Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[lres1]

 
I was of the opinion that the sulfur content in fuel was due to the 
surrounds from where it was sourced. Shale oil was known to be very high in 
Sulfur and as such was of much less value than other sources.
 
To note the GM (Detroit) series of 2 stroke engines did not 
last long on the shale oils as they wore the piston rings out. years ago a 
standing joke when we kept getting high sulfur diesel was that if you ran a 
Detroit 2 stroke you should fit a sieve to the exhaust to keep the rings in. 
this being the case and the extra wear on the rings then I don't see the sulfur 
as an additive but the dumping and propaganda that comes from oil companies to 
sell poor products at top prices with no come back by the 
customer.
 
Sulfur is the destructive component in the bearings/shells on 
the crank shaft, also as above in the piston rings. It is being sucked into 
thinking it is good stuff for the engine where in reality it was the opening of 
closed shale oil deposits due to the detrimental effects on engines. With $ and 
time you can swing the population to believe almost any things is good for your 
car. Take silicone based cleaners and "rejuvenators" for upholstery. Silicone 
based substances break down and can destroy the interior of cars but the packets 
of such display sparkling leather etc. Just another fallacy 
and manipulation.
 
Doug 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Keith Addison 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel 
  Group
  ***No virus was detected in the 
  attachment no filenameYour mail has been scanned by 
  InterScan.***-***I wish people would stop 
  saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated butit's not true:"The 
  original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in hisprototype 
  compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the firstever biodiesel." 
  - Australian Biodiesel GroupThis is even worse - peanut oil is 
  biodiesel, good grief.Also... "The chemistry of transesterification 
  has been wellunderstood for many years. However, until recently, the 
  leadingtechnologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due 
  toinconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with 
  theseissues by limiting the preferred feedstock for biodiesel 
  producedthere to canola oil."LOL! What BS.Just another 
  commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world,nor anything much, 
  IMNSHO.BestKeith>Kirk McLoren 
  wrote:> > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get 
  that rubbish?> > Kirk>>It's not deliberately added, 
  but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of>lubrication for the injector 
  pump. My understanding is that it needs to>be replaced in very low 
  sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as>they point out 
  here.>>In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added 
  intentionally.>>--- David>> > */Darryl McMahon 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* 
  wrote:> >> > Spotted this in the 
  March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this> 
  > group in Calgary.> >> 
  >>http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0>6.pdf> 
  >> > page 15> >> 
  > ===> 
  > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food 
  may have a bad rap> > for> 
  > their calorie-laden fat content. But the 
  greasiest junk food may> > provide> 
  > the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry 
  and other> > diesel-powered machinery in the 
  near future. At least, thatís what a> > 
  group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the> 
  > provinceís first biodiesel refinery.> 
  >> > ìWe think thereís a lot of 
  potential,î says Patrick Luft,> > co-founder 
  of> > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which 
  has plans to begin producing> > up 
  to> > 20 million litres of biodiesel per 
  year in a plant on the> > outskirts 
  of> > Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is 
  that itís a renewable fuel, it> > lubricates 
  engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas> 
  > emissions> > as 
  well.î> >> > Luft and partner 
  Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use> > 
  technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of> 
  > turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern 
  Alberta> > slaughterhouses into fuel that 
  can power diesel engines.ìBecause the> > 
  industry is in its infancy,weíll have to start off using new> 
  > canola oil,> > 
  but it will be capable of us

Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Keith Addison]

>Oh let them have their moment in the sun. The rain will soon fall on their
>parade and they'll come running to you and this list asking for advice and
>what-not.
>
>I'm trusting you will embrace them with open arms when that happens.

What touching faith Kenji. :-) And indeed, for only twice my normal fee...

We're not really interested in supporting commercial projects, it's 
not a free consultancy service. We're not necessarily against profit 
either, it depends what sort of project it is. This is a good 
example, I thought, from Ken in the Philippines:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg58663.html
Re: [Biofuel] Local to Global

On the other hand there's what Joe Street said a while back: "When I 
am confident about what I have to offer I'll post all I have learned 
about what doesn't work as well as what does work on my site. Will I 
make plans available? Absolutely.  I love open source forums on the 
web and the idea of sharing the wealth of knowledge openly. I'm not 
lurking here mining for information so I can slink off and use it to 
sell a million barrels of biofuel or exhorbitant skid processors for 
someone else to do the same.  That's exactly the kind of thinking 
that got us in the lovely situation we are in with this world and 
I've had enough of it. No doubt some of those lurkers are shaking 
their heads glibly snickering at my cluelessness in the ways of 
commerce. Whateva."

