Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-06-01 Thread Paul S Cantrell
The guys in our boiler plant love that diesel smell...takes them back
to their Navy days, I reckon...Full steam ahead!

WD-40 takes me back to childhood, working on stuff with my
Grandfather.  I think WD40 should be made into a cologne!
Eau de wd-forty?
http://tinyurl.com/l9kyr

On 5/30/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

 Maybe something is wrong, but it could be the actual biodiesel smell
 -- I took my VW to a mechanic to have a wheel bearing replaced, and he
 complained about the biodiesel dripping on the floor of his shop and
 making it smell like french fries.   Personally, if I have to open the
 fuel system up for anything, I try to make sure it's full of B100,
 because I can't stand the stench of diesel fuel -- not just when
 working with it, but for days afterwards, because I can't wash it off
 my hands.

 One of my Aunts said diesel smell turns her on, because her husband
 was a diesel mechanic for many years...

 I have to admit that the smell of two cycle gas engine smoke brings
 back fond memories of firewood cutting in the fall growing up.  Even
 though the actual odor is anything but pleasant.



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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-30 Thread Zeke Yewdall
On 5/29/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Zeke

 Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
 ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
 been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
 problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
 miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).

 We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota
 TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because
 the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the
 bus tank rusty maybe?

Yeah, the tank was very rusty when we got it, and I think the veggie
oil carries the rust to the filter. When I first switched my truck to
biodiesel, it did the same thing -- the biodiesel carried the rust to
the filter and clogged up.  When I changed the filter it looked like
it was filled with little red particles even.  I also clogged up the
filter on my VW after swithching from gas to biodiesel (with the
accompanying engine switch).  It was more like weird jelly than
particles -- perhaps 15 years of accumulated gasoline deposits in the
gas tank?

 But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
 busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
 my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
 was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
 stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
 cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
 biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.

 We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a
 diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do
 it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get
 hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just
 a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely
 notice it.

 What would you tell this person though?

 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
 
 I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
 avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
 that can avoid this smell?

Maybe something is wrong, but it could be the actual biodiesel smell
-- I took my VW to a mechanic to have a wheel bearing replaced, and he
complained about the biodiesel dripping on the floor of his shop and
making it smell like french fries.   Personally, if I have to open the
fuel system up for anything, I try to make sure it's full of B100,
because I can't stand the stench of diesel fuel -- not just when
working with it, but for days afterwards, because I can't wash it off
my hands.

One of my Aunts said diesel smell turns her on, because her husband
was a diesel mechanic for many years...

I have to admit that the smell of two cycle gas engine smoke brings
back fond memories of firewood cutting in the fall growing up.  Even
though the actual odor is anything but pleasant.


 I've had a few enquiries like that.

 Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
 just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
 exhaust stink?

 Does anybody else here think it stinks?

 Best

 Keith



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   Venezuelan president Chavez pledges energy loans to Bolivia
  
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   Maybe it's time for large scale biodiesel school bus conversions.
  
   Nation's School Buses Worst Polluting Vehicles
  
http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148815659.news 
  
  
  
  
  
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[Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Zeke

Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).

We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota 
TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because 
the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the 
bus tank rusty maybe?

But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.

We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a 
diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do 
it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get 
hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just 
a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely 
notice it.

What would you tell this person though?

Date: Wed, 24 May 2006

I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not 
avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter 
that can avoid this smell?

I've had a few enquiries like that.

Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it 
just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the 
exhaust stink?

Does anybody else here think it stinks?

Best

Keith

 

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  Venezuelan president Chavez pledges energy loans to Bolivia
 
   http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148814738.news 
 
 
  Maybe it's time for large scale biodiesel school bus conversions.
 
  Nation's School Buses Worst Polluting Vehicles
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread lres1
Keith wrote,
 What would you tell this person though?

 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
 
 I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
 avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
 that can avoid this smell?

 I've had a few enquiries like that.

 Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
 just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
 exhaust stink?

 Does anybody else here think it stinks?

The engine oil in a poorly maintained engine sure does smell some thing
horrible especially if it has additives. Sitting under my own converted
ex-school bus many years ago before I got to rebuild the engine was like
being gassed. The eyes watering and all. Could only stay under the bus for
short periods while the engine was running. Once the rings and pistons had
been changed it was all but sweet under there, no extremely bad smells or
fumes from a 1936 P6 powered ford Jailbar. Oil rings do not help the engine
compression or starting they wipe the walls to stop excess oil getting to
the combustion, if these rings are shot and the compression rings still very
good then you will get easy starting, good burning but a very horrible smell
from the oils being passed upwards. This is also the case with worn intake
valve guides with the O ring seals instead of the Hat type seals.

Yes bad smells can come from bio-fueled engines.

Doug

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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread Mike Weaver
Odd.  All the bio I've ever made smells fine before and after burning.  
A little like Thai food, but stinky, no.

lres1 wrote:

Keith wrote,
  

What would you tell this person though?



Date: Wed, 24 May 2006

I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
that can avoid this smell?
  

I've had a few enquiries like that.

Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
exhaust stink?

Does anybody else here think it stinks?



