Re: [Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow
I did view the NOW program on this topic, Demian is correct Bill Moyers is only the messenger in his Star Tribune article. I wished Moyers would have spoke more on the point that very few members of the mainstream Christian denominations share the radicalism of the Evangelicals, perhaps the subject of another article, I hope so. Doug - Original Message - From: knoton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow : The sad truth is that these crackpot evangelical christians DO believe : the fantasies they have fabricated and they are attempting to remake : America and the world based on those fantasies. : : Let's don't shoot the messenger. : : In addition to being a journalist, Mr. Moyers is/was an ordained : Southern Babtist minister from Texas. I suspect he understands the : perspective of these crackpots better than most. He has not, however, : stated that he himself subscribes to their little fantasy. That THEY do : is the problem. : : Demian : == : From: Legal Eagle abogado at sympatico.ca : : snip One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that : the delusional is no longer marginal. It has come in from the fringe, to : sit in the seat of power in the Oval Office and in Congress. For the : first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of : power inWashington. /snip : : Other than having it right on the delusional no longer being marginal : but front and center Mr Moyers portends to speak of things he knows : little of, or has been coached by someone who has his/her story quite : distorted. As for the so-called Biblical lands bit one would be hard : pressed to find anyone who now lives in the political state of Israel : who actually has semitic blood in them baring the Arabs who also live : there, so therefore any reference to the tie-in with historical Hebrews : is outrageous, contrary to the popular myth commonly believed. So, if : everything hinges upon those who are presently occupying the political : state of Israel as being some sort of legitimate blood heirs to the land : they occupy is starting off with an erratum as a foundation and : therefore anything that follows is also in error. And, of course, this : erratum is the cornerstone of the so-called christians who identify as : christian zionists. The entire foundation of the blind alley they walk : is baseless in Scripture, as is a great percentage of what these ralte : as what the Bible does nad does not say. The information being put forth : is out contextualized and in many cases reversed and out of chronology : with events that are predicted. But then when one starts a foudation off : on a lie how can the building reflects any truth. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5211218.html There Is No Tomorrow By Bill Moyers The Star Tribune Sunday 30 January 2005 One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that the delusional is no longer marginal. It has come in from the fringe, to sit in the seat of power in the Oval Office and in Congress. For the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power in Washington. Theology asserts propositions that cannot be proven true; ideologues hold stoutly to a worldview despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality. When ideology and theology couple, their offspring are not always bad but they are always blind. And there is the danger: voters and politicians alike, oblivious to the facts. Remember James Watt, President Ronald Reagan's first secretary of the interior? My favorite online environmental journal, the ever-engaging Grist, reminded us recently of how James Watt told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. In public testimony he said, after the last tree is felled, Christ will come back. Beltway elites snickered. The press corps didn't know what he was talking about. But James Watt was serious. So were his compatriots out across the country. They are the people who believe the Bible is literally true - one-third of the American electorate, if a recent Gallup poll is accurate. In this past election several million good and decent citizens went to the polls believing in the rapture index. That's right - the rapture index. Google it and you will find that the best-selling books in America today are the 12 volumes of the Left Behind series written by the Christian fundamentalist and religious-right warrior Timothy LaHaye. These true believers subscribe to a fantastical theology concocted in the 19th century by a couple of immigrant preachers who took disparate passages from the Bible and wove them into a narrative that has captivated the imagination of millions of Americans. Its outline is rather simple, if bizarre (the British writer George Monbiot recently did a brilliant dissection of it and I am indebted to him for adding to my own understanding): Once Israel has occupied the rest of its biblical lands, legions of the antichrist will attack it, triggering a final showdown in the valley of Armageddon. As the Jews who have not been converted are burned, the messiah will return for the rapture. True believers will be lifted out of their clothes and transported to Heaven, where, seated next to the right hand of God, they will watch their political and religious opponents suffer plagues of boils, sores, locusts and frogs during the several years of tribulation that follow. I'm not making this up. Like Monbiot, I've read the literature. I've reported on these people, following some of them from Texas to the West Bank. They are sincere, serious and polite as they tell you they feel called to help bring the rapture on as fulfillment of biblical prophecy. That's why they have declared solidarity with Israel and the Jewish settlements and backed up their support with money and volunteers. It's why the invasion of Iraq for them was a warm-up act, predicted in the Book of Revelations where four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be released to slay the third part of man. A war with Islam in the Middle East is not something to be feared but welcomed - an essential conflagration on the road to redemption. The last