RE: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting conservationists against soccer moms
I am sorry to hear about the poor bus system Greg. I live in Portland, OR and the bus system here is great. I take the bus to school, work, play, and everything inbetween. The bus system seems to run on time + or - 5 minutes at the most. The main problem here, in my opinion, is that the transportation system doesn't use any type of biofuel and honestly doesn't seem that interested. I used to live in CO and some of the local buses ran off of ethanol atleast. They even had a bus that went to many of the ski resorts on the weekend. In college we used to fight for the passes and the bus system couldn't keep up with the demand. I live outside the city so I like the fact that bus system doesn't charge on mileage(!) but I agree that to many it seems like a pain to pay a dollar to head up to the store. I don't know if it is true or not, but my dad used to tell me that to run a car (on top of the subsidized price we pay for gas and the environmental damage it does) it costs around $1 to $2 a mile to run on upkeep and insurance. If this is the case, then buses could be cheaper, we just don't realize it. In the end though, if buses aren't reliable then people wont use them. -rawls A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, sail a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - R. A. Heinlein -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:21 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting conservationists against soccer moms - Original Message - From: Richard Morgan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 09:00 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting conservationists against soccer moms It seems to me if a person wanted to cut fuel use all they would have to do is change the system of public transport. Instead of charging a set amount for city busses, charge a nickel between numbered mile stops. A person is more likely to run for bread in a bus for ten cents than get clipped for a buck or more for a short distance. Wouldn't it be better to have a thousand full busses going everywhere in a town than 25,000 cars covering the same places with constant engine starts between points. Of course it wouldn't hurt to run the busses every five to ten minutes apart instead of every twenty or whatever. Yea, they run about once every 45 min to an hour here, and even then they don't make any garentees about time and service. One time I needed the bus to get to an interview across town, twenty min. if I had my car, I left 2 hrs early, half way thru, the ride, had to switch to a cab because with 30 min left, I was barley halfway to were I needed to be. I then took the bus back to the interview, and it took 3 hrs. to get home, and this is a small town. I'll never ride a bus again if I have a choice. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] start up money and details
Group- I am interested in how the businesses on this list got the money to start up? Did you fund it yourself, get VC or investors. I would love to hear from some of you regarding this and how you went about setting it up. I am interested in the commercial production of biofuel and I am trying to figure out the most efficient way of doing it. I am really interested in a way of making the production as independent and localized as possible. Any help is greatly appreciated, Rawls Moore A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, sail a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - R. A. Heinlein Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] commercial and co-op biofuel group
Group - I have set up a group (biofuelmanufacturer) on yahoo to discuss topics pertaining to starting a small biofuel co-op/business. Please email me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the group is invitation only) if you are interested in joining or if you have any questions. Thanks, Rawls Moore Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biofuelers in portland, or
Does anyone know of commercial or home biofuelers in the area of Portland, OR? I would like to talk to anyone who is in the area regarding biofuels. Thanks, rawls Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion
Malcolm- I am interested to hear about your RR with the tdi. I was told that wasn't really possible. Most people have told me you need a Defender or a Disco I. I currently have a 91 RR, but it isn't in the greatest shape. I would like to see if I could get it to run off of ethanol though. If you don't mind, shoot me a mail and let me know how the conversions went, cost (if you don't mind sharing that stuff!), and you experience with the tdi. thanks for the mail! --rawls -Original Message- From: malcolm maclure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion Dear Rawls, I saw your post on the Biofuel group. We have a G reg RR, a tdi conversion (from a 4.9 petrol) I'd love to chat. I'm very interested in biodiesel ethanol production use! So do get in touch! Cheers Malcolm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biofuel
I am new to the list so please forgive the newbie question. I have been trying to research wether or not I can run straight ethanol in my 99 dodge dakota. Everything I am finding on the Internet regarding ethanol refers to certain cars that have the ability to run gas and E85. I also tried to contact several Dodge dealers to see if they had any info, and no one seemed to know what I was talking about. If any one has experience running ethanol, or a mixture of ethanol/gas, could you p-mail me or just send me a link so I can get started researching this? TIA, Rawls Moore ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
