Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Peter I am on my 3rd Mercedes the mileage you mentioned should be minimal the typically go over 30mi easily. The biggest problem I have found with the 123 seies ( which yours is) is rust in the floors and rocker panels caused by clogged drains . Before you buy the car lift the carpets and check then get under thecar and make sure I just replaced he floor of my beloved 83 300td . THEN if you buy the car change all the fuel filters its pretty easy drieve the car a few weeks and change the filters again . In my experience if these old diesels have been idle the fuel turns to crud. Dont be dissapointed if the car stalls initially my fuel lines eventually got cleaned out it may cost a few filters to get there and yoou will be driving a mercedes and getting pretty respectable mileage .As on any old car expect to replace batteries shocks tie rod s starters and such that is a given however when its akll tweakek youll have a great car thats heavy, safe , and reliable . My 82 was $32000 new according to the old sales inbvoice I found in the glove box . It cost me $2500 and I am up to about $600 by now . Hell I couldnet get a new Hyundai for that . I had an early Rabbit diesel (81) it got me 496 mles on 10 gals on a trip from atlanta to Gainesville once but had to be the scaries trip of my life it was slow lightly built and I felt like a sparrow in a sea of Falcons out there I was relieved when it was stolen the cops promised to find it eventually and I told them " Dont threaten me " End of rant oh yeah I also like old 6,2 litre suburbands and if I had the dough which I dont Iwould conider a Doge truck with thje big Cummins but my first choice would always be Mercedes Good luck Robert - Original Message - From: Peter Childers To: BiofuelList Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lies? Hmmmm
I agree although Moor's film is a bit over the top certain moments are compelling . The scene in the Florida school when Bush is advised of the attack on the Trade center could hardly be faked . The man was clueless and it showed . The man is nothing but a willing stooge for the real power in this country - Original Message - From: Douglas Smith To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:12 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Lies? H It was asked: Where is the outrage at the fine work Michael Moore and numerous others are doing at peddling lies ?Michael Moore's opinions are just that. The facts that he sites are fact. As an example the film F 9/11 has been reviewed for accuracy and factualness by several independent groups and has been proven factual - repeatedly.Show us one these purported lies you refer to and we'll either find it's truth, or just opinion. As Molly Ivans said regarding this same discussion: "Each of us has a right to our own opinions. We do not have a right to our own facts." Anyone who calls Mr. Moore's facts lies is a liar himself and is projecting!Doug ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO problem
Hi All Just anote here Iremoved anice running engine from my 240 d after the car was crushed by a falling banyan limb I have the engine and transmisiiopn at my mechanics shop here in Miami (Cocoanut Grove ) if any one is interested The falling limb happened before yesterdays hurricane .( Thats another story) - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO problem I've been following the discussionre: restaurants and the contracts they may have with grease haulers (renderers) with great interest. I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. I started withsmall (1L - 4L) test batches, first on virgin oil and then on WVO samples obtained from several local restaurants. I narrowed my suppliers down to those restaurants that gave me the best oil (titrations of 2.5g/L or less). Following directions from JtF, and with help from Keith, Todd Swearington, and Marc A, I moved to 15L batches and this past week finished a 130L processor and have run two batches. The first has been washed and is drying, the other is in the wash phase. With 20 gal BD in with my heating oil 30 gal of beautifully clear BD in storage tanks, and another 60+ gal. just about ready, I am confident that I can make BD. I was getting ready to travel from upstate NY to Florida to check out a couple of Mercedes Diesels when I read the problem Frieda was having with grease haulers. I intentionally went to small restaurants/diners. The three at the top of my list (best oil in town) were all happy to let me take their oil and the 20 gal/week was enough to get me started. PROBLEM: They all have grease dumpsters. Two of the three set the oil aside for me in 5 gal containers. The other one told me to help myself to the oil in the dumpster: "take as much as you want". Am I stupid or what? It never occurred to me that I was stealing oil from anyone. I suspect that the people that gave me permission to take the oil don't know all the details of their agreement with the haulers. Todd Swearingen's response to the problem (see below) seems to put it in perspective. QUESTION: How have the experienced BD producers handled the matter? -Do they have written agreements? - Any advise that might make a potential supplier more likely to go with me rather than the renderer? - My best option for replacing their dumpsters are 55 gal drums any other ideas? I've gotten this far . any advise/encouragement would be appreciated. My next pickup is Mon 8/29. I hope to get to talk w. the owners/managers of the restaurants. Wish me luck. Tom "Haulers have only three legitimate complaints with "greasel" owners and biodiesel brewers that approach a level of legality, at least relative to their involvement.1) If a restauranteur has signed a contract with a hauler or renderer that stipulates that all fats and oils coming from that establishment during the contractual period belong to them, whether in the dumpster or not, they have a legitimate complaint and could approach the restaurant owner for breech of contract. Some contracts only state that the grease belongs to the hauler once it's in the dumpster/drum.2) If a "greasel" owner or biodiesel brewer removes feedstock from a container that