Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Jason :) try http:www.truthout.org lots more of activists real journalists (even from MsM, like Keith Olderman of MSNBC [this one a previous bite]), an extensive Video archive well worth subscribing to. (it's free) E. Allen C. --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the title is appropriate... how in the hell did this get on the air without being stifled? i love it! SHOW ME MORE! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/09/11/holy-fucking-crap/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Jason :) try http:www.truthout.org Uh-uh - http://www.truthout.org/ t r u t h o u t | News Politics William Rivers Pitt's site, basically. Lots in the list archives from truthout and from Pitt. Best Keith lots more of activists real journalists (even from MsM, like Keith Olderman of MSNBC [this one a previous bite]), an extensive Video archive well worth subscribing to. (it's free) E. Allen C. --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the title is appropriate... how in the hell did this get on the air without being stifled? i love it! SHOW ME MORE! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/09/11/holy-fucking-crap/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Do I get my 20.00 or not? Mike Materialist American Weaver Keith Addison wrote: Really? I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from the garden. You're right, it didn't. None too soon, by the looks of it. From farmwork to sewer maintenance, sigh, no rest for the wicked I suppose... Best Keith J Mike Weaver wrote: Dear Joe, Well, now I'm offended. I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying to offend Thor. Nuts. How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and you can be offended Thursday and Friday? I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing compromise, and offend Fred for a while. Your only offense is that you were offended. My offense was muddying the waters. Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less. -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I'll give you credit for $20.00 worth of tolerance for your shtick. That's $20 american eh. ( By the end of the year it'll be worthless as things are going) Mike Weaver wrote: Do I get my 20.00 or not? Mike "Materialist American" Weaver Keith Addison wrote: Really? I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from the garden. You're right, it didn't. None too soon, by the looks of it. From farmwork to sewer maintenance, sigh, no rest for the wicked I suppose... Best Keith J Mike Weaver wrote: Dear Joe, Well, now I'm offended. I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying to offend Thor. Nuts. How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and you can be offended Thursday and Friday? I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing compromise, and offend Fred for a while. Your only offense is that you were offended. My offense was muddying the waters. Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less. -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I'll take that in Loonies Joe Street wrote: I'll give you credit for $20.00 worth of tolerance for your shtick. That's $20 american eh. ( By the end of the year it'll be worthless as things are going) Mike Weaver wrote: Do I get my 20.00 or not? Mike Materialist American Weaver Keith Addison wrote: Really? I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from the garden. You're right, it didn't. None too soon, by the looks of it. From farmwork to sewer maintenance, sigh, no rest for the wicked I suppose... Best Keith J Mike Weaver wrote: Dear Joe, Well, now I'm offended. I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying to offend Thor. Nuts. How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and you can be offended Thursday and Friday? I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing compromise, and offend Fred for a while. Your only offense is that you were offended. My offense was muddying the waters. Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less. -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
That label has been appropriated by a group that: Has expanded the government, particularly in terms of government intrusion into your daily life; wants to tell who you can and cannot marry - isn't that YOUR responsibility to make that choice? Wants accountability for individuals but noe coporations; Has done more environmental damage in 5 years than in the last 30; and has borrowed more money than any other US gov't in History. I don't know what you call them, but they are not Conservatives. Today's Democrat is a Republican from 1950. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! Keith Addison wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! It just doesn't make a lot of difference, IMHO, just as long as we can be honest with each other, and especially with ourselves. Now whose wing are you under, that's another matter - jerking the left knee's no better and no dumber than jerking the right one, and the views and cherished notions come from elsewhere. Puppets on a string. Best Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came on. -Johnny Cash Zeke Yewdall wrote: I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the libertarian/authoritarian. not sure what this means either, except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - *From:* Paul S Cantrell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason, You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa. I prefer the term Progressive. Ever taken the political compass test online? http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
And I owe you a book - I have friend coming from Japan for a few weeks - he said he'd take it back and send it to you... Keith Addison wrote: Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of you yet! :-) Best Keith Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread Disney should eventually lead to a question of god. Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert. By answering whose god? we get an idea of the god who is whose god, IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's god. I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby, the individual's or culture's behavior. For myself, having been raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists god at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and future. I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of course, along with it notions of independence and freedom. All of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary dramatically. Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds us and what is my essence. Presently, I am saying consciousness and curiosity. What does this mean for my behavior? Obviously, it will depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy. Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not feel bad about myself because I'm not living some pure form of existence. Recently, I began to think of god in terms of intelligent energy and ultimately consciousness and curiosity. Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving itself as part of me who is conscious and curious. I had to stop and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering. I'm still there today when I have seen this post to the List and an opportunity to think out loud, if you will. Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness. Maybe. I'm satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of us are connected and that it is only the devil in the details that deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent than anything we can imagine. For some of us, sadly, this devil is the god that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to ever attempt a real understanding of whose god? who is god? Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney bob allen wrote: Who's god? As in who IS god? Or whose god? The answer to that question is different in both cases! : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.cahttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney-Rush
Wow I never expected to find Rush fans hereand while we're on Rush lyrics how about these? He's noble enough to know whats right But weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world But fool enough to lose it --- He's a new world man.. Joe John M. Sims wrote: Here is another apt Rush line for you. "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand." John M. Sims Sims Photographic 214.507.1164 simsphotographic.com On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:42 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote: Paul S Cantrell wrote: [VIDEO] Please watch.. Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I think: "The ones we wish would listen are never going to hear." Thank you for posting this. I'm SO sick of being labeled a "liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