Maybe I do them an injustice but this Calgary project does look like 
just another commercial operation that won't change anything much. Is 
it about anything else but profit? Wouldn't they be doing the same 
thing if there was a sudden opening in zircon-encrusted bathroom 
fittings or something?

> > > > "The beauty of biodiesel is that it's a renewable fuel, it
> > > > lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
> > > > emissions
> > > > as well."

Renewable? What feedstock will they be using for 20 million litres a 
year? I suppose there's room for them in the market, if not in the 
future.

Best

Keith


>Kenji Fuse
>
>On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > I wish people would stop saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated but
> > it's not true:
> >
> > "The original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in his
> > prototype compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the first
> > ever biodiesel." - Australian Biodiesel Group
> >
> > This is even worse - peanut oil is biodiesel, good grief.
> >
> > Also... "The chemistry of transesterification has been well
> > understood for many years. However, until recently, the leading
> > technologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due to
> > inconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with these
> > issues by limiting the preferred feedstock for biodiesel produced
> > there to canola oil."
> >
> > LOL! What BS.
> >
> > Just another commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world,
> > nor anything much, IMNSHO.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > >Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > > > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
> > > > Kirk
> > >
> > >It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of
> > >lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to
> > >be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as
> > >they point out here.
> > >
> > >In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.
> > >
> > >--- David
> > >
> > > > */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this
> > > > group in Calgary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0
> > >6.pdf
> > > >
> > > > page 15
> > > >
> > > > ===
> > > > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap
> > > > for
> > > > their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may
> > > > provide
> > > > the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry and other
> > > > diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, 
>thatís what a
> > > > group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare 
>to open the
> > > > provinceís first biodiesel refinery.
> > > >
> > > > ìWe think thereís a lot of potential,î says Patrick Luft,
> > > > co-founder of
> > > > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing
> > > > up to
> > > > 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the
> > > > outskirts of
> > > > Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is that itís a renewable fuel, it
> > > > lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
> > > > emissions
> > > > as well.î
> > > >
> > > > Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
> > > > technology, developed by the Australian B

Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Keith Addison]

> > After all, we did add lead to gasoline for knock until the
>"treehuggers" made us stop. ;) <
>
>No we added lead because it cut the cost of producing fuel that did not
>knock. There is no need to add lead (Russia stopped in 1956) it just made
>more profit for the petrol companies.   Chris

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=2320&s=kitman
The Secret History of Lead
March 20, 2000
SPECIAL REPORT
by JAMIE LINCOLN KITMAN

PDF:
http://www.globalleadnet.org/pdf/TheSecretHistoryofLead.pdf

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Essays/Biofuel/fuel.shtml
Henry Ford, Charles Kettering and "The Fuel Of The Future"

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Chris Lloyd]

> After all, we did add lead to gasoline for knock until the
"treehuggers" made us stop. ;) <

No we added lead because it cut the cost of producing fuel that did not 
knock. There is no need to add lead (Russia stopped in 1956) it just made 
more profit for the petrol companies.   Chris




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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[bob allen]

There is little or no free sulfur in fossil fuels, it is present as 
hydrogen sulfide, H2S which is the stuff of rotten egg smells.  when 
present in significant amounts, it is called "sour crude".  "Sweet 
crude" is more valuable and therefore brings a higher price.

Most sulfur in crude oil is present as organosulfur compounds, ie it is 
tied up via covalent bonding in organic compounds such as thiophene 
(C4H4S) and higher homologs.

The sulfur is removed via a process called hydrodesulfurization, but I 
am not familiar with the chemistry of the process.



Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> It was my understanding that the lack of sulpher is not necessarily
> the cause of low lubricity in the low sulphur fuel, but that the
> process of removing the sulphur also changed the fuel to have less
> lubricity.  Anyone know exactly how they remove the sulphur, and what
> it does to the lubricity of the fuel?  Or is sulphur actually a
> lubricant?
> 
> On 3/7/06, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>> Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
>>> Kirk
>> It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of
>> lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to
>> be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as
>> they point out here.
>>
>> In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.
>>
>> --- David
>>
>>> */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>>
>>> Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this
>>> group in Calgary.
>>>
>>> 
>>> http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_06.pdf
>>>
>>> page 15
>>>
>>> ===
>>> French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap
>>> for
>>> their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may
>>> provide
>>> the fuel of choice for Canada's trucking industry and other
>>> diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, that's what a
>>> group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the
>>> province's first biodiesel refinery.
>>>
>>> "We think there's a lot of potential," says Patrick Luft,
>>> co-founder of
>>> the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing
>>> up to
>>> 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the
>>> outskirts of
>>> Calgary. "The beauty of biodiesel is that it's a renewable fuel, it
>>> lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
>>> emissions
>>> as well."
>>>
>>> Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
>>> technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of
>>> turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta
>>> slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines."Because the
>>> industry is in its infancy,we'll have to start off using new
>>> canola oil,
>>> but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and
>>> non-edible
>>> vegetable oil products," Luft says."It will be a modular plant so
>>> it can
>>> be quickly ramped up as demand grows."
>>>
>>> Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law
>>> comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur
>>> content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
>>> ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A
>>> two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same
>>> lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.
>>>
>>> The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites
>>> near
>>> Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin
>>> construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it
>>> will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and
>>> organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using
>>> biodiesel
>>> in its vehicle fleet.
>>>
>>> "There are a lot of potential customers," says Luft,"because more and
>>> more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel."
>>> ===
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com
>>> It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Zeke Yewdall]

It was my understanding that the lack of sulpher is not necessarily
the cause of low lubricity in the low sulphur fuel, but that the
process of removing the sulphur also changed the fuel to have less
lubricity.  Anyone know exactly how they remove the sulphur, and what
it does to the lubricity of the fuel?  Or is sulphur actually a
lubricant?

On 3/7/06, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
> > Kirk
>
> It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of
> lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to
> be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as
> they point out here.
>
> In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.
>
> --- David
>
> > */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this
> > group in Calgary.
> >
> > 
> > http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_06.pdf
> >
> > page 15
> >
> > ===
> > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap
> > for
> > their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may
> > provide
> > the fuel of choice for Canada's trucking industry and other
> > diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, that's what a
> > group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the
> > province's first biodiesel refinery.
> >
> > "We think there's a lot of potential," says Patrick Luft,
> > co-founder of
> > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing
> > up to
> > 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the
> > outskirts of
> > Calgary. "The beauty of biodiesel is that it's a renewable fuel, it
> > lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
> > emissions
> > as well."
> >
> > Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
> > technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of
> > turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta
> > slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines."Because the
> > industry is in its infancy,we'll have to start off using new
> > canola oil,
> > but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and
> > non-edible
> > vegetable oil products," Luft says."It will be a modular plant so
> > it can
> > be quickly ramped up as demand grows."
> >
> > Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law
> > comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur
> > content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
> > ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A
> > two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same
> > lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.
> >
> > The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites
> > near
> > Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin
> > construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it
> > will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and
> > organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using
> > biodiesel
> > in its vehicle fleet.
> >
> > "There are a lot of potential customers," says Luft,"because more and
> > more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel."
> > ===
> >
> > --
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> > It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Kenji James Fuse]

Oh let them have their moment in the sun. The rain will soon fall on their
parade and they'll come running to you and this list asking for advice and
what-not.

I'm trusting you will embrace them with open arms when that happens.

Kenji Fuse

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Keith Addison wrote:

> I wish people would stop saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated but
> it's not true:
>
> "The original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in his
> prototype compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the first
> ever biodiesel." - Australian Biodiesel Group
>
> This is even worse - peanut oil is biodiesel, good grief.
>
> Also... "The chemistry of transesterification has been well
> understood for many years. However, until recently, the leading
> technologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due to
> inconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with these
> issues by limiting the preferred feedstock for biodiesel produced
> there to canola oil."
>
> LOL! What BS.
>
> Just another commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world,
> nor anything much, IMNSHO.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> >Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
> > > Kirk
> >
> >It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of
> >lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to
> >be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as
> >they point out here.
> >
> >In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.
> >
> >--- David
> >
> > > */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > >
> > > Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this
> > > group in Calgary.
> > >
> > >
> >http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0
> >6.pdf
> > >
> > > page 15
> > >
> > > ===
> > > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap
> > > for
> > > their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may
> > > provide
> > > the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry and other
> > > diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, thatís what a
> > > group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the
> > > provinceís first biodiesel refinery.
> > >
> > > ìWe think thereís a lot of potential,î says Patrick Luft,
> > > co-founder of
> > > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing
> > > up to
> > > 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the
> > > outskirts of
> > > Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is that itís a renewable fuel, it
> > > lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
> > > emissions
> > > as well.î
> > >
> > > Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
> > > technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of
> > > turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta
> > > slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.ìBecause the
> > > industry is in its infancy,weíll have to start off using new
> > > canola oil,
> > > but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and
> > > non-edible
> > > vegetable oil products,î Luft says.ìIt will be a modular plant so
> > > it can
> > > be quickly ramped up as demand grows.î
> > >
> > > Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law
> > > comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur
> > > content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
> > > ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A
> > > two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same
> > > lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.
> > >
> > > The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites
> > > near
> > > Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin
> > > construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it
> > > will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and
> > > organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using
> > > biodiesel
> > > in its vehicle fleet.
> > >
> > > ìThere are a lot of potential customers,î says Luft,ìbecause more and
> > > more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.î
> > > ===
> > >
> > > --
> > > Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com
> > > It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Michael Redler]

