Re: [Biofuel] heat regenerative cyclone engine
I would be concerned about the safety of a vehicle with this. Boiler explosions are very dangerous. A small leak will shoot out the supercritical gas/liquid, which will expand rapidly under standard pressure and burn anyone to death that is near it. It seems that putting this in a moving vehicle would make an explosion very likely (could it keep its structural integrity hitting a median wall at 60mph?) But, it doesn't sound like this uses as much water as a typical boiler (more water = bigger explosion), so it might have better uses producing power for a residence, hopefully using a renewable fuel (woodgas, methane, ethanol, biodiesel, veggie oil, ect). Replacing the internal combustion engine is a very popular problem right now, and it seems like people are trying to fit any innovation to that problem instead of considering where the innovation would be best used. It seems to me that innovators need to ask themselves which problem is this the best solution for instead of what is the best problem (or most popular problem) that this can solve. Many a good invention has flopped because it hasn't targeted the correct market. Paul Webber On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Eric Schaetzle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, don't scrap the old to make way for the new. But if we are to make any new (and every year autos run off assembly lines around the world), I hope we make them best we can. If I had a nickel for every popsci prediction that hasn't come to pass... And yet, this one seems a little further along and practical than others have been. BTW, love the signature line quote. --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] heat regenerative cyclone engine To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 11:34 AM Eric Schaetzle wrote: Hear about Harry Schoell, the inventor of the heat regenerative cyclone engine yet? Basically a steam engine, but the steam is very hot. At any rate, it is a good sight better than internal combustion, but almost anything is... Lots of applications it seems, versatile. Looks like a very promising engine, hope it has a future. http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-05/steam-under-hood Cyclone Power Technologies' Clean Green Engine Fox News http://youtube.com/watch?v=ja-h7ti4VRQfeature=related Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc (OTCPK:CYPW) http://youtube.com/watch?v=eFIbB97HcgY Here is a short summary of the operation: http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/070605.html Personally, I really like steam power. Always have. I've also been reading popsci for over 40 years, and kinda got over jumping at everything they claim is going to replace internal combustion. Truth is, -in my considered opinion- that for one thing, despite the talk to the contrary, internal combustion is already pretty darned good, better in fact, than most folks are willing to credit. The fuel is what's mostly at issue, as what comes out has a lot to do with what goes in. It's true you can power a steam engine with a lot of different stuff, it's also true you can power in internal combustion engine with a lot of different stuff. AND there are ALREADY a *LOT* of internal combustion engines around. and I mean LOT, a whole LOT, many times more than human kind, or even earth kind will ever actually need. more engines isn't really the answer, I don't think. Depends on the question I suppose. Learning to use what we have in ways that make sense, is going to get us closer to the heart of the problem/challenge, says me. I don't mean to say this isn't really interesting, and no doubt useful. Not at all. But throwing away what we have for the bright and shiny what we can get, is what got us here in the first place. -- Chip Mefford Before Enlightenment; chop wood carry water After Enlightenment; chop wood carry water - Public Key http://www.well.com/user/cpm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED
[Biofuel] Israel might be held accountable (a little) for cluster bombs?
They will probably just get a slap on the wrist, but thats better than nothing. And maybe, just maybe, the US might think twice before selling weapons to Israel. -paul http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/middle_east/6310945.stm Israel 'broke US arms deal terms' *Israel probably violated the terms of its arms deals with Washington by using US-made cluster bombs in Lebanon last year, a US government report says.* The state department looked into Israel's use of cluster bombs in civilian areas of southern Lebanon during its conflict with Hezbollah. US-made weapons are sold to the Israeli military with restriction on their use. Cluster bombs can scatter hundreds of small bomblets over a wide area, and their use has been widely criticised. The International Committee of the Red Cross called for a ban on the use of cluster bombs in populated areas, because of the indiscriminate civilian deaths they caused. And Amnesty International has criticised Israel for its use of cluster bombs in the final days of the conflict. *Military aid* The US government has now sent a preliminary report on its investigation into the matter to the US Congress. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the report delivered to Congress was not a final judgement. He refused to elaborate on the report's conclusion, but said the terms agreed with Israel for the use of US-supplied munitions were likely to have been violated. This is a preliminary finding and because it also involves the agreements about use (of munitions), which are classified, I cannot get into the details, he added. Congress will now consider the report before deciding whether to take any further action against Israel. Israel has consistently maintained it uses cluster bombs in line with international law. Last November Israel's military said it would investigate how the bombs were used during the conflict. Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said Israel would co-operate fully with the US inquiry. Israel takes the concerns raised by the US very seriously. In our response, we have been as detailed, as forthcoming and transparent as possible, he said. The US is Israel's biggest military donor, offering about $2bn of aid and assistance each year. -- Paul Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] French green groups call for national lights-out on Feb 1
