Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Jason, Thank you for the info, I have read and contacted them. The price is about $20 / gallon I tried to get some info on the components of it, but they could not release any. Because of the high price I would like to make mine based on Biodiesel. WE are machining soft steel with low speed cutting tools, so it is not a problem if the performance drops with some percentage. So far I found no real sloution for adding sulfur to it. We think that is the secret ingredient in cutting oils. András Tonomár TONO-Invest KFT H-9200 Mosonmagyaróvár Alkotmány u. 3. +36 96 / 215 - 426 +36 20 / 926 - 7180 (mobil) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining > i had a hunch that this was not a new concept, and went looking. > > http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/489267/rss/3461 > > Cutting Oil features vegetable-based formula. > > August 15, 2006 - Derived from renewable raw materials, Vascomill 22 > generates minimal mist, vapor, or smoke during use in CNC machinery > performing operations with tough materials such as stainless steels, > titanium, high-temperature alloys, and beryllium copper. Formula helps > extend tool life and lubricity while promoting skin compatibility for > operators. While universal for most operations and materials, oil can also > be used in medical industry applications. > > > > > Press Release > Release date: July 12, 2006 > > > Blaser Swisslube Announces Vascomill 22 Vegetable Cutting Oil > > > > GOSHEN, N.Y. - Blaser Swisslube Inc., premier supplier of world-class, > Swiss-quality metalworking fluids, announces Vascomill 22 cutting oil. > Vascomill 22 straight vegetable-based oil is universal for most operations > and materials and offers superior cutting performance and lubricating > properties in metal removal operations from low to high cutting speeds. > Vascomill 22 was specially designed to achieve first-rate performance on > tough materials when end users need exceptional surface finish, tool life > and lubricity. These properties make Vascomill 22 ideal for medical industry > applications as well. > > Vascomill 22 provides the ultimate in cutting performance for CNC machinery, > including Swiss-automatic lathes and in operations machining tough materials > such as stainless steels, titanium, high temperature alloys and beryllium > copper. The flash point for Vascomill 22 is very high for the viscosity, and > the product generates minimal mist, vapor or smoke formation during use. > Vascomill 22 ensures better skin compatibility for operators compared to > mineral oil-based products with large amounts of additives. Vascomill 22 is > derived from renewable raw materials. > > Founded in 1936, Blaser Swisslube Inc. has created lubrication solutions for > 70 years. Blaser metal working fluids are recognized world wide for > dependability in improving tool life, production and part quality while > reducing overall production costs. Blaser products are developed by a team > of researchers at the Blaser headquarters in Switzerland, and U.S. > production is based in Goshen, N.Y. For more information about Blaser please > visit http://www.blaser.com. > > Jason > ICQ#: 154998177 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: JAMES PHELPS > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant > andlubricatinginsteelmachining > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
i had a hunch that this was not a new concept, and went looking. http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/489267/rss/3461 Cutting Oil features vegetable-based formula. August 15, 2006 - Derived from renewable raw materials, Vascomill 22 generates minimal mist, vapor, or smoke during use in CNC machinery performing operations with tough materials such as stainless steels, titanium, high-temperature alloys, and beryllium copper. Formula helps extend tool life and lubricity while promoting skin compatibility for operators. While universal for most operations and materials, oil can also be used in medical industry applications. Press Release Release date: July 12, 2006 Blaser Swisslube Announces Vascomill 22 Vegetable Cutting Oil GOSHEN, N.Y. - Blaser Swisslube Inc., premier supplier of world-class, Swiss-quality metalworking fluids, announces Vascomill 22 cutting oil. Vascomill 22 straight vegetable-based oil is universal for most operations and materials and offers superior cutting performance and lubricating properties in metal removal operations from low to high cutting speeds. Vascomill 22 was specially designed to achieve first-rate performance on tough materials when end users need exceptional surface finish, tool life and lubricity. These properties make Vascomill 22 ideal for medical industry applications as well. Vascomill 22 provides the ultimate in cutting performance for CNC machinery, including Swiss-automatic lathes and in operations machining tough materials such as stainless steels, titanium, high temperature alloys and beryllium copper. The flash point for Vascomill 22 is very high for the viscosity, and the product generates minimal mist, vapor or smoke formation during use. Vascomill 22 ensures better skin compatibility for operators compared to mineral oil-based products with large amounts of additives. Vascomill 22 is derived from renewable raw materials. Founded in 1936, Blaser Swisslube Inc. has created lubrication solutions for 70 years. Blaser metal working fluids are recognized world wide for dependability in improving tool life, production and part quality while reducing overall production costs. Blaser products are developed by a team of researchers at the Blaser headquarters in Switzerland, and U.S. production is based in Goshen, N.Y. For more information about Blaser please visit http://www.blaser.com. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Andrew it is the free patent to make Sulfer Lard using animal fat. It is
for a chemist to figure out how to get sulfer into fat so it can be mixed with
host oils that lubricate and cool. Again the sulfur gets the tool to
"bite". At least as I understand it.