The engine oil in a poorly maintained engine sure does smell some thing
horrible especially if it has additives. Sitting under my own converted
ex-school bus many years ago before I got to rebuild the engine was like
being gassed. The eyes watering and all. Could only stay under the bus for
short periods while the engine was running. Once the rings and pistons had
been changed it was all but sweet under there, no extremely bad smells or
fumes from a 1936 P6 powered ford Jailbar. Oil rings do not help the engine
compression or starting they wipe the walls to stop excess oil getting to
the combustion, if these rings are shot and the compression rings still very
good then you will get easy starting, good burning but a very horrible smell
from the oils being passed upwards. This is also the case with worn intake
valve guides with the O ring seals instead of the Hat type seals.

Yes bad smells can come from bio-fueled engines.

Doug

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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread Appal Energy
 Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it 
 just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the 
 exhaust stink?

Unwashed fuel has a tart smell in comparison to washed fuel.

Todd Swearingen



Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Zeke

  

Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).



We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota 
TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because 
the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the 
bus tank rusty maybe?

  

But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.



We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a 
diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do 
it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get 
hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just 
a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely 
notice it.

What would you tell this person though?

  

Date: Wed, 24 May 2006

I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not 
avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter 
that can avoid this smell?



I've had a few enquiries like that.

Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it 
just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the 
exhaust stink?

Does anybody else here think it stinks?

Best

Keith

 

  

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Nation's School Buses Worst Polluting Vehicles

 http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148815659.news 





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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread lres1
Keith,
Was just thinking, what does non processed Jatropha smell like. That is
straight Jatropha oil extracted from the seed and put direct into an engine
without processing it to Bio-Diesel? It will run in an engine okay, for a
while at least, but I have not been involved enough to suck on the exhaust
tube, or close enough. Maybe some one can shed some light here.

Doug

 Hi Zeke

 Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
 ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
 been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
 problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
 miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).

 We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota
 TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because
 the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the
 bus tank rusty maybe?

 But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
 busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
 my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
 was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
 stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
 cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
 biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.

 We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a
 diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do
 it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get
 hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just
 a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely
 notice it.

 What would you tell this person though?

 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
 
 I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
 avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
 that can avoid this smell?

 I've had a few enquiries like that.

 Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
 just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
 exhaust stink?

 Does anybody else here think it stinks?

 Best

 Keith



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   I can imagine it now. Bush authorizes invasion of Bolivia!
  
   Venezuelan president Chavez pledges energy loans to Bolivia
  
http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148814738.news 
  
  
   Maybe it's time for large scale biodiesel school bus conversions.
  
   Nation's School Buses Worst Polluting Vehicles
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread Keith Addison
  Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
  just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
  exhaust stink?

Unwashed fuel has a tart smell in comparison to washed fuel.

Isn't that the methanol? I only ever tried using unwashed fuel once, 
but I don't think the exhaust stank.

Best

Keith


Todd Swearingen



Keith Addison wrote:

 Hi Zeke
 
 
 
 Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
 ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
 been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
 problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
 miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).
 
 
 
 We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota
 TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because
 the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the
 bus tank rusty maybe?
 
 
 
 But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
 busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
 my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
 was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
 stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
 cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
 biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.
 
 
 
 We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a
 diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do
 it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get
 hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just
 a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely
 notice it.
 
 What would you tell this person though?
 
 
 
 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
 
 I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
 avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
 that can avoid this smell?
 
 
 
 I've had a few enquiries like that.
 
 Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
 just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
 exhaust stink?
 
 Does anybody else here think it stinks?
 
 Best
 
 Keith

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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread Keith Addison
Keith wrote,
  What would you tell this person though?
 
  Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
  
  I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
  avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
  that can avoid this smell?
 
  I've had a few enquiries like that.
 
  Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
  just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
  exhaust stink?
 
  Does anybody else here think it stinks?

The engine oil in a poorly maintained engine sure does smell some thing
horrible especially if it has additives. Sitting under my own converted
ex-school bus many years ago before I got to rebuild the engine was like
being gassed. The eyes watering and all. Could only stay under the bus for
short periods while the engine was running. Once the rings and pistons had
been changed it was all but sweet under there, no extremely bad smells or
fumes from a 1936 P6 powered ford Jailbar. Oil rings do not help the engine
compression or starting they wipe the walls to stop excess oil getting to
the combustion, if these rings are shot and the compression rings still very
good then you will get easy starting, good burning but a very horrible smell
from the oils being passed upwards. This is also the case with worn intake
valve guides with the O ring seals instead of the Hat type seals.

Yes bad smells can come from bio-fueled engines.

Doug

Interesting, Doug. But I think he's talking about the fuel itself, 
not the engine. Others who've complained were definitely saying 
biodiesel exhaust stinks.

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread Appal Energy
It's kind of acrid in comparison to washed fuel. Soaps, methanol and 
glycerol being the culprits.

All things are relative. Some people love the smell of diesel fuel 
burning in the morning. (Paraphrased from the movie Apocalyse Now.)

Todd Swearingen



Keith Addison wrote:

Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
exhaust stink?
  

Unwashed fuel has a tart smell in comparison to washed fuel.



Isn't that the methanol? I only ever tried using unwashed fuel once, 
but I don't think the exhaust stank.

Best

Keith


  

Todd Swearingen



Keith Addison wrote:



Hi Zeke



  

Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).




We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota
TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because
the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the
bus tank rusty maybe?



  

But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.




We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a
diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do
it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get
hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just
a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely
notice it.

What would you tell this person though?



  

Date: Wed, 24 May 2006

I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
that can avoid this smell?




I've had a few enquiries like that.

Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
exhaust stink?

Does anybody else here think it stinks?

Best

Keith
  


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