What is the chance of something like this damaging parts of the electrical grid??? -paul On 1/24/07, David Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/s/afp/unclimatefrance French green groups call for national lights-out on Feb 1 PARIS (AFP) - French environmentalists have called on citizens to switch off their lights for five minutes on February 1, coinciding with a major meeting here on climate change, to show concern about global warming. By turning off lights and also electrical gadgets that are in stand-by mode, citizens, the media and decision-makers will get the message about energy waste and the urgent need for action, the Alliance for the Planet said on Friday. The scheduled event is for 7:55 pm and 8:00 pm (1855-1900 GMT). The Alliance for the Planet is an umbrella of about 50 green associations, including the local branches of Greenpeace and WWF, and professional organisations connected with the environment. The UN's paramount scientific authority on climate change meets in Paris from January 29 to February 1 to hammer out the first volume of a long-awaited report on the state of global warming today. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is widely expected to declare that climate change is already on the march, many years sooner than expected, and the consequences for humans and biodiversity could be dire. The volume is to be released at a press conference on February 2. The other two follow in April, dealing specifically with the effects of climate change, coping with those impacts and the possibilities for reducing the fossil-fuel pollution causing the problem. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney
d seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of its creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40 million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns. These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political leaning of and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk shows. Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that could be construed as right-wing political propaganda on such a grave and important event involving the security of our nation is a discredit both to the Disney brand and to the legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable individuals from David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney would seek to use Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American children as a substitute for factual information is a disgrace. As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, "It is critically important to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and particularly our school children, understand what actually happened and why – so that we can proceed from a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity to make our country safer." Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the factual record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American people and the United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look forward to hearing back from you soon. Sincerely, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin Senator Debbie Stabenow Senator Charles Schumer Senator Byron Dorgan* *The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's broadcast license. Not the use of the word trustee at the beginning of the letter and trust at the end. This is nothing less than an implicit threat that if Disney tries to meddle in the US elections on behalf of the Republicans, they will pay a very serious price when the Democrats get back in power, or even before. This raises the stakes incredibly for Disney.* * * __._,_.___ =To get less email go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OnlineDemocrats/join and pick digests or read on line, rather than individual email. You can also make some other changes there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OnlineDemocrats/members shows who the members are. Read the messages on line at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OnlineDemocrats/messages rs are. Read the messages on line at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OnlineDemocrats/messages SPONSORED LINKS Avoid probate Government procurement Avoid hangover Government jobs Government grants for women=== message truncated ===___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.or
Re: [Biofuel] The decider decides to give himself more power
Previously, the president only had the power to petition Congress to allow him to grant himself the power to grant more power to himself, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez said shortly after the ceremony. Now, the president can grant himself the power to interpret new laws however he sees fit, then use that power to interpret a law in such a manner that in turn grants him increased power.(so he gave himself the power to grant himself the power to restrict the power ... ahhh)That article gave me a headache.-Paul On 8/4/06, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes,just what we need.The Decider deciding he needs more powers. Shheeshhttp://www.theonion.com/content/node/51140 Bush Grants Self Permission To Grant More Power To SelfGet your daily alternative energy newsAlternate Energy Resource Network1000+ news sources-resources updated dailyhttp://www.alternate-energy.netNext Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/Tomorrow-energyhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
of the Israeli government. They don't have asuperpower protecting them from internationalsanctions and supplying them with billions of dollars.The United States should be telling Israel to get outof the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle itssettlements and checkpoints, and to allow Palestinianrefugees to return to or be compensated for the landthe Israelis stole.You want to know why we have a problem with terrorism?It's not Islamic fundamentalists or hatred of freedom.It's our support of Israel's unspeakable abuse ofPalestinians. Don't blame Osama bin Laden. Blame thepresident, Congress, the American Israel PublicAffairs Committee and all the cowardly Americans whopractice hypocrisy by claiming to be moral whilesupporting gross immorality committed against theirfellow human beings in Palestine. 2006 by King Features Syndicate, Inc.Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground.- Anonymous ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] shedding fat for oil
