Re: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid
I get it at the hrdware store or the auto parts store Bobby Clark wrote: Anyone, can you answer my question? Bobby From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:31 -0400 I know now I can use phosphoric acid to separate out a crude glycerine product. Where can I get phosphoric acid? Also, for those who do the two stage acid/base process, where can I get sulfuric acid? Down the road, I want to switch to this process, but I will have to make a new processor, the sulfuric acid would probably eat the plumbing in my current processor. Thanks for all of your help! Bobby _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo005002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid
What product names are these acids under? From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:56:05 -0500 I get it at the hrdware store or the auto parts store Bobby Clark wrote: Anyone, can you answer my question? Bobby From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:31 -0400 I know now I can use phosphoric acid to separate out a crude glycerine product. Where can I get phosphoric acid? Also, for those who do the two stage acid/base process, where can I get sulfuric acid? Down the road, I want to switch to this process, but I will have to make a new processor, the sulfuric acid would probably eat the plumbing in my current processor. Thanks for all of your help! Bobby _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo005002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid
Anyone, can you answer my question? Bobby From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:31 -0400 I know now I can use phosphoric acid to separate out a crude glycerine product. Where can I get phosphoric acid? Also, for those who do the two stage acid/base process, where can I get sulfuric acid? Down the road, I want to switch to this process, but I will have to make a new processor, the sulfuric acid would probably eat the plumbing in my current processor. Thanks for all of your help! Bobby _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo005002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Phosphoric acid
On Oct 28, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Bobby Clark wrote: Anyone, can you answer my question? Try a wholesaler of nursery chemicals -- fertilizers, agricultural lime, etc. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Phosphoric acid
I know now I can use phosphoric acid to separate out a crude glycerine product. Where can I get phosphoric acid? Also, for those who do the two stage acid/base process, where can I get sulfuric acid? Down the road, I want to switch to this process, but I will have to make a new processor, the sulfuric acid would probably eat the plumbing in my current processor. Thanks for all of your help! Bobby _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Phosphoric Acid in First Wash
Todd, In a reply re: washing BD you suggested adding a small amount of phosphoric acid to the first wash. (0.20 ml 85% phosphoric acid/L of BD). The results on a recent batch were impressive. I stir wash 76L (20 gal) batches. I usually go easy on the first wash and allow it to settle overnight. Second, third and fourth washes get buzzed pretty good. I allow 2nd and 3rd to settle 2 - 3 hrs. and the 4th overnight. After adding 15 ml of 85% phosphoric acid to the first wash water, the mix separated cleanly in an hour or less. I also achieved clear water after only three washes ... a first for me. Your suggestion saves me time, energy and water. Thanks, Tom - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash Thomas, Bubble washing prolly won't condemn your fuel. But it does degrade it. Whether you use tiny bubbles... for a long duration or short bursts of compressed air, do you really think that there is less air contact with the fuel in the end run? On either wash type, you might try adding around 0.20 milliliters of 85% phosphoric acid to the wash water. This will allow more of the base soaps to come out in the first wash, reducing your overall wash number/volume. Todd Swearingen Thomas, That's 0.20 ml per liter of fuel to be washed. Adjust as needed to bring the wash water to neutral, which means toy with it. Doing this in the first wash will yield remarkable improvements in any subsequent wash. Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [biofuel] phosphoric acid in Foolproof method
simonswb6 wrote: In Aleks Foolproof method, step 18 recommends using %25 of the total glycerine and mix with 10% phosphoric acid. Can you use other types of acids for this? how about citric or sulfuric? i have seen these mentioned when doing the bubble wash? Should you use the same acid when doing the bubble wash as what was used in step 18? step 18 *** 18. For easier washing: Drain off the glycerine. Measure off 25% of the total glycerine (including previously drained glycerine if you followed step 15) and mix with 10 milliliters of 10% phosphoric acid (H3PO4) for each litre of oil/fat processed. The mixing can be done with a wooden spoon in a plastic container. Pour the acidified glycerine back into the reactor and stir for 20 minutes, unheated. Allow to settle for at least six hours and then drain the glycerine fraction completely. Both Step 15 and Step 18 are optional, not essential. You could try it without those steps first, if you have problems then include them. Aleks advises: A 10% citric solution should be fine, but avoid sulphuric acid, as it is too dissociated. You could also use HCl, also in a 10% solution. I'd stick with the same acid in the bubblewash, but note that there's controversy over using any acid in the wash. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html Bubble washing - Washing problems - Using acid There are several pages there on washing, all linked from this one above, I suggest you give them a thorough read and then make up your mind. Note also that you don't have to wash biodiesel made by the Foolproof method any special way. That's how Aleks does it, and that's fine, but once it's settled and the by-product (glycerine) layer at the bottom removed, biodiesel is biodiesel and washing it is washing it, no matter what process you used. So you can decide for yourself what's best for you. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] phosphoric acid in Foolproof method
In Aleks Foolproof method, step 18 recommends using %25 of the total glycerine and mix with 10% phosphoric acid. Can you use other types of acids for this? how about citric or sulfuric? i have seen these mentioned when doing the bubble wash? Should you use the same acid when doing the bubble wash as what was used in step 18? step 18 *** 18. For easier washing: Drain off the glycerine. Measure off 25% of the total glycerine (including previously drained glycerine if you followed step 15) and mix with 10 milliliters of 10% phosphoric acid (H3PO4) for each litre of oil/fat processed. The mixing can be done with a wooden spoon in a plastic container. Pour the acidified glycerine back into the reactor and stir for 20 minutes, unheated. Allow to settle for at least six hours and then drain the glycerine fraction completely. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
