[biofuel] Fw: The Unspoken Resolve
Makes Sense to me. -Tim Z -Subject: The Unspoken Resolve Finally, someone who has put into words what I have only been thinking. I think this guy understands the nature of the beast, and we would all do well to take heed. If we actually do what we all are saying we should, it will most definitely be a long, hard road. WE MUST HAVE AN IRON WILL! We must be all of one mind, acting in unison toward the common goal. Any flagging of will on our part will most definitely be seen as a weakness to be exploited in some terroristic way by our enemy. And we are sure to be sorely tested. The tragedy of last Tuesday is not the event, but rather just the opening act. Prepare yourselves for the main event, and eventually, the grand finale. Semper Fi, and God bless America Sgt Tim Parkhurst Probably one of the better articles I have read.. I received this from a friend of mine at the Air Force Academy and thought he hit the nail on the head with his opinion/theory. Recently, he was asked to look at the recent events through the lens of military history. He has joined the cast of thousands who have written an open letter to Americans. Please share it if you feel so moved. Dear friends and fellow Americans 14 September, 2001 Like everyone else in this great country, I am reeling from last week's attack on our sovereignty. But unlike some, I am not reeling from surprise. As a career soldier and a student and teacher of military history, I have a different perspective and I think you should hear it. This war will be won or lost by the American citizens, not diplomats, politicians or soldiers. Let me briefly explain. In spite of what the media, and even our own government is telling us, this act was not committed by a group of mentally deranged fanatics. To dismiss them as such would be among the gravest of mistakes. This attack was committed by a ferocious, intelligent and dedicated adversary. Don't take this the wrong way. I don't admire these men and I deplore their tactics, but I respect their capabilities. The many parallels that have been made with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor are apropos. Not only because it was a brilliant sneak attack against a complacent America, but also because we may well be pulling our new adversaries out of caves 30 years after we think this war is over, just like my father's generation had to do with the formidable Japanese in the years following WW II. These men hate the United States with all of their being, and we must not underestimate the power of their moral commitment. Napoleon, perhaps the world's greatest combination of soldier and statesman, stated the moral is to the physical as three is to one. Patton thought the Frenchman underestimated its importance and said moral conviction was five times more important in battle than physical strength. Our enemies are willing --better said anxious -- to give their lives for their cause. How committed are we America? And for how long? In addition to demonstrating great moral conviction, the recent attack demonstrated a mastery of some of the basic fundamentals of warfare taught to most military officers worldwide, namely simplicity, security and surprise. When I first heard rumors that some of these men may have been trained at our own Air War College, it made perfect sense to me. This was not a random act of violence, and we can expect the same sort of military competence to be displayed in the battle to come. This war will escalate, with a good portion of it happening right here in the good ol' U.S. of A. These men will not go easily into the night. They do not fear us. We must not fear them. In spite of our overwhelming conventional strength as the world's only superpower (a truly silly term), we are the underdog in this fight. As you listen to the carefully scripted rhetoric designed to prepare us for the march for war, please realize that America is not equipped or seriously trained for the battle ahead. To be certain, our soldiers are much better than the enemy, and we have some excellent counter-terrorist organizations, but they are mostly trained for hostage rescues, airfield seizures, or the occasional body snatch, (which may come in handy). We will be fighting a war of annihilation, because if their early efforts are any indication, our enemy is ready and willing to die to the last man. Eradicating the enemy will be costly and time consuming. They have already deployed their forces in as many as 20 countries, and are likely living the lives of everyday citizens. Simply put, our soldiers will be tasked with a search and destroy mission on multiple foreign landscapes, and the public must be patient and supportive until the strategy and tactics can be worked out. For the most part, our
Re: [biofuel] Cleaning oil drums
We have a $2? publication available here in Tampa - Bargain Trader It seems it's widely available. their website is: http://www.bargaintraderonline.com/index.html There's a feller here (found him in the bargain trader) who has(had?) both steel and pvc drums--$15-20 each? (This is from memory-- I called a few months ago. I believe he's a recycler of some sort and has a steady supply. I can check it out again if anyone wants to use him for drums.) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Cleaning oil drums A place to look for used steel drums is the factory for dairy products. If they reconstitute orange juice they get it in drums with a liner. I live near Great Falls Mt. and the Meadow Gold plant there turns out about 4 empty drums a week. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:55 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cleaning oil drums Hello All, Finally, sweet success! I found my first steel drum today, the very nucleus of my biodiesel operation. Kudos to me, I must have killed a coupla dinosaurs finding it. Anyhow, I think I probably need to clean the thing, it was used to ship some kind of marble cleaner called Thermaclean, a polymer (the label says). Any ideas of how to de-chemicalize the drum? I can't wait to get started... Watch out OPEC, Jim's coming your way- Thanks, JIM Hello Jim Soapy water might do. If it's really recalcitrant stuff, try this: http://www.por15.com/metalprep_degrease.html Metal Preparation Cleaner-Degreaser Scroll down to MARINE-CLEAN. It's not cheap but it's excellent, like all the POR-15 stuff. MARINE-CLEANª cleans and degreases in one application without leaving residues, noxious fumes or flammable solvents. No other cleaner works as fast or as well. It makes petroleum-based cleaners almost obsolete because MARINE-CLEANª can be diluted with water up to 3, 4, 5 and even 10 times its volume while remaining more potent than other cleaners. MARINE-CLEANª removes grease, oil, mildew, algae, musty odors, soap films, wax. Use it to clean canvas, vinyl, nylon, holding tanks, grease traps, auto parts and more. * Non-Corrosive * Non-Flammable * Non-Hazardous * Water-Based Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/10/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