- Original Message -
From: Tonomár András
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:00
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Hello,
Thank you for your experiment Bob, looks like it can not
be disolved in BD in Elementar format
I will do my experiment for BD as an additive to cutting
oil in diff. percentage, and see
what the result will be.
JIM: in this link I dont know what that material is. is
it to act as a catalyst? to disolve sulfur?
Is there any common name for it, and can someone brew at
home?
reg.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From:
JAMES PHELPS
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:10
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
The sulfur used is trade name "sulfer lard" I am thinking that the
mineral oil is the carrier. the cutting oil is by composition - sulfur
(unknown if it is elemental or organic compound), mineral oil and an
additive to supply a high lubricity.
Jim
- Original Message -
From: bob allen
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into
solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room
temp. bob allen wrote:> I put one gram of
sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and >
heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is
> soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel.
>>> Tonomár András wrote:>
>> I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found
no trace>> of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it
industrial secret)>>>> WOuld be nive if you could find
out something about sulfur dissolving>> Thank you in
advance>>>> Kind reg.>>
Andrew>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant>>
andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>> I don't
know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in>>
non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I
suspect>> it would have some solubility in
biodiesel. Probably all you would>> need to do is
get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the>>
biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming
that>> when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur
rather than sulfur>> present in another form. If I
get time this afternoon I'll give it a>> try. stay
tuned.>>>> Another point, if "sulfurated"
biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated">> vegetable oil work just
as well?>>>>
>> >>> I would but I don't
do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put>>>
sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this
question?>>>>>>
Jim>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>
From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant>>>>
andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006
11:20:31 +0100>>>>>>>>
James,>>>>>>>> Thank you for your
reply.>>>> Do you know how can I add
sulfur?>>>> What was your final conclusion with the
experiment?>>>> Do you still use it or
not?>>>>>>>> Thanks>>>>
Andrew>>>>>>>>>>>> -
Original Message ->>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM>>>> Subject:
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and>>>>
lubricatingins
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Hello,
Thank you for your experiment Bob, looks like it can not
be disolved in BD in Elementar format
I will do my experiment for BD as an additive to cutting
oil in diff. percentage, and see
what the result will be.
JIM: in this link I dont know what that material is. is it
to act as a catalyst? to disolve sulfur?
Is there any common name for it, and can someone brew at
home?
reg.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From:
JAMES PHELPS
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:10
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
The sulfur used is trade name "sulfer lard" I am thinking that the
mineral oil is the carrier. the cutting oil is by composition - sulfur
(unknown if it is elemental or organic compound), mineral oil and an additive
to supply a high lubricity.
Jim
- Original Message -
From: bob allen
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into
solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room
temp. bob allen wrote:> I put one gram of
sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and > heated.
some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is >
soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel.
>>> Tonomár András wrote:>
>> I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no
trace>> of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it
industrial secret)>>>> WOuld be nive if you could find
out something about sulfur dissolving>> Thank you in
advance>>>> Kind reg.>>
Andrew>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant>>
andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>> I don't
know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in>>
non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I
suspect>> it would have some solubility in biodiesel.
