrog to the much more aggressive biodiesel solution, #3 below. #4: Gasoline-electric hybrids Gasoline-electric hybrids (usually just called hybrids) have by far been the most popular choice of environmentally conscientious car buyers over the past few years. Hybrids are fueled at the gas pump just like any other gasoline-powered car, but boast particularly impressive mileage (the 2005 Toyota Prius does 60 city and 51 highway http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm ).[2] #_edn2 A hybrid car has both a gasoline engine and an electric motor, but it does not need to be plugged in. The gasoline engine takes care of charging the electric motor's battery. The battery is also charged when the driver steps on the brakes: the electric motor works in reverse to stop the wheels by converting their rotational energy to electricity saved in the battery. Hybrids also cut out the gasoline engine when the car drives very slowly or stops, minimizing energy wasted in idling. Gasoline-electric hybrids are an excellent choice for the environmentally aware consumer. Because of their high fuel economy, hybrids reduce both greenhouse gases and traditional pollutants, like any other high-mileage vehicle. But buying a hybrid gives the environment an extra boost because you are helping introduce an important, cutting-edge technology. So far, Honda and Toyota have released hybrid passenger cars, and Ford has released a hybrid SUV. You can expect to see many more models appear over the coming few years. #3:
Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia
farm is purchased at an elevated price just to fool around and the main income is through some other area. My father did the reverse - he inherited a farm from his father but found the income too low so he became a carpenter/builder/undertaker and ended up farming just as a hobby, plus he always had pure, un-tainted beef every year so no BSE or any muck that comes out of mass-production farming. Unfortunately I haven't inherited the farm so I have to start from scratch - got an acre and hoping to work up from that. Can you make biodiesel from apples 'cause I have tons of apple trees. It might smell better than biodiesel from vegetable oil!!! There's always cider and calvados (yes, I'm Irish and always thinking of drink!!!). Happy Friday ;oD Kim Garth Travis wrote: Greetings, I live in the middle of nowhere and yes, we do see this all the time. No one walks anywhere, no bicycles, very few motorcycles. They drive 25 miles to the city daily for whatever, even if they do not work. Many who live here drive 150+ miles a day to work and back. Me, I go to town once a week, in my Volks TDI. I did look at getting a motorcycle, but the animal feed ect. just doesn't fit. Eventually we hope to lower the amount we are spending off farm, but it takes time and effort to build the place, improve the soil and keep everything done. Being self sufficient is really hard to set up. For example, right now I have to buy milk and milk products because my cow is almost 2 weeks overdue to have her calf. I did have some milk in the freezer, but we ran out. Mother Nature makes this lifestyle an art, not a science. I have read books like 5 acres and independence, but they obviously did not have a Jersey cow. The biggest problem I have found it that local economy is so expensive. They expect you to pay dearly for the privilege of buying locally, to the tune of double what I can pay 25 miles away. Worse than that, the local produce store carries Californian oranges, not the Texas or Louisiana oranges that I get a Walmart. [I am in east Texas] We have nothing produced locally that is sold locally. The high gas prices have had little effect on the lifestyle. Most people who have moved here from the city have no interest in doing for themselves. Less than 10% of the homes have gardens, and this in a place where gardening year round is easy. The reality of today makes it hard to believe that any 'new urbanism' is going to be an improvement. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote: I think the reason the film spoke of new urbanism as one possible result (not solution) is that a possible trouble with moving further out is that unless you can provide all of your own goods/services (which most can not), the increased distance will require MORE not less transportation (and hence more energy). High density living facilitates a reduction/concentration of transportation, and also enables the use of higher efficiency transportation methods (mass transit for individuals, trains for goods, etc). _ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