My aunt has a prius in LA, California. Prius's can use the HOV lane there because of their environmental-friendlyness, but that's kinda ironic because she gets lower gas milage driving in the HOV lane (at higher speeds) than she did when she didn't (in stop-and-go bumper-to-bumper traffic). PaulOn 7/11/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: howdy Mike, here is a 110 mpg Priushttp://www.autoblog.com/2005/08/09/team-achieves-over-100-mpg-in-toyota-prius/ my prius gets about 53 mpg ave during mild weather and drops to the high40s in really cold weather- a month or two a year. Driving is a mix ofhighway and city. Highway speed is between 55 and 60. Mike Weaver wrote: I've done extensive tests, involving titration, iteration, recursions, incursions and regression to the mean.I've calculated the modulus and the regulus, not to mention the pendulus and I always come back to the same thing:I don't really know what I'm talking about. Actually, what I probably should have said was:On long road trips I've noticed the mileage really starts to drop after the engine rpm's go past about 1850.At about 1850 rpm, the car is going around 58-59 mph, and gets around 58-59 mph on very flat land w/ cruise control.The mileage goes down to the high 40's if I follow traffic speed- 70 - 75 mph. I expect it would do better at 55. There is some guy claiming 1440 miles for one tank of gas in a TDI Golf.My best is only around 850 or so, all highway. -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some 30 or so years ago I read from several source that the best mileage was obtained from North American cars around 35-40 mph. I understand the the cars in the transcontinental mileage contests that used to be held were specially modified with gear rations and transmissions to accelerate from about 5 mph to about 15 mph, switch off, coast down to 5 mph and start and accelerate again. That way they got the drag advantage of low speed plus the engine efficiency advantage of operating at high manifold pressure during acceleration (but not too high manifold pressure, avoiding rich mixture). Continuous opertion at a steady speed at high manifold pressure and low speed would involve such extreme overdrive (except maybe with a continuously variable transmission) that it would be very hard to accelererate or handle even gentle hills, and the car would be very hard to drive. Car drag is a mixture of rolling resistance (power consumption varies directly as the square of the speed) and air drag (power consumption varies directly as the cube of the speed). I am *really* suprised that someone would get best mileage at 59 mph and I suspect something odd going on. It seems to me that the drag would be just too high regardless of how the gearing was optimized. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Mike Weaver wrote: for whatever reason my Golf seems to get the best mileage at 59 mph. Jonathan Hardin wrote: I'm curious about something.In particular the concept of limiting top speed to 55mph. I understand this being important on any car build/imported into the US before the speed limit change in the mid 90's.However, have car companies not modified their timing/ratios on the transmissions of vehicles built after this point in time?(I drive a 1990 Camry so the top speed of 55mph is what I try to stick with, but I am curious about newer cars). I know the adage about 55mph is from before the speed limit change; and it seems simple for the car manufacters to change the ratios to move the best ratios up to a 60 or 65mph area rather then 55mph. Just curious Jonathan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/--Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bobScience is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http
Re: [Biofuel] Class Warfare: The Minimum Wage Goes Down
I volunteer for a group called Charis House in Atlanta, GA. What they do is build a house in a run-down area of the city and sell it at cost to try to help a family get back on its feet and to make the neighborhood better. After a few houses get built in the neighborhood, property values start to rise and the people that the organization is trying to help are forced to sell their homes and move because they cannot afford the property taxes. -Paul WebberOn 6/30/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine owned a small farm in Colorado. Developers bought up the areas around it and the value of the land started doubling every year. Pretty soon it was worth about 60 times what it was when he bought it and the yearly taxes were larger than what he had originally paid for it. Now there are 20 some ugly houses on that farm... So in the end he had quite a bit of money from selling it, but owned nothing Just an example of how property value increase isn't always a good thing, even though we generally assume that it is. On 6/27/06, Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John- one problem is if even you own property outright you haven'teliminated your debt. The tax man will still demand payment.As willthe insurance man if the use of said property brings mandatory liabilityinsurance coverage.That's not to say you wouldn't be better off owning property outright.Doug, N0LKKKansas USA inc.When all else fails- Amateur Radio http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/pscm/sec1-ch1.html ARES John Mullan wrote:snipped Economic crash and the re-issue of currency has happened before and has to happen again.To survive, eliminate your debt and try desperately to own all your property out-right. Just my two-cents worth. Cheers, John___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. The reason that everyone is so quick to believe that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons is that the current administration is very obviously antagonistic towards them. Most people would try to get weapons themselves if they were in Iran's position to protect themselves against the malevolence of the US. Most people would probably not admit it because that would imply that we are reaping what we sow.On 1/17/06, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote:From a religious studies perspective, I believe Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all semetic religions, and originally stem from Judaism which was founded (or evolved from previous multi-diety/agricultural religions) in the middle east around 4,000 years ago.Perhaps it's more accurate to say that all three religions stemmedfrom the faith of a single man, a wanderer (Habiru, in one of the ancient languages) named Abram who believed in God.His sons, Ishmaeland Isaac, are reckoned as inheritors of the promises God made toAbram.Islam traces its lineage of faith through Ishmael, the Jewsand Christians through Isaac. A tragedy in all of this discussion centers upon promises forprosperity that God made to Abram thousands of years ago.These areused as a pretext to justify all manner of behaviors which God clearly does not approve (murder, theft, covetousness, etc.) by the hypocrisyof ignoring these clear commands for the sake of achieving politicalends.If God made the promises, he should be left to deliver on them WITHOUT our getting in the way.