Re: [biofuels-biz] Mini-turbine brings 'green power for all'
How can I buy them - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Mini-turbine brings 'green power for all' http://www.guardian.co.uk/renewable/Story/0,2763,1091895,00.html Mini-turbine brings 'green power for all' Company claims its domestic wind unit can provide 15% of average household's electricity needs John Vidal, environment editor Monday November 24, 2003 The Guardian The winds of change will blow a little stronger this morning when a small Scottish company launches Britain's first wind power system designed to be fitted on almost any roof or wall to supplement electricity from the grid. Just two days after Britain's biggest offshore wind farm started generating electricity off the north Wales coast, the designers of the tiny domestic unit believe they can provide up to 15% of the annual electricity needs of an average house for a one-off cost of £750 - bringing green electricity into the price range of most families. The machine, a 3ft by 2ft sealed box with three blades which face into the prevailing wind, is backed by the energy minister, Brian Wilson, who is a paid consultant for Windsave, the company behind it. Unlike old-style domestic wind generators, which needed a lot of land, sat on top of poles and drove pumps and a few bulbs for farmers and backwoodsmen, the machine does not need batteries to store the electricity. Instead, it tops up the existing mains supply. Unlike bigger systems, it cannot sell excess power back into the grid. But the company believes it has cracked the holy grail of renewable energy - getting government subsidies and making the machines silent. In theory, there are handouts both for installation and for Rocs - renewable obligation charges - which currently pay green electricity providers about 6p per kilowatt-hour generated. The system, says the Scottish inventor David Gordon, who has pumped £1m into the idea, can generate up to 750 watts - enough to power lights but not high-energy items such as kettles or heaters. Nobody has been able to take raw wind power and put it straight into the domestic electrical system at 240 volts, he said. We will be able to bring green energy to the masses. Mr Wilson, who has declared his interest in the company on the House of Commons register and has no financial share in it, was enthusiastic. I have looked at it upside down and sideways for a catch and I don't think there is one. The amazing thing is its affordability. It will be a few hundred quid, you do your bit for the environment, and you get a cheque back once a year. What more can you want? It's been though all the standard checks and everyone who's seen it is of the same opinion. Mr Gordon admits that his invention is not as technically efficient as turbines sited on high poles to collect the optimum wind, but says that it is the annual supplementing of household electricity which makes it suitable for buildings. The machine starts working at a wind speed of 3mph and is said to be most efficient in a 20mph breeze - common for much of the year across large parts of Britain. Using the remote metering technology which made Mr Gordon's fortune after he sold his company to BT, each unit installed will be automatically phoned every quarter to see how much electricity it has generated. The company will then collect the subsidy from the government and distribute it back to owners according to how much they have generated. We believe the payback period could be as little as 30 months, said Mr Gordon. The British Wind Energy Association, which represents large-scale windpower generators, professed itself amazed at the development. If it works, it's fantastic, said spokeswoman Alison Hill. Yesterday it was provisionally backed by Country Guardian, the lobby group which has opposed almost every planning application submitted for windpower development in Britain in the past decade. I think they are a good idea. I don't think they'll look very beautiful, but we always feel that it's the people in cities who use the power and that we in the country have to pay the price, said Ann Evans, a vice-president. Local planners may be divided about whether the innovations need planning permission. Technically, they do not, says Mr Gordon, if they are sited below the highest point of houses. But many local authorities and heritage groups objected strongly at first to satellite dishes, and may not want to see large boxes with spinning blades put up. The machines are to be made outside Edinburgh. Local authorities, government offices and light industry will be targeted first, followed by householders in about three months. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at
Re: [biofuels-biz] A nice story
Nice one, Merry Christmas. - Original Message - From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] A nice story One of my customers for biodiesel is a musician. He decided to build a new recording studio behind his house. First job was to excavate for the foundations. Being a Brit. and careful with money, he hired a small digger and had 6 friends come round with wheelbarrows to shift the surplus earth. On the first day, they all complained about the choking diesel fumes from the digger. The second day, the musician syphoned biodiesel out from the tank of his car and used that to re-fuel the digger. The 6 friends were very happy (but still complained that they felt hungry). The digger didn't seem to notice any difference. True. David T. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: possible advice?
NNamdi is welcome here but we are stretched for finance at the moment,regards, Martin Brook, Biofuel - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: possible advice? Received this, if anyone can help please email Nnamdi direct. Keith From: Nnamdi Etoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: possible advice? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:29:44 -0400 ... my name is Nnamdi Etoh, and I am currently a senior at Duke University completing an interdisciplinary Bachelor of Arts degree in history, political science, and cultural anthropology. The overarching them of the major was the state of our global society, which encompassed the environmental degredation that has occured since the industrialization of the West. The issue has sparked an intense interest for me in searching for alternatives to the destructive nature of the global economy today. Naturally the idea and cause of biofuels is one that appeals to me. Essentially I was wondering how I could get involved in a career with biofuels when I do not come from a scientific background. Your organizations seems to be extremely devoted to the mission of promoting the use of alternative fuels. If you could recommend any firms or groups that simply seeking enthusiastic, energetic and diligent graduates, please let me know. Thank you. Best Regards, Nnamdi Etoh '04 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Bad quality at World Energy? what's that again about homebrewers???