with solar cells. Don't know what the purpose of the exercise is but anything to bring solar panel into mass production and bring down the price is good. I've priced solar panels for my house at 1000 Euros per 165 watt panel. I figure I'd need 10 of them to get 1kW average in Irish climate so the cost is 10k Euros and at an electricity rate of 12 cents per kW and an average of 8 hours per day of light, that's about 30 years to amortise my investment while the panels are guaranteed for something like 10 years and have a working life of 20 - hmm, much as I love this planet and all, I need cheaper solar panels to come out on top. Solar water heaters are a different matter - but this is a biofuel forum so we'd better stick to the topic like using biofuel to fire burners to heat the house - but wait, weren't we talking about powering cars. Apologies, I'm wandering - my brain has indeed reached meltdown - roll on the weekend. Maybe the heat from my brain could be used to power a Stirling engine to get me home this evening!!! bob allen wrote: how about decking over the parking spots with solar panels? How much energy could be captured if the whole parking space is paneled? the spaces in front of my building are 9X18 ft or 162 feet each. or about 15 meters squared. Paddy O'Reilly wrote: I've often thought about a car that would re-charge itself by solar panels when its sitting outside our offices for 8+ hours a day. Based on current technology it could convert about 2.6kW (0.33kwH x 8 hours) into electrical energy. However a 20 mile journey home could use up this energy in the first few miles. Has anybody looked at this scenario - where the electric-only car recharges itself during daylight hours through the use of solar panels integrated into the body panels? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ILEA Leaf #10: WHAT KIND OF CAR? You're concerned about the environment, but you need to drive. Which car will do the least damage? There's no easy answer, and you will have to make some tradeoffs between your budget and your determination to help change the world. But you will also need to think about what changing the world means to you: Is it more important to (a) help reduce future emissions an uncertain amount by investing in advanced technology or (b) reduce immediate emissions a known amount with existing technology? Is it more important to (a) fight climate change and foreign oil dependence by reducing fossil fuel use or (b) help clean the air in your region by reducing traditional pollutants from the car tailpipe? At ILEA we are all about life-cycle assessment, so we like to take the big picture approach: advancing technology trumps personal emissions, and greenhouse gases trump local pollutants. If you answer the questions differently, keep those differences in mind as you read through our recommendations; near the end of the email there's a comparison table to help you do this. Below are five basic choices you can take, beginning with the most conventional and ending with the most adventurous.[1] #_edn1 We think the most adventurous steps probably have the most impact on the big picture, but if you answered the questions differently than we do, you may want to take one of the other choices. #5: High-efficiency conventional cars If none of the more advanced options meet your needs, then you can still reduce both your greenhouse gas and your traditional pollutant emissions by being careful to choose a car with the highest fuel economy. Keep in mind though, this option will do little to advance new technologies. The U.S. EPA's fuel economy website http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ provides comparative ratings of nearly all cars available in the U.S. The American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy publishes the Green Book http://www.greenercars.com/ , which provides even more detailed environmental information. Though the EPA website is free, the Green Book is not: a month of access costs $8.95. Diesel engines are on average more efficient than gasoline engines. Just as one example, a manual transmission, 2005 VW Jetta Wagon is rated 36 city and 47 highway http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm . In the United States we tend to think of diesel cars as dirty, and indeed historically the tailpipe emissions have been much worse than for gasoline cars. But beginning in mid-2006 all automotive diesel fuel in the U.S. will be ultra-low sulfur http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm , allowing better emissions control and eliminating nearly all of the irritating exhaust fumes we normally expect from diesel engines. That means beginning in 2007, many diesel vehicles will be preferable to their gasoline counterparts. Also, if you choose a diesel vehicle, you will always be able to leapfrog to the much more aggressive biodiesel solution, #3 below. #4: Gasoline-electric hybrids Gasoline-electric hybrids (usually just called hybrids) have
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
Could a diesel hybrid with solar panels could be a marketable product? Solar-only is the ultimate clean machine but we're a smidge away from that yet. JD2005 wrote: - Original Message - From: Paddy O'Reilly I've often thought about a car that would re-charge itself by solar panels when its sitting outside our offices for 8+ hours a day. Has anybody looked at this scenario - where the electric-only car recharges itself during daylight hours through the use of solar panels integrated into the body panels? Is this the one where you use a diesel generator, running biofuel of course, to keep the batteries topped up? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