time I Googled it, the rapture index stood at 144 - just one point below the critical threshold when the whole thing will blow, the son of God will return, the righteous will enter Heaven and sinners will be condemned to eternal hellfire. So what does this mean for public policy and the environment? Go to Grist to read a remarkable work of reporting by the journalist Glenn Scherer - The Road to Environmental Apocalypse. Read it and you will see how millions of Christian fundamentalists may believe that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed - even hastened - as a sign of the coming apocalypse. As Grist makes clear, we're not talking about a handful of fringe lawmakers who hold or are beholden to these beliefs. Nearly half the U.S. Congress before the recent election - 231 legislators in total and more since the election - are backed by the religious right. Forty-five senators and 186 members of the 108th Congress earned 80 to 100 percent approval ratings from the three most influential Christian right advocacy groups. They include Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Assistant Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Conference Chair Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Policy Chair Jon Kyl of Arizona, House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Whip Roy Blunt. The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow
- Original Message - From: knoton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5211218.html There Is No Tomorrow By Bill Moyers The Star Tribune Sunday 30 January 2005 snip One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that the delusional is no longer marginal. It has come in from the fringe, to sit in the seat of power in the Oval Office and in Congress. For the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power inWashington. /snip Other than having it right on the delusional no longer being marginal but fron t and center Mr Moyers portends to speak of things he knows little of, or has been coached by someone who has his/her story quite distorted. As for the so-called Biblical lands bit one would be hard pressed to find anyone who now lives in the political state of Israel who actually has semitic blood in them baring the Arabs who also live there, so therefore any reference to the tie-in with historical Hebrews is outrageous, contrary to the popular myth commonly believed. So, if everything hinges upon those who are presently occupying the political state of Israel as being some sort of legitimate blood heirs to the land they occupy is starting off with an erratum as a foundation and therefore anything that follows is also in error. And, of course, this erratum is the cornerstone of the so-called christians who identify as christian zionists. The entire foundation of the blind alley they walk is baseless in Scripture, as is a great percentage of what these ralte as what the Bible does nad does not say. The information being put forth is out contextualized and in many cases reversed and out of chronology with events that are predicted. But then when one starts a foudation off on a lie how can the building reflects any truth. Luc --- Bill Moyers was host until recently of the weekly public affairs series NOW with Bill Moyers on PBS. This article is adapted from AlterNet, where it first appeared. The text is taken from Moyers' remarks upon receiving the Global Environmental Citizen Award from the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. © Copyright 2005 by TruthOut.org [1]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.knoton.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow
The sad truth is that these crackpot evangelical christians DO believe the fantasies they have fabricated and they are attempting to remake America and the world based on those fantasies. Let's don't shoot the messenger. In addition to being a journalist, Mr. Moyers is/was an ordained Southern Babtist minister from Texas. I suspect he understands the perspective of these crackpots better than most. He has not, however, stated that he himself subscribes to their little fantasy. That THEY do is the problem. Demian == From: Legal Eagle abogado at sympatico.ca snip One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that the delusional is no longer marginal. It has come in from the fringe, to sit in the seat of power in the Oval Office and in Congress. For the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power inWashington. /snip Other than having it right on the delusional no longer being marginal but front and center Mr Moyers portends to speak of things he knows little of, or has been coached by someone who has his/her story quite distorted. As for the so-called Biblical lands bit one would be hard pressed to find anyone who now lives in the political state of Israel who actually has semitic blood in them baring the Arabs who also live there, so therefore any reference to the tie-in with historical Hebrews is outrageous, contrary to the popular myth commonly believed. So, if everything hinges upon those who are presently occupying the political state of Israel as being some sort of legitimate blood heirs to the land they occupy is starting off with an erratum as a foundation and therefore anything that follows is also in error. And, of course, this erratum is the cornerstone of the so-called christians who identify as christian zionists. The entire foundation of the blind alley they walk is baseless in Scripture, as is a great percentage of what these ralte as what the Bible does nad does not say. The information being put forth is out contextualized and in many cases reversed and out of chronology with events that are predicted. But then when one starts a foudation off on a lie how can the building reflects any truth. Luc - Original Message - From: knoton http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5211218.html There Is No Tomorrow By Bill Moyers The Star Tribune Sunday 30 January 2005 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII [1]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.knoton.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
