[Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it together. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected. The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the Internet. Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words in the Google search box :shielded rooms or EMP or NEMP or Faraday cages or anechoic chamber. I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned. The Polyphaser Corporation www.polyphaser.com Here are some Pointers: - The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html Nuclear Weapons Effects Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Electromagnetic Pulse http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
In a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert Date: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/A To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it together. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected. The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the Internet. Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words in the Google search box :shielded rooms or EMP or NEMP or Faraday cages or anechoic chamber. I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned. The Polyphaser Corporation www.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/ Here are some Pointers: - The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html Nuclear Weapons Effects Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm http://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Electromagnetic Pulse http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all ought to give them a leg up. greg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
Hello Rich On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Maybe in theory. The atmosphere N-tests didn't do that, did they? Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. But EMP is not exactly news, or at least it's very old news. I wonder if anyone can tell me why the US, military and otherwise, paid EMP so little attention during the Cold War era - AFAIK the military gear wasn't/isn't EMP-proof, yet the Soviet stuff was. I think the Soviet Foxbat for instance is mainly mechanical, with minimal electronics. Maybe the electronics faction of the old military-industrial complex wouldn't have got their cut otherwise? Anyway, what's a terrorist bomb as opposed to an ordinary bomb, I mean an official bomb, you know, one a government owns or something, with a flag painted on it? One's in uniform, the other maybe isn't, but do you think the EMP will notice? Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it together. EMP's not so bad, at least if that's all that's bothering you then at least you survived the blast, and maybe even the radiation. So far anyway, these things tend to escalate. EMP, blast and radiation, you've all been in it together for 50 years or more, and so have we. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected. If it happens, otherwise they won't be affected. You seem to take it as a given that it will happen. I wouldn't say it won't happen, but isn't this just a bit (yet another bit) of scare-mongering that you're falling for? Severe earthquakes definitely will happen in San Francisco and Tokyo, some time or other, but meanwhile life goes on. They don't pretend it won't happen, but they get on with life anyway. What was the last thing that was definitely going to mean the end of CAWKI, let alone the economy, Y2K wasn't it? The last thing other than Saddam's massive stockpiles of WMDs, that is. LOL! Shock-horror is the wrong response, it's likely to have the opposite of the desired effect, just as lashing out at Afghanistan and Iraq have done, leaving Americans much less safe than they were before, and probably increasing the chances of a terrorist nuclear attack. Maybe C-SPAN should have