Perhaps you could help us? - Original Message - From: Levent Yuceer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Bad quality at World Energy? what's that again about homebrewers??? Hi Keith, I'd like to comment on the standardisation of FAME. I think, different analysis results are probably due to the different specifications, accepted by different laboratories. As far as I know the standardisation of biodiesel is not yet completed in Europe. The detailed information can be found: http://www.liquid-biofuels.com/Blt_ntb.pdf I do not know the situation in USA. I agree that home brewers can destroy the market if they produce and sell bad-products. Many of them are not equipped with proper facilities for analysis. Making biodiesel is easy but the analysis is not. Home brewers must measure (at least) the amount of glycerol separated during the FAME production which indicates the completion degree of the reaction. And of course the washing is extremely important to remove any glycerol and mono-glycerides. Excessive emulsification during the washing may indicate the presence of too much mono-glycerides and soaps (an uncompleted reaction). And of course it is not possible to remove any unreacted veg-oil by washing. I think, if someone is going to do this job seriously, he must have some facilities to do at least some of the analysis, such as acid value, saponification value, viscosity, density, water content and even the iodine value which are not too difficult and can be done in a simple laboratory. Analysis of free and total glycerol and monoglycerides are a bit more difficult (see the above web-page for the methods). regards Dr.levent yuceer - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Bad quality at World Energy? what's that again about homebrewers??? Hi Mark Hi folks, This just turned up on the Biodieselnow forum (and apparently in response to something on tdiclub I believe). Someone was complaining about what they thought to be poor quality biodiesel. It then came up that there was some other complaints about World Energy biodiesel sold recently in the Pacific Northwest, if I understand correctly. Then someone emailed Graham Noyes. then the following came back from World Energy. The Dr Dan referred to is a small independent biodiesel retailer. Now what's that again about homebrewers, quality, and out-of-spec fuel, and the quality control standards that only industry can provide?? This is very ironic! Rhetorical question Mark, but for those who weren't around at the time or don't remember, this is what Graham Noyes said here: The big fear of the biodiesel industry is that homebrewers are going to destroy the market. I have seen home-brewed biodiesel cause problems in multiple locations and it has taken significant efforts to undo the damage. One region of the country in particular had large quantities of homegrown off-spec fuel that was being sold and distributed. The use of biodiesel was substantially delayed in this area until trust for the fuel was re-established. Under considerable pressure, with charges that this was an apocryphal yarn, a Big Industry myth, and demands for substantiation, it became this: I did not fabricate tales of vehicle problems from homebrew to denigrate DIY's but to share my experience. There were a signficant number of reports of downed vehicles in a particular area (not destroyed, just clogged) of the country last year that I learned about through my full-time work with biodiesel users in the West. I am not going to get more specific than that because I learned about these vehicles second-hand (though from several different people) and I have no direct personal knowledge regarding what happened. Which finally, to Graham's credit, became this: I apologize that I have not been doing a better job of addressing many of the specific points made but I simply cannot keep up with the prolific nature of this group. After some experience here, I have a much better understanding of the efforts that are being made to make top-quality fuel. I also think I should provide some more details regarding my perspective on homebrew (and should have been more careful about sweeping statements in the first place). While I do nothing but biodiesel 40-70 hours/week, I have not seen any significant problems result from the use of homebrew. There are concerns but these are primarily perception rather than experience. That said, I think the more that is done for quality control for everyone involved in the production and distribution of biodiesel, the better. So I hope that everyone's input
Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better
thanks, will keep you posted. - Original Message - From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better Hi Martin I don't know and suppose you would have to get a hold of Bundesforschungsanstalt Fur Landwirtschaft (FAL), Germany or Volkswagen about this. I couldn't find details on the Internet in English. Ken PS I believe I hit the wrog button and just sent a blank message. --- martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can we get details on the fuel sensor? - Original Message - From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better From: http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=5024 Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better September 4, 2003 [SolarAccess.com] In order to optimize the use of biodiesel in Germany, the research institute FAL in cooperation with Volkswagen completed the development of a fuel-sensor, which can differentiate biodiesel from conventional diesel in the tank and decides engine timing according to the respective fuel blend. The application of a fuel-sensor assures that the use of biodiesel is reaching an optimum in terms of emission reduction and fuel efficiency. This new development is viewed as a breakthrough for biodiesel's future on the fuel market. The cultivation of oilseed rape for the production of biodiesel also benefits agriculture. The production of raw materials for biodiesel has meant that the acreage in Germany for renewable raw products has increased within five years from approximately 500,000 hectares to approximately 840,000 hectares. This development proves the large potential for renewable raw materials that aid environmental and climatic protection, and are in addition an important alternative to foodstuff production for farmers. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better
How can we get details on the fuel sensor? - Original Message - From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better From: http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=5024 Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better September 4, 2003 [SolarAccess.com] In order to optimize the use of biodiesel in Germany, the research institute FAL in cooperation with Volkswagen completed the development of a fuel-sensor, which can differentiate biodiesel from conventional diesel in the tank and decides engine timing according to the respective fuel blend. The application of a fuel-sensor assures that the use of biodiesel is reaching an optimum in terms of emission reduction and fuel efficiency. This new development is viewed as a breakthrough for biodiesel's future on the fuel market. The cultivation of oilseed rape for the production of biodiesel also benefits agriculture. The production of raw materials for biodiesel has meant that the acreage in Germany for renewable raw products has increased within five years from approximately 500,000 hectares to approximately 840,000 hectares. This development proves the large potential for renewable raw materials that aid environmental and climatic protection, and are in addition an important alternative to foodstuff production for farmers. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV Easily record your favorite shows! CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WUMW7B/85qGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] biodiesel production
where r u? - Original Message - From: gulseren pekin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] biodiesel production Hello biofuels-biz group, I am interested in making biodiesel. I want to visit a home maker and observe how she or he is doing it. So anyone in Europe who will let me see his or her production unit ? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Low on Ink? Get 80% off inkjet cartridges Free Shipping at 77Colors.com. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon, Compaq and more! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5981 http://us.click.yahoo.com/DmnqpB/IyhGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: biofuels
Hi Kieth, I was wondering if you could post a note on the Biofuel forum for anbody who knows where to get methanol in the Cambridge area or East Anglia, thnkyou very much best regards Martin Brook. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Our web site www.iofuel.org.uk. may help - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units cheneyvii wrote: I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Have you seen our web site? - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units Our web site www.iofuel.org.uk. may help - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units cheneyvii wrote: I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges Refill Kits for Your Epson at Myinks.com Free shipping on orders $50 or more to the US and Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5705lp=home/epson.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/brYXfA/_xWGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] diester oil
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] OT: Perspective on US Oil Dependencies
