[biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!!!!!
So is there no obligation to keep bad people from doing bad things?
If you walked past an alley and someone was being beaten would you:
1) keep on walking, or
2) go get a commitee together to decide if the person doing the beating should
be stopped, or
3) just go in and stop the beating, or
4) look for an inspector to determine whether there was actual beating occuring
or not before deciding what to do?
If OJ simpson were out Knife shopping, wouldn't you keep an eye on him, and try
to intervene before he decided to off his latest girlfriend?
Exactly what lie was told?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/mc20030718.shtml
This whole lie is a political sham to give the Democrats a snowballs chance
in hades of winning the presidency next year.
My biggest fear is that Bush will go so far to the left (perscription drugs,
willy nilly spending, etc..) that he'll lose his base (and the election), just
like his daddy did in '92.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20030718.shtml
For all the whining about Bush, just what kind of response do you suppose Big
Al would have had to september '01? Algore's lies are well documented.
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To be fair, I looked for Bushes lies too, and apparently his opposition isn't
too well organized. The best I could find was this:
http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm
And after reading about half of the sheet, it seemed that most all of them were
not Bush lies, but rather Bush ADMINISTRATION lies - not quite the same thing.
I can understand statements within an organization being delivered by different
people at different times in different people getting scrambled. That's part
of the nature of large organizations - unfortunate, but true. I'd think that
Al could remember whether he actually raised tobacco on his farm or whether he
really invented the internet
Eric
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What I would do?
First I would concentrate on making a sustainable Energy
Plan for US, which minimized dependence on fossil fuels
and really did something on energy conservation.
Secondly, I am happy that I cannot be elected as US
president. Because I am very bad on lies and prefer not
to have to do them. Would not be able to work well with
people like Cheney, Rumsfelt and the rest of the gang.
Hakan
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[biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!!!!!
Where do I say that all Americans lie? The inspectors were not given ready access, nor were they given full ability to interview key personel freely. So what kind of Government would you want Iraq to have? Are you implying that all types of Democracy are evil? What makes it the right American Democracy I'm not sure how I'm being Pessimistic. I believe that the leadership of the US and British government did and is doing the morally correct thing. I'm not sure they spoke the right reasons for doing it, but I believe that we are doing the morally correct thing, and that Iraq will be a better country when we leave it than it was when we arrived. In some ways, I believe it already is. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree after your reply. This is WY off topic from my original post, which addressed states rights and individual rights within the US. We aren't going to resolve this, and we're cluttering the archives with off topic stuff. If you want to take this to another forum, however, I'll go along. Just let me know where we're going. Eric --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I know that US is a very dangerous place to live in and if you called the police, you would probably be arrested for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. What are you telling me, that all Americans lie? I agree that it is easier to spot the few true things, said by the Bush administration, than following all the lies. However, on occasions you can even catch Bush. Like the latest (that I know of), THE PRESIDENT: The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe the decisions we made will make America more secure and the world more peaceful. I maybe have to inform you that the inspectors was allowed in and also full access. Search the motives and I will repeat what I said to start with, Eric, Do not worry, if US can get the right American democracy government in place. US have secured close to its 25% need of the worlds oil resources and the money was well spent. In that case you can definitely say that US did the right thing for US. Who cares about the Iraqis? They have the wrong religion and do not appreciate the American culture anyway. The world is a better place for American actions, after Iraq. It is so afraid of Americans, that it is a petty that US cannot benefit from the extra Biogas production and use it for solving the Natural gas problem. You are too pessimistic, try to look at it from the bright side. That is what I suggested. Even if the natural gas problem remains. The Iraqis that was betrayed and murdered by Saddam, with US as instigator and silent onlooker are dead. Do not expect that their families and friends should love the Americans. I have full understanding of that some people will try to take a potshot on Americans, when they finally comes in the shooting range. Personally, I am against violent revenge or any other killings, but that does not mean that I do not understand the motives. Hakan At 03:04 PM 7/18/2003 +, you wrote: So is there no obligation to keep bad people from doing bad things? If you walked past an alley and someone was being beaten would you: 1) keep on walking, or 2) go get a commitee together to decide if the person doing the beating should be stopped, or 3) just go in and stop the beating, or 4) look for an inspector to determine whether there was actual beating occuring or not before deciding what to do? If OJ simpson were out Knife shopping, wouldn't you keep an eye on him, and try to intervene before he decided to off his latest girlfriend? Exactly what lie was told? http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/mc20030718.shtml This whole lie is a political sham to give the Democrats a snowballs chance in hades of winning the presidency next year. My biggest fear is that Bush will go so far to the left (perscription drugs, willy nilly spending, etc..) that he'll lose his base (and the election), just like his daddy did in '92. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20030718.shtml For all the whining about Bush, just what kind of response do you suppose Big Al would have had to september '01? Algore's lies are well documented. http://connect.247media.ads.link4ads.com/serv/1/National_Review_Online/National_Review_Online/National_Review_Online_ROS/40265;type=t;uniq=2003.07.18.10.42.40 To be fair, I looked for Bushes lies too, and apparently his opposition isn't too well organized. The best
[biofuel] States and individual rights, not social darwinsim (was Re: If youre pro war)
My point was a bit misconstrued here. My point is that none of those programs
(some of which do some good things) should not be run by the federal
government. They are programs that should either be run by state, or local
governments, or (God Forbid) non-government entities including charities and
individuals.