belongs to the hauler, the hauler has grounds to pursue a complaint of theft. If the amount of grease/oil removed can be proven, whether it be a single instance or over a series of events, and the value of the grease/oil meets or exceeds the dollar threshold for felony theft, the person who has removed the grease could be held liable in a criminal court.3) A few states require that the hauler be licensed. If not, fines could be levied.As a general rule, haulers literally make bank on the expected volumes of grease/oil from each of its clients. If the expected/historical volume differs from the actual volume, they tend to get extremely pissy and play the part of the 800 pound gorilla, making threats of all manner, sometimes legitimate and sometimes not, in order to resecure their feedstock.It's best that every "greasel" owner, biodieseler and restauranteur know of the potential legal snags if they expect to keep their headache levels at zero.The easiest solution is for the homebrewer or greaseler to pre-arrange supplying the same type of container(s) at no charge to the restaurant when any existing contract is about to expire and service them regularly. The problem usually found with such a scenario is that while the intentions of the homebrewer may be good, their interest often wains, leaving the restaurant in a lurch. As well, many restaurants expect their haulers to take everything that gets dumped in the
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers
The other night on CNN Christpher Hitchens called Pat Robertson a babbling idiot and proof of unintelligent design - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers BT wrote: Greetings fellow revolutionary alchemists! The question I have is, How do we help separate the good-hearted followers from their devious leaders? I've found the best thing to do is go back to the scriptures from whence Christians are supposed to derive standards for their behavior. This is especially true when the argument of you shouldn't judge anyone comes to fore. Now, Jesus himself said this, in the second part of Luke 12: 48: From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Leaders, who ought to know better, are far more accountable than the average person. When Jesus confronted the leaders of his day, he seldom had pleasant words for them for this very reason. Here is an example: Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. (There's a biofuel angle in there!) You brood of vipers! How can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 12: 33 - 37) So, no higher authority than Jesus Christ himself condemns reckless rhetoric, and we who call ourselves Christians should not soft pedal this kind of behavior either. A man like Pat Robertson, who CLAIMS to be a Christian, should have read statements of this nature and taken them to heart long ago. When I complain about this kind of problem, I do so because it degrades the standing of the Christian faith in the eyes of nonbelievers who are watching. If I, a nobody, get upset when the name of God is blasphemed in this manner, shouldn't genuine Christian leaders roundly condemn the same behavior? After all, this is what the scriptures admonish: Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of wrongdoing, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. (1 Peter 2: 12) And elsewhere: But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there WILL BE FALSE TEACHERS AMONG YOU. (Emphasis is mine.) They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed, these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up . . . (2 Peter 2: 1 - 3) The fact that Pat Robertson calls himself a Christian disgusts me for this very reason. He's not following the example of Jesus Christ, so by his actions, he denies Christ. If he's impulsive and can't control himself, he has no power from God. A person who calls himself a Christian is one who should know God very well. Therefore: We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, 'I know him', but does not do what he commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. (1 John 2: 3 - 6) So then, if we examine what Jesus did, we will find a man who never sought harm for anyone else. He was a man who lived by high principle and spoke very carefully. He did not advocate violence, he did not stir up a mob to overthrow the Romans, he did not seek political power or financial gain. Therefore, if you see someone who claims to be a Christian doing these things, you can KNOW that he's a liar. Further on, you can read this: Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. (1 John 3: 15) Now, I know that these faux Christians will say Those verses only apply to your Christian brother, because that's what they're programmed to say by the false teachers they follow. But the principles that Christians should follow transcend this worldly attitude. Once again, here's what Jesus actually taught: You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers
Robertson will never be arrested Rummy says this is a free country and everyon has the right to free speeech and besides we have laws a ginst killing people . He failed to mention the thousands of dead American service men and Iraqui citizens and Robertson owns George Bush sometimes known as Satans Little Stooge - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Robert, A question, In many countries death threat and instigation of murdering a person is against the criminal laws. Is it not the same in US and if, why have they not arrested and questioned Robertson? Hakan At 17:13 26/08/2005, you wrote: BT wrote: Greetings fellow revolutionary alchemists! The question I have is, How do we help separate the good-hearted followers from their devious leaders? I've found the best thing to do is go back to the scriptures from whence Christians are supposed to derive standards for their behavior. This is especially true when the argument of you shouldn't judge anyone comes to fore. Now, Jesus himself said this, in the second part of Luke 12: 48: From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Leaders, who ought to know better, are far more accountable than the average person. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