Sounds good to me - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] OT: Perspective on US Oil Dependencies I wrote the following for publication at Energy Saving Now, please look, comment, correct and suggest a good heading, I took the heading for this discussion as a temporary one and maybe it is the best. I would also be happy if Keith could look at the language. Perspective on Oil Dependencies --- It does not take much knowledge in mathematics to understand that the equations in the demand and supply situation is impossible. See attached article from New York Times [Dec 27, 2002] WASHINGTON Dec. 25 (will be a link on the site). We have said this many times in our discussions. Middle East have 70% of the oil reserves, Iraq and Saudi Arabia have more than half of those. According to professor Hubbert's calculations for production from finite resources, Middle east is at the moment at the peak of production capacity and will not have the capacity to meet the demands. professor Hubbert's methods have proven to be quite accurate during the last 50 years of experiences from them. It is no relief for the world and it is no escape from the dependence of Middle East oil reserves. North America who is taking around a third of the current oil production, or half of the industrialized countries use of oil, is already at a difficult junction. They have to chose if they are going to secure the oil supplies by force and occupation or trust democratic and peaceful means. The peaceful route is very insecure, especially with the current Israel - Palestine problem, that have to be solved very fast if it should be possible. Israel is a loose canon with its current policies of occupation and suppression. US and UK are in favor of the occupation of Iraq. They would in this case secure the Iraqi oil and with enough troops in Iraq, they would have sufficient pressure on Saudi Arabia to make them walk the line. Iraq with Saddam Hussein nor the Palestine resistant movements are smart enough to realize that a confrontation policy is at this time the worst they can do, since it gives US and UK the alibi for occupation. All alternatives in this equation is high risk games and can backfire, the occupation alternative has a very short window of opportunity, if it should have any excuses based on war against terrorism or weapons of mass destruction. Passing this window, an occupation have to be done in the light of a brutal and illegal occupation, against a popular world opinion including and the popular support in UK and US. that maybe make it impossible to do. The oil industry are not helping and are basically divided in two camps. The Dutch based Shell and some other minor oil companies, against the US, UK and other major oil companies. It is almost pathetic to see the resistant towards ethanol and biodiesel/SVO, with the propaganda war in Australia as the current and most visible example. It is also pathetic to see the slow phase of implementing energy saving measures. This in a time when our achievements the next 10 to 20 years are going to be the most crucial in modern times. For emerging industrial nations and developing countries, it is no space in the oil equation. It does not take much of mathematical and political knowledge to come to this conclusion. The only road to continuing development is aggressive energy conservation and alternative energy sources. The successes are gong to be measured in how fast the can develop oil independence. Hakan At 12:00 AM 12/30/2002 -0800, murdoch wrote: Growing U.S. Need for Oil From the Mideast Is Forecast Despite White House statements, US growing more dependent on Saudi oil. Source: New York Times [Dec 27, 2002] WASHINGTON Dec. 25 - As President Bush seeks to reduce American reliance on oil imported from the Persian Gulf, new government studies predict that in two decades the West will be even more dependent on oil from Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern producers. Mr. Bush, asked a week ago on the ABC News program 20/20 about the importance of Saudi Arabian oil, said that we must have an energy policy that diversifies away from dependency on foreign sources of oil - including some that don't like America. Late last month, the Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration forecast that in 2025 the majority - 51 percent - of world oil production would come from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. About two-thirds of OPEC production, in turn, emanates from the Persian Gulf. The Energy Information Administration, or E.I.A., says OPEC now produces 38 percent of the world's oil. The information administration projects that Saudi Arabia will need to produce 22 million barrels a day by 2020 to meet increased world demand,
Re: (response to Keith) Re: [biofuels-biz] Biofuel Business Plan Group Kicking Off Projects NOW
I agree with most of what Haken says, You have been talking about it for weeks, what about starting it. confucous says the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: Re: (response to Keith) Re: [biofuels-biz] Biofuel Business Plan Group Kicking Off Projects NOW Dear Andrew, I have been an entrepreneur for the most part of my active live and started quite a few businesses and if you adapt your ambitions, goals and methods as you go along, it could be a valuable contribution. I have been actively involved in businesses in more than 14 countries and have some points for you, apart that you should listen carefully to Keith and think about what he is saying, 1. A business plan is a map that from its start is very rough and needs to be adjusted all the time. The old joke about military who says If the map does not fit with the terrain, follow the map, is disastrous for business. Therefore I would talk more about adaption than alignment. I do not know how much experiences you have from early startup phases, but recognize that you have participated in business planning and have experiences. 2. It is knowledge, enthusiasm, energy and stubbornness that creates new businesses and markets for them. Values that are a prerequisite for any ground breaking work. It is very few large companies that can live with entrepreneurs, the only one I have close work experiences from, was ITT, when Harold Geneen was still in charge. By the way, I was shocked by his language the only time I participated in a meeting with him, very American. What made ITT was its decentralized structure and at the time the best flexible planning, budget, accounting and follow up system. 3. Entrepreneurs are very much like artists and if you are a gallery representing artists, you need to be humble, supportive, show patience and respect for the work they do. To represent artists is an art in it self. I could go on forever to talk about starting up a business and all the things that happens, but the three points above are most important. I think that your goals of helping is better served by a number of business plan templates, flexibility and adaption. Rather than standard planning and alignment. It could be a very valuable help for many and can also result in strength of a loosely knit interest organization. Hakan At 01:44 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: Keith, Thanks for your candid feedback and good ideas. Before I address your specific points and questions, let me try to clarify that the basic motivation for forming this group as I see it, through a hypothetical: On the consumer side, if I am in New York and I'm interested in questions like: a) how my kid can ride to school in a cleaner bus b) who in NY city government can I call to demand that she ride to school in a cleaner bus c) what vehicle I can buy TODAY that can be more environmentally friendly d) why the local staff of my favorite environmental organizations don't support biodiesel e) what the heck is the connection between fossil fuels and the destruction of my downtown skyline last year f) what local businesses should I patronize that are running environmentally friendly vehicles ... it is currently quite a time consuming and daunting task to find those answers, and most people with jobs and families simply aren't going to. I think we can assist people in educating themselves on local/regional-specific level, and grow our political consituency and the market demand for BD, as a result, and in turn effect greater change. Similarly, on the business side, if I am in New York and I want to start a local environmentally and socially-responsible energy business, I'm trying to assess questions like: a) what are the local market opportunities are and who (fleet owners, building managers with boilers, etc.) controls them, b) what is the local tax/incentive situation c) who is already in the business locally that I might partner or have to compete with d) how I can get effective local PR done to help my fledgling local business grow, etc.? Or if I own a local business with a vehicle fleet and I have heard of this thing called BD but don't know where to get it, I want answers to questions like: a) what my range of choices of suppliers would be b) what the difference between buying BD from soybean oil from World Energy and buying from someone that has processed recycled oil from Chinatown restaurants would be etc. In all these cases is quite difficult to find reliable answers in context to locally-specific questions such as these. The result is fewer businesses, less economical supply, less awareness, and less demand (in no particular order). There is room, and I would argue a need, for some coherence and centralization of
Re: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives
Thankyou, much appreciated. - Original Message - From: girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives I will post a detailed email about how our Berkeley biodiesel coop is organized, but it'll take me a few days to write it up. I get requests for this info a lot. Mark At 12:32 PM 12/19/2002 +, you wrote: Martin Presently a lot of research and development with vegetable oil fuels mainly SVO systems. Also biofuel promotion, lobbying and consultation. See www.vegburner.co.uk Darren -Original Message- From: martin.brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 December 2002 08:41 To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives Very helpfull thankyou. What does vegburner do? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Canada ethanol plants need federal help-industry