I fully understand that everyone does better when everyone does better. I
also understand that many well-intentioned government programs do more to keep
people repressed than to encourage them to expand to their full potential.
That's why I encourage education (for an example) to be removed from the
government. It isn't managed in the best interest of the children, but usually
in the best interest of the teachers union, and the continuation and expansion
of whatever agency gets its fingers in the cash pie.
In America today, you go through the school system, and are then thrown into
the swimming pool of the big wide world. Unfortunately, our schools are often
leaving life jackets on kids until graduation day in the interest of
protecting their self esteem and other touchy feely crap, so that they don't
know how or whether they can swim. Come graduation day, all the life vests
come off, and into the pool you go, until you get to the edge of drowning and
the government lifeguard department of social services has to fish you out of
whatever trouble you got sucked into.
I do plenty to support people who need help, and I'm the first person in line
with my checkbook and my labor through private agencies. I also recognize,
though that the only reason I'm able to do that is because I had good parents
and happened to get a decent public school that taught me how to swim and make
good choices on what roads to follow.
I'd rather concentrate on the zeroth approach; try to keep people from needing
a rescue in the first place, then rescue one or 2 people (through volunteer
lifeguards) instead of rescuing an entire beach full of people with government
paid professional lifeguards.
I've been to swimming pools where you had to swim so many laps in the shallow
end before they let you into the deep end. Since life doesn't have such a
test, and life has a nasty habit of throwing in currents, undertows and
drop-offs, it's in our best interests to make sure as many people as possible
can swim. For that to be most effective, it has to happen at as local a level
as possible without meddling from Washington.
In short, my point was that the feds should have nothing to do with educating
kids (Head start, teachers, college scholarships), health care, housing, and
CNG conversions for automobiles. It was meant as a rant against big government
putting its fingers where it didn't belong, NOT a rant to let people suffer.
Eric
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another Social Darwinist rears his beak.
Something tells me that you're not familiar with the concept (much less the
understanding) that everyone does better when everyone does better.
Perhaps if you were familiar with water rescue techniques you'd see things a
bit differently. First approach? - get flotation to them. Last approach? -
hands on rescue.
Trick is that when the last approach is executed it's usually when the
individual is but a hair's breadth from going under and in sheer panic. Sad
thing is that if the situation gets to that point it's all too possible that
both both parties end up drowning.
But you'd prefer the sink or swim approach, eh?
Let's hope for your and your family's sake that you never need a rope, or
your children a book, or a catastrophic medical life buoy or disaster relief
or...well...you get the pointOr do you?
Todd Swearingen
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Subject: [biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!
Since the war is paid for using federal dollars, and none of the
programs compared to the war cost are actually pograms that the
constitution delegates to the federal government, it seems to me that
we should be cutting all those non-delegated federal programs to pay
for the war, which is a power that actually DOES belong to the Federal
government.
Our tax dollars wouldn't be being wasted if the constitution were
being obeyed. The federal government has no business in many of the
programs that it uses to meddle in our lives.
Eric
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[biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!!!!!