(After all, if he is God, why wouldhe need us to help him?)So now we're talking about possible sanctions against Iran.In aninterview Karl Vick yesterday, NPR broadcast a contention that Iran's nuclear program was first discovered three years ago, but that it hadbeen going on in secret for 18 years.What I found interesting inthis centers upon Karl Vick's admission that the Iranians, accordingto the provisions of treaties they've signed, have the full right to develop nuclear power.Yet Mr. Vick, who is a reporter for TheWashington Post, consistently blended the concepts of nuclear powerwith nuclear weapons, as if the two were completely interchangeable.Canada has had nuclear power reactors for many years, but nobody worries that Canada is developing WMDs.I don't hear the same kind ofconcern about nuclear weapons up here that Karl Vick casually mixed into his discussion with Melissa Block on NPR.One of the mostfrightening things about this kind of talk, is that once the non-thinking public begins to believe that nuclear power = nuclearweapons, we're easily maneuvered into thinking that the only solutionto the potential threat lies in preventing nations like Iran (who arenot good like us, after all) from building power plants at all costs. Mr. Vick pointed out, however, that the Iranians see this asscientific apartheid, and that there is no level playing fieldamong nations when it comes to nuclear power.Then, he launched into a comparison of the Iranian president with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavezand leftist president Morales of Bolivia.He might as well havesaid that the Iranians are in league with the devil, given the prevailing attitude of most Americans to those particular leaders.Even though at the very end of the interview he admitted that Iran istalking about power, NOT nuclear weapons, the damage had already beendone. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5159746I was a little disappointed that Melissa Block didn't take her colleague to task over this.It seems like we're being duped again.robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] new subject line!!! was ... Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
I subscribed to this list to read about a lot of things, but grammer is not one of them. I going to stop reading this thread not because I am not interested in the subject, but because it has become an argument over what the definition of a word is. Come on, we're actual people here, not politicians. I please me greatly if people would post about issues and not just bicker and snipe. Just my two cents, Paul WebberOn 12/8/05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Bob, that's certainly one way to avoid addressing an incongruity.It's a darned good thing that there's a second ball around here so thatwhen you take yours and go home the rest of the world doesn't have to stop. May poles for you and back to work for me.Todd SwearingenTodd, you are repeating yourself and to be honest it is both tedious andboring.toodlesAppal Energy wrote: Bob,You've surely noticed by now that I'm somewhat of a literalist. Yes,there are nuances to everything which can dampen the literal. But forclaims of eradication to exist in the literal sense, that would mean no stores, no inventories, no weapons, no stockpiles and no incidents inthe human population whatsoever.Now if you wish to discuss the issue in the figurative sense, that's an entirely different ball of wax.here is another straw man Todd, I said and meanno such thing. I accept the word could as thesame where ever it is used, and I have said nothing to the contrary.Oh but you have issued contradictory comments that allude to somethingakin to two different approaches. On the one had you stated that the word could in a sentence raises red flags and clouds an issue acrossthe entire harbour for you. On the other hand, when it was noted thatsuch a word is a simplified cautionary statement, you suggested that I had apparently not read many inserts from various drugs. This in turnsgives the appearance of two different standards - one where the wordcould raises red flags and one where the word could is acceptable and apparently not to be questioned.Same word. Two different applications.You didn't have to say something directly in order to give the implication. What I said was that the word could means precisely that - anoccurrence could take place. It doesn't indicate that it will occureach and every time. But it does or can indicate that something is liable to happen on an occasional instance.This is by and large no different than the term acceptable risk, savefor the fact that in the latter it's not a matter of if, but whom and when. All a bit like Russian roulette in both cases. You know it and I know it.Now if you'd like to take issue with the charlatans who prey upon othersby using the same terminologies in an abject manner, then let's do so. But let's not mix the two and lend the appearance that all who use theword could or might are out to fleece the world in order to gainleverage for their own particular special interest. let's try to keep it in context.What I said was inthe context of an article that stated that inoculationscould be worse than the cure.In the face of overwhelmingly evidence to the contrary, testimonialsabout injury to individuals does nothing to advanceknowledge of the subject.Nothing? Nothing at all? Are you suggesting that bringing to light the negative of any course of action furthers nothing?I believe I've mentioned once before that one of the most worthwhilelines I've ever read in any biblical text is that My people perish for lack of knowledge. Yet here you're discounting knowledge, or onlyaccounting knowledge as that which happens in a laboratory under adouble blind study. I wonder from what pool only that the studies of investigators and scientists stem from? The sterile lab or life in itsentirety?I believe I've stated before that the practice of discounting so readilycan lend all too well to a broad chasm in understanding. you're beginning to repeat yourself, Todd.Of course I am Bob. But that wouldn't have to happen if you'd stopdancing around the May pole.As for vide infra? What's above addresses precisely that. Todd Swearingen___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