Im trying to formally set up Co-ops in the U.K.Does anybody have a workable constitution? aaand how do I protect the work,money,plant and vehicles Ive allready contributed? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:16 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Canada ethanol plants need federal help-industry Abandon this top-down, decentralized, think-big view and instead do everything to encourage small-scale, local production, from backyards up, including coops and on-farm operations, and I think the picture would be rather a different one. Keith http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/19036/story.htm Canada ethanol plants need federal help-industry CANADA: December 13, 2002 WINNIPEG, Manitoba - Lack of startup capital and marginal returns could put the brakes on plans to expand Canada's ethanol industry, despite an optimistic outlook announced in one Prairie province. The Manitoba government said it will consider fostering the industry by mandating the use of cleaner ethanol-blended gasoline in the province. But unless the federal government creates more appealing tax incentives, similar to those available for U.S. ethanol producers, plans in Manitoba and other parts of Canada will stall, said Bliss Baker, president of the Canadian Renewable Fuels Association. Without these additional incentives, I suspect we will not have much of an ethanol industry - period - in the future, Baker told Reuters. The lobby group met with federal finance officials this week to plead for Ottawa to double tax incentives to 20 Canadian cents (13 U.S. cents) a litre in the next federal budget, due in February. U.S. incentives equal to 23 Canadian cents a litre have helped boost that market enough to spur the opening of one new ethanol plant each month this year, Baker said. Five Canadian plants currently produce about 235 million litres (62 million U.S. gallons) a year of the high-octane, water-free alcohol made from grain, and import another 100 million litres annually from the United States. Ethanol-blended gasoline emits lower levels of greenhouse gases. By 2010, Ottawa wants a third of Canadian gasoline to contain ethanol as part of its plan to implement the Kyoto protocol. That would create an annual market for 1.33 billion litres of ethanol, Baker said. But current returns on ethanol production are marginal, at best, Baker said, meaning investors and banks are reluctant to sink money into plants that cost C$100 million ($64 million) on average. Our view is we can't get there without some type of initial incentives to help finance plants, Baker said. MANITOBA SAYS WANTS TO BECOME LEADER Manitoba, the province that was home to the country's first ethanol plant 20 years ago, could produce up to 140 million litres a year, according to a government-commission study released this week. We've intentionally focused on an approach that would maximize local investment and economic benefits for rural Manitoba, said Garth Manness, head of Credit Union Central, who led the study. But it will cost more to produce ethanol in Manitoba than in the neighboring province of Saskatchewan, or nearby states like Minnesota and South Dakota, a prominent agricultural economist told Reuters. That's because Manitoba farmers don't grow enough wheat and would have to import feed to supply both hog farms and ethanol plants, said Daryl Kraft of the University of Manitoba. The only caution I have is to the investors who are going to put their money into these processing facilities: they better proceed with due diligence, Kraft said. Manness said farmers would grow more feed wheat if they could access higher-yielding varieties, currently unavailable in Canada. Story by Roberta Rampton REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general
Really helpfull thankyou. - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general Here are some links: http://www.cooplife.com/startcoop.htm http://web.uvic.ca/bcics/store/manual/ http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~gacoops/info10.htm http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/homestead/Countryside/Wcc7729cf1292d.htm http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~gacoops/coopinfo.htm http://www.coop.org/welcome.htm And this one in your neighborhood: http://www.icos.ie/content/content.asp?section_id=289 http://www.saos.co.uk/Co-operation/about_co-operation1.htm http://www.co-op.co.uk/index.html There are tons of links, just need to research them . ;-) James Slayden On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, martin.brook wrote: I wondered how official your cooperative is and do you have a formal constitution? I aam thinking of setting up a coop in the U.K. but all the standard constitutions seem too stiff, do you mind telling me how yours works and is it reasonbly stable or is there lots of grumbling going on? Martin, Biofuel. org .U.K.Ltd - Original Message - From: girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general Apologies to those on multiple lists for all the cross-posting. I spammed a couple of the biofuel-related lists last week with some complaints about trying to make biodiesel in the midst of some dramatic local weather. We got the first real winter storm, serious rain- the Northern California version of winter is lots of rain and 60F. Not too much to complain about considering I've lived in Leningrad and in New York. But this weekend I wasn't too happy about the timing: my biodiesel equipment is all outside, and I had a lot of fuel that I had JUST finished washing, and it was time to let it 'dry' or 'settle'. But the weather out there was pounding down rain (the remnants of a Typhoon that hit Guam a few days earlier, it turns out). I'd just recently found some info, re-reading a couple of the the U of Idaho biodiesel reports, about bubble drying fuel. It somehow didn't make it into common homebrewers' practice, everyone I've talked to said, yeah, I remember reading that, but I didn't think about applying it to my situation. So I tried it out under the worst possible conditions- ran a bubblestone into a tank of hazy biodiesel that was carefully swathed in tarps (therefore no real opportunity for the moisture in the biodiesel to excape outside the now-closed tank)- and ran some severely humid air through it. People have different techniques and theories about 'drying' biodiesel after washing. Some people leave it in an open container, and claim that it clears up any water haze in anything from a day to a week. It sounds to me that the people doing this live in dry regions. We don't. Others (like Aleks Kac' published acid-base two-stage directions) say to let fuel settle for three weeks or so until it clears water haze. Other options include heating it to drive off water. There are some problems with this- among them, the fact that the MSDS for biodiesel says that biodiesel fumes are not harmful to health- unless heated. I was prepared to do this as I really needed some finished fuel, but I feel like it's not something to take lightly, besides the obvious unnecessary energy input. At our biodiesel coop, we do the 'settling' technique after washing fuel. Sometimes it takes 10 days, but quite often it is still hazy after that point. I was getting frustrated about having all of these drums of settling fuel sitting around at the co-op, taking up storage space, not clearing in the humid weather. It was the bottleneck that was messing up fuel production capacity- we store fuel to settle before washing, then we wash for three days and then we store it some more. And this is a 12' x 8' space in which we are trying to produce fuel for about 15-25 drivers (not very successfully). Sheesh. Seems like a common problem for small-scale homebrewers. So back to the wet weather bubbledrying- it worked to clear haze in that fuel, humid air and all. The 'technique' is to chuck an airstone into a tank of hazy fuel, and bubble for 24-? hours. It doesn't seem to make a really HUGE difference how much fuel you're working with- around here (in the humidity) Kenneth Kron cleared 3 gallons in 12+ hours, Mr.Biosmell cleared 55 gallons in similar conditions of humidity in under 24 hours, which seems about average for the several
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: ... patronising myth
What do Journey forever handmade products actually do? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: ... patronising myth Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:00:58 +0900 To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Werner_K=F6rbitz?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ... patronising myth Hello Werner I appreciate what you're saying, but if you also say that home-brewers of biodiesel cannot produce standard-spec fuel, then you're in the business of myths. The patronising bit didn't apply to you in particular, it was directed more at a very patronising statement made by a previous president of the NBB (while no longer in office), part of a private communication that was relayed to me, and to the demonstrated attitude of two people at World Energy. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Hello Keith, just a few lines on Your statement that both the NBB and Werner Korbitz of the ABI still promote a patronising myth: As an independent and international competence centre we have the objective to support the development of Biodiesel in a way that it may succeed continuously without any up and down and obtain a sustainable solid market position. Experience of more than 12 years of try and error have given proof that the one conditions to reach this goal is to produce consistently standardised quality according to a well defined and mutually agreed fuel standard. This development of such a standard is influenced by the fast technical development of the modern Diesel engine and its electronically controlled fuel injection equipment, forming a very efficient unit in increasing fuel efficiency and economy and in reducing harmful emissions, but setting higher quality requirements for the fuel whether fossil or bio. With our work we have been able to meet these requirements, and recently I drove in a Volkswagen Lupo through the Austrian mountains consuming 76 mpg, - Biodiesel of course. Sorry, - we are not in the business of myths. Best regards Werner KOERBITZ Austrian Biofuels Institute http://www.biodiesel.atwww.biodiesel.at Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: ... patronising myth
