RE: [biofuel] Re: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propagate.
Flax is grown for its fibre, when it is grown for oil, varieties of linseed are used, same plant but different breeding and purpose. Both will produce oil and fibre but it is the amount and quality of the two products which vary. If the sails were white they must have been bleached as hemp fibre is normally a grey/brown colour due to the method of fibre extraction where the stems are allowed to rot (ret) in a controlled manner (either bacterial when retted in tanks or rivers or fungal when dew retted in fields)to weaken the plant glues and release the fibres. Norris -Original Message- From: bratt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 March 2003 04:12 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propagate. Hemp and flax are quite different plants, although they both can be used for oil and for fibre. Hemp is a fairly close relative of the common nettle, and will cross with it in the wild. I have seen hemp-nettle grow to 6 feet. Flax can be selectively bred to produce long stalks for fibre, but most is grown of short varieties for oil seed. Flax fibres produce a fine cloth, whereas hemp has a traditional use in making hemp rope, and sailcloth. The banning of hemp production (supposedly as a drug source) was largely a marketing campaign by Dupont and other companies to implement use of polypropelene rope. The white sails once used on sailing ships were hemp cloth. I have an antique tent from WW2 that is made of hemp cloth. Ed - Original Message - From: murdoch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propagate. On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:44:09 -, you wrote: Murdoch, is this hemp the stuff we know as flax? I don't know. Maybe Todd can answer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] DIY diesel hybrid
What type of coupling have you in mind for the trailer. Why not just have a diesel engine driving a DC generator in the trailer coupled to the DC motor in the car. It would not be quite so efficient but would be easier to control. Could also be used for charging batteries and may not need to use fuel with tax payed. Norris -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 14:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wastewatts; vegoil-diesel; sustainablenrg; homeenergysolutions; future9; EcoPages_Newswire; BiomassGroup; bio-oil; alternatepower; biofuels-biz; BFIC; 3rdworldenergy; Biofuel - Egroups; Biodiesel - Egroups Subject: [biofuel] DIY diesel hybrid Here is the beginnings of a interesting biofueled hybrid project biodiesel/veggie oil to replace the diesel. http://www.mrsharkey.com/pusher.htm Some Background: Electric vehicles are great for around-town driving. Clean, quiet, and up to the task of keeping up with urban traffic. Longer trips can be difficult. The problem is that they do need to be recharged. Mine has a range of approximately 40 miles, so a trip to, say, Portland (100 miles) would require two stops to charge, at about 8 hours per stop. Obviously, this is unworkable in terms of convenient traveling. I could drive my internal combustion engined pickup, but it's kind of worn out, and gets only OK mileage. What's needed is a way to convert the EV into a hybrid for longer distances. Enter the EV pusher trailer, which allows me to have an internal combustion engine to drive the EV forward longer distances when needed, but is detachable for around town use when I want to drive as a pure electric vehicle. How It Works: The EV pusher is constructed out of the front end of a 1978 Volkswagen Rabbit, powered by a 52 horsepower diesel engine. It has a stock three-speed automatic transmission, axles, and CV joints, all connected to the front wheels as a front-wheel-drive vehicle. It is constructed as a trailer that is towed behind the EV, just like an ordinary utility trailer. Through the use of electronic controls, I am able to operate the ignition, starter, and throttle in the trailer from the driver's position in my electric car. To use the trailer, I start the engine, open the throttle, and the diesel engine in the trailer drives the EV forward through ground traction provided by the front-wheel-drive train in the trailer. Usually, the electric drive system in the EV is used to help the EV/pusher combination up to speed. Once highway speed is attained, I have several operating modes, some of which are capable of either preventing the batteries from being discharged during driving, or even recharged as the trip progresses. Using the pusher trailer, I can cruise at 65 MPH continuously, and have kicked the speed up to 75 MPH briefly for passing. Further tests may show that higher speeds are possible. Range is limited only by the availability of diesel fuel, which is pretty common these days. http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/yohn Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
DEFRA, the new name for MAFF, in England and Wales are looking for new crops for industrial use, such as biofuels. What is the botanical name for chokecherries. Can they be grown in the UK. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2003 09:13 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops to make more money, the money will either goes to imported oil or goes to the farmers. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