Re: "the leading technologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due to inconsistent production quality."     Besides providing a hefty income to the government, the patent office is overflowing with IP which exists exclusively for the sake of making money.     That said, there are two ways to make IP profitable (IMO):     1.) Innovation: Profit is most often a function of how much an idea makes everything else obsolete.     2.) Exclusivity: Commercialize IP in a way that convinces people that it can't be easily duplicated for their own use. Reinforce exclusivity by writing patents in a way that greatly limits future inventors (i.e. the Wright brothers basically wanted rights to everything that could fly) and campaign against the credibility of competing ideas.      I see
 the above statement as a marketing attempt to make the process exclusive to commercial interests.     Mike   Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I wish people would stop saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated but it's not true:"The original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in his prototype compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the first ever biodiesel." - Australian Biodiesel GroupThis is even worse - peanut oil is biodiesel, good grief.Also... "The chemistry of transesterification has been well understood for many years. However, until recently, the leading technologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due to inconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with these issues by limiting the
 preferred feedstock for biodiesel produced there to canola oil."LOL! What BS.Just another commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world, nor anything much, IMNSHO.BestKeith>Kirk McLoren wrote:> > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?> > Kirk>>It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of>lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to>be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as>they point out here.>>In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.>>--- David>> > */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:> >> > Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this> > group in Calgary.> >> >
 >http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0 >6.pdf> >> > page 15> >> > ===> > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap> > for> > their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may> > provide> > the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry and other> > diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, thatís what a> > group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the> > provinceís first biodiesel refinery.> >> > ìWe think thereís a lot of potential,î says Patrick Luft,> > co-founder of> > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing> > up to> > 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the> > outskirts of> >
 Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is that itís a renewable fuel, it> > lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas> > emissions> > as well.î> >> > Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use> > technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of> > turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta> > slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.ìBecause the> > industry is in its infancy,weíll have to start off using new> > canola oil,> > but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and> > non-edible> > vegetable oil products,î Luft says.ìIt will be a modular plant so> > it can> > be quickly ramped up as demand grows.î> >> > Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law> > comes into effect in June,
 dropping the maximum allowable sulphur> > content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500> > ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A> > two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same> > lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.> >> > The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites> > near> > Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin> > construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it> > will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and> > organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using> > biodiesel> > in its vehicle fleet.> >> > ìThere are a lot of potential customers,î says Luft,ìbecause more and> > more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.î> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[John Hayes]

Kirk McLoren wrote:
> Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
> Kirk
> 
> */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> 
> Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law
> comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable s! ulphur
> content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
> ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A
> two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same
> lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.

You are correct - sulfur is not a lubricant.

Rather, it seems to me this misunderstanding is the result of sloppy 
language and sloppy logic. Some of the industrial processes used to 
remove sulfur *also* reduce lubricity of the fuel.  My understanding is 
that some low sulfur diesel historically had lubricity related problems 
for this reason.

If you are a mechanic and notice that your customers running LSD have 
lubricity issues while those that use HSD don't, you might mistakenly 
conclude that sulfur adds lubricity to the fuel. From that point, the 
logical leap to the idea that sulfur is *added* to the fuel isn't that 
far fetched. After all, we did add lead to gasoline for knock until the 
"treehuggers" made us stop. ;)

jh


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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Keith Addison]

I wish people would stop saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated but 
it's not true:

"The original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in his 
prototype compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the first 
ever biodiesel." - Australian Biodiesel Group

This is even worse - peanut oil is biodiesel, good grief.

Also... "The chemistry of transesterification has been well 
understood for many years. However, until recently, the leading 
technologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due to 
inconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with these 
issues by limiting the preferred feedstock for biodiesel produced 
there to canola oil."

LOL! What BS.

Just another commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world, 
nor anything much, IMNSHO.