Mickey *B** wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:23:31 EST ILEA Leaf #10: WHAT KIND OF CAR? 2 or 3 years ago, I was passed by an automobile that had stickers all over it claiming to be Magnet Power. I did not get the website that it had, but I have been mildly interested in that for a while. Does anybody know about such a car as that? Mick _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia
moved down the country (Ireland) and is currently living 21 miles out from the city (in deliverance land) here's my angle on the thing. 1. Living in the city was hell - I cycled to work and at least once a week had my life threatened by a driver eventhough I wore the brightest clothes possible and always had lights at night. I think its such a pity that the rift between driver and cyclist is ever-widening. 2. Having said that I wouldn't travel any other way around the city - Dublin city was not developed with futureproofing in mind so the streets are like those of New York (or any other city in the world except those with wide streets) so traffic jams abound day and night. 3. Living out the country is wonderful but you do need private transport as Ireland's public transport is concentrated mainly in Dublin and reduces exponentially as you move further away from the epi-centre. I have cycled to work, but 21 miles each way is tough, so I've switched to a motorbike just to be different from all the other sheep who herd into Cork city every morning. I try to cycle during the Summer months just to fight off the middle-aged spread. 4. Broadband could be an option for working from home but I think we probably won't get that until the next millenium (yes - the year 3000 may see broadband routed to that part of the country). Again, its not Dublin so we don't really get anything new until all the money has been spent on cramming as many people into the city as possible. So in answer to Ken's question I would probably move further out, buy a farm and grow my own food plus some rape, sunflowers or anything else that could be converted into biofuel. I think it was Walt Disney who said that the secret of his success was to observe the masses and do the opposite! Apologies for the ranting but its Thursday evening in my part of the world and my brain is at meltdown from working!!! Paddy. Ken Provost wrote: on 2/24/05 8:18 AM, R Del Bueno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a great film out now called The End of Suburbia .. Oil depletion and the collapse of the American Dream http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ Matthew Simmons is featured in the film quite a bit. Everyone should see this film. I ordered it from Post Carbon Institute and have been showing it around for a couple weeks now. It's a bit timid, and it seems to put a lot of emphasis on new urbanism as a comfortable alterna- tive to the energy-intensive suburban model. Personally I favor a more rural lifeboat approach. I wonder how our non-U.S. members see this issue -- if you lived in the suburbs of a huge city, say, 20 km outside Paris or Berlin, gasoline was 10X today's price, and the city was suffering from food shortages, infrastucture breakdown, daily power outages, etc., would you try to: a) move in closer, b) stay where you are, or c) get further out? -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea
If you use a 90MHz PC, the instruction cycle time could be around 11ns and faster for higher speeds so if you use a basic DOS or Linux without Windows and something like Turbo C, which should optimise your code, you would get very rapid processing and be limited only by your transducer conversion times which are more in the millisecond (and longer) range for instrumentation. For full control and monitoring you will need much more than a parallel port (or serial port). I favour parallel ports because you can bit bash the ports in whatever protocol the peripheral requires so you can add on I2C devices or any other devices that can be addressable without adding lots of individual ports to your PC. I agree with you about the failsafe aspect - you don't want overheating situations where flash points are likely to be reached - this is where the bi-metallic strip can come in handy - set it to a point below the flash point but above your normal temperature and use it to cut off the supply to your heater (similar parameters to avoid creating a cyclone/twister with your agitator). A couple of years working in the mass transport arena polarises the mind towards taking account of all situations and planning for them. The wherewithal to design and build a multi-purpose analog/digital I/O board has eluded me since I built one for my final year project in university - but maybe one day ;-) Of course there's always a PIC microcontroller which has the aforementioned analog/digital I/O and a development system is a relatively cheap investment - but that contradicts the whole theme of reusing old PCs. Nothing is ever as easy as it seems on first glance. Look on the bright side - if things do go wrong you could have the opportunity to receive an