I am secretary of the Bamboo Society in the U.K. I plann to undertake a major project in Laos shortly creating a complete community involved in Bamboo, I wondered if there was any synergy with what you are doing, I also wondered how you could devote and spare so much time to Biofuel.you are certainly doing a good job. Best regards, Martin Brook - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: ... patronising myth What do Journey forever handmade products actually do? Handmade Projects, not products. If you visited the link I'm sure you'd find out. We're an NGO, a 3rd World rural development project, an education project, and a few other things. We don't think biofuels is the most important part of our project, and our main focus of interest isn't the industrialised nations. Why d'you ask? Are you ever going to post more than a one-liner, Martin? Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: ... patronising myth Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:00:58 +0900 To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Werner_K=F6rbitz?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ... patronising myth Hello Werner I appreciate what you're saying, but if you also say that home-brewers of biodiesel cannot produce standard-spec fuel, then you're in the business of myths. The patronising bit didn't apply to you in particular, it was directed more at a very patronising statement made by a previous president of the NBB (while no longer in office), part of a private communication that was relayed to me, and to the demonstrated attitude of two people at World Energy. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Hello Keith, just a few lines on Your statement that both the NBB and Werner Korbitz of the ABI still promote a patronising myth: As an independent and international competence centre we have the objective to support the development of Biodiesel in a way that it may succeed continuously without any up and down and obtain a sustainable solid market position. Experience of more than 12 years of try and error have given proof that the one conditions to reach this goal is to produce consistently standardised quality according to a well defined and mutually agreed fuel standard. This development of such a standard is influenced by the fast technical development of the modern Diesel engine and its electronically controlled fuel injection equipment, forming a very efficient unit in increasing fuel efficiency and economy and in reducing harmful emissions, but setting higher quality requirements for the fuel whether fossil or bio. With our work we have been able to meet these requirements, and recently I drove in a Volkswagen Lupo through the Austrian mountains consuming 76 mpg, - Biodiesel of course. Sorry, - we are not in the business of myths. Best regards Werner KOERBITZ Austrian Biofuels Institute http://www.biodiesel.atwww.biodiesel.at Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East
Yes please, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sam Jai-In [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East Dear All, I can put you in touch with a producer here in Thailand. They can produce up to about 20,000 Litre/day. Samai --- martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do you need the Biodiesel? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East Dear Keith, I wrote to you a few days ago but got no reply. I am in Hong Kong right now but will fly to SFO tomorrow. Where are you now? Our company wants to secure a good and inexpensive supply of biodiesel, 1-2,000 tons per month. Do you know anybody who can do it? It is for use in a mixed blend of environmental friendly fuel. When will you return to Hong Kong? Best regards Richard W Lee CNT BioEnergy Ltd., Hong Kong Hello Richard Maybe some of the folks here can point you to a source of biodiesel. There are quite a few of them listed at our website. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel We're in Japan, completing our journey preparations. We won't be returning to Hong Kong. Best wishes Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East
Where do you need the Biodiesel? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East Dear Keith, I wrote to you a few days ago but got no reply. I am in Hong Kong right now but will fly to SFO tomorrow. Where are you now? Our company wants to secure a good and inexpensive supply of biodiesel, 1-2,000 tons per month. Do you know anybody who can do it? It is for use in a mixed blend of environmental friendly fuel. When will you return to Hong Kong? Best regards Richard W Lee CNT BioEnergy Ltd., Hong Kong Hello Richard Maybe some of the folks here can point you to a source of biodiesel. There are quite a few of them listed at our website. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel We're in Japan, completing our journey preparations. We won't be returning to Hong Kong. Best wishes Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding UK
Thankyou - Original Message - From: Andrew Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding UK Re: Can u back this theory up? Actually I'm not sure that I can, it was more of an intuitional thing, or perhaps impulse. Anyway here are a few strands for consideration. Fact not theory. The Human Rights Act works on the basis that the application of all existing and future UK laws must be through the filter of the Human Rights Act. The Act is specifically designed to limit the powers of the state over a citizen. Incidentally do you consider yourself a citizen or a subject? Fact not theory. Taxation is not just an economic thing, it is an instrument of social policy and of state control. And a few people using untaxed fuel, of any description, does not lead to anarchy and no public services. Significant numbers of people using untaxed fuel, or whatever, is a direct sign that a government and its policies, are adrift of society. Fact not theory. The reduction in fuel tax is not a break. A break is when the end-user price after all costs is attractive enough to seriously attract the average joe. Any other way, as now, just leaves the real advantage in the hands of the state, and in business terms, in the hands of the multinationals which can profit by sheer economy of scale. Do you keep a count of the decline of independent fuelers/retailers? In truth, that is you, whether petrol or biofuel. Fact not theory. In the UK the authorities thru HM Customs, and also I believe the police, have developed an increasingly widespread habit of impounding and confiscating vehicles. This is a misuse of state power, as in effect an allegation is made, and a punishment carried out. A vehicle is not evidence; the content of the fultank is evidence. I also recall that there are some ideas around for each of us to have the power to choose how we pay taxes, rather than taxation rates being applied to specific areas, or products. So yes, somewhere in here is the idea that someone has the right under the Human Rights Act to start, nurture and develop a business free of taxation to the business or the product, and only when the scale of the business, in whatever terms this is considered, becomes significant, does taxation start to kick in. And also for a citizen to choose whether or not to pay tax on fuel. Andrew Preston - Original Message - From: Andrew Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK I'm pretty new to biofuels and have been trying to get up to speed by doing lots of internet browsing. I'm probably not too detailed on all the circumstances of the 5 recent people fined in Wales. But it seems to me that the police action is in breach of the UK Human Rights Act. The Act works on the basis that the application of all existing and future UK laws must be through the filter of the Human Rights Act. This would give each person the right to make a free choice as to which fuels to use, regardless of other legislation in place, for example, that all vehicles must use taxed fuels. The only weakening of the Human Rights case, I believe, would be if the fuel used was demonstrably unhealthy to other road users and/or general public. Which biodiesel and straight vegetable oil clearly isnt. -- Andrew Preston -- Andrew Preston Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK
Can you back this thory up - Original Message - From: Andrew Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK I'm pretty new to biofuels and have been trying to get up to speed by doing lots of internet browsing. I'm probably not too detailed on all the circumstances of the 5 recent people fined in Wales. But it seems to me that the police action is in breach of the UK Human Rights Act. The Act works on the basis that the application of all existing and future UK laws must be through the filter of the Human Rights Act. This would give each person the right to make a free choice as to which fuels to use, regardless of other legislation in place, for example, that all vehicles must use taxed fuels. The only weakening of the Human Rights case, I believe, would be if the fuel used was demonstrably unhealthy to other road users and/or general public. Which biodiesel and straight vegetable oil clearly isnt. -- Andrew Preston Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Renewable Energy Development In Cuba - biodiesel?
Could you give me any further info on IFA trucks Im based in Cambrige England working on Bio-diesel - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Renewable Energy Development In Cuba - biodiesel? It seems the Cubans are sticking to their ideology, that everything there comes from sugar cane. They have all the resources (climate, land, Jatropha) to grow oil plants and the possibility to use it directly in truck engines (IFA-trucks from former East Germany) without conversion. But nothing happens. Progress is a snail! Reinhard Henning Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: http://tlent.home.igc.org/renewable%20energy%20in%20cuba.html Renewable Energy Development In Cuba: Sustainability Responds To Economic Crisis April, 1997 ... Cuban annual per capita energy consumption has dropped to about four barrels of oil equivalent, half of what it was before the Special Period. By comparison, the U.S. uses the equivalent of 59 barrels of oil per person annually This is somewhat out of date, and there's no mention of biodiesel. I've read elsewhere that recycling of waste oil and fats into biodiesel is at a high level, but I see no more about it. Does anyone have more info on this? By the way, there's a study tour to Cuba being organized on the topic of: SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE: Cuba's Unprecedented Conversion to Organic Agriculture Contact: U.S. Mailing Address: Global Exchange Cuba - Sustainable Development/Sarah Dotlich 2017 Mission Street, Suite #303 San Francisco, CA 94708 Phone 415-255-7296, ext 231 This should include sustainable and renewable energy. If not, why not? Regards Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- bagani GbR, Reinhard Henning, Rothkreuz 11, D-88138 Weissensberg, Germany Tel: ++49 8389 984129, Fax: 984128, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] internet: www.bagani.de Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] genetic engineering
Yes please I would appreciate the info mentioned - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] genetic engineering there are plans to produce crops of genetically modified oil bearing plants. The oil extracted could be used directly as a diesel fuel because it is composed of a high percentage of small chain length molecules. If anyone wants more info i could dig out the relevant papers. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors
We have the expertise and experience ,please advise us of your requirements. - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors We are in Toronto, Canada. We are looking for a Biodiesel project for a country in Asia. If you have the expertise and experience, please contact us either by email or by phone. -Chandra (905) 257-3554 - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors Where are you Geographically R.S.V.P. A. S. A. P- Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors We are interested in medium to large scale manufacturing plant of Biodiesel fuel to take up commercial production. We are also interested to hear about new and improved processes developed to produce Biodiesel in commercial quantity using cooking oil (used), used grease and animal waste. We would be interested to take it from prototype level to commercial level. Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: biofuel locomotive
Can somebody tell me how to make ethanol from wood please.Martin Brook. Cambridge. England - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: biofuel locomotive From: Harry Valentine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biofuel locomotive Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:47:18 -0500 A background research paper on a railway locomotive concept, which can run on renewable and biofuels, is at: http://www.geocities.com/harryc11 Thank you Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 98
Well done any idea of cost? - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 98 I'm working on a small biodiesel plant design at present. It is contained within an industrial spec. trailer with an A frame on a 'fifth wheel' and has a 200l boiler, a 200l mixer and centrifugal filter/ separator. I plan to have it on the market in April 2002 ... Paddy Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel motor capable of 60 mpg
In europe the VW Lupo and the Seat Arosa(same car different badge ) are availaable and relly do 98mpg on the road and you can put your foot down and go.Why dont you import them? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] diesel motor capable of 60 mpg Someone in this group mentoned a diesel motor for an auto that is being produced somewhere in Europe capable of providing 60 miles per gallon. Can anyone provide info on that motor including its possible availability and cost? Of considerable interest to me, and possibly others, is how can you go about powering a readilly available U.S. car chassis with a diesel motor like this, if indeed it is practical to do so. Having demonstrated that it is indeed possible and practical to produce biodiesel from readily available domestic resources, as has been done on this webb site, the next important question is can you modify a readily available U.S. produced vehicle with an available super efficient diesel motor to burn biodiesel. I am talking about more options than burning biodiesel in the limited kinds of diesel autos that are already available in the U.S. Imperial Diesel, for example, already produces an electric generator that consists of foreign available parts. Why doesn't someone put together a diesel powered small car or truck, utilizing mostly already available U.S. parts? The assembly of the parts could take place domestically, as Imperial Diesel does now for generators. Something like this, it seems to me, would do more to promote the use of biodiesel in the U.S. and elsewhere than it would to continue to discuss the fine points of how biodiesel could be produced. The problem of widely transitioning to a biodiesel economy here in the U.S. MUST include having widely available for use the most economical and efficient diesel-powered vehicles in which to burn the biodiesel. The fuel and the vehicle go together, don't they? So, can someone tell me where to find a diesel motor that will get 60 mpg, and, if possible, whether any consideration has been given to fitting this motor into domestic vehicles? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant
Where are you(approxiamately? - Original Message - From: John Cromarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] small production plant Hi. I am looking for information on a small bio-diesel plant capable of processing about 30 tonnes of used veg oil per year. So far all the commercial plants have been much larger than my needs and consequentially uneconomic. Any help would be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://us.click.yahoo.com/d49MCB/3WDDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi (was diesel motor capable of 60 mpg
It is the Vw Lupo or Seat Arosa in europe (both the same car different badges) - Original Message - From: Thor Skov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi (was diesel motor capable of 60 mpg I read that VW has a 1.3liter engine that gets 100mpg. I'll find the reference if you're interested. This car is not, of course, sold in the US. --- Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't exactly the answer you've requested, but the VW Jetta Tdi engine will give 45-50 mpg as installed in the Jetta and the New Bug. In a lighter vehicle, you could get 60 mpg or better. Not cheap now, but in a few years as they come available in junkyards, they will be. And you can buy them in the US - although they are scarce. The older Jetta diesels (also installed in Passats) are also very fuel efficient - are available used. And all VW diesels are supposed to work well with both biodiesel, with the only modification necessary being the replacement of any rubber fuel hoses with synthetic, with straight vegetable oil - either new oil or filtered fry oil, with the installation of a 2nd heated tank. Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone in this group mentoned a diesel motor for an auto that is being produced somewhere in Europe capable of providing 60 miles per gallon. = Grants Manager Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians 3439 Stoluckquamish Lane P.O. Box 277 Arlington, WA 98223-0277 (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner
where are you? - Original Message - From: Oscar Pet Foods [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner I do not have the time or the equipment to make a waste oil burner, but have an almost endless supply of WVO. I would be very interested in obtaining one, is there any body who could supply one of these Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ujOgTC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner
Cambridge, England - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner where are you? - Original Message - From: Oscar Pet Foods [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner I do not have the time or the equipment to make a waste oil burner, but have an almost endless supply of WVO. I would be very interested in obtaining one, is there any body who could supply one of these Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ujOgTC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION
I agree entirely and look forward to your future posts, keep up the good work. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION hi all, biofuels in blending with diesel or petrol can reduce the emission. but it is currently produced at the 2-3 times higher cost then the fossil fuel. we have to discover the various feedstock for this and also look for cheaper feedstock for biofuel. if diesel and electric can work then why cant we think on using biofuel(ethanol) and electric power. let us try to concentrate on the continuous process plant to produce biofuel in bulk. one thing is important after the natural setting of the biofuel process there is 10-15% of crude glycerine residue. why dont we try to find the avenues for usage of this glycerine into some useful products. ciao vinay Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION
My Seat Arosa (made by volkswagen ) gives 55-60 mpg with normal (not frugal) driving. Why dont you import them? - Original Message - From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION At 10:03 PM 9/19/01 +0900, you wrote: http://www.tompaine.com/features/2001/09/10/index.html TOMPAINE.com: Q A HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION How the Auto Industry Has Shaped Our Lives [snip] The Japanese did not beat the Americans... they made everyone winners in the fight against pollution. Natural selection takes over. If the American car companies want to huddle together and stop progress, someone, somewhere will make something better and that will be the day the dinosaurs die off(and die they should for keeping others from growing). Same with Biodiesel, we are having our birth pains right now but the technology is spreading and getting refined. Someone in this group might find a way to make it even cheaper and become bigger that OPEC, you never know. Point is you can't stop people from getting ahead and people will get ahead. If you don't get ahead, your just waiting for your inflection point to your end. Ken There's no reason on Earth why we should not have vehicles getting 40, 50 miles per gallon. In fact, today we see the Japanese have, once again beat us, technologically, with the hybrid vehicle. These are half gasoline, half electric powered vehicles that get 50, 60, 70 miles per gallon in certain circumstances. Most of them average 50, 60 miles per gallon in city driving. They're quite a revolution. They cut smog by -- they cut the auto contribution of smog -- by nearly 80 percent. They cut carbon dioxide, the global warming gas by 50, 60 percent. And they have a 500-mile driving range. People are discovering that a fill-up of a hybrid only has to occur once every two or three weeks. These are quite revolutionary vehicles. And Honda and Toyota are selling them now, at about 20,000 a year here in the states already -- and there are waiting lines. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] never a contribution
