Re: [Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2

2009-06-18 Thread Ric Cuchetto
Your rant was timely.  As usual, Keith's skillful moderation acknowledged 
both sides of this important discussion.
Current events suggest that YOU are the best filter on internet information. 
Thanks to Keith for the lesson on the mission of this discussion group.  I 
think it has broader significance this week.
Although I too grow weary of all these posts from a single subscriber on 
such a variety of topics, it is a great benefit to merely filter what is 
useful and ignore the rest.
The free flow of information is exactly what makes this discussion board 
worth following.

Regards,

Ric

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From: David Penfold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2



Keith,

I wasn't trying to get her contributions banned, merely to get her to be a 
bit more selective. But, yes, I guess I can just delete. I have actually 
found some of her stuff quite interesting.

It was an allergic reaction, and I guess it was out of order. So ignore my 
little rant...

David

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 Thankyou Michelle, indeed so, well put.

 David,
 
 I have subscribed for some time now without much, if any
 contribution.  There is a variety of topics posted here for
 discussion.  Many of which I delete without reading, but I am
 thankful these people are allowed to post and share their knowledge
 and/or concern for things they think we should be aware of.  Many of
 these readers/contributors have a niche in a certain interest or
 topic that would take me lifetimes of reading, research, and
 understanding to acquire.  I am thankful they are allowed to post.
 
 On occasion I feel it necessary to speak up and defend the posts
 because I have learned so much from this website.  I am thankful for
 the broad and specific, on topic and off topic, and the ever
 enriching environment that is encouraged.
 
 Michele
 
 
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   Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:25:24 +0200
   Subject: [Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2
 
 
With all due respect, while I'm sure your posts are of interest
 to us all, I'm not sure of the relevance to the raison d'etre of
 this list.

 It's a sustainability list really, and so it must deal with
 non-sustainability too, and there are all these grey areas where the
 various issues merge into each other. Energy affects just about
 everything, lots of dots to join up, you can start just about
 anywhere, it's all connected. Where one draws the relevance line
 depends on your point of view, and with a worldwide membership not
 many people would draw it in the same place. (That's part of its
 strength.) Much better to leave it open than to try to restrict it.

 There was a lot of fighting about this eight or nine years ago, and
 that was the consensus in the end. It's in the list rules: No calls
 for restricted discussion. It's a discussion list, not a
 less-discussion list. No topic-cops.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70818.html
 [Biofuel] List rules

 With open discussion nobody's deprived of anything, but trying to
 keep the discussions strictly on-topic would deprive those who don't
 see it that way. Also, the highly useful list archives would have
 much less depth than it's accumulated through open discussion.

 Anyway, nobody's forced to read anything, messages have subject
 titles, if you're not interested don't read them.

Personally, it's like a flashback to all my mother's emails from
 Dr Briffa. At least I could tell her to stop.

 :-) Or just not read them. See
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html.

 All best

 Keith


No offence meant,
 
David






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RE: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve...

2005-08-09 Thread Ric Cuchetto
ASTM testing is at the end of the process.  We are also struggling with
taxes and licensing and posting bond related to transporting the waste
veggie oil.  There is quite a bit of resistance to these technologies.
Truckers, renderers and petro companies do a much better job of lobbying
than the grass roots folks.  Even forward-thinking folks trying to build
methanizers or biodiesel plants find that the insurance, licensing and
certification make it difficult to justify the costs.  Let's not even start
with the transportation (fuel) taxes.

Commercialization is a big hurdle compared to dumpster diving and making
fuel for your buddies.

Regards,
 
Ric Cuchetto
Northern california

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Hi Mike,
Can you (or others) expand on this please? How much of a fortune? I've 
been searching for info on the tax and regulatory issues of producing 
and selling BD on a small scale. I wouldn't mind joining or starting a 
co-op, but cooperatively-minded folk are thin on the ground in South 
Florida.

Thanks, Taryn

On Aug 9, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:


 Also, you can't set up a Biodiesel plant in the US.  It's illegal to 
 sell fuel unless you have it tested by ASTM, which costs a fortune.
 You can brew your own or as part of a coop.

 -Mike


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