Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Mike, You areoverlooking that Building 7, not hit by any plane, collapsed in the same controlled manner as the towers. Also the momentum energyof the planes would've been spread over a couple hundred feet. The stoppage was not instantaneous. And the towers were designed for impact by large aircraft. Any onboard oxygen, if released, would have been used up in a second. Large steel columns have considerable thermal capacity and conduct heat effectively, spreading it out. No building with a steel frame has ever collapsed, before or since 9/11, from fires, some of which were more intense and lasted much longerthan the ones in the towers, which were relatively short lived and not hot enough to melt steel. There area plethora of unanswered questions, if we wish assume the official government line. See: http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=archive_by_topicLots of more info to mull over. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials oflyingabout 9/11 This is an open question with some new thoughts regarding this topic. I was flying today and just before take off the stewardess was going through the emergency details and when she got to the breathing oxygen part I though of this recent discussion. It dawned on me that there is some oxygen onboard these planes for emergency breathing use in case the plane is depressurized. So now, the question is how much oxygen do they keep on board, and how much, if any effect would it have had on the temperature of the fire once released? Does anyone know? Also, I got to wondering if anyone ever calculated the momentum (mass of the plane times the velocity) of the plane and the instantaneous force of impact as the momentum of the plane went to zero and how much heat that released on impact as the momentum was converted to pure heat energy (it must have been huge), not to mention the mechanical structural damage effects of that energy transfer from the impact made on the building. Although I am not a civil engineer, I know that these buildings are generally designed to handle a wind load of say 125 mph of wind, or air before something starts to give (like the windows at least). However, they are not designed, or even modeled for impacts by XXX tons of an airliner moving at several hundred miles per hour with all the force of impact being concentrated on one small area, or corner of one to two floors of the building. I agree with Doug's comments below about a bounce effect (and any oscillation it caused) plus the changes in the properties of the metals and alloys when exposed to the heat. They must have been major factors in the collapse. Lastly, if there were charges then why didn't the fire set them off right away and collapse the buildings immediately? Mike McGinness lres1 wrote: Just a note, not from an expert. Steel cutting torches operate at a temperature that burns the steel and turns the waste into slag. A lot of small brass and alloy foundries that use small furnaces use Diesel or Kerosene as the source of heat. The amount of heat to destroy the steel and alloy in the towers was only limited by the amount of oxygen available. At the height of the towers the natural movement of wind would have been like a blow torch on all the metals given enough fuel to start with. Several tons of Kerosene + wind + alloys + other combustibles would make the placing of explosives only a marginally required secondary insurance that the towers would fall. There was enough in the planes and the buildings construction materials/furnishings and the fuel tanks to achieve more than what a giant cutting torch would achieve. Think of a Plumbers kerosene blow lamp, now multiply it by the amount of wind and fuel available plus the burning materials mentioned above.Take a look at a vehicle that has burnt. you will notice that the suspension has collapsed due to the annealing of the springs or torsion bars etc. It does not take a real great amount of heat to change the characteristics of metals and alloys.Take away the heating from combustibles from the plane and building. Just the fuel and the heat from the fuel. How much stress in expansion over a few floors in a building of such height can it take? That is a building of such height expands slowly during the day and heat, shrinks during the cool. Given the height of the building this over a 24 hr period would be a significant change in height. If a small amount of boiling water is put into a glass the expansion is not uniform the glass will break. Uniform expansion in structures is an important part in considering
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.htmlhttp://deser etnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of pre-positioned explosives. Now, along with a group that calls itself Scholars for 9/11 Truth, he's upping the ante. We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11, the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad. Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. -- President George W. Bush, Aug. 5, 2004 :-) A Freudian slip or an Orwellian one? One of the big differences between Freud and Orwell is that unlike Freud, Orwell didn't have an American nephew named Edward Bernays, aka The Father of Spin, the antithesis of what Orwell stood for. These days I see more and more US news articles about Orwell and about Bernays too. Best Keith Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. Star Wars space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842http ://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hello Maria, Bob and All, I see what you mean by a chimney effect providing additional air for the fire. The plane's body could add to the heat if it could reach theignition point. I wonder what the ignition point is for the metal used in a airliner. I would think that the chimney effect would dissapate heat from the crash point to the upper floors. Tom From: MARIA BURGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:10:20 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 I'm certainly no "expert" either, but I would presume that charges placed in the middle of the building would initiate structural collapse from the middle. Nothing says you have to put them at the bottom! Cheers! Chris - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 Howdy Tom, I'm no expert but one feature of the towers was rather large unbaffled elevator shafts. get a fire going and you have a considerable chimney effect, also what other materials from the planes and or structures themselves could have contributed to the flame temperature- magnesium for example. once you get a few of the upper floors to fail there was a pancaking effect as the top floors fell through and added to the load on the floors below.wouldn't planted charges caused the structural failure from the bottom up? That's not what I recall from the videos.Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob and all, I think it's in a lot of water supplies. But I have a couple of questions for you that have bothered me for sometime.. How does an oxygen starved kerosene fire melt structural steel? Could such a fire really cause temperature hardened rivits to fail? and so many simultaneously. Tom *From:* bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:15:03 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco?D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante. "We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad." Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "journeytoforever.org" claiming to be http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "journeytoforever.org" claiming to be http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Hi Bob and all, I think it's in a lot of water supplies. But I have a couple of questions for you that have bothered me for sometime.. How does an oxygen starved kerosene fire melt structural steel? Could such a fire really cause temperature hardened rivits to fail? and so many simultaneously. Tom From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:15:03 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco?D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante. "We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad." Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bob"Science is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Bob Allen writes: Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? No. Being a resident of the Salt Lake region at the time (I lived in Southwest Wyoming), I followed this one closely. Jones at Brigham Young University (BYU) in Provo, UT, was very active in dissociating his work from that of Fleischmann and Pons at the nearby University of Utah in Salt Lake City. [Excerpt from Answers.com] In the mid 1980s, Jones and other BYU scientists demonstrated an interesting new effect related to the potential for harnessing energy from cold fusion, now also referred to as muon-catalyzed fusion. The Jones process not to be confused with the Cold fusion research of Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann did not produce excess heat, and therefore did not provide a source of energy. The Jones process, through measurement of charged particles, demonstrated excellent validation that nuclear processes can occur in a relatively simple, room temperature experiment. In the mid 1980s, Jones and other BYU scientists demonstrated an interesting new effect related to the potential for harnessing energy from cold fusion, now also referred to as muon-catalyzed fusion. The Jones process not to be confused with the Cold fusion research of Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann did not produce excess heat, and therefore did not provide a source of energy. The Jones process, through measurement of charged particles, demonstrated excellent validation that nuclear processes can occur in a relatively simple, room temperature experiment. [continues] http://www.answers.com/topic/steven-e-jones ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Sorry, folks, for the doubled excerpt quotation. red faced I wrote: [Excerpt from Answers.com] In the mid 1980s, Jones . In the mid 1980s, Jones . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Is there something in the water in Utah? Probably no more so than in your fair county. One should presume that you have a different perspective on how WTC7 collapsed in the absence of all but minimal fire and no impact? Spontaneous conflagration perhaps? Which is probably a pretty accurate description of what concurrently ignited cutting charges accomplish.. Hm.. Nice videos (WTC7). My grandmother never sliced a cake cleaner. Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? Two separate teams working towards different goals, although the mediums were largely similar. They shared some data but essentially worked independantly. Todd Swearingen bob allen wrote: Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of pre-positioned explosives. Now, along with a group that calls itself Scholars for 9/11 Truth, he's upping the ante. We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11, the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad. Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. Star Wars space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Howdy Tom, I'm no expert but one feature of the towers was rather large unbaffled elevator shafts. get a fire going and you have a considerable chimney effect, also what other materials from the planes and or structures themselves could have contributed to the flame temperature- magnesium for example. once you get a few of the upper floors to fail there was a pancaking effect as the top floors fell through and added to the load on the floors below. wouldn't planted charges caused the structural failure from the bottom up? That's not what I recall from the videos. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob and all, I think it's in a lot of water supplies. But I have a couple of questions for you that have bothered me for sometime.. How does an oxygen starved kerosene fire melt structural steel? Could such a fire really cause temperature hardened rivits to fail? and so many simultaneously. Tom *From:* bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:15:03 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of pre-positioned explosives. Now, along with a group that calls itself Scholars for 9/11 Truth, he's upping the ante. We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11, the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad. Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. Star Wars space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Original query from Bob Allen: Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? Response from Todd Swearingen: Two separate teams working towards different goals, although the mediums were largely similar. They shared some data but essentially worked independantly. Todd's response reminds me of something. The worldwide sensation caused by the Fleischmann and Pons publication by press conference of their beaker-scale, electrochemical supposed *cold fusion* results led the Utah legislature to appropriate a large parcel of support funding for cold fusion research by way of a special research foundation, or something like that. It became a matter of high Utah state pride. As was very reasonable for him to do, Steven Jones did accept a share of this very unexpected source of funding for his research. And as part of the functioning of the Utah cold fusion research foundation, and just as a natural course, there undoubtedly was some sharing of data as pointed out by Todd. -- Jack ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? If Cold Fusion is such a fiasco why has £400 million been spent on buying up C.P. patents. Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I'm certainly no "expert" either, but I would presume that charges placed in the middle of the building would initiate structural collapse from the middle. Nothing says you have to put them at the bottom! Cheers! Chris - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 Howdy Tom, I'm no expert but one feature of the towers was rather large unbaffled elevator shafts. get a fire going and you have a considerable chimney effect, also what other materials from the planes and or structures themselves could have contributed to the flame temperature- magnesium for example. once you get a few of the upper floors to fail there was a pancaking effect as the top floors fell through and added to the load on the floors below.wouldn't planted charges caused the structural failure from the bottom up? That's not what I recall from the videos.Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob and all, I think it's in a lot of water supplies. But I have a couple of questions for you that have bothered me for sometime.. How does an oxygen starved kerosene fire melt structural steel? Could such a fire really cause temperature hardened rivits to fail? and so many simultaneously. Tom *From:* bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:15:03 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante. "We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad." Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "journeytoforever.org" claiming to be http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "journeytoforever.org" claiming to be http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "journeytofore
[Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
See:http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.htmlLast fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante."We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad."Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others.They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known.Avery Wiseman| 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? D. Mindock wrote: See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of pre-positioned explosives. Now, along with a group that calls itself Scholars for 9/11 Truth, he's upping the ante. We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11, the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad. Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others. They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. Star Wars space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known. Avery Wiseman | 03.25.06 - 4:19 pm | # http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13842 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