Probably all you would>> need to do is get some elemental sulfur ,
a yellow powder , add to the>> biodiesel and heat it up to see if
it dissolves. This is assuming that>> when someone says sulfur,
they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur>> present in
another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a>>
try. stay tuned.>>>> Another point, if
"sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated">>
vegetable oil work just as well?>>>>
>> >>> I would but I don't do
enough to matter. I am not sure how they put>>> sulfer
into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this
question?>>>>>>
Jim>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>
From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant>>>>
andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006
11:20:31 +0100>>>>>>>>
James,>>>>>>>> Thank you for your
reply.>>>> Do you know how can I add
sulfur?>>>> What was your final conclusion with the
experiment?>>>> Do you still use it or
not?>>>>>>>> Thanks>>>>
Andrew>>>>>>>>>>>> -
Original Message ->>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> To:
<biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM>>>> Subject: Re:
[Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and>>>>
lubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good
cut. Thats
the>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
magic>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ingreadient to cutting
oils.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>>>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>>
To: <biof
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
The sulfur used is trade name "sulfer lard" I am thinking that the mineral oil is the carrier. the cutting oil is by composition - sulfur (unknown if it is elemental or organic compound), mineral oil and an additive to supply a high lubricity. Jim - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp. bob allen wrote:> I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and > heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is > soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. >>> Tonomár András wrote:> >> I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace>> of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret)>>>> WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving>> Thank you in advance>>>> Kind reg.>> Andrew>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>> I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in>> non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect>> it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would>> need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the>> biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that>> when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur>> present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a>> try. stay tuned.>>>> Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated">> vegetable oil work just as well?>>>> >> >>> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put>>> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question?>>>>>> Jim>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant>>>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100>>>>>>>> James,>>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply.>>>> Do you know how can I add sulfur?>>>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment?>>>> Do you still use it or not?>>>>>>>> Thanks>>>> Andrew>>>>>>>>>>>> - Original Message ->>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and>>>> lubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the>>>>> >>>>> >>>> magic>>>> >>>> >>>>> ingreadient to cutting oils.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating>>>>>> insteelmachining>>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700>>>>>>>>>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> some>>>> for>>>> >>>> >>>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't'>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> have a>>>> >>>> >>&g
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
see also http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4166795.html Jim - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp. bob allen wrote:> I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and > heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is > soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. >>> Tonomár András wrote:> >> I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace>> of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret)>>>> WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving>> Thank you in advance>>>> Kind reg.>> Andrew>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>> I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in>> non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect>> it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would>> need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the>> biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that>> when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur>> present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a>> try. stay tuned.>>>> Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated">> vegetable oil work just as well?>>>> >> >>> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put>>> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question?>>>>>> Jim>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant>>>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100>>>>>>>> James,>>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply.>>>> Do you know how can I add sulfur?>>>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment?>>>> Do you still use it or not?>>>>>>>> Thanks>>>> Andrew>>>>>>>>>>>> - Original Message ->>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and>>>> lubricatinginsteelmachining>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the>>>>> >>>>> >>>> magic>>>> >>>> >>>>> ingreadient to cutting oils.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating>>>>>> insteelmachining>>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700>>>>>>>>>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> some>>>> for>>>> >>>> >>>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't'>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> have a>>>> >>>> >>>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> cutting oil>&
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp. bob allen wrote: > I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and > heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is > soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. > > > Tonomár András wrote: > >> I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace >> of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) >> >> WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving >> Thank you in advance >> >> Kind reg. >> Andrew >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant >> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >> >> >> I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in >> non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect >> it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would >> need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the >> biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that >> when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur >> present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a >> try. stay tuned. >> >> Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" >> vegetable oil work just as well? >> >> >> >>> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put >>> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >>>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >>>> >>>> James, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your reply. >>>> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >>>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >>>> Do you still use it or not? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >>>> lubricatinginsteelmachining >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> magic >>>> >>>> >>>>> ingreadient to cutting oils. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >>>>>> insteelmachining >>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >>>>>> >>>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> some >>>> for >>>> >>>> >>>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> have a >>>> >>>> >>>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> cutting oil >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> guide >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Tonomár András<mailt
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