Have a good day - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] never a contribution If you have an invention my belief is you publish it--make it public domain. No one can squelch it then (although economical carburetors were squelched by approval procedures). If you raise the standard of living then you benefit, and your friends and heirs. If you become destitute the enhanced standard of living raises the base line. Patents only give you the right to sue someone. If you don't have very deep pockets to mount a vigorous legal challenge a patent is useless. Since it takes time to get court orders etc. one can build a lucrative business selling a patented item and then closing and reopening across the street as a new company when finally shut down. The best thing any individual can do is strive for self sufficiency. A bit difficult for urban dwellers but some steps can be made. Money saved is after tax money. This will free you--give you more time. This time can be used to further benefit you. The system is designed to keep you running 90 miles an hour to stand in place. Not good. Kirk -Original Message- From: jan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:07 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] never a contribution Hello, Its easy to say that manny subscribers never post anything Well i posted now somthing. But does it make sense that many people cant post because most things are illegal unless you pay BIG tax money so the keep a low profile just like the hemp experimenters in the us (the real one,s) even if you invent somthing that is useble cheap the chance that it get market is litle if your lucke a big compagny buys it and stores it away the wont market it because the sell less of there own product of not goverments make to much money on energie/fuel tax that means that aldo the are less dependent of oil money is nr one So to me every talk about the enviroment is useless because the only thing goverments are intrested in is money even (if there are) good politicians think only in money most people dont realease that 80% of the energie generated in this world is wasted by the military and the industrys that suply them And the dont care about the energie efectiveness of . and will not use a other source for a long time sorry bit off topic and political but that is every thing whe do on this planet. rgds jan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES
Hi Simon Wells is nearest to you in Reading, suggest you give him a try. - Original Message - From: Ray Foulk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES I am based in Oxford but very mobile. The amount would be in the order of, say 30 ltr / week. Thanks, Ray - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES what part of the south east r u ? how much do you want? - Original Message - From: Ray Foulk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel list biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES Does anyone have knowledge of any sources of biofuel in the south of England? Are there places, or a place where one can purchase reliable quality bio-diesel? Thanks, Ray. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES
what part of the south east r u ? how much do you want? - Original Message - From: Ray Foulk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel list biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES Does anyone have knowledge of any sources of biofuel in the south of England? Are there places, or a place where one can purchase reliable quality bio-diesel? Thanks, Ray. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection
methanol available from Northampton area collect or deliver tel 01832 731555 - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection We collect methanol from hayes, UK with no problem ... try pretending you're a farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers Hi Wooly In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health). Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered and don't move it again (legally) without full certification. Dave --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith That would be most helpful of you. Steve Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38 Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 - Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Australian Suppliers From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Re: Australian Suppliers From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ __ __ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000 From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Australian Suppliers Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. __ __ __ __ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers Hi Steve When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it. By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source of visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain and Canada. I think the membership of the Biofuels list has a similar pattern, but not so easy to tell because of all the non-country-specific Yahoos and hotmails etc. Best wishes Keith Addison Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: methanol collection
Hoe do I contact u now? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: methanol collection Why do you need to collect the methanol? Unless your right on their doorstep it must be cheaper to have them deliver. Or is this a problem with North Wales? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet...
Hi, Im in Cambridge U.K. and would love a copy of Your draft plan. By the way I have found Schools and Hotel kitchens to be a good source of WVO.Best regards, Martin - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet... Hi Cordain, Have you looked for a bakery or a plant that turns out fried snacks like potato chips etc in your area, a donut company is also a good bet, for your oil needs ? You may have to go just a little farther than you anticipated for your oil supply. Restaurants are not always a good bet ! I would be interested in the generic business plan if you could post it. Regards, David Cruse - Original Message - From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet... hello all, Well good news. I've made good progress on my business plan. The actual company outline/structure is really easy to write. However the marketing, research and competition portions have required tremendous amounts of localized research. This is a yet not realized market in my area so I'm having to write out several scenarios and then go through them with a fine tooth comb to find the most feasible, least costly but long term effective solutions. I'm also trying to minimize the costly trial and error process. To err is human, to err without forethought is silly. I forgot how tedious writing one of these things gets. But I'm painting a portrait not a house. So little strokes. My biggest challenge thus far has not even been the figuring out my budget or financial concerns as it has been finding an adequate WVO oil supply to keep up with my propossed plant size (1000 US Gallons input per 24 hours period). Of the 50 or so restaurants I've queried in my immediate area none of them [net totals] cycle out oil fast enough to meet my needs. (Which is quickly narrowing down the restaurants that I patronize.) Vegetable oil gets to the viscosity of used motor oil quickly with heavy usage. I dont understand trying to stretch the oil (topping off old oil), it makes the food taste like soap after a while. I've written in an incentive program into the model that compensates restaurants for their WVO, but I'm trying to avoid that for the moment. However I may wind up resorting to it, if WVO quality is too poor. I'm continuing my survey of surrounding zones (about 15 miles radious from propossed plant sites) for the the highest oil consumption. This will ultimatly decide where I put the plant. Recovery and distribution figures are the most easily controlled cost in my current model. I may wind up moving the project closer to Washington DC as it has a much higher ratio of restaurants per square mile. In any case I need to get back to researching and writing my back-up plans for the model. If anyone is interested I can post a generic WVO business plan (outline). It's more or less a fill in the blanks deal. No single business plan is going to work for every business and it's definetly a living document. It's not a cut and dry plan, but it will get you going in the correct direction. cheers, cordain dulles, va From: Pat McCotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:16:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [64.252.1.96] Received: from [64.211.240.232] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD18157B002D400438CE40D3F0E85300126; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:17:52 -0700 Received: from [10.1.4.55] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2001 10:16:31 - Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 13 Jul 2001 10:16:30 - Received: (qmail 28104 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 10:16:30 - Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2001 10:16:30 - Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.222) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 10:16:27 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:16:27 -0700 Received: from 64.252.1.96 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:16:26 GMT From sentto-3381553-252-995019391-ohwrd Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:19:47 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 10:16:27.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[E05044B0:01C10B84] Mailing-List: list biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the kick. I just joined a couple
Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection
Hayes where? what would a farmer do with it? - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection We collect methanol from hayes, UK with no problem ... try pretending you're a farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers Hi Wooly In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health). Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered and don't move it again (legally) without full certification. Dave --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith That would be most helpful of you. Steve Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38 Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 - Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Australian Suppliers From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Re: Australian Suppliers From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ __ __ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000 From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Australian Suppliers Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. __ __ __ __ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers Hi Steve When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it. By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source of visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain and Canada. I think the membership of the Biofuels list has a similar pattern, but not so easy to tell because of all the non-country-specific Yahoos and hotmails etc. Best wishes Keith Addison Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'.
Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection UK
Thanks, nice one, will report back next week - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection UK hays chemical distribution,, westington ho, manchester, 0161 8487938 get a quotation sent to you by fax/post then show it at the gate. Wear green wellies and a barbour jacket. - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection Hayes where? what would a farmer do with it? - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection We collect methanol from hayes, UK with no problem ... try pretending you're a farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers Hi Wooly In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health). Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered and don't move it again (legally) without full certification. Dave --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith That would be most helpful of you. Steve Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38 Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 - Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Australian Suppliers From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Re: Australian Suppliers From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ __ __ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000 From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Australian Suppliers Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. __ __ __ __ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers Hi Steve When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it. By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source of visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain and Canada. I think the membership
Re: [biofuel] Business Plan for Bio Diesel?
I would really appreciate you doing this and letting me have a copy,can i help? where are you? Im in Cambridge U.K. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Business Plan for Bio Diesel? Has anyone drafted a business plan for grants re Bio Diesel and applying for grants to further its development and are will ing to share it. I have local body representatives willing to sponsor a project in this area and Im looking for all the facts I can to promote Bio Diesel. Regards Scotty. biofuels-biz list For anyone making biofuels for distribution, whether commercial, cooperative, Non-profit or other, especially local-scale - start-ups, would-be start-ups, going concerns. Share information, problems, resources here. Post message: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List url: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Winterising additives
when it gets cold i`ll tell yer - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Winterising additives OK, Don - take your point, wouldn't disagree, but my main interest was/is in cold weather additives - anyone any related experience/comments? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
Basically there is a continous production plant undergoing Bio Diesel trials at this point in time ,it will cost apprximately £20,000. Details will be available for publication in a couple of months time which will confirm data obtained in practical trials. Our intention is to have the kit marketable by the new year, sorry if this seems rather lengthy but we are an independent organisationand and self funding and based in Cambridge which is why I asked your whereabouts. I travel to Newcastle quite frequently but have not enjoyed Scotland for some time.If I can be of any further help or point you in the right direction for the benefit of bio-fuel in general please let me know. Best regards Martin Brook - Original Message - From: Donna Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Scotland - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? what part of the country are you? - Original Message - From: Donna Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Hi All I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great. Can anyone tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to methanol or ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any help is appreciated. Thanks Donna Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
I might nbe wrong but I beleive you have to have a special license to grow hemp in this country ,have ytou checked that aspect of things? - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Thankyou for your prompt reply I shall endeavour to get the answers for you during the week. As luck would have it my assistant is away next week so I may be slower than usual responding.Best regards,Martin - Original Message - From: Donna Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Martin Thank you, I am trying to see if it will be feasible to set up a hemp project, farming and processing. I am interested in the bio fuel side but as it has many uses there is many possibilities. I am trying to put together a project proposal to apply for government funding which is available here. I have spoken to a couple of people in the field who have shown some interest in being involved if we go ahead. So what is the capacities of the kit, the place I have in mind right now is around 300 acres, this would hopefully produce around 1000 gallons of methane per acre and around 500 litres of oil for processing would this be ok? Any help is appreciated. Thanks - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Basically there is a continous production plant undergoing Bio Diesel trials at this point in time ,it will cost apprximately £20,000. Details will be available for publication in a couple of months time which will confirm data obtained in practical trials. Our intention is to have the kit marketable by the new year, sorry if this seems rather lengthy but we are an independent organisationand and self funding and based in Cambridge which is why I asked your whereabouts. I travel to Newcastle quite frequently but have not enjoyed Scotland for some time.If I can be of any further help or point you in the right direction for the benefit of bio-fuel in general please let me know. Best regards Martin Brook - Original Message - From: Donna Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Scotland - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help? what part of the country are you? - Original Message - From: Donna Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help? Hi All I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great. Can anyone tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to methanol or ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any help is appreciated. Thanks Donna Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address
Re: [biofuels-biz] Help!! Continuous biodiesel plant wanted.( if the figures add up)
£2 where are you? - Original Message - From: Hanns B. Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Help!! Continuous biodiesel plant wanted.( if the figures add up) Harry, One company that comes to mind is Energea, located in Austria the URL is http://www.energea.at/en_info.html I emailed them some months ago with a price query and they replied thy wanted production requirements before being able to answer me. I guess that is fair enough. They seem to specialise in very large capacity units. Hanns -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2001 10:27 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Help!! Continuous biodiesel plant wanted.( if the figures add up) Can anyone direct me to companies that sell continuous biodiesel plants. I followed some links to one web site that looked promising and emailed a request for pricing and capacity details but have no reply a week later. Regards from Harry Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Horse Manure
Hi, ssure I can convert this into energy,however I would need some more information to make an educated judgement - Original Message - From: Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 4:16 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Horse Manure Message: 21 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 06:09:36 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Horse Manure I have approximately 160,000 cubic yard of horse manure in New Mexico. Does anyone know of someone who might be interested in it to convert into fuel? Carl That's 80,000 tons of horseshit! How on earth did you manage to accumulate so much? What condition is it in? You might get some more inquiries from people involved with horses. I have put a couple of paragraphs about biodiesel on my horse site: http://horses-etc.com ... and there was a post yesterday about using waste from wood processing so maybe the wood shavings used for stalls together with the manure could be used ... that would be wonderful. :)) and yes to another post ... clean veggie oil can certainly be used. In those same two paragraphs see the link for Southern States Power Company ... they will be opening a large production plant for biodiesel from soybeans. Wendy (This is the first time I have posted. I just started learning about biodiesel a week or so ago). -- http://horses-etc.comhttp://the2rs.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Model Engines
A company called Irvine do them in theUK. Irvine Engines Ltd, Unit 2, Brunswick Ind. Pk, New Southgate, London, N11 1JL. I've lost their number but direct enquiries have it. - Original Message - From: anton and federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Model Engines model airplane engines are retrofittable to run on diesel fuel. the kits are available at certain model store. they may not be that cheap though. anton -- From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Model Engines Date: May 11, 2001, 9:05 PM Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a working model of a diesel engine? I want to use the engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in demonstrations and also be able to do some testing with it. Any information would be appreciated. Also, the less expensive, the better. ;-) Thanks in advance. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerol
where r u? - Original Message - From: Matt Schaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerol I run a small soap and toiletries business right now. The web site is www.cssoap.com but its not up yet because I downed it for improvements. Anyway, I am just researching biodesiel right now. I would be interested in the glycerin, as I use it in making more enriched soap(melt and pour soap) as well as lotion. If anyone ends up with a few lbs to spare, I would love to get some, expecially to save it from being buried. I would like to experiment with it more, but i have limited accessibility to it. If anyone is willing to go to the effort of bottle it up, i would be very thankful. Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