honourable mention in the Darwin Awards - http://www.darwinawards.com/ (joke !!). Paddy. Kirk McLoren wrote: Greetings Mr. O'Reilly The 22ns you refer to is switching time of the output chip. What would be meaningful is response time from an input to the port and the corresponding output after processing time. Of course all of it will be very quick compared to the response time of a heater. I think what is being neglected in this discussion is emphasis on the ability to measure several things and graph them and store the records for later use. Transducers are a fascinating study and the heart of interfacing digital computers to the physical world. Don't forget backup failsafes. Any accidents in this fledgling enterprise will be blown all out of proportion to the public. Home processing could be banned for example. The people that own petroleum don't want competition. Kirk --- Paddy O'Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about using old PCs to do exactly this job for ages and for work I've used LabWindows to drive the parallel port for a host of stuff. I've been looking at using plain old DOS6.22 and freeware TurboC for control. Most parallel ports are bi-directional (well on any PC that still works), TurboC can be quite compact and when you run it under DOS there are no crazy Windows traps to fall into. I tested the PC port of an old 90MHz Pentium and I think I got 22ns switching rates from it. However, I haven't managed to get the time or useful purpose for any of my ideas yet but I'd be delighted to give you as much info as I have on controlling parallel ports and my limited knowledge of Turbo C. Paddy. . __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea
I've been thinking about using old PCs to do exactly this job for ages and for work I've used LabWindows to drive the parallel port for a host of stuff. I've been looking at using plain old DOS6.22 and freeware TurboC for control. Most parallel ports are bi-directional (well on any PC that still works), TurboC can be quite compact and when you run it under DOS there are no crazy Windows traps to fall into. I tested the PC port of an old 90MHz Pentium and I think I got 22ns switching rates from it. However, I haven't managed to get the time or useful purpose for any of my ideas yet but I'd be delighted to give you as much info as I have on controlling parallel ports and my limited knowledge of Turbo C. Paddy. DHAJOGLO wrote: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea Hi everyone, ... I was thinking of developing generic software (in C or assembler) for old computers to convert them into process controllers. For example, it might make an effective temperature controller for your still. If this works, I would take the programs and put them on a web page for download. If it's truly generic (compatible with all XX86 architecture), it will be a matter of copying the executable file to the hard drive of a computer, adding a line to the autoexec.bat file and making a harness (serial/parallel port to solid state relays and sensors). Mike, I think you have a great idea. I do know that your choice of OS will be important. Between linux and microsoft there are a host of small, compact OSes that can be customized for specific support. I say this because depending on the level of control you are looking for (just turning off a mixer after a time limit or actually opening valves and running pumps) may be difficult to attain with a generic OS. However, I would look into the following areas for inspiration http://www.automatedaquariums.com/ http://www.brewtechlabs.com/prod01_falcon.htm http://www.employees.org/~joestone/Sbs/ http://www.controlanything.com/ When I started beer brewing I ran across some of this information. I don't brew enough beer to use any of this but its worth looking into. Let us know how you are progressing. I may be able to provide some help though I have never tried anything of this nature. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea
always a rush of adrenalin when you run your own program and wait in anticipation to see if your programming skills don't blow up your basement ;o) Kirk McLoren wrote: Computers are great. I like them. But they aren't as reliable as simple physical systems. As for the delta T a bimetal can operate over it is a question of mechanical design. An electronic controller may theoretically switch over a change of a milli degree but in the real world the conductivity from the heater to the mass, the rate of heating, amount of mixing in a tank, rates of cooling etc can make for some temperature differences that are enormously larger than the sensitivity of the controller. As for upset my daughters computer lost its CMOS settings when the wrong breaker was thrown. Failed CMOS battery? Doesn't lose setup info if powered down. Doesn't lose it every time either. She also lost a satellite internet transponder due to a glitch on the powerline last year. Expensive spike that one. You will also note Windows users are warned to not use windows for critical control applications such as life support. In industry numerical controllers are widely used but critical