of equal importance is the form of the sulfur. Is it elemental ie, just sulfur atoms all by themselves, or is the sulfur present as an organosulfur compound. or even present as a metal sulfide salt? JAMES PHELPS wrote: > Bob, Andrew, > > I will investigate the percentage of sulfer in cutting oil and get > back to you, stay tuned. > > Jim > > >> From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant >> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600 >> >> I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and >> heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is >> soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. >> >> >> Tonomár András wrote: >> > I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace >> > of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial >> secret) >> > >> > WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving >> > Thank you in advance >> > >> > Kind reg. >> > Andrew >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant >> > andlubricatinginsteelmachining >> > >> > >> > I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in >> > non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect >> > it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would >> > need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the >> > biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that >> > when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than >> sulfur >> > present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a >> > try. stay tuned. >> > >> > Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" >> > vegetable oil work just as well? >> > >> > >> >> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put >> >> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>> To: >> >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >> >>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >> >>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >> >>> >> >>> James, >> >>> >> >>> Thank you for your reply. >> >>> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >> >>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >> >>> Do you still use it or not? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> Andrew >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> - Original Message - >> >>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> To: >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >> >>> lubricatinginsteelmachining >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >> >>>> >> >>> magic >> >>> >> >>>> ingreadient to cutting oils. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>>>> To: >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >> >>>>> insteelmachining >> >>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >> >>>>> >> >>> some >> >>> for >> >>> >> >>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >> >>>>> >> >>> have a >> >>> >> >>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on yo
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Andrew, I would purchase a gallon of mineral Oil mix 50% with Biodiesel and sturate with elemental sulfer. Try this mix and let me know how it works. It should work good on carbon steels. Jim From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:41:54 -0700 Bob, Andrew, I will investigate the percentage of sulfer in cutting oil and get back to you, stay tuned. Jim From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600 I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: > I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace > of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) > > WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving > Thank you in advance > > Kind reg. > Andrew > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant > andlubricatinginsteelmachining > > > I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in > non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect > it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would > need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the > biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that > when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur > present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a > try. stay tuned. > > Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" > vegetable oil work just as well? > > >> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put >> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? >> >> Jim >> >> >> >>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >>> >>> James, >>> >>> Thank you for your reply. >>> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >>> Do you still use it or not? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >>> lubricatinginsteelmachining >>> >>> >>> >>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >>>> >>> magic >>> >>>> ingreadient to cutting oils. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >>>>> insteelmachining >>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >>>>> >>> some >>> for >>> >>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >>>>> >>> have a >>> >>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your >>>>> >>> cutting oil >>> >>>>> and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >>>>> >>> guide >>> >>>>> that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: >>>>> >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM >>>>> Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in >>>>> stee
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Bob, Andrew, I will investigate the percentage of sulfer in cutting oil and get back to you, stay tuned. Jim From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600 I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: > I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace > of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) > > WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving > Thank you in advance > > Kind reg. > Andrew > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant > andlubricatinginsteelmachining > > > I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in > non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect > it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would > need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the > biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that > when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur > present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a > try. stay tuned. > > Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" > vegetable oil work just as well? > > >> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put >> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? >> >> Jim >> >> >> >>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >>> >>> James, >>> >>> Thank you for your reply. >>> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >>> Do you still use it or not? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >>> lubricatinginsteelmachining >>> >>> >>> >>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >>>> >>> magic >>> >>>> ingreadient to cutting oils. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >>>>> insteelmachining >>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >>>>> >>> some >>> for >>> >>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >>>>> >>> have a >>> >>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your >>>>> >>> cutting oil >>> >>>>> and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >>>>> >>> guide >>> >>>>> that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: >>>>> >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM >>>>> Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in >>>>> steelmachining >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear list members, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as >>>>> >>> coolant >>> >>>>> and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( >>>>> >>> $21 / >>> >>>>> gallon ). My company operates 8 a