No we got our asses kickedAt least thats my opinionNo disrespect the the vets intended, you did what you could with one hand tied behind your back, and Johnson standing on your nuts From: leo bunyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:51 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Wasn't Vietnam a drawJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.JoeFred Finch wrote: Let me get this straight... We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again? When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first. fred ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ On Yahoo!7The new Yahoo!7 TV home page features highlights and popular picks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Yeah they drew a lot of soil out of the ground and backfilled with bodies. leo bunyan wrote: Wasn't Vietnam a draw Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam. Joe Fred Finch wrote: Let me get this straight... We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again? When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first. fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ On Yahoo!7 The new Yahoo!7 TV home page features highlights and popular picks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Well I used to consider myself an a$$ holenow I guess I am a Liberial LeftEconomic Left/Right: -3.25Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77Still have no clue what this means, not sure I care.I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. I think thats all that matters in life.My motto... "I don't care what you think"My theme song... Robert Earl King - Rich Young Dumb NymphomaniacMy thoughts on global warming... It happens in nature, we just turbo charged the processMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glassI don't think the test is very accurate--If the Brits wore red coats to hide the blood on the field of battle then that explains why the French wear brown pants. From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:36 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself.On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
There were several questions that I felt should have had a neutral/don't know/don't care option. I would have guessed a different score for myself...more Right/Libertarian... Economic Left/Right: -.88Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -.77 The test was fun...but I agree...not very accurate. A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, but it uses up a thousand times the memory. 0x2B | ~0x2B --Hamlet - Original Message - From: Thor Burfine To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Well I used to consider myself an a$$ holenow I guess I am a Liberial LeftEconomic Left/Right: -3.25Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77Still have no clue what this means, not sure I care.I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. I think thats all that matters in life.My motto... "I don't care what you think"My theme song... Robert Earl King - Rich Young Dumb NymphomaniacMy thoughts on global warming... It happens in nature, we just turbo charged the processMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glassI don't think the test is very accurate--If the Brits wore red coats to hide the blood on the field of battle then that explains why the French wear brown pants. From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:36 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz l
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
The current regime encourages us-them thinking. The antisemitic pogrom run by Israel isnt possible without it.As a result we see Arabs dehumanized. And it isnt by accident. Genuine war crime actually.KirkJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I don not believe in being politically correct, so if I offend you, ohh well not my problem From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snipMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
And that is not offensive? - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Seconded Fred Finch wrote: And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
You could join Densa Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I doubt it.and I do give a shit! (apologies to the list)On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi.. From: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi.. From: "Fred Finch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney- these memorials
You may want to spend some time with these:Scientists and engineers simulate jet colliding with WTC
http://www.physorg.com/news77212675.htmlWorld Trade Center
Building Performance Studyhttp://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtcreport.htmPay special attention to page 9 of this PDF:
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch1.pdfIt shows the area of debris field from the 110 story buildings and how far the exterior columns went. The collapse of these buldings was in no way controlled, except by the force of gravity. The scale of the towers (110 stories on a 16 acre site) adds to the perception that it could be controlled, but there were no explosions on lower floors that indicate anything other than the pancake-effect. The outer walls actually peeled outward, but it is difficult to see with all of the debris in the air.
It would require an unbelievable effort and lapse of judgement of thousands of people for the entire engineering and physics scientific community to AGREE on conspiring to skew the results of the science surrounding the WTC site.
There is a lot of emotion embedded in the conspiracy theories around 9/11 and in your email, but no good science or engineering.I don't believe that the current administration orchestrated the events of 9/11, they are opportunistic {insert perjorative term here}s, but they just aren't smart enough, IMHO.
On 9/12/06, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These September 11 memorials are extremely difficult for me because I do notnow and have never believed this was the work of outside terrorists.Several years ago I watched a documentary about the bringing down of .. I
think it was the Sears building .. or some old icon in .. maybe Michigan (orsome other state - details are fuzzy).A demolition company specializing in this line of work was filmed from theplanning stage .. as they inspected, planned, set the explosives, pushed the
timer and brought that building down.I remember very clearly the sight ofhow that building folded into itself.This demolition was preceded by a miniscule inspection of the entirebuilding .. crawling through walls and ceilings inspecting things like steel
structure, riveting, any weakness that may have happened during the yearssince it was built.The actual planning stage was using the original blue prints plus allupdates over the years. These plus the inspection notes were used in
deciding where the charges were to be placed. There were thousands ofcharges in all support positions on both the outside framing and interiorstairwells and elevator shafts of this building.The idea being that the interior charges would go fractions of moments
before the exterior charges bringing the outside walls toward the center.The second stage was the physical placing of the charges and the timers ..taking into account any of those now existing weaknesses .. a huge
engineering task.These charges must be placed in precision order and the timers must go offEXACTLY in the right order .. the results have the building folding in onitself floor by floor .. and in this documentary this was a successful
demolition... in short .. there is weeks and months or longer of work involved to bringabout a controlled demolition... an explosion out of this precision order could topple the building ..having it lay down lengthwise.
2 planes hit and 3 buildings were brought down .. 1 building had a smallfire that did not and could not have caused structural damage.I don't believe I am the only one who watched that horrible day as those
buildings collapsed perfectly down into themselves ... and had their bloodrun cold .. because, if what I was witnessing was true, then this attackcould only have come from home.There is no other way in my mind that anyone without official, authorized
consent could possibly have had such intimate contact with those buildingsover months of time .. because there is no other way that all 3 buildingscould have happened the way they did.I knew then and I know it now .. these were controlled demolitions.