Best

Keith



>Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
> > Kirk
>
>It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of
>lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to
>be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as
>they point out here.
>
>In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.
>
>--- David
>
> > */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this
> > group in Calgary.
> >
> > 
>http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0 
>6.pdf
> >
> > page 15
> >
> > ===
> > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap
> > for
> > their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may
> > provide
> > the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry and other
> > diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, thatís what a
> > group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the
> > provinceís first biodiesel refinery.
> >
> > ìWe think thereís a lot of potential,î says Patrick Luft,
> > co-founder of
> > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing
> > up to
> > 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the
> > outskirts of
> > Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is that itís a renewable fuel, it
> > lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
> > emissions
> > as well.î
> >
> > Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
> > technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of
> > turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta
> > slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.ìBecause the
> > industry is in its infancy,weíll have to start off using new
> > canola oil,
> > but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and
> > non-edible
> > vegetable oil products,î Luft says.ìIt will be a modular plant so
> > it can
> > be quickly ramped up as demand grows.î
> >
> > Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law
> > comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur
> > content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
> > ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A
> > two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same
> > lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.
> >
> > The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites
> > near
> > Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin
> > construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it
> > will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and
> > organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using
> > biodiesel
> > in its vehicle fleet.
> >
> > ìThere are a lot of potential customers,î says Luft,ìbecause more and
> > more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.î
> > ===
> >
> > --
> > Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com
> > It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[David Miller]

Kirk McLoren wrote:
> Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?
> Kirk

It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of 
lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to 
be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as 
they point out here.

In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally.

--- David

> */Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this
> group in Calgary.
>
> 
> http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_06.pdf
>
> page 15
>
> ===
> French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap
> for
> their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may
> provide
> the fuel of choice for Canada’s trucking industry and other
> diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, that’s what a
> group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the
> province’s first biodiesel refinery.
>
> “We think there’s a lot of potential,” says Patrick Luft,
> co-founder of
> the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing
> up to
> 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the
> outskirts of
> Calgary. “The beauty of biodiesel is that it’s a renewable fuel, it
> lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas
> emissions
> as well.”
>
> Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
> technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of
> turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta
> slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.“Because the
> industry is in its infancy,we’ll have to start off using new
> canola oil,
> but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and
> non-edible
> vegetable oil products,” Luft says.“It will be a modular plant so
> it can
> be quickly ramped up as demand grows.”
>
> Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law
> comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur
> content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
> ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A
> two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same
> lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.
>
> The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites
> near
> Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin
> construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it
> will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and
> organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using
> biodiesel
> in its vehicle fleet.
>
> “There are a lot of potential customers,” says Luft,“because more and
> more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.”
> ===
>
> -- 
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Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

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Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish?  KirkDarryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this group in Calgary.http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_06.pdf page 15===French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap for their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may provide the fuel of choice for Canada’s trucking industry and other diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, that’s what a group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the province’s first biodiesel refinery.“We think there’s a lot of potential,” says Patrick Luft, co-founder of the
 Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing up to 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the outskirts of Calgary. “The beauty of biodiesel is that it’s a renewable fuel, it lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas emissions as well.”Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to usetechnology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.“Because the industry is in its infancy,we’ll have to start off using new canola oil, but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and non-edible vegetable oil products,” Luft says.“It will be a modular plant so it canbe quickly ramped up as demand grows.”Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur
 content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites near Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using biodiesel in its vehicle fleet.“There are a lot of potential customers,” says Luft,“because more and more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.”===-- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.comIt's your planet. If you won't look after it, who
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[Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

[Darryl McMahon]

Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views.  First I have heard of this 
group in Calgary.

http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_06.pdf 
page 15

===
French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap for 
their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may provide 
the fuel of choice for Canada’s trucking industry and other 
diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, that’s what a 
group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the 
province’s first biodiesel refinery.

“We think there’s a lot of potential,” says Patrick Luft, co-founder of 
the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing up to 
20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the outskirts of 
Calgary. “The beauty of biodiesel is that it’s a renewable fuel, it 
lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas emissions 
as well.”

Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use
technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of 
turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta 
slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.“Because the 
industry is in its infancy,we’ll have to start off using new canola oil, 
but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and non-edible 
vegetable oil products,” Luft says.“It will be a modular plant so it can
be quickly ramped up as demand grows.”

Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law 
comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur 
content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500
ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A 
two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same 
lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur.

The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites near 
Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin 
construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it 
will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and 
organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using biodiesel 
in its vehicle fleet.

“There are a lot of potential customers,” says Luft,“because more and 
more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.”
===

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