Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: Global warming & Sportsters]

2007-01-12 Thread Keith Addison
'Lo Weaver

What a load of bollocks. Pardon me, but it's a little hard to find 
something he didn't get wrong. Regarding substantiation of that (a) 
please see the archives and (b) citing "A climatologist I heard 
(don't recall his name, but he's well respected in his field) said 
that..." doesn't quite cut it, or not here anyway. Who, Fred Singer? 
Oh - he got the overpopulation myth right, more or less, though 
probably for the wrong reasons, but not the starvation bit, no 
shortage in view of starving people, including in India (and the US).

"... the air and water are cleaner" - than when?

Um, lots of good vineyards in England. Some English organic wines:
http://www.vinceremos.co.uk/mall/departmentpage.cfm/VinceremosWines/69062/1/1

Dream on.

Best

Keith


>Interesting cross-post from another list...
>
>-Weaver
>
> Original Message 
>Subject:   Re: Global warming & Sportsters
>Resent-Date:   Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:34:24 -0500 (EST)
>Resent-From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:34:11 -0600
>From:  David Broadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:Robert Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>Robert,
>
>I also drive a Honda. We use some of the "curly fries" bulbs, too, for the
>same reason you do.
>
>A climatologist I heard (don't recall his name, but he's well respected in
>his field) said that at the equator the temperatures will not really change.
>As you go toward the poles the temps will increase, with the poles averaging
>3-4 degrees higher than now. Houston and Wichita Falls are only going to see
>a small amount of that increase. I doubt our electric usage will increase
>dramatically in the summer. The comment on British wine was based upon fact.
>In the first millennium AD the Roman Empire, before it withdrew, imported
>wine from Britain, and it was considered good. Wine grapes are not able to
>grow in the UK now because the weather has been too cool. Since there were
>far fewer people then, not to mention livestock polluting through flatulence
>and the selfish Americans polluting by driving SUVs, this is one indication
>that the earth goes through temperature cycles. According to that
>climatologist, about every 1400-1500 years.
>
>We survived without kilometers just fine. Remember having to clean your
>plate because of the starving children in India? Today there are twice as
>many Indians and they pretty much feed themselves, so the population control
>crowd of revered scientists were wrong there. Same with the eminent ice age
>coming in the 70s.
>
>The point is the air and water are cleaner, and we puny people actually do
>very little that could destroy the earth. We can, however, destroy our
>economy with overblown theories for no good reason. Ride the bikes and enjoy
>life.
>
>David
>
>On 1/11/07 7:11 PM, "Robert Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I have two new clean burning Honda Automobiles. One is an ULEV (Ultra Low
> > Emission Vehicle), the other is a LEV with 240hp and I love it.  So far I
> > think I am doing my part.  Then, the wife insists on recycling the aluminum
> > cans out by the street for the trash man, that's just fine as long as she
> > does it.  I have filled all of the light sockets in my home with those
> > fluorescent ones that look like curly fries.  Not because they are cheap on
> > power, because I only change them every 8 years (or that's what the package
> > says).  OK.. I still think I'm doing my part.
> >
> > David Wrote-->
> >
> >> I don't worry much about whether the average temperature at the South Pole
> >> goes up from 30 below to 27 below.
> >
> > David I'm just thinking that if the South Pole warms from -30 to -27 then
> > there is somewhere that will warm from +31 to +34.   in the Houston
>summer the
>electric bill would from $600 to
> > $700.  I am not a big fan of the global warming electric cooling bill in
> > Houston.  I would move to Wisconsin but it is too far to drive every
> > morning.
> >
> >> Man adds about 3 1/2% of all greenhouse gases released into the
> >> atmosphere,
> >> nature adding the rest. That's really a small percentage.
> >
> > David you have a good point. Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines did a number
> > on the Earth in releasing greenhouse gases in 1991 and 1994.
> >
> >> Remember that 30-40 years ago we were about to enter an ice age, according
> >> to the leading (whacky) scientists of the day, and 40-50 years ago they
> >> said
> >> if we didn't control the population everybody was going to die of
> >> starvation.
> >
> > I also remember (when I was 8 years old) that if we don't learn and use the
> > metric system we will all die, or something like that.


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[Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: Global warming & Sportsters]

2007-01-12 Thread Mike Weaver
Interesting cross-post from another list...

-Weaver

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: Global warming & Sportsters
Resent-Date:Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:34:24 -0500 (EST)
Resent-From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:34:11 -0600
From:   David Broadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Robert Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Robert,

I also drive a Honda. We use some of the "curly fries" bulbs, too, for the
same reason you do.

A climatologist I heard (don't recall his name, but he's well respected in
his field) said that at the equator the temperatures will not really change.
As you go toward the poles the temps will increase, with the poles averaging
3-4 degrees higher than now. Houston and Wichita Falls are only going to see
a small amount of that increase. I doubt our electric usage will increase
dramatically in the summer. The comment on British wine was based upon fact.
In the first millennium AD the Roman Empire, before it withdrew, imported
wine from Britain, and it was considered good. Wine grapes are not able to
grow in the UK now because the weather has been too cool. Since there were
far fewer people then, not to mention livestock polluting through flatulence
and the selfish Americans polluting by driving SUVs, this is one indication
that the earth goes through temperature cycles. According to that
climatologist, about every 1400-1500 years.

We survived without kilometers just fine. Remember having to clean your
plate because of the starving children in India? Today there are twice as
many Indians and they pretty much feed themselves, so the population control
crowd of revered scientists were wrong there. Same with the eminent ice age
coming in the 70s.

The point is the air and water are cleaner, and we puny people actually do
very little that could destroy the earth. We can, however, destroy our
economy with overblown theories for no good reason. Ride the bikes and enjoy
life.

David

On 1/11/07 7:11 PM, "Robert Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have two new clean burning Honda Automobiles. One is an ULEV (Ultra Low
> Emission Vehicle), the other is a LEV with 240hp and I love it.  So far I
> think I am doing my part.  Then, the wife insists on recycling the aluminum
> cans out by the street for the trash man, that's just fine as long as she
> does it.  I have filled all of the light sockets in my home with those
> fluorescent ones that look like curly fries.  Not because they are cheap on
> power, because I only change them every 8 years (or that's what the package
> says).  OK.. I still think I'm doing my part.
>
> David Wrote-->
>
>> I don't worry much about whether the average temperature at the South Pole
>> goes up from 30 below to 27 below.
>
> David I'm just thinking that if the South Pole warms from -30 to -27 then
> there is somewhere that will warm from +31 to +34.   in the Houston
summer the
electric bill would from $600 to
> $700.  I am not a big fan of the global warming electric cooling bill in
> Houston.  I would move to Wisconsin but it is too far to drive every
> morning.
>
>> Man adds about 3 1/2% of all greenhouse gases released into the
>> atmosphere,
>> nature adding the rest. That's really a small percentage.
>
> David you have a good point. Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines did a number
> on the Earth in releasing greenhouse gases in 1991 and 1994.
>
>> Remember that 30-40 years ago we were about to enter an ice age, according
>> to the leading (whacky) scientists of the day, and 40-50 years ago they
>> said
>> if we didn't control the population everybody was going to die of
>> starvation.
>
> I also remember (when I was 8 years old) that if we don't learn and use the
> metric system we will all die, or something like that.




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