I also know that the horror I feel is more so because I believe my own didit to me. My heart twists to know that there are so many others who believeas I do and have the additional burden of having lost a loved one in that
fury.Mary Lynn Schmidt___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney
The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred Mensa sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; I agreed with Fred. My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass - pretty offensive. Fed responded: And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... So I suggested Thor join Densa... So Fred bob allen wrote: so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Hey Reavler get it right man; I was the one who was offended. Now I am offended that you attributed my offence to someone else. Follow the list rules dude. Offence where offence is due. This is just awful, now I feel like my offence has been usurped. I feel offenceless. Hey let Thor alone. I'm already giving odds (offlist) on how long he will last here. ;) J Mike Weaver wrote: I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred Mensa sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; I agreed with Fred. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
noI find many of the topics here insitful and usefulI had a professor once tell meIf you are offended, then its your fault.If you offend me, then its my faultI live by that. From: "Fred Finch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is doneFrom: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: "Fred Finch" *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Yes you're right Randall. When I wrote that I meant it to provoke a thought in poor Thor that he might remember the golden rule. I wasn't advocating nuking his family. Sorry if I came across that way. Joe Randall wrote: And that is not offensive? - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Useless words to live by. On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noI find many of the topics here insitful and usefulI had a professor once tell meIf you are offended, then its your fault.If you offend me, then its my fault I live by that. From: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob--- The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Hi Weaver (Redler), I think you missed one of the posts done by our friend Thor.He said, Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I don not believe in being politically correct, so if I offend you, ohh well not my problemTo which I replied, And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...Hope this clears this up,fred On 9/13/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred Mensasarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; Iagreed with Fred.My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass - pretty offensive.Fed responded:And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...So I suggested Thor join Densa...So Fredbob allen wrote: so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote:Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM*To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyAnd apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM*To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me.Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snipMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Yes, go away. Fred Finch wrote: I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list? On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done *From*: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Well, as Thor's previous professor of Offensive Rhetoric and Circular Reasoning at Matchbook University, I'm very offended by your heartless comments. I challenge you to a duel: Lutefisk at 50 paces. Name your seconds, Sir. -Weaver Fred Finch wrote: Useless words to live by. On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no I find many of the topics here insitful and useful I had a professor once tell me If you are offended, then its your fault. If you offend me, then its my fault I live by that. *From*: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list? On 9/13/06, * Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done *From*: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Dear Joe, Well, now I'm offended. I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying to offend Thor. Nuts. How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and you can be offended Thursday and Friday? I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing compromise, and offend Fred for a while. Your only offense is that you were offended. My offense was muddying the waters. Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less. -Weaver Joe Street wrote: Hey Reavler get it right man; I was the one who was offended. Now I am offended that you attributed my offence to someone else. Follow the list rules dude. Offence where offence is due. This is just awful, now I feel like my offence has been usurped. I feel offenceless. Hey let Thor alone. I'm already giving odds (offlist) on how long he will last here. ;) J Mike Weaver wrote: I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred Mensa sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; I agreed with Fred. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
3,2,1draw your cod soaked in plutoniumYa know I havent had that in a number of years, I think I will enjoy some tonight From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:39 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Well, as Thor's previous professor of Offensive Rhetoric and Circular Reasoning at Matchbook University, I'm very offended by your heartless comments.I challenge you to a duel: Lutefisk at 50 paces.Name your seconds, Sir.-WeaverFred Finch wrote: Useless words to live by. On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: no I find many of the topics here insitful and useful I had a professor once tell me If you are offended, then its your fault. If you offend me, then its my fault I live by that. *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list? On 9/13/06, * Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done *From*: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: "Fred Finch" *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofu
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LOL apparently spelling isn't on the mensa exam. Thor Burfine wrote: no I find many of the topics here insitful and useful I had a professor once tell me If you are offended, then its your fault. If you offend me, then its my fault I live by that. From: "Fred Finch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list? On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: "Fred Finch" *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Really? I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from the garden. J Mike Weaver wrote: Dear Joe, Well, now I'm offended. I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying to offend Thor. Nuts. How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and you can be offended Thursday and Friday? I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing compromise, and offend Fred for a while. Your only offense is that you were offended. My offense was muddying the waters. Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less. -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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It may be that Osama knows too much, and that some people would find it inconvenient to have him testify in a court. Regarding Osama has won - Immediately after 9/11, the UK-based Canadian commentator Gwyn Dyer remarked that the event was likely part of a strategic plan, and that we should think carefully before reacting and not follow the wishes of the planners. My guess is that Osama had read the Project For a New American Century long before and was happy to provide the new Pearl Harbor. To quote that grand old American philosopher Phineas T. Barnum, Never give a sucker a chance. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Mike Weaver wrote: Whole 'nother kettle of fish. I was responding to the notion that OBL didn't deserve due process - that the US has the right to just kill him because we feel like it - which I don't agree with. If GWB had had any sense he'd have kept the goodwill that radiated our way after 9/11 captured OBL AS he promised, and brought charges with the consent of the UN. I'd have to go looking, but I *do* (usual list caveat - don't have the citation at hand, so I'm not hanging my argument on it yet) think there's a tape of OBL claiming credit for 9/11 - which I think would suffice. As to the US and the ICC - well, we only want it applied to other countries. And I think GWB has managed to isolate the US from the entire world. I also can't say the US hasn't broken just about every convention there is. There's a piece in this week's Washington Post arguing that OBL has already won; the US just hasn't realized it yet. More later - have to go work. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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i got it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came on. -Johnny Cash Zeke Yewdall wrote: I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the libertarian/authoritarian. not sure what this means either, except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - *From:* Paul S Cantrell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason, You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa. I prefer the term Progressive. Ever taken the political compass test online? http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel
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no apology needed, and i really dont think the oil
through glass comment was appropriate either.
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I doubt it.and I do give a shit! (apologies to the
list)
On 9/13/06, Thor
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Actually, MensaI just don't give a
shi..
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And apparently you have the intelligence of a box
of sledgehammers as well...
On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a
sledgehammer
From: Joe Street
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13, 2006 7:25 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re:
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This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved
ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:
snip
My feeling on the middle east...
we can drill for oil through glass
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i tend not to be politically correct, but there are
reasonable limits and RULES man! follow them, and have your own opinion, just
dont try to insult people on purpose!
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I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the
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The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the
overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is
done
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13, 2006 8:44 AM
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so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even
cruel?
Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa
I just don't give a shi..
*From*: "Fred Finch"
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of a box of sledgehammers as well...