operations have staff during operation and redundant controls if failure analysis indicates. Redundant controls and voting? That helps failure rate but it is still not perfect. I think if you size the heater so that if it fails on while unattended so that it cannot cause a fire or other danger then maybe your computer controller is an acceptable risk. Maybe include a bimetal disk cutout at 10 or 20 above highest temp ever used. Appliance clothes dryers have a backup cutout. They have to. Too many fires otherwise and those controllers are much more reliable than windoze. I think old computers are great for data logging but be damn careful when you include them in the loop for control. Always have a backup safety or you may have a situation not bargained for. Kirk --- Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Kirk. Thanks for the reply. I have a couple of follow-up questions: First, Is accuracy of your temperature set points (or other I/O) a critical issue for controlling a process? Because, a PID or Smith compensator control can give you far better control of your process than a bi-metallic strip for example. Second, I'd like to rephrase the question: Is there any way (in your opinion) that obsolete computers can be put to use for the purposes of generating alternative energy? Lastly: Can anything really be called foolproof? If I count the number of times that I have a power outage/lightning strike on my property, I still come up with a good risk assessment -- especially since set points can be stored in memory while power is down and I'm not sure if any control system aside from a purely mechanical one, would be effective during those relatively rare times that a mishap occurs. I've made all of my arguments (so far) without touching on the potential of a computer like a 486 as a platform for control and data acquisition -- all for the price of a bi-metallic strip. So, after reading your reply and agreeing with its logic, I'm still not convinced that the idea of using obsolete computers is too far off base. Mike Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A temperature controller that would not upset because of lightning or other power line disturbance and would not lose its settings with power supply failure may prove superior especially if less expensive. Thus a bimetal strip may prove best in the long run. I am in favor of data logging and alarms via computer but fool proof and ultra reliable control usually means no computer. Kirk --- Michael Redler wrote: Hi everyone, For those of you who are working on your process control for ethanol/methanol or biodiesel production, I was wondering about something. I hate to send anything to the land fill or scrap yard that I might be able to use later and I'm sure you feel the same way. This philosophy has caused me to become a bit of a pack rat (and dumpster diver). My basement is neatly organized with old (486 and P1) computers, motors, and other mechanical/electrical devices from dissected printers and other obsolete or broken down equipment. I was thinking of developing generic software (in C or assembler) for old computers to convert them into process controllers. For example, it might make an effective temperature controller for your still. If this works, I would take the programs and put them on a web page for download. If it's truly generic (compatible with all XX86 architecture), it will be a matter of copying the executable file to the hard drive of a computer, adding a line to the autoexec.bat file and making a harness (serial/parallel port to solid state relays and sensors). Has anyone tried this already and if so, can that person please share their experience
Re: [Biofuel] Feathers in PCs No Birdbrain Idea
Kirk McLoren wrote: - Feathers in PCs No Birdbrain Idea By Katie Dean Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66361,00.html 02:00 AM Feb. 22, 2005 PT Researchers are turning to an unlikely source to developenvironmentally friendly computer components: the barnyard. Richard Wool, a professor of chemical engineering at the University of Delaware,wants to recycle discarded chicken feathers and use them to manufacturecircuit boards, replacing petroleum-based components with keratin-basedcomposites. Computer circuit boards are only one of the manyapplications researchers envision for this material. lt;agt;lt;imggt;lt;/agt; This is no birdbrain idea. One of the most well-known technologycompanies, Intel, is contributing its expertise to the project, Woolsaid. He recently submitted a proposal to the U.S. Department ofAgriculture for $500,000 over four years. If it is funded, theresearch will start in the fall. The basic goal is to introduce new green materials that will have apositive effect on the environment, reduce waste materials, provide abetter bang for the farmers' buck and improve the current properties ofpetroleum-based printed circuit boards, which are not sustainable,Wool said. It's the kind of the thing the USDA should be funding, he said. It'stheir chickens and their soybeans. Circuit boards are typically made of an epoxy-fiberglass composite,Wool said, which is then printed with