Actually, I agree that we should have had a formal war declaration. I DO think we did the right thing, and that the world is a better place for our actions in the past few months, but I think the methods by which we got to the decision to do it probably are suspect. It's an example of how violating the constitution just a little bit becomes a slippery slope that isn't recoverable. Abe Lincoln was the first to get away with a wholesale violation of the constitution by not letting the south secede peacefully. The whole concept of our government was a VOLUNTARY union of states. Once membership becomes irrevocable, there is no defense against bad government, and the country hasn't been the same since. Eric --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Taking your argument a step further, we wouldn't be in this war if the executive branch had not usurped the power to declare war from the legislative branch. Or rather if Congress had not allowed the President to usurp its responsibilities. According to the Constitution Article I, section 8, Clause 11 (Congress shall have the power) To declare War. If the question of a declaration of war had been put to a vote, it would have failed miserably. Instead our congressional leaders settled on a much weaker euphemistic Joint Resolution for the Authorization of the Use of Military Force. This is NOT the same as a declaration of war, and allowed our congressmen to pussyfoot around the actual issue of invading another sovereign nation. I will agree with you that we should not be funding non-delegated federal programs, but even so their cost is miniscule compared to the daily, weekly, monthly and eventually yearly cost of the Iraq occupation. So you are right in a round-about way. Billions and billions of our tax dollars would not be wasted fighting an unjust and illegal war had the constitution been obeyed. -BRAH -Original Message- From: mtushmoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:21 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this! --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.costofwar.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Since the war is paid for using federal dollars, and none of the programs compared to the war cost are actually pograms that the constitution delegates to the federal government, it seems to me that we should be cutting all those non-delegated federal programs to pay for the war, which is a power that actually DOES belong to the Federal government. Our tax dollars wouldn't be being wasted if the constitution were being obeyed. The federal government has no business in many of the programs that it uses to meddle in our lives. Eric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3551198.4824677.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1663535/R=0/SIG=11ps6rfef/*http:/www.ediets.com/start.cfm?co de=30504media=atkins http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3551198.4824677.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1663535/rand=562989636 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sOykFB/k9VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!!!!!
I have the reference at home, but the south was badgered into firing the first shot. In any event, even if the Confederacy DID start it, why was the appropriate action to take over the entire country and re-unionize it? I'll try to post the reference tonight, but it will be from The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War by Thomas J. Dilorenzo http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0761536418/qid=1058468572/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-9353886-2508945?v=glances=booksn=507846 Eric --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Did I miss something in history class? It was my understanding that the South declared war in a non-peaceful manner, when they fired on Ft. Sumter. Greg H. - Original Message - From: mtushmoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 08:32 Subject: [biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this! Abe Lincoln was the first to get away with a wholesale violation of the constitution by not letting the south secede peacefully. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!!!!!
argument a step further, we wouldn't be in this war if the executive branch had not usurped the power to declare war from the legislative branch. Or rather if Congress had not allowed the President to usurp its responsibilities. According to the Constitution Article I, section 8, Clause 11 (Congress shall have the power) To declare War. If the question of a declaration of war had been put to a vote, it would have failed miserably. Instead our congressional leaders settled on a much weaker euphemistic Joint Resolution for the Authorization of the Use of Military Force. This is NOT the same as a declaration of war, and allowed our congressmen to pussyfoot around the actual issue of invading another sovereign nation. I will agree with you that we should not be funding non-delegated federal programs, but even so their cost is miniscule compared to the daily, weekly, monthly and eventually yearly cost of the Iraq occupation. So you are right in a round-about way. Billions and billions of our tax dollars would not be wasted fighting an unjust and illegal war had the constitution been obeyed. -BRAH -Original Message- From: mtushmoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:21 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this! --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.costofwar.com/ Since the war is paid for using federal dollars, and none of the programs compared to the war cost are actually pograms that the constitution delegates to the federal government, it seems to me that we should be cutting all those non-delegated federal programs to pay for the war, which is a power that actually DOES belong to the Federal government. Our tax dollars wouldn't be being wasted if the constitution were being obeyed. The federal government has no business in many of the programs that it uses to meddle in our lives. Eric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: If youre pro war, read this!!!!!
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.costofwar.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Since the war is paid for using federal dollars, and none of the programs compared to the war cost are actually pograms that the constitution delegates to the federal government, it seems to me that we should be cutting all those non-delegated federal programs to pay for the war, which is a power that actually DOES belong to the Federal government. Our tax dollars wouldn't be being wasted if the constitution were being obeyed. The federal government has no business in many of the programs that it uses to meddle in our lives. Eric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Control Hunger EZ with fast acting oral EZ Appetite Suppressant Spray from VitaminBoost.com. 1 Month Supply - 2oz., 80 sprays: $19.97. http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2866lp=ezappetite3.html http://us.click.yahoo.com/aSJFwB/XWXGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] vac distillation heat disposal
Remember, Boiling requires heat to make it happen, even if it is occuring in a vacumn. The vacumn making the ethanol boil will absorb heat from the mix. That's the process that air conditioners work byor did you mean the heat in the condensor from the condensing vapors? Eric It's disposing of the heat after I've used it, that will be my shortcoming. I am trying to remove the heat disposal problem, by simply not putting the heat in to start with. I welcome any thoughts and commentary on my approach. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