I think this answers the question of why farmers are not interested in growing these amazing yielding crops. Shrub does not bear any fruit for a number of years and grows to 20 foot tall. A farmer will want to harvest his crops with combine harvester or similar machinery he already has. Whilst it is possible to make a machine to harvest crops on bushes or trees they are specialist machines and very expensive, and only for very high value crops. Grapes, tea, etc. Who is going to pay the farmer while he waits for his chokeberries to start yielding when he has put huge sums of money into planting them. Rob -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2003 11:22 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England we have choke cherry trees 20' tall growing in a sandy area 5 miles from the nearest stream, and 300 feet above the nearest water. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Chokecherries are a shrub. Takes a few years before they would bear fruit. Also I don't know any nursery that sells them. They grow wild in ravines. That means they need more water than the average field. Lots of chokecheeries near streams. Not as near as willows but close. Kirk -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? [message truncated] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
The reasons are many: The markets are probably not in place The processing is not in place Farmers have the equipment and knowledge to grow and harvest corn, wheat soya etc. They will not commit their large farms to a crop which they do not know how to grow, harvest and sell. The claims for yields are probably based on research with trial plots and the yields from growing them in real conditions with pests and diseases that will get bigger as the crops get bigger are much lower. I'll take the example of hemp grown in the UK - it is a wonder crop, amazing yield, needs little fertiliser and chemicals as it grows so fast. Amazing tough fibre, seed can be used for biodiesel etc. But how much is grown. Around 2500 ha. even with a subsidy of around £500/ha. Why - because it is a bastard to harvest and the yields are much lower than the researchers quote, and hence the returns are lower. There is a small demand for it but a UK company has been working very hard for years to promote the crop, and their main market was/is the hurds used for horse bedding. What are chokeberries. Is it April 1st. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2003 11:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England They do. More oil per acre than African oil palms, apparently, and a LOT of pulp for ethanol - and they smell nice too? Bonus. The bees prolly love 'em. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:14 AM, kirk wrote: I don't think of chokecherries as bearing much. The blossoms are one of the lovliest scents in the world. Truly exquisite. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Pallet Repair Reuse
Keith Can you suggest a bookseller who will do mail order to England. Thanks Norris -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 December 2002 06:57 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Pallet Repair Reuse Sustaining Businesses Jobs through Pallet Repair Reuse by Brenda Platt and Jennifer Hyde 1997, 28 pages - $15.00 ISBN 0-917582-94-2, LC 97-1335 While pallet repair businesses are becoming more common, many pallets are still discarded without repair or salvage. This report lists 31 pallet reuse businesses interested in expanding, and documents jobs through pallet recovery. Profiles of five enterprises detail sources of pallets, repair equipment and process, and more. An appendix lists 193 pallet recovery facilities. View Introduction http://www.ilsr.org/recycling/palletreport.pdf Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Veg oils as chainsaw bar oil was Re: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth
I thought all food grade svo had been degummed. Could you give more info about any gums left and how to remove them etc. Norris -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 02:13 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Veg oils as chainsaw bar oil was Re: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth You'll want to make sure that the oil has been degummed (lecithin gums removed). That's a tuff one to insure even with SVO. Even most of the distributors of fryer oils to restaurants are clueless as to whether or not the oil is degummed. The stuff is murder on deep fat fryers. Lecithin, while in light doses can behave as a mold release or lubricant, tends to congeal at moderate to high temperatures and build up over time. Most people have seen the end result of lecithin exposed to higher temps on their kitchen bakeware. The same would occur on a chainsaw bar in the areas most prone to heat buildup. Doesn't mean the oil can't be used, just that the bar will have to be monitored tacky gum residue and possibly cleaned with greater frequency. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: T. Gray Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth Thanks for the tip about using veggie oil as bar oil, Hakan. I'm gonna try that. I bet you could use coarsely filtered WVO. Fungi Perfecti (http://www.fungi.com/) in Olympia, WA sells spore-inoculated bar oil, one for softwoods and one for hardwoods. Saves a step when you're gonna grow culinary shrooms on logs. - Gray Apart from running 2-stroke engines on mix of ethanol/veg oil, the chain saw is a different thing. For some decades now, I use veg oil for lubricating the saw blade. In Sweden, it is now a standard to do that and almost all do it. When you buy a chain saw they recommend it now. From a pollution point this is very important, since the blade lubrication goes directly to the surrounding earth. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