wires and circuits. Woolenvisions using soybean oil to replace the epoxy and chicken feathersto replace the fiberglass, creating a healthier composite for theenvironment. The hair on the chicken feathers -- the quill is not used --contains about 50 percent air, which has some benefits: It lightens theweight of the composite and creates an environment conducive tohigh-speed circuits, Wool said. An Intel representative said it was a bit premature to discuss theproject at this time. Thanks to the country's appetite for chicken, there are a plenty offeathers available. They are generally seen as a nuisance, researcherssay, so it makes sense to reuse the 5 billion pounds of chickenfeathers generated in the United States each year. Currently, thefeathers are rendered into low-grade animal feed for cattle, calledfeather meal. Because of concerns over mad cow disease, the Food and DrugAdministration and the USDA are in the process of reviewing regulationson feeding animal byproducts like feather meal to herbivores, accordingto Walter Schmidt, research scientist for the USDA and the leadscientist on the feather-to-fiber patent. Feathers are not permittedfor use in animal feed in Great Britain and Europe. Using it in animal feed is a way of getting rid of a wasteproduct, Schmidt said. If (poultry producers) can make more moneyselling it for fiber, they would immediately do that. Schmidt said that in order for feathers to be useful in themanufacturing process, there must be a product that makes a profit, andsomeone needs to supply the fiber to the plant at a production levelthat is suitable for the manufacturer's use. Researchers are steppingin to address the first concern; David Emery, CEO and president ofFeatherFiber -- the only company that has licensed the USDA patent forfeather fiber -- addresses the second. There (are) always parts of an animal that companies wish theydidn't have because they don't make much money on them, said Emery, amechanical engineer and veteran of the meat-processing industry whobuilt all the machines in his pilot plant in Missouri. I always lookedat how I could process whatever part of the animal it was. To turn feathers into a usable product, they are first plucked fromthe birds at chicken-processing plants and then the hot, wet feathersare immediately hauled to Emery's plant. There the undesirable partslike chicken heads, feet, windpipes and fecal matter are sorted outfrom the truckload of feathers. They're not a nice sight, to put it mildly, Emery said. And theydon't smell very good, either. The feathers go through multiple washes, are dried, and the fibers(the fluffy part of the feather) are separated from their quills. Theequipment can also handle turkey feathers, which are normally difficultto process. It's like jamming pencils into conveyer belts, Emerysaid. The feather fiber and chopped-up quills are then baled separately. Wool, the University of Delaware researcher, receives the feathersafter Emery converts the feather fiber into keratin mats that resemblepaper towels. They are then placed into a mold, layered on top of oneanother and infused with a soybean resin that hardens and forms thecomposite. The material is then put through the circuit-printingprocess to become a circuit board. In addition to use in circuit boards, other possible applicationsfor the feathers include composite materials for the construction andautomotive industries. Hurricane-resistant roofing, termite-proofbuilding materials and nonstructural
Re: [Biofuel] Question
The word you are looking for could be Angstrom which is one tenth of a nanometer. It is used mainly in chemistry and sometimes in electronics. Paddy. Pieter Koole wrote: Hello dear all, Can anyone tell me how to find out what is glycerin, soap or solid BD ? Recently I made a few batches of BD from a very poor quality WVO.( about one I already wrote; it was with water in it, which was of course my mistake ). At the moment it is winter in Holland and the temp is around zero ¡ C. The BD turns to a mixture of solid and liquid and I don't know what is what. When I filter it and put the liquid part in the tank, it is ok, but the solid part is about half of the whole lot. I don't realy trust this part enough to put in my tank in the summer, because it might be glyc or even soap or a mixture of the both (even mixed with solid BD ). Any help or advice would be very welcome. Something about the mistake I made : I made BD in a tank where there was some water in. The BD did not get clear, but like coffee with milk. I washed a one liter sample about 20 times now, and it is getting coffee with even more milk. The water at the bottom is clear now, but I am getting a little less BD after every time I washed it. Do you think I should turn the whole lot into soap, or is there any other solution thinkable ( I can imagion something with zeolite, but still I have not found any place where I can buy this stuff ( as far as I know I would need 3 )). By the way, is an old fashioned something (what is the word ?). These days it is written as 1.10 » meter, where a is -10 in this case. Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
