Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are toldabout?
Hello These smaller cooling towersyou speak of Kirk are the type of cooling tower that has a fan or fansthat ether draws or suck air across the cascaiding water for evatorative cooling of the water. The tall hour glass shaped towers are natural draft towres, No moving parts, no fans, just cascaiding water. they are saving energy. These towers, even when dry can and will suck a hard hat of your head when you go into one at the bottom, even on a dead calm day. Open mind... that I have, have beenwaiting for the biodiesel posts to come but since I got on this list I see mainly political comments. The frist night I was on there were a few and then I got spanked for being a newbie and asking questions. Maybe I did not set up the e-mail service to recive the good stuff. Will keep watching and reading. sorry about the spelling, Steve - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are toldabout? bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity." These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!..."there is no such thing as an "atomic style cooling tower" any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. -- Nukes run at a lower thermal efficiency for safety reasons. Temperature and thus pressure are lower than in oil or coal steam plants. This increases the cooling tower load per killowatt thus nuke plants have larger towers than equivalent hydrocarbon installations. The size is the issue here. Other issues he made were the rails showed no sign of use and thirdly the "oil " storage tanks also showed no maintenance. So he describes a plant with anomolously large cooling towers and no visible fueling infrastructure. Also inhydrocarbon installations I have seen the tower is different,maybe 3 stories. The tower is to direct cooling air and discharged water vapor such that it doesnt re enter the heat exchangers. The nuclear plants have such large requirements a large structure is required to ensure no mixing. How about keeping an open mind Bob. You didnt read what he said as near as I can tell. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg.. Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
About 20 plusyears ago I worked in a fuel farm and around a test stand that was testing - running a J-58 jet engine that used JP-8 fuel and that stuff was loaded with PCBs, acts as a coolant for the fuel as it burnes. Not uesr if it was an additive used just for this engine or inall JP-8. The J-58 was the engines that were in the SR-71. Scared to post, Steve - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: [SPAM]: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help It looks and smells like absolutely brand new. Apparently the additives in JP-8 include enough *-icide to keep it out. Also it was sealed tightly with no air. On 8/11/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect any fuel that old to be half digested by bacteria. Kirk Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel Z On 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul;I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. JoePaul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all,I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel:http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene.Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
So sorry, I was thinking that the J-58 used JP-8, Its been awhile since a was around a fuel farm.I believe that it was JP-7 that the J-58 used. Sorry for any confusion. Now realy scard to post, Steve - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: [SPAM]: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help It looks and smells like absolutely brand new. Apparently the additives in JP-8 include enough *-icide to keep it out. Also it was sealed tightly with no air. On 8/11/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect any fuel that old to be half digested by bacteria. Kirk Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel Z On 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul;I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. JoePaul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all,I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel:http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene.Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
From what I have seen on the net and read the fuel sould be washed 3 time to get a clean product. Some or most of you out there making biodiesel every day might say that this is over kil. I don't know as I'm just getting started. My first wash will be mist only to remove the bulk of unwanted products from the reaction. 2nd wash mist and mild aireation, 3rd wash, mist and strong aireation. I think that this might work to help cut down on any emulsions in the wash and help move the fuel in the tank around a bit on the last wash as well. Just my thoughs on it. Steve - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Thank for the info. Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor. I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get a better feel for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, dry tank with two poly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation. Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005 truck. If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big. Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit. Post them where? The list doesn't accept attachments (as you were advised when you joined). If you want to post pictures you can discuss it with me offlist and if suitable I can post them at the Journey to Forever website and give you a link to use. Thanks Again, Steve Why do you want to use sprays and air-bubblers Steve, to help prevent emulsions? Best Keith Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the jury is still out. Although they don't say not to use it they don't say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000 miles in bio only. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barton Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Thank for the info. Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor. I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get abetter feel for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, dry tank with twopoly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation. Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005truck. If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big. Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit. Thanks Again, Steve Original Message - From: Derick Giorchino To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the jury is still out. Although they dont say not to use it they dont say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000 miles in bio only. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve BartonSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Thank for the input and info so far. Still pushing forward with a processor, but would like to hear more from anyone that has had trouble with the newer engines. Please keep them coming. Thanks, Steve - Original Message - From: DB To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000 miles on.(100% bio)there were no problems till the engine light went on. We took it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the dealer. $1600 poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be replaced because the fuel sensor had failed. It was my wife's car and it took a week before we got it back. They woudn't give her the pump so I couldn't have a look. They said there was a $600 core charge. I was out of town on a job and couldn't do anything but pay the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and bought an 86 mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on 100% BD, with no problem. We actually started out with an80 CD and sold it to buy the volkswagon.Good luck with the new crap . Computers and billions of sensors all made in China and doomed to heartache. The engine light will go on. blinking out this message.."go directly to dealer, bring CASH... DB - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