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Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a
sledgehammer
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney
...And you'll know it's me when I come through your town... from memory. YMMV Jason Katie wrote: i got it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came on. -Johnny Cash Zeke Yewdall wrote: I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the libertarian/authoritarian. not sure what this means either, except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - *From:* Paul S Cantrell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason, You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa. I prefer the term Progressive. Ever taken the political compass test online? http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org
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I do not agree with your statement. From my understanding of the word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less powerful entity. I do not believe that terrorists can bully the US because the terrorists are the underdogs. Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of do not walk away because he will just shoot you in the back. That sounds a lot like stay the course. I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals. If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it. But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face. I am making assumptions. I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power. I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the stay the course philosophy. He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would have died for nothing. (I pointed out that he forgot about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also) I retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been thrown. -Paul WebberOn 9/11/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When you run away froma bully, you only embolden him that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up. Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and we the people usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? this would be a REAL step in the right direction.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gregg DavidsonTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMike Weaver wrote:Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow allthat money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those storiesabout WMD in Iraq! Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promiseto catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice.Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him.Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political
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I'd get it one piece at a time And it wouldn't cost me a dime You'll know it's me when I come through your town I'm gonna ride around in style I'm gonna drive everybody wild 'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney ...And you'll know it's me when I come through your town... from memory. YMMV Jason Katie wrote: i got it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came on. -Johnny Cash Zeke Yewdall wrote: I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the libertarian/authoritarian. not sure what this means either, except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - *From:* Paul S Cantrell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason, You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa. I prefer the term Progressive. Ever taken the political compass test online? http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may
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A modern day Gettysburg. Pickett's last charge. Paul Webber wrote: I do not agree with your statement. From my understanding of the word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less powerful entity. I do not believe that terrorists can bully the US because the terrorists are the underdogs. Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of do not walk away because he will just shoot you in the back. That sounds a lot like stay the course. I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals. If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it. But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face. I am making assumptions. I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power. I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the stay the course philosophy. He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would have died for nothing. (I pointed out that he forgot about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also) I retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been thrown. -Paul Webber On 9/11/06, *Gregg Davidson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up. * */Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and we the people usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? this would be a REAL step in the right direction. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice. Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him. Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage
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Paul, I personally don't have any problem in believing that both Islamism and Neo-conservatism are messed-up ideologies (driven by religious intolerance on both sides and greed on one). There's no need to draw an either/or conclusion. Islam has been waging wars of conquest on its borders for a long time. However, with the US, they have a focus, an excuse. This doesn't mean that the US Government is right in its motives either. Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:54:47 -0400 From: Paul Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I do not agree with your statement. From my understanding of the word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less powerful entity. I do not believe that terrorists can bully the US because the terrorists are the underdogs. Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of do not walk away because he will just shoot you in the back. That sounds a lot like stay the course. I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals. If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it. But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face. I am making assumptions. I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power. I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the stay the course philosophy. He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would have died for nothing. (I pointed out that he forgot about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also) I retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been thrown. -Paul Webber snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Really? I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from the garden. You're right, it didn't. None too soon, by the looks of it. From farmwork to sewer maintenance, sigh, no rest for the wicked I suppose... Best Keith J Mike Weaver wrote: Dear Joe, Well, now I'm offended. I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying to offend Thor. Nuts. How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and you can be offended Thursday and Friday? I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing compromise, and offend Fred for a while. Your only offense is that you were offended. My offense was muddying the waters. Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less. -Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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i tend not to be politically correct, So does virtually the whole list tend not to be politically correct. But I don't think it's being politically correct to be somewhat irritated when oafish brutes such Thor has shown himself to be sneer at the plight of their victims and as a bonus we get told we're only offended because we're so politically correct. He's not the first one, it's part of the style. Well, dropping your pants in church will also stir it up, and it also won't get everyone thinking you're so intelligent you just have to be a Mensa member. Thor's results at the Political Compass do show traces of humanness, but what he's said here is sociopathic: I just don't give a shi... I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. I think thats all that matters in life. My motto... I don't care what you think This, extremely so: My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass The Political Compass errs. Before 9/11 and what followed I don't think anyone had it in their minds that Texas would probably make quite a good glass parking lot once it'd cooled down, but it's probably in more than a few minds these days. We're safer now, yeah right. Thor's big mistake: I used to consider myself an a$$ hole ... was to reconsider. but there are reasonable limits and RULES man! follow them, and have your own opinion, just dont try to insult people on purpose! Quite right. Goodbye Thor. Best Keith Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list? On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done From: bob allen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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NO! the classic goal of Islam is peace and prosperity, not what these FEW high profile whackos are making it out to be. ask any true Islamic person and they will tell you that war and killing is against everything the religion teaches, just like classic Christianity. the FEW whackos in the whitewash house are using Christianity to justify their war, just like the FEW whackos who claim Islam as a justification to kill. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Penfold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney snip Islam has been waging wars of conquest on its borders for a long time. However, with the US, they have a focus, an excuse. This doesn't mean that the US Government is right in its motives either. snip -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Jano Bua, Du denkst: Macht es nicht. Jason denkt: Es macht mir nichts. Ich denke: Mir ist es Wurst. hihihi Mach's guat. ;o) Pfüatdigod und Happy Happy, Gustl Tuesday, 12 September, 2006, 06:14:30, you wrote: FF Eh Jason, FF Your german needs some workover too et means :dont due it! FF Fritz FF - Original Message - FF From: Jason Katie FF To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org FF Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:05 PM FF Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney FF your german needs work. Machs /nicht/ means it makes nothing or it doesnt matter Machs nich is a sneeze... ...snip... -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Eh Gustl, you hit the Nail Fritz - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Fritz Friesinger Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jano Bua,Du denkst: Macht es nicht.Jason denkt: Es macht mir nichts.Ich denke: Mir ist es Wurst. hihihiMach's guat. ;o)Pfüatdigod und Happy Happy,GustlTuesday, 12 September, 2006, 06:14:30, you wrote:FF Eh Jason,FF Your german needs some workover too et means :dont due it!FF Fritz FF - Original Message - FF From: Jason Katie FF To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org FF Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:05 PMFF Subject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyFF your german needs work. Machs /nicht/ means " it makes nothing" or "it doesnt matter" Machs nich is a sneeze..snip...-- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails.The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.Those who dance are considered insane by those who can'thear the music. George CarlinThe best portion of a good man's life -His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.William Wordsworth___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Mike,Talk Like a Pirate Day is not until next Tuesday, September 19th.http://www.talklikeapirateday.comOn 9/11/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrgghh,Aye matey.Fred Finch wrote: Hey Weaver (Redler,) Got yer pirate costume on? fred-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA! ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well then... Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor[EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mike WeaverSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence. -Stephen Hawking ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Reminds me of the punchline to a joke I shouldn't tell... Paul S Cantrell wrote: You may be Thor, but I am perfect! Given that I am nobody. and nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect. HA! ;-D On 9/11/06, *Thor Burfine * [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well then... Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then I win... Thor [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney MY GOD. Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky. Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence. -Stephen Hawking ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Nuts. bob allen wrote: gosh, this list provides an astounding wealth of information. Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike, Talk Like a Pirate Day is not until next Tuesday, September 19th. http://www.talklikeapirateday.com On 9/11/06, * Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrgghh, Aye matey. Fred Finch wrote: Hey Weaver (Redler,) Got yer pirate costume on? fred -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Gregg, et aliter.[VIDEO] Please watch..Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam. Joe Fred Finch wrote: Let me get this straight... We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get WMD that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would last less than 6 months and have nearly Zero casualties, to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again? When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first. fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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So you are saying that the world should stand up to George Bush instead of cowering in fear like we are? J Gregg Davidson wrote: While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When you run away froma bully, you only embolden him that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Whole 'nother kettle of fish. I was responding to the notion that OBL didn't deserve due process - that the US has the right to just kill him because we feel like it - which I don't agree with. If GWB had had any sense he'd have kept the goodwill that radiated our way after 9/11 captured OBL AS he promised, and brought charges with the consent of the UN. I'd have to go looking, but I *do* (usual list caveat - don't have the citation at hand, so I'm not hanging my argument on it yet) think there's a tape of OBL claiming credit for 9/11 - which I think would suffice. As to the US and the ICC - well, we only want it applied to other countries. And I think GWB has managed to isolate the US from the entire world. I also can't say the US hasn't broken just about every convention there is. There's a piece in this week's Washington Post arguing that OBL has already won; the US just hasn't realized it yet. More later - have to go work. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Mike and all The Jihad that would have come from 'taking Osama' would have rivaled 9/11 several times over. Real Presidents weigh perceived costs versus gains withe information available.*Maybe yes, maybe no. Clinton had no intention of taking OBL because he wanted him prosecuted in the criminal justice system because like other Liberals he considered OBL to be a criminal.* Which is still what he is. What has he been convicted of? What is he charged with? Charges levelled against him do not make him a criminal until/unless he is convicted; until then he is presumed innocent. If such charges are levelled by the US, then it should be noted that the US is guilty of the illegal invasion of a sovereign state and of many other ongoing infringements of the Geneva Convention, and is in fact an international criminal. Can criminal charges brought by a criminal have any credibility? It seems that in the world at large Osama bin Laden has more credibility and commands more respect than does the US, especially Washington - very large numbers of people see the US as a criminal but they don't see Bin Laden as a criminal. Those who think this way have a point: they see Bin Laden as a master strategist who makes his all-powerful enemies do whatever he wants them to. Kind of hard to argue against that. AND HE DOESN'T TELL LIES. Best Keith Where's your point? Pretend Presidents declare war on nouns.*You forgot aspirin/ibuprofen/acetometephine factories empty buildings.* On 9/10/06, *Gregg Davidson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than that. The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened. */DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that? Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us. Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown Mike Weaver wrote: This talk is dangerous: Pascal's Wager Expresses the conviction that belief in God is rational; if God does not exist, one stands to lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one stands to lose everything by not believing. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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They found out about the drag stuff? That was Redler. His stage name is Pinkler. Joe Street wrote: It's actually Kim Reavler ( I hacked the NSA database) she cleverly took two male aliases by reversing her first name and playing silly buggers with the letters of her last name. And yes she does like to dress in drag. j Fred Finch wrote: Hey Weaver (Redler,) Got yer pirate costume on? fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi Keith...I guess since this is a "Disney" thread an animist must be one who loves animes! lol Not much of a fan of animes. However, I really miss the cartoons on Saturday morning I grew up with like Heckel and Jeckel, Mighty Mouse, the Warner Bros 'Toons,' etc. Now those were some real animists!!! Who was the main guy's voice behind the Warner Bros characters...Mel Blanc???We should all build little altars with candles burning to the ultimate animist...Mel Blanc! His immateriality infuses my materiality all these years after. lol Good morning. Mike - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of you yet! :-) Best Keith Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread "Disney" should eventually lead to a question of "god." Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert. By answering "whose god?" we get an idea of the god who is whose god, IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's god. I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby, the individual's or culture's behavior. For myself, having been raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists "god" at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and future. I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of course, along with it notions of "independence" and "freedom." All of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary dramatically. Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds us and what is my essence. Presently, I am saying consciousness and curiosity. What does this mean for my behavior? Obviously, it will depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy. Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not feel bad about myself because I'm not living some "pure" form of existence. Recently, I began to think of god in terms of "intelligent energy" and ultimately consciousness and curiosity. Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving itself as part of me who is conscious and curious. I had to stop and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering. I'm still there today when I have seen this post to the List and an opportunity to think out loud, if you will. Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness. Maybe. I'm satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of us are connected and that it is only "the devil in the details" that deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent than anything we can imagine. For some of us, sadly, this "devil" is the "god" that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to ever attempt a real understanding of "whose god?" "who is god?" Mike DuPree- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney bob allen wrote: Who's god? As in "who IS god"? Or "whose god"? The answer to that question is different in both cases! : - ) robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.cahttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Thanks Paul for posting. Gregg and his kind will never understand it, I'm so sad to say. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Gregg, et aliter.[VIDEO] Please watch..Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Paul S Cantrell wrote: [VIDEO] Please watch.. Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I think: "The ones we wish would listen are never going to hear." Thank you for posting this. I'm SO sick of being labeled a "liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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TouchéOn 9/12/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a problem with perfect.The problem is, if you are perfect then there is no room to grow.If there is no room to grow you become stagnateif you become stagnate then you become complacent if you become complacent you become your own imaginary friend.Therefore unless you are a God to begin with perfection is useless From: Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:58 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA! ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well then...Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor [EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney MY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence. -Stephen Hawking ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Here is another apt Rush line for you."Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand." John M. SimsSims Photographic214.507.1164simsphotographic.com On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:42 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote: Paul S Cantrell wrote: [VIDEO] Please watch.. Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I think: "The ones we wish would listen are never going to hear." Thank you for posting this. I'm SO sick of being labeled a "liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Now you make me feel old - remember Underdog? MK DuPree wrote: Hi Keith...I guess since this is a Disney thread an animist must be one who loves animes! lol Not much of a fan of animes. However, I really miss the cartoons on Saturday morning I grew up with like Heckel and Jeckel, Mighty Mouse, the Warner Bros 'Toons,' etc. Now those were some real animists!!! Who was the main guy's voice behind the Warner Bros characters...Mel Blanc??? We should all build little altars with candles burning to the ultimate animist...Mel Blanc! His immateriality infuses my materiality all these years after. lol Good morning. Mike - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of you yet! :-) Best Keith Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread Disney should eventually lead to a question of god. Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert. By answering whose god? we get an idea of the god who is whose god, IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's god. I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby, the individual's or culture's behavior. For myself, having been raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists god at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and future. I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of course, along with it notions of independence and freedom. All of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary dramatically. Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds us and what is my essence. Presently, I am saying consciousness and curiosity. What does this mean for my behavior? Obviously, it will depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy. Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not feel bad about myself because I'm not living some pure form of existence. Recently, I began to think of god in terms of intelligent energy and ultimately consciousness and curiosity. Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving itself as part of me who is conscious and curious. I had to stop and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering. I'm still there today when I have seen this post to the List and an opportunity to think out loud, if you will. Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness. Maybe. I'm satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of us are connected and that it is only the devil in the details that deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent than anything we can imagine. For some of us, sadly, this devil is the god that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to ever attempt a real understanding of whose god? who is god? Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shaw.ca To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney bob allen wrote: Who's god? As in who IS god? Or whose god? The answer to that question is different in both cases! : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.cahttp://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca%3Ehttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/%3Ehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
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I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. robert and benita rabello wrote: Paul S Cantrell wrote: [VIDEO] Please watch.. Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/09/11/holy-fucking-crap/ There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I think: The ones we wish would listen are never going to hear. Thank you for posting this. I'm SO sick of being labeled a liberal or terrorist sympathizer for simply disagreeing with the blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Cut and Run is a term coined by the Republicans to explain the complete Democratic solution (in three words or less, the max amount they can comprehend in one sitting). I suggest that the opposite (their solution) is Stay and Die. -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:58 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I think it's closer to two billion a week...and there a surprising number of Democrats in on the goodies at Carlyle... Bob Molloy wrote: Hi Fred, You mentioned a running debt' of two billion a month to support the Iraq venture but omitted to say that the money is not spent there, it's spent in the good ole US of A. The dollars go to the various members of the Carlyle Group whose military/industrial complex supplies American forces worldwide. For Carlisle Group read Bush, Cheny, the Saudi family and a scattering of the top hierarchy of the Republican Party. You didn't think the war was really about Bin Ladin, did you? Google Carlyle Group for details. Regards, Bob. Original Message - *From:* Fred Finch mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:46 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney Let me get this straight... We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get WMD that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would last less than 6 months and have nearly Zero casualties, to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again? When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first. fred On 9/11/06, *Gregg Davidson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up. * */Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and we the people usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? this would be a REAL step in the right direction. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice. Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him. Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
is it possible to be both? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
the title is appropriate... how in the hell did this get on the air without being stifled? i love it! SHOW ME MORE! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/09/11/holy-fucking-crap/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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? i guess ill have to look that one up... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason Katie wrote: is it possible to be both? Only if you're Libertarian . . . : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Jason Katie wrote: is it possible to be both? Only if you're Libertarian . . . : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself.On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Disney- these memorials
These September 11 memorials are extremely difficult for me because I do not now and have never believed this was the work of outside terrorists. Several years ago I watched a documentary about the bringing down of .. I think it was the Sears building .. or some old icon in .. maybe Michigan (or some other state - details are fuzzy). A demolition company specializing in this line of work was filmed from the planning stage .. as they inspected, planned, set the explosives, pushed the timer and brought that building down. I remember very clearly the sight of how that building folded into itself. This demolition was preceded by a miniscule inspection of the entire building .. crawling through walls and ceilings inspecting things like steel structure, riveting, any weakness that may have happened during the years since it was built. The actual planning stage was using the original blue prints plus all updates over the years. These plus the inspection notes were used in deciding where the charges were to be placed. There were thousands of charges in all support positions on both the outside framing and interior stairwells and elevator shafts of this building. The idea being that the interior charges would go fractions of moments before the exterior charges bringing the outside walls toward the center. The second stage was the physical placing of the charges and the timers .. taking into account any of those now existing weaknesses .. a huge engineering task. These charges must be placed in precision order and the timers must go off EXACTLY in the right order .. the results have the building folding in on itself floor by floor .. and in this documentary this was a successful demolition. .. in short .. there is weeks and months or longer of work involved to bring about a controlled demolition. .. an explosion out of this precision order could topple the building .. having it lay down lengthwise. 2 planes hit and 3 buildings were brought down .. 1 building had a small fire that did not and could not have caused structural damage. I don't believe I am the only one who watched that horrible day as those buildings collapsed perfectly down into themselves ... and had their blood run cold .. because, if what I was witnessing was true, then this attack could only have come from home. There is no other way in my mind that anyone without official, authorized consent could possibly have had such intimate contact with those buildings over months of time .. because there is no other way that all 3 buildings could have happened the way they did. I knew then and I know it now .. these were controlled demolitions. I also know that the horror I feel is more so because I believe my own did it to me. My heart twists to know that there are so many others who believe as I do and have the additional burden of having lost a loved one in that fury. Mary Lynn Schmidt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Mike Weaver wrote: I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative. But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! It just doesn't make a lot of difference, IMHO, just as long as we can be honest with each other, and especially with ourselves. Now whose wing are you under, that's another matter - jerking the left knee's no better and no dumber than jerking the right one, and the views and cherished notions come from elsewhere. Puppets on a string. Best Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Very good commentary. Right on! Keith O. Thanks, Paul. BushCo is an unmitigated disaster. Looking into the Ground Zero hole invokes the same feeling I get when seeing Bush or Cheney on the tube. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Gregg, et aliter. [VIDEO] Please watch.. Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/444 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the libertarian/authoritarian. not sure what this means either, except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scaleOn 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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according to the definitions given on the quiz page and some reading (i used wikipedia) and a little bit of 2+2 i found a definition that makes sense to me- anarcho-communist with a heavy dose of egalitarianism. after reading all this stuff, i am still inclined to hate the government (its evil, just like mickey mouse) and think that you should be able to do what you want with what you have as long as you dont hurt anyone or anything. i dont know if the definition is solid, but according to how i think compared to what i read it works. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up... JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself. On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.
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Wasn't Vietnam a drawJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.JoeFred Finch wrote: Let me get this straight... We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again? When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first. fred ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ On Yahoo!7 The new Yahoo!7 TV home page features highlights and popular picks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I'd say Vietnam suffered far more than the USA. I think something like 3 million Vietnamese died. Millions more wounded. We left mines, toxic chemicals, big craters throughout the landscape, for them to contend with. But we Americans lost too. We lost any claims to being the Good Guys. It was an ugly war and totally useless. It was a money maker though for the defense industry though. It is amazing that so many Vietnamese have immigrated to the US and are so friendly to Americans. My wife and I have some Vietnamese friends that have been in the US about a year and they are so nice to us. It is uplifting that people can be so forgiving. I think they realize that it is governments that make war and that ordinary people love peace. It seems like a war every fifteen years or so used to be good enough. But anymore, war are coming more often. Now we glorify war. We spread democracy through war. We are ensuring energy security through war. War boosts our economy. Forget that our troops are dying and suffering terrible wounds or that 100 Iraqis die each day. Or the 8 to 10 billion dollars a month the war in Iraq costs. Or the total loss of the international respect that the USA used to have. Argh! Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: leo bunyan To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Wasn't Vietnam a draw Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam. Joe Fred Finch wrote: Let me get this straight... We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get WMD that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would last less than 6 months and have nearly Zero casualties, to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again? When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first. fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Keith, contrary to what you appear to think, I do my home work every day. That's how I'm able to see through the lies, double standards. If any media organization in this country publishes/broadcasts TOP SECRET information purely designed to aid the enemy, then their "proctection" goes right out the window they should be prosectued as traitors. Lately, The New York Times comes to mind as having done something like this. It seems as long as a President has a "D" next to his name, he can do NO wrong. Yeah, right, I have some swamp land out in New Mexico I'd like to sell you.I'll address your other e-mails later as I have to leave for work now. The stimulation is fun.Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Keith, that's not what I'm saying.A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it. If President Bush did the things that made Clinton famous, or infamous, I'd be screaming for him to be impreached too. There are things that the President is doing, as well as not doing, that I take exception to. I don't see the present administration threatening to pull the license of a broadcast network, or trying violate ABC's First Amendment Right, but the Democrat/Liberals are. They're calling out the figurative Storm Troopers, which is the typical scare tactic.Er, you haven't noticed the current administration's antics with the FCC, eg, and with just about every media protection the US ever had? Maybe you sh (a) wake up just a little and (b) do some homework (a helluva lot) - the list archives is a great place to start.BestKeithKeith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight.So Gregg, it doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as longas it supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil ones(Clinton), is that what you're saying?BestKeith Mike Weaver wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble.Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521Dear Mr. Iger,We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, â*When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â*Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.Despite claims by your networkâ*s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners
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Gregg,Boy, that hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it? If Clinton knew what was coming on 9/11, of course he would have ordered the shot, but at the time, Pearl Harbor was the last attack on US soil.The Jihad that would have come from 'taking Osama' would have rivaled 9/11 several times over. Real Presidents weigh perceived costs versus gains withe information available. Pretend Presidents declare war on nouns.On 9/10/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than that. The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened.DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that?Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened.-dave___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Gregg, Why did you introduce a couple red herrings? It seems that you are only interested in winning an argument. You will never arrive at the truth that way. Also you will never win; not on this forum anyway. My two cents. Peace, D. Mindock P.S. Leave your ego at the door before entering Journey to Forever. You'll have a much smoother ride that way. - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Keith, contrary to what you appear to think, I do my home work every day. That's how I'm able to see through the lies, double standards. If any media organization in this country publishes/broadcasts TOP SECRET information purely designed to aid the enemy, then their proctection goes right out the window they should be prosectued as traitors. Lately, The New York Times comes to mind as having done something like this. It seems as long as a President has a D next to his name, he can do NO wrong. Yeah, right, I have some swamp land out in New Mexico I'd like to sell you. I'll address your other e-mails later as I have to leave for work now. The stimulation is fun. Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Keith, that's not what I'm saying. A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it. If President Bush did the things that made Clinton famous, or infamous, I'd be screaming for him to be impreached too. There are things that the President is doing, as well as not doing, that I take exception to. I don't see the present administration threatening to pull the license of a broadcast network, or trying violate ABC's First Amendment Right, but the Democrat/Liberals are. They're calling out the figurative Storm Troopers, which is the typical scare tactic. Er, you haven't noticed the current administration's antics with the FCC, eg, and with just about every media protection the US ever had? Maybe you sh (a) wake up just a little and (b) do some homework (a helluva lot) - the list archives is a great place to start. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. So Gregg, it doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as long as it supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil ones (Clinton), is that what you're saying? Best Keith Mike Weaver wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*Ts plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries
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Gregg Davidson wrote: */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? You skipped one. And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! *Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.* I never made that claim. All presidents lie, unless maybe they're Jimmy Carter. He told us all this would happen with the energy crunch, and we voted him out and went to buy giant SUV's. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. *I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice.* I wouldn't say Clinton handled OBL particularly well, but he didn't go on national television and swear to catch OBL, either. Bush did, and hasn't. The logic *is* a little off. Assuming all regarding 9/11 is reasonably true, we're attacked by OBL, so we topple what was a rotten government in Afganistan, lose interest, ignore our promises to help them rebuild, and go invade Iraq? Now we've opened a huge geopolitical hole for the Iranians to exploit, and they'll wind up with all of Southern Iraq and its oil fields, unless we pretty much stay forever. Not too shrewd, IMHO. Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame.* I'm not at fault, I was dumb enough to vote for him.* Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.�
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Keith, that's classified. We've been listening to your phone calls, and now we're going have to use an extraordinary rendition to place you in Guantanamo bay, where we'll keep you without any trial. Keith Addison wrote: No Keith, that's not what I'm saying. A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it. If President Bush did the things that made Clinton famous, or infamous, I'd be screaming for him to be impreached too. There are things that the President is doing, as well as not doing, that I take exception to. I don't see the present administration threatening to pull the license of a broadcast network, or trying violate ABC's First Amendment Right, but the Democrat/Liberals are. They're calling out the figurative Storm Troopers, which is the typical scare tactic. Er, you haven't noticed the current administration's antics with the FCC, eg, and with just about every media protection the US ever had? Maybe you sh (a) wake up just a little and (b) do some homework (a helluva lot) - the list archives is a great place to start. Best Keith Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. So Gregg, it doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as long as it supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil ones (Clinton), is that what you're saying? Best Keith Mike Weaver wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*™s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, â*œWhen you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â*� Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your networkâ*™s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, â*œAs we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâ*™s findings the way that they had.â*� [â*œ9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â*� New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has
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Mike, you can deal with the Iranians after you get that crabgrass out of your yard! On Monday, September 11, 2006 7:49 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: Now we've opened a huge geopolitical hole for the Iranians to exploit, and they'll wind up with all of Southern Iraq and its oil fields, unless we pretty much stay forever. Not too shrewd, IMHO. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, guys, but the only thing we're upset about is the price of gas. -'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that? Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? I believe some foreign civilians might have been killed too, just in case anyone's interested. ICH: 62,006 - 180,000, The number killed in the 'war on terror' http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14906.htm Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War? As Many As 250,000 http://www.marchforjustice.com/shockawe.php Eg. And the rest! All strangely invisible from within the borders of the US somehow. Best Keith Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us. Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Most of them don't wreck pretty much everything they touch, plunge the world into war, bankrupt the treasury, spy on everyday Americans, widen the gap between rich and poor, load up their wealthy friends with giveaways from a inherited surplus... Jason Katie wrote: oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and we the people usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? this would be a REAL step in the right direction. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice. Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I was dumb enough to vote for him. Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.� Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your network’s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, “As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission’s findings the way that they had.� [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,� New
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BTW, one of the most shameful episodes in recent US history was rounding up ONLY Japanese citizens, no matter how long they's been here, and putting them in camps. No German nor Italians were treated the same way. This was under a democratic administration - the same one that turned away Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler. So, no, it's not just a Republican/Democrat thing. It's a Bush thing. Trying to pin the last 4/5 years on Clinton is just too much of a stretch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I hear a barrel of crude oil does a good job of killing crabgrass (and otters, should you have any of those) On Monday, September 11, 2006 8:33 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:33:17 -0400 From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I'm going to put Monsanto brand Glucophosphate on it. DHAJOGLO wrote: Mike, you can deal with the Iranians after you get that crabgrass out of your yard! On Monday, September 11, 2006 7:49 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: Now we've opened a huge geopolitical hole for the Iranians to exploit, and they'll wind up with all of Southern Iraq and its oil fields, unless we pretty much stay forever. Not too shrewd, IMHO. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I'm going to put Monsanto brand Glucophosphate on it. DHAJOGLO wrote: Mike, you can deal with the Iranians after you get that crabgrass out of your yard! On Monday, September 11, 2006 7:49 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: Now we've opened a huge geopolitical hole for the Iranians to exploit, and they'll wind up with all of Southern Iraq and its oil fields, unless we pretty much stay forever. Not too shrewd, IMHO. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Yeah, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD A BARREL OF OIL. Why do you think I'm on this list ;-) DHAJOGLO wrote: I hear a barrel of crude oil does a good job of killing crabgrass (and otters, should you have any of those) On Monday, September 11, 2006 8:33 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:33:17 -0400 From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I'm going to put Monsanto brand Glucophosphate on it. DHAJOGLO wrote: Mike, you can deal with the Iranians after you get that crabgrass out of your yard! On Monday, September 11, 2006 7:49 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: Now we've opened a huge geopolitical hole for the Iranians to exploit, and they'll wind up with all of Southern Iraq and its oil fields, unless we pretty much stay forever. Not too shrewd, IMHO. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Gregg Davidson wrote: I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than that. The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened. Who's god? */DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that? Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us. Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta- Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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bob allen wrote: Who's god? As in who IS god? Or whose god? The answer to that question is different in both cases! : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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bob allen wrote: oops, I meant whose god. Ah, it's certainly not the one I know and honor! : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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oops, I meant whose god. robert and benita rabello wrote: bob allen wrote: Who's god? As in who IS god? Or whose god? The answer to that question is different in both cases! : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread "Disney" should eventually lead to a question of "god." Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert. By answering "whose god?" we get an idea of the god who is whose god, IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's god. I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand an individual's or culture's god, we have our bestopportunity to understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby, the individual's or culture's behavior.For myself, having been raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced any membership, I havestruggled with whether or not there exists "god" at all, and if so, how?Consequently, perhaps this is at least one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and future. I cannotdeny that separateness is an illusion and, of course, along with it notions of "independence" and "freedom." All of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary dramatically. Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds us and what is my essence. Presently, I am saying consciousness and curiosity. What does this mean for my behavior? Obviously, it will depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy. Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not feel bad about myself because I'm not living some "pure" form of existence. Recently, I began to think of god in terms of "intelligent energy" and ultimately consciousness and curiosity. Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving itself as part of me who is conscious and curious. I had to stop and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering. I'm still there today when I have seen this post to the List and an opportunity to think out loud, if you will. Maybe all of this israndom meaninglessness. Maybe.I'm satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not,all of usareconnected and that it is only "the devil in the details" that deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps,a reality more magnificent than anything we can imagine. For some ofus,sadly, this "devil" is the "god" that motivates us, making itseemingly impossible to ever attempta real understanding of "whose god?" "who is god?" Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "robert and benita rabello" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney bob allen wrote: Who's god? As in "who IS god"? Or "whose god"? The answer to that question is different in both cases! : - ) robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