Keith, I'm with you on this one. But I would build another macro that'll do it for you based on the subject line(if that's possible -- I don't know). I think you MAY have been a bit sarcastic in one or two instances, but nowhere NEAR what they would have gotten from me! ...but heavens, if these folks have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too? I agree 100%. I get a bit annoyed with that facet myself--they must be too lazy to figure out for themselves how to get off the list; I doubt that it's inexperience--if that were the case, I don't think they could find this list in the firstplace, much less subscribe. Still, I suppose it IS possible Anyway, don't feel bad for your treatment of them I thought it was quite fair under the circumstances and It's too bad there are so many idiots left to their own devices in this world, and you obviously just encountered a few of them. -Tim Z :) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages Hello all, top o' the weekend to you Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't unsubscribe and kept sending please unsuscribe me [sic] notes to the list. The first letter, from a non-lister, was most rude and insulting, basically accusing me of sarcasm for my comment on Marie's misspelling, of wise-ass comments, being a know-it-all, not knowing how to run a list and so on, with a fair measure of personal insult thrown in. At the bottom was a copy of part of an email from a lister (new member, posted one message I think), copying part of my last message to Marie and pointing out my sarcasm. Prolly I should've ignored it, but I'm not used to getting such spew and responded, direct enough but without rudeness or insults, saying I wasn't being sarcastic, she'd misspelled unsubscribe every time, and I wasn't the first to point it out. I cc'd the reply to the list member who'd made the original comment to this person. Then I got a broadside from both of them, a really disgusting tirade from the non-lister, full of personal attack and obscenity on my handling of the list, and saying she'd paid a visit to the Journey to Forever website and it was a lot of *[EMAIL PROTECTED] and so am I, it's people like me who cause all the trouble in the world and so on and on. Yuk. Felt like going and spraying the website with disinfectant. Anyway, it included this point: why hadn't I just unsubscribed Marie, or did I get my jollies grinding her like that. The lister meanwhile saw fit to tell me that he agrees with her, I'm too curt with list members and so on. I replied to both, the first got five words, which seems to have shut her up at least (I hope), the second got a short response, again direct enough but without any of the gratuitous rudeness I was receiving, and asking why he'd started it. He replied, accusing me of insulting him, denying he'd started anything (though his first note said he had), generally telling me I'm an idiot and telling me not to contact him again. I sent a one-word reply to the last bit saying same, but had it returned: not accepting mail from this sender. One way of having the last word I guess. Suits me. So that's that. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but I guess these things happen. Anyway, there's the point about why hadn't I unsubscribed Marie, and this general continuing problem of people who can't unsubscribe themselves and send their unsubscribe messages to the list. As I'm sure we've all noticed by now, it keeps on happening. Finally I made a macro that writes an auto-reply: You have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is in every message: List-Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact the unsubscribe address appears twice in every message. It happens so often that one starts doubting the thing works, but it does work - three listers have recently tested it. I get unsubscribe notifications from Yahoo every day (more subscribes though). It's not just here, it happens to most of the lists I'm on, but I must say that they get the kindest treatment here - on other lists they either get ignored or get a real shellacking. Here they get helped. I've never seen them get a blasting for it. So why don't I just unsubscribe them as they ask? Well, why should I? It takes time, I've got better things to do. I'll help little old ladies across the street or whatever, but heavens, if these folks have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too? Well, I did unsubscribe Marie Miller, mainly because I was thoroughly sick of the whole thing, but I don't plan to make a habit of
Re: [biofuel] Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans
Richard, If you like, I can put it up on my geocities page---(personal home page for funsies--no spammin') Just send it, and I'll put it up as a zip file, and individually as well...or however you'd like me to do it. -Tim Z - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] Unsubscribes and Ian's Plans How'd Keith, On the subject of unsubscribes, I am with you all the way. This list is not some sort of email based roach motel. If they got in they should be able to get back out. I do unsubscribes for an Intel newletter that goes out to 23000+ addresses, so I do understand. There have been a few times when I thought you were a bit short with people, but I think its just that you have alot on your plate and are straight to the point. You should not have to sugar coat everything you say. :-) As for the Ian's plans, I just split out the frames into a Power Point file to (1) make printing easy, and (2) it gives you the ability to page through like an animation. It was something I did for myself then thought I might as well share it. If I had an FTP site I would just post it there for download. When I have more time and Ian has progressed I will be glad to up date it. Have Fun Richard Hoard Hello All, I have Split the JPEG into Frames in a Power Point file. I would have uploaded it put the group is locked. If anyone would like it I will send it, or I can just send it to the person who can upload it to the group file area. Have Fun, Richard Hoard Hello Richard I could do that, but Ian hasn't finished it yet. I don't see the point somehow, what am I missing? It's there for all to see on Ian's website. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] photo of my biod unit
WOW Ian!! Veeery Purty!!! :) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [biofuel] photo of my biod unit Ive just given the tanks a lick of paint and I thought what the heck, I'll do a quick shot and let you all see it. Ian http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PH Tester under $100
Hi Y'all I can't remember who had asked the question about where to find an electronic Ph tester for under $100. I found one while checking out my local Homebrew Supply store today it was $42 I also found one at: http://www.morebeer.com/ it's a bit more than $42 though--I would surf around the brewing sites a bit before I bought one. Good luck :) -Tim Z --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] plans to build small scale biodiesel plant
Ian could you also fwd a copy to me? I figure everybody'd be interested though:) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] plans to build small scale biodiesel plant I'm on the job for you now. Ian - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: [biofuel] plans to build small scale biodiesel plant Hello, I am looking to obtain schematics for a small scale biodiesel plant with a capacity of approximately 100 liters per day. I have found several crude examples of how to build a plant, but nothing as far as a blueprint. Any idea who might be able to supply such a thing? Regards. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alecs Kac working schematic
HERE, HERE!! Well DONE! :) -TZ - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alecs Kac working schematic Good effort Ian. On behalf of everyone thanks for the effort. B.r., David - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alecs Kac working schematic I've done a test batch, its washing in the holding tank now. I had a few snags whilst processing , so I'm stripping the unit over next few days, sort them out and photo the individual processors units. I'll put a web page up next week with all the info. Cheers Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alecs Kac working schematic
I'd LOVE a Copy! please send [EMAIL PROTECTED] -TZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Alecs Kac working schematic Hello All, I have Split the JPEG into Frames in a Power Point file. I would have uploaded it put the group is locked. If anyone would like it I will send it, or I can just send it to the person who can upload it to the group file area. Have Fun, Richard Hoard Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Almost any refrigerator or AC compressor will work to make a vacuum pump from. Keeping oil in them is the only problem. There is one for SURE that I know of(I have one I use for to compress air in 'BoyzTown' (my shed/workshop ;) I was able to get approx 120psi into a 5 gal tank with an old fridge compressor until I got hold of a used York which is a LOT faster. The York Compressor from the A/C systems in older fords and AMC's is available at many junkyards for about $40. It requires NO oiling as it is internally oiled from a reservoir that is separate from the compression section. It will pump up to 80-100 psi easily without a check valve on the output side so I assume it'd also pull an equivalent vacuum. You can checkout On-Board air enthusiast sites for more specific info here's one (Very good)link: http://www.onboardair.com/ they include identification of different York models, as well as a service manual for them. Tim Z ~~eyeing his neighbor's 10 foot Parabolic Solar concentrator - er Satellite dish ;) - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps Hi David and All, --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, What exactly is a Sanden car AC scroll compressor? A scroll type compressor used in some cars. Look up Sanden on the web for more info. VW used a scroll for a supercharger called the G-ladder. This idea below sounds good and may be applicable to the refining and purification of glycerine as one of the best ways of refining is with the use of steam especially when combined with vacuum so you drop the boiling point B.r., David The guy's at Red Rock? was using them for their concentrated solar steam projects. Keith, do you have their URL? You put it up a couple of weeks ago. Diesel trucks, cars use vacuum pumps for brakes, ect. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
- Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps Thanks Jerry, Got any refs, books, or other info sources I can go to or get to learn a bit more about solar energy or alternative source steam generation.? B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Here you go David:) : Patents applied for at delphion http://www.delphion.com/details?pn10=US04262484 http://dove.net.au/~solaris/welcome.html Jade Mountain--oft quoted as a great place for Solar info/products: http://www.jademountain.com/ Online Education resource - http://www.solaraccess.com/salearnonline/onlinecourses.asp Texas based site - http://www.txses.org/ some Books : http://www.ata.org.au/booklets.htm Solar Two Steam tower Barstow California - http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/1999/08/083199/solpwr_5358.asp I can probably dig up a few more for you :) If you should find anything of a more homebased nature--I would be VERY interested in cliking on over. Tim Z --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerin and absolute alcohol
I would also like to know this. -Tim Z - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glycerin and absolute alcohol Could someone help me? I am new to all of this. I want to make ethanol legally here in the U.S. What is the quickest and most painless method of obtaining a B.A.T.F. permit and what are, if any, the limitation of the permit. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Glycerin and absolute alcohol Hi Ricardo, Ken, Marc and all As far as I know, sodium chloride cristals are naturaly anhidrous. It seems to me that this will not work. Sodium chloride is very hygroscopic (absorbs water). I'm interested to know how much water it will absorb before it becomes saturated. Mathewson provides some information on using salt in The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel (chapter 12). http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html A second method takes advantage of the fact that water will dissolve in most salts, but ethanol will not. Therefore, water can be removed (although not entirely) by filtering the alcohol/water through dry salt. Almost any 'hygroscopic' (water absorbing) material such as calcium salt, various sulphates, phosphates and similar materials will work. However, common rocksalt, such as used in water softeners is cheap and available. An apparatus such as described in Chapter 7 for sprouting malt can be used. Fill the drum or container with rocksalt. The alcohol/water is poured in at the top and filters down through the salt. Relatively water-free alcohol is collected through holes or a valve at the bottom of the container. Remember that the salt must be dry. After absorbing water from a certain amount of alcohol, the salt must be re-dried either in an oven or by spreading it out in the sun. This appeals because salt is cheap, ubiquitous and easily dried. But the point about how much alcohol will stick to the crystals is an interesting one. Mathewson first describes the industry method of mixing benzene with the ethanol to render it miscible with gasolene. Benzene's nasty stuff indeed, but it seems that some gasolene in the ethanol won't disturb the transesterification process, so no doubt some benzene wouldn't disturb it either. Benzene's probably easy to get and cheap - or at least it used to be (like quicklime!!). Mathewson says: A good system might be to use both of the methods described above. First, most of the water in the alcohol is removed by the salt method, and then the blend is prepared with benzene. The more water that can be removed from the alcohol, the less benzene will be needed. Benzene will have to be purchased (the cheapest technical grade is fine) and can be used only once. The rocksalt can be dried and used many times. FYI I tried to dehydrate 95% ethanol with Copper Sulphate, that has 5 mols H2O, previously dehydrated by calcination. It didn«t work. You need a lot of anhydrous salt and you loose a lot of alcohol sticked to the crystals. Later I thought to use anhydrous calcium chloride, but now there are several ideas discussed in this forum, that I think will work better. Are copper sulphate and calcium chloride more absorbent than sodium chloride? Which is the most absorbent salt? Marc's ref on glycerine is most interesting, though it brings us back to the original question of purifying the glyc. However, maybe simply boiling off the water content would work? Much easier than distilling the glycerine. The other method is using corn grits: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_grits.html But this, as with 3A zeolyte etc, means treating the vapour, not the liquid ethanol: ie, an add-on to the distillation process. Ref. the translation, Marc will do it much better !! I get the feeling Marc isn't mad about the idea, and who can blame him - or you, Ricardo! :-( Ah well, I guess it's a good thing for this to happen to us hegemonistic Anglophiles occasionally (often?), puts things in perspective, eh? Ricardo. - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Glycerin and absolute alcohol By the way, Ken Provost, if you're reading this, salt (sodium chloride) is cheap and obtainable enough, and easy to dry. Any idea how much water a pound/kilo of salt would absorb? I read EVERYTHING :-)! Thx for reminding me -- I actually bought a big box of rock salt to play with, and it's been languishing in the pantry. I'll get on it this weekend -- it wouldn't have to be very efficient, considering the cost, as long as you don't lose too much alcohol just sticking to the crystals...
Re: [biofuel] Re: Foolproof alecs kac tank schematic
DOH!!! Sorry Aleks, it was Ian's post that I meant to reply to asking about his tank systemI mis-clicked...oops! -TZ :) - Original Message - From: Aleksander lt;kac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:25 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Foolproof alecs kac tank schematic --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aleks, You have probably mentioned this, but I am wondering how you heat the water for your reactor? and what temperatures have to be reached in each heating phase? Could a solar hot water source do the trick? (lots of free heat here in Florida) :) -Tim Z Um, what water, Tim? Which reactor? Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler
WOW WHAT AN IDEA DANA!!! I'm Off to figger it out!! :) -TZ - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler Hey, A new and cheap form of mirror is available in the form of CDs. They are relatively durable and with a little ingenuity can be found for a few cents each or less. Best of all by gluing them to one end of a stiff wire and then gluing the other end to a flat surface...plywood?...they can be individually aimed onto a central tube which water is run through. Instant, almost, solar boiler. Of course a Mig welder and some sheet steel make a much sturdier unit and a simple solar tracking unit increases efficiency. And it is a good use for that what would otherwise often be garbage Dana Linscott __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Foolproof alecs kac tank schematic
Aleks, You have probably mentioned this, but I am wondering how you heat the water for your reactor? and what temperatures have to be reached in each heating phase? Could a solar hot water source do the trick? (lots of free heat here in Florida) :) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: Aleksander lt;kac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Foolproof alecs kac tank schematic --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Ive just put a schematic together for a tank system using the Foolproof (sulphuric acid) method, with methanol recovery. Could I have the circuit checked out by some of your good selves. http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/Reactor.jpg thanks Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Looks good. Almost like Dale's vacuum machine, only more vessels. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Gee David C, I would've thought that just firing a boiler would be a LOT less efficient than running an enginebut...I suppose that it could actually be a better solution if it were a closed system--return the spent low press steam to the boiler and it's halfway heated already.HEY! Here's a kick for ya---you're in AL? or was it GA? either way, you should have CLOSE to the same solar radiation there we get here in West central FL...maybe paint the boiler black and setup a couple of reflectors to get the sun to add a little energy to the loop? Or maybe preheat the water by running it through a couple of flat panel solar H2O heaters(I have one for my hot water supply--I get close to 120 deg water from my shower at the far end of the house, and it's only a 4'x8' collector). Whose turbine are you planning to use? something like picoturbine.com? or another? For anyone: Has any thought been given to series/paralleling passive solar collectors together to get steam? Is this even possible? It's been nagging at the back of my mind...there're some working focusing setups(got links if anyone's interested), but Mirrors are pricey, and it's got a HUGE footprint! NOT a Suburban Backyard kinda toy.oh well--DRAT those consarn Deed Restrictions anyway!! Also a bit OT (Sorry :) - I just started the 1st phase of a solar collector to help heat my pool--it's a 4x8 sheet of 1/2 plywood to which I just glued aluminum foil a few minutes ago. It will stand on it's long side. I plan to zig-zag a 100' black garden hose (if I figured right, I can actually fit 3 in --overlapping only at the return bends which have to be made inside of 5 minimum to prevent kinking it) left to right from bottom 8' edge up to the full 4' height. Water will circulate from bottom to top using(I HOPE) an old washing machine motor pump (from the machine that my daughter murdered with an unbalanced load and I was left to dispose of the 'body' - UPside was--It HAD a signed 'Organ Donor' card tucked up under the lid, so It's motor, pump and controls live on! ;) The collector will be faced with 3M's Window insulation kits--the heatshrink clear stuff for exterior use. So, if anyone's interested in how it works, email me directly, so I don't detract from this forum anymore. Again, I AM sorry to post so off topic, but my wife thinks I am a TOTAL geek lately--If I'm not on this computer reading, I'm doodling figgerin' new schemes out on my notepad, or out in my shed 'Putzing'. I'd like ANy feedback any of y'all may want to offer. Just wanted to share it with someone who might appreciate the idea :) -Tim Z geek~~looking for his wayward Pocket Protector ;) - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hi Tim Z., Don`t know what exactly to tell you in regards to Florida. I checked and Fla. doesn`t have a net metering law in place. It`s difficult to say how to approach your utility or CoOp in this. We have a net metering law here although the House has disagreed with the Senate and has asked for an amendment to it or a substitution, even though the Bill shows passed on our State website, they are not real big on explanations on what they put on the site. Add this website to your bookmark list or favorites, and everyone else should add it too, it is chock full with info on green power and renewables and I find it invaluable for keeping up with what`s going on, www.eren.doe.gov/greenpower/home.shtml, for info on net metering find state policies: net metering also click on relevant literature and look at connecting a small-scale ... and read that. That should be a lot of help in understanding the situation . As for what I did , I just called my local CoOp and talked to the vice president about the possibility of operating a SRES ( small renewable energy system ) and he was very helpful with what I wanted to know. The whole thing is an expensive proposition and after a lot of research I figured out that for me and my partner a minimum of 3,000kw to 5000kw generator is our best bet for a 2-3 yr. payback on the whole shooting match, biodiesel plant included. I also found out right away that steam is the way to go, you can achieve an 80% fuel efficiency by using steam, ( biodiesel fired boiler with a steam turbine generator), and possibly a second steam turbine running off of the low pressure steam exiting the main turbine. I know this sounds like a big deal but it`s not, a modern 1 megawatt steam turbine generator set is no longer than a Ford or Chevy small pickup truck, and no wider and it`s not as tall as me ( 5`10`` ) so that`s really small compared to the older units! David Cruse - Original Message - From: Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes David Cruse, Would you mind sharing your
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where?
Jim, There are several American diesel vehicles--off the top of my head-Dodge trucks are available with a Cumin's 5.9l, Ford trucks and vans are available with fords PowerStroke -not sure what displacement though, and Chevy also makes a diesel engine, but from what I've heard, Chevy's is not so reliable as either the cumin's nor the ford versions. There are some others I'm sure, but I can't think of any off the top of my head... -Tim Z BTW--the Cummins doesn't get much better mileage than my Dodge 318 ICE---I get between 12-15 MPG My buddy with a 1-ton Cumin's powered truck got roughly the same MAYBE 3-4 mpg more. :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where? Does anyone know which models of american cars/trucks have diesels? All I know right now are some mercedes and Volkswagens out there... I want to purchase one (used) but I don't know what makes to look for! And why are they so rare? Do people not like mileage? ARG. thanks, -JIM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
I'll second that notion!! Write us another Keith!! -TZ :) - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post We hobbled from the court. Outside Henry stopped and leaned on my shoulder, and we burst out laughing. Let's go and kill the pain, I said. What pain? he said. .. Have you given thought to taking up writing? Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where?
For Robert (or anyone else who might have thought about it..) Which of these diesels would y'all want to use to power a generator large enough to power a typical American home? (My 'typical'? home=approx 30-80 KWh/daily consumption) I'd like it to provide enough power to run the home, and any excess would either go into a battery bank, or out to the grid if I can get TECO to install a 'netmeter'. Thanks y'all :) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel Vehicles: Where? Tim Zarbo wrote: Jim, There are several American diesel vehicles--off the top of my head-Dodge trucks are available with a Cumin's 5.9l, Ford trucks and vans are available with fords PowerStroke -not sure what displacement though, It's 7.4 liters, and will cost you almost $10 000 in Canadian money. and Chevy also makes a diesel engine, but from what I've heard, Chevy's is not so reliable as either the cumin's nor the ford versions. General Motors has partnered with Isuzu for their new Duramax turbo diesel. It's quite lovely, if you're into diesels, and I spoke to someone who owns one last night. He said it's been reliable as a rock, and that the fuel economy has been pretty good. (Roughly 10 km / liter, which is what my 2.3 liter gas engine gets in a much smaller Ford Ranger.) Further, he claimed it has gobs of torque--something like 500 foot pounds at 1 800 rpm. The older GM diesels began life as a design for gasoline engines. They were quiet, and some of the people who own them believe their reputation was undeserved. Most of the trouble related to head cracking, gasket failure and injector pump malfunctions. The Ford Powerstroke is actually an International Harvester engine. It's the biggest of all the domestic diesels, and from the experience of someone I know who's driven one for a period of time, it's rather gluttonous in the fuel economy department. My wife's cousin owns a Dodge Ram with the Cummins turbo diesel, and he's quite happy with it. That's not been the experience of others we've known who've bought similar trucks, but maybe they've worked the bugs out of the thing by now. Ford used to put a 2.3 liter Mitsubishi turbo diesel in the Ranger trucks during the 1980s. I nearly bought one two years ago, but I needed something newer and reliable. I've heard nothing but good things from people who've owned that engine. Chevrolet also had a small displacement diesel (probably an Isuzu) that can be found in old Chevettes. I'm sure you can locate these and other small engines in a wrecking yard. robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Tall stories - was Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
Hahahahahahaha!!! Flyin' PIGS! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hey Keith, whenever you feel the urge, just drop one to [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK? Then you won't be 'Off Topic'. PS how do I browse the Archives? -Tim Z Looking Up ;) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Tall stories - was Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post I'll second that notion!! Write us another Keith!! -TZ :) - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post We hobbled from the court. Outside Henry stopped and leaned on my shoulder, and we burst out laughing. Let's go and kill the pain, I said. What pain? he said. .. Have you given thought to taking up writing? Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aw, gee - thanks! But I knew I shouldn't have done it. It's OT, dammit! Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Well, I'd rather be damned for something I did, I guess... :-) Um, air-pollution, particulate matter, green cars, even some manure (but not biogas)... Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ If Pigs Could Fly They Wouldn't Need Cars I WAS sitting on the back deck of an evening ferry from Hong Kong, leaving the city behind, as well as the city smog -- though the fringes of the dirty brown cloud hanging over the Peak reached Lantau Island these days. It didn't used to be higher than the Peak either. I hate breathing that stuff, someone said. Me too, and I really noticed it since I didn't live in the middle of it anymore. I didn't exactly like it much when I did live in it, but then you can't afford to notice it too much. There was a related city-wide conspiracy of silence about the stream of minor colds and flu and non-specific ailments and sub-clinical infections and so on which also seemed to be a part of city life, and which vanished with the smog as soon as I moved to Lantau. Too many cars, said another escapee. It's a basic human right to have a car, said a third. No it's not, said the first. In Hong Kong it is -- a BMW. We have to take the ego out of owning a car, or we'll all die of asthma like Teresa Tang, a green person said. The much-mourned Taiwanese pop star had recently died in Thailand of an asthma attack that stopped her heart. She was 42. Teresa Tang died of car fumes? No, but car fumes cause asthma. She had the science to prove it -- recent research in Britain had proved that the fine particles in exhaust fumes increase the risk of asthma. China banned Teresa Tang for causing 'spiritual pollution', and you say she died of air pollution? Maybe. But she'd had asthma for years. There was talk of one islander's daughter, a lovely healthy child until she started going to high school in Hong Kong, but now she had asthma attacks, and of another islander who had to move to the city because of his work and now his whole family suffered from asthma -- but not when they came back to Lantau for the weekends. Bangkok's worse than Hong Kong -- no wonder Teresa Tang died. She wasn't in Bangkok, it was Chiang Mai. Oh. Anyway, how do you plan to remove the ego factor from buying a BMW? No BMWs. What? You want to start a revolution? That's probably the only way you could start a revolution here, someone laughed. No Mercedes either, no Porsches, no Ferraris. But I can still buy a Rolls? No. Not even if I have an electric motor fitted? No -- okay, no fumes, but you're still wasting energy. What a purist! So the government's getting keen on electric cars, electric taxis are being tested and there's a plan to convert the whole fleet, but that's no good? It's better than nothing, I suppose, conceded the greenie. Who needs a car in Hong Kong anyway? someone asked. Very expensive, parking is a nightmare, and public transport is good. Exactly, said the greenie. People buy cars for status, not because they need them. So what kind of cars will be allowed in your grand scheme? I know what she wants, someone chipped in. Trabants. What are Trabants? Cheap and nasty wheels for the masses in the former communist utopia of East Germany. Nobody wanted them, but it's all there was. They stopped making them last year. Suddenly it seemed everyone knew about Trabants. I read some Hungarians are trying to drive one to Nepal, someone said. There's a Trabant Club in the US now, very trendy. How perverse. They stopped making the Zaporozhets too. The what? The Ukrainian equivalent, only worse. A new one cost about US$700, but the Ukrainians
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
David Cruse, Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to selling power to your CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar here in FL if I can get them interested. You In Jerry D? :) David, feel free to email me directly if you like, I am curious as to what scale, and methods exactly you might be considering to produce the power. -Tim Z ~~still gigglin' over Flyin' Pigs ;) - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hey Todd, That sounds great , and would be fantastic ! Thank you. I am not in a rural area here so we are going to have to deal with that by either leasing , or purchasing a couple of acres to put up a facility. We want to produce power with the biodiesel as our fuel, that way we can have the electricity to use, and put on the grid. The vice president of our local Electric Membership Coop has given me the assurance that they will give us a purchase agreement when we are ready. But that is going to be a rough go getting everything together in the right way so it all works without too many problems. I`m not trying to take too hugh of a leap by skipping the standard methods that can be done on a now basis, but the Ginosar method sounds like a great way to go if possible! I stress possible!! Otherwise it would be dumb not to use what works. Thanks, David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Check the patent further. They may also have meant an Ion-exchange column separator. I dont know; I only quickly looked at the abstract. Sometimes also patents are deliberately confusing so they cover their ass either way. I just think a cream separator might do it quite well because of the different S.G.s of Biodiesel and Glycerine. Todd your input and comments appreciated here. B.r., David .. David, Appal's chemist and I discussed Ginosar's methodology when we first saw the article last year. That conversation briefly touched on Lewis acids and resin coated polymers. We let it lay, as the process was not very real world for our limited startup. I've forwarded Ginosar's patent location to him and asked him to review it. He has been researching patents continually over the past months and may have already stumbled upon it. We'll see. Although the topic of moving away from soluble catalyst keeps surfacing, we continue to pursue the traditional method of manufacture with small scale glycerin refining and potassium phosphate recovery. This seems to be the best start up method for a micro-facility in an agricultural setting. That is unless something like Ginosar's method becomes even remotely available before we can reach the next plateau. It's not that far of a reach to pursue the solid catalyst method though. The high boiler heat requirement is already present in a plant that is distilling glycerin, as is the familiarity with pressure rated systems. Let me see what the good Doctor says. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin and red worms
poor LIL GUYS ARE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LEARN TO SAY 'VE HAD 'NUFF THANKSH OOPS!! sorry bout the caps :) -TZ - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin and red worms Was the glycerol free from methanol. If not, the worms probably died from alcohol poisoning. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] From the UK:
Well Keith, I don't know...DO I want to fry rape oil in a pan? -- Until I found joined this forum, I had never heard of Rape. But from the little info I have found it's in the same family (brassica) as Mustard and Canola-- both of which are edible, and I find quite tasty (especially the German mustards with the horseradish 'ZING' ;) As for that feller(Jim Olessen) who likes non standard methods of 'scientific' experimentation, I'll pay for the Nitro if you have some available to ship to him for the second half of your proposed experiment.(It WOUILD be polite however to send along a short note declining his invitation to participate in said experiment, due to unavoidable scheduling conflicts...you know...the fact that you had planned to live a while longer yet and just can't attend the experiment. ;) Cheers! -TZ PS: CAN you make Nitroglycerin from the residue of BioD production??(Feel free to reply directly to my email address above if you'd rather not add such info to the forum :) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] From the UK: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bio-diesel is 10 times more carcinogenic than low sulphur diesel, exhaust fumes smell like oily chips and running costs are inflated, says Volvo. Responding to a report by the British Association of Bio Fuels, which promoted the fuel as the 'fuel of the future' Volvo claims Bio-diesel is dirtier, smellier and less fuel efficient than low sulphur diesel, and engines are more costly to maintain. Despite the move by the Government in the recent Budget to make the cost of Bio-diesel 20p per litre less than low sulphur diesel, Volvo believes that fleets should think carefully before encouraging its drivers to top up with Bio-diesel. The most alarming statistic from recent Swedish research says Bio- diesel emissions are 10 times more carcinogenic than standard low sulphur diesel used in Sweden. Tailpipe emissions of 'smog forming' oxides of nitrogen can be up to 40 per cent higher than diesel engines. Combine that with a 10 per cent drop in performance and fuel consumption when running on pure rape seed oil, the fact your car exhaust will constantly smell like oily chips and the fuel's poor low temperature performance and the future of Bio-diesel looks grim, a Volvo spokesman said. Damn - this Jim Olssen BS again. Aren't we ever going to get rid of this junk science? That's what happens when you burn the stuff in a frying pan, not quite the same thing as under compression in a diesel motor. But Jim just won't see it that way (maybe because it might fry his career - well, so what, who'd cry?). It caused a big fuss at the time, when part of the report of Olssen's study was reported by Reuters. He blamed Reuters, but they weren't at fault, it was the study itself that was junk. Terry De Winne was involved in trying to get the guy to see some reason. This is what he said later: ... point out that a basic principle of common sense (a commodity also applied to science experiments) dictates that you cannot compare like with unlike. I drew Jim Olssen's attention to nitro-glycerine (what not to do with your excess glycerol) and suggested that I should visit him, bringing with me two flasks of the substance. We would carry out two experiments. In the first, I would pour the NG on to his bench and set light to it. He would see that it burnt, giving off a black, oil smoke. In the second, I would drop the flask on to the floor. If we survived, we would then compare the smoke emissions of the two experiments and see how different they were. The disturbing thing was, he took me seriously! Sums it up, I think! And no, Tim, not corraborated, unless you too would like to burn some rapeseed oil in a frying pan. I'll forward this to Jenna Higgins at the NBB, who'll take some action (I've done this before...). Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] I misstated the price of corn
mee too--mee too!!! ;) -TZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] I misstated the price of corn How would one go about purchasing some of that $1.00 per gallon oil?? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] From the UK:
Is this corroborated by any other studies anywhere else? -TZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] From the UK: Bio-diesel is 10 times more carcinogenic than low sulphur diesel, exhaust fumes smell like oily chips and running costs are inflated, says Volvo. Responding to a report by the British Association of Bio Fuels, which promoted the fuel as the 'fuel of the future' Volvo claims Bio-diesel is dirtier, smellier and less fuel efficient than low sulphur diesel, and engines are more costly to maintain. Despite the move by the Government in the recent Budget to make the cost of Bio-diesel 20p per litre less than low sulphur diesel, Volvo believes that fleets should think carefully before encouraging its drivers to top up with Bio-diesel. The most alarming statistic from recent Swedish research says Bio- diesel emissions are 10 times more carcinogenic than standard low sulphur diesel used in Sweden. Tailpipe emissions of 'smog forming' oxides of nitrogen can be up to 40 per cent higher than diesel engines. Combine that with a 10 per cent drop in performance and fuel consumption when running on pure rape seed oil, the fact your car exhaust will constantly smell like oily chips and the fuel's poor low temperature performance and the future of Bio-diesel looks grim, a Volvo spokesman said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] an international biod logo?
Hi Y'all I'm new, just gonna play 'catch-up' and ghost a while. :) I like it Ian :) -Tim Z - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: [biofuel] an international biod logo? Hi all This came into my head yesterday so I made a quick sketch. If anyone disagrees to its format, please let me know. If the idea dosnt clash with anyone elses and critical acclaim is not given, well I'll just use it myself Thanks all. Heres the link http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/Biodlog1.jpg Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] an international biod logo?
Each variation is nice in it's own respect, but I really like this one: http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/biodleaf.jpg -TZ :) - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] an international biod logo? Ok following Eds very wise advice, Ive put our Sun in the background http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/biodleaf.jpg Heres another small change to the format http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/biodsun.jpg Let me know. Ian - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] an international biod logo? I'd like to see a couple of different options to compare elements. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] an international biod logo? Thanks Ed I'll see what i can do. Ian - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] an international biod logo? Ian - I quite like it. Constructive criticism, I guess, would include that there is no representation of the sun's influence as the actual source of energy that is simply carried by plants, plant oils, biodiesel. You can produce biodiesel without soil, but not without sun. When I was presenting some information to a group of fellow environmental studies people, I mentioned that in the last year, an accomplishment was that I had built a solar-powered car for in the hundreds of dollars. Of course, they wanted to know how long the extension cord was, etc. ;-) It was a diesel on vegetable oil. But, really what is the difference between a PV panel and a plant oil? The difference is that plant oil is nature's method of collecting the sun's energy and storing it in an energy-dense, safe, convenient and easy to use form; and the PV panel requires human organization of matter to accomplish a similar end result but with greater cost and less efficiency and less sustainably (well, let the arguments fly, but that's a rough sketch). So, I think we need to focus more on the sun as the real provider of energy in the system and not the (just) the earth. Any way to incorporate that into your ideas for the logo would be nice. Best, Ed B. - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:15 AM Subject: [biofuel] an international biod logo? Hi all This came into my head yesterday so I made a quick sketch. If anyone disagrees to its format, please let me know. If the idea dosnt clash with anyone elses and critical acclaim is not given, well I'll just use it myself Thanks all. Heres the link http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/Biodlog1.jpg Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] back to basics
David, I was intrigued by your father's story (I really enjoy hearing family stories I think there are important lessons to still be learned from our older generations.) My real question is have you or anyone else here on the list, seen or heard of a water injection system used on an ICE?(I have an 1999 dodge ram that gets about 12-14 MPG(16 on a REALLY good tank on the hiway with the cruise control on! ;) I was considering trying to get a bit more 'go' from the 'magic potion of motion' --considering it's a daily driver, and I don't see being able to afford the Cummins powered version anytime soon. If/when I DO get hands on the Cummins version, do you think there'll be any problems switching right to the bioD? or would I have to refit any seals or lines to withstand the fuel?~~anyone? In the meantime, I am looking for 1) a generator(8 to 65 KW) that would eventually power my home, and be run by 2) either a bioD from a small truck/car, or ethanol either of which I plan to brew here at home in Sunny Florida(Tampa--HIYA Jerry D:) ~~ Anybody gets any leads on these lil toys--I'd SUUURE appreciate knowing where to look! Great list! I enjoy reading everyone's posts, and hope to be able to actually contribute some useful info of my own someday soon. Thanks. -Tim Z - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] back to basics From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: fogger questions I am located at 36.6 degrees South and also at sea level. *south island ? No North Island, 40 km by road north of Auckland on the Whangaparaoa Peninsular. I look directly south across the water and can see the sky tower from my windows which is only 22-23 km in a straight line. Auckland because it is close to the sea and because it is almost 1000 miles from Australia unfortunately has a fairly high R.H. Suspect this is why when the A.A here tested this device initially the improvements wernt all that great and as a result wernt madly enthusiastic about it. Rang them yesterday and the technical guy I spoke to basically confirmed this. He was however knowledgeable about the effects of moisture or water on engines and quickly pointed out without me saying anything that any engine would run that much cleaner and the oil would also be that much cleaner. You would also get no carbon build up on top of the piston or in the ring grooves. This agrees with Novaks findings and your own experience. He said the effects of the device would be greater on the earlier low compression vehicles but didnt think the device would be that great or was warranted on late model vehicles which run on much higher compression and a lot of which are turbocharged. While this is possibly true I am not sure I thoroughly agree with him. As I understand it the moist air produces more efficient fuel burning by atomizing the gazoline droplets and lowering the fuels temperature. My understanding of this point is that at the lower initial detonation point you get much better and more complete combustion resulting in much less unburnt emmissions and soot. On this point I believe the device is worth fitting for this reason alone. * O.T. Suprisingly he was the first NZ employee ever of the Standard Oil Company. Possibly one of the reasons and how he ended up in Bolivia I would imagine. When he was 16 he came home at the end of the year from Nelson Boys College where he had been going to school, on the Friday night ferry to Wellington expecting to have the summer off before finding a job, only to be told by my grandfather Right Ive got you a job You start Monday. No ifs or buts. In those days you did what you were told. My grandfather was rather autocratic, used to having his own way, and someone you didnt argue with. In those days he was Cheif Cashier of the BNZ and Manager of the main Wellington branch of the Bank of NZ. (In those days the BNZ still had something like 95% of the NZ banking business). Apparently he had been visited in the afternoon or the day before by one of the bigwigs from Standard who had been sent out to set up a NZ office and who mentioned to my grandfather that he wanted an office boy whereupon my grandfather had said Ive got just the boy for you and his wages will be one pound or thirty bob a week. (whatever it was in those days.) Nothing like a bit of nepotism is there? Believe my father stood it for a couple of years or so and then rebelled. Probably why he always retained a real stubborn streak and ended up in South America. Believe the Chaco war like the Spanish Civil war was one of the places the Germans tested some of their aircraft prior to the Second World War. Was told by someone and my mother told me he had talked to her about it once although he never talked about it himself that he had taken out an aircraft that was attacking his troops with one very
Re: [biofuel] back to basics
Thanks for THAT tip Robert!! I'll remember that! -TZ - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] back to basics Tim Zarbo wrote: David, My real question is have you or anyone else here on the list, seen or heard of a water injection system used on an ICE?(I have an 1999 dodge ram that gets about 12-14 MPG(16 on a REALLY good tank on the hiway with the cruise control on! ;) I was considering trying to get a bit more 'go' from the 'magic potion of motion' --considering it's a daily driver, and I don't see being able to afford the Cummins powered version anytime soon. If/when I DO get hands on the Cummins version, do you think there'll be any problems switching right to the bioD? or would I have to refit any seals or lines to withstand the fuel?~~anyone? I used water injection on my car for years. (An Edelbrock Vari-Jection System.) The last project I built was a 5.7 liter Chevy V 8 that ran on propane, and the water injection kept the thing from detonating at part load. (It had compression pressures in excess of 200 psi on most of its cylinders!) Unfortunately, I was testing the device one day and accidentally squirted a bit of water into the manifold when the engine wasn't running. When I cranked the machine over the next morning, it went BANG! I ended up with a bent connecting rod! Be careful with water injection! robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