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: > I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace > of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) > > WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving > Thank you in advance > > Kind reg. > Andrew > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant > andlubricatinginsteelmachining > > > I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in > non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect > it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would > need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the > biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that > when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur > present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a > try. stay tuned. > > Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" > vegetable oil work just as well? > > >> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put >> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? >> >> Jim >> >> >> >>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >>> >>> James, >>> >>> Thank you for your reply. >>> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >>> Do you still use it or not? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >>> lubricatinginsteelmachining >>> >>> >>> >>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >>>> >>> magic >>> >>>> ingreadient to cutting oils. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >>>>> insteelmachining >>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >>>>> >>> some >>> for >>> >>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >>>>> >>> have a >>> >>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your >>>>> >>> cutting oil >>> >>>>> and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >>>>> >>> guide >>> >>>>> that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: >>>>> >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM >>>>> Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in >>>>> steelmachining >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear list members, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as >>>>> >>> coolant >>> >>>>> and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( >>>>> >>> $21 / >>> >>>>> gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. >>>>> >>> We are >>> >>>>> machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" vegetable oil work just as well? > I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put > sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? > > Jim > > >> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >> >> James, >> >> Thank you for your reply. >> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >> Do you still use it or not? >> >> Thanks >> Andrew >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >> lubricatinginsteelmachining >> >> >> > Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >> magic >> > ingreadient to cutting oils. >> > >> > >> > >From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > >To: >> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >> > >insteelmachining >> > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >> > > >> > >It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >> some >> for >> > >this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >> have a >> > >regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your >> cutting oil >> > >and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >> guide >> > >that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM >> > > Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in >> > >steelmachining >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear list members, >> > > >> > > Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as >> coolant >> > >and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( >> $21 / >> > >gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. >> We are >> > >machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid >> steel >> > >and normal HSS drills >> > > >> > > My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my >> thoughts >> are >> > >on biodiesel. >> > > >> > > We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have >> some >> > >info in advance. >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > Andrew >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Biofuel mailing list >> > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > > >> > >> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> > > >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > > >> > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > >messages): >> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelist
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
I think Sulfer is what gives it the "bite" so to speak the oil then acts as a coolant and lubricates the chip so that it cleanly escapes the cutting area without gauling the surface. This may be why its so expensive. From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:10:53 -0600 does it have to be sulphur? what about graphite powder? not as smelly and wont be a problem if it gets spilled. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining >I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer > into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? > > Jim > > >>From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >>andlubricatinginsteelmachining >>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >> >>James, >> >>Thank you for your reply. >>Do you know how can I add sulfur? >>What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >>Do you still use it or not? >> >>Thanks >>Andrew >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >>lubricatinginsteelmachining >> >> >> > Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic >> > ingreadient to cutting oils. >> > >> > >> > >From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > >To: >> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >> > >insteelmachining >> > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >> > > >> > >It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >> > >some >>for >> > >this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have >>a >> > >regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting >>oil >> > >and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >> > >guide >> > >that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM >> > > Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in >> > >steelmachining >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear list members, >> > > >> > > Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as >>coolant >> > >and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 >>/ >> > >gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We >>are >> > >machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid >>steel >> > >and normal HSS drills >> > > >> > > My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my >> > > thoughts >>are >> > >on biodiesel. >> > > >> > > We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have >> > > some >> > >info in advance. >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > Andrew >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Biofuel mailing list >> > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > > >> > >> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> > > >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > > >> > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > >messages): >> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > > >> > >> > >> > >___ >> > >Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Thanks Bob, See below, From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:27:08 -0600 I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" vegetable oil work just as well? It may very well work, but I think the Lubricity is also a factor, Is that a property that veg oil would also have? Jim > I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put > sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? > > Jim > > >> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant >> andlubricatinginsteelmachining >> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 >> >> James, >> >> Thank you for your reply. >> Do you know how can I add sulfur? >> What was your final conclusion with the experiment? >> Do you still use it or not? >> >> Thanks >> Andrew >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and >> lubricatinginsteelmachining >> >> >> > Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the >> magic >> > ingreadient to cutting oils. >> > >> > >> > >From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > >To: >> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating >> > >insteelmachining >> > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 >> > > >> > >It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used >> some >> for >> > >this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' >> have a >> > >regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your >> cutting oil >> > >and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a >> guide >> > >that will tell you what modifications you need to make. >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM >> > > Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in >> > >steelmachining >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear list members, >> > > >> > > Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as >> coolant >> > >and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( >> $21 / >> > >gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. >> We are >> > >machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid >> steel >> > >and normal HSS drills >> > > >> > > My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my >> thoughts >> are >> > >on biodiesel. >> > > >> > > We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have >> some >> > >info in advance. >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > Andrew >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Biofuel mailing list >> > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > > >> > >> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> > > >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > > >> > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > >messages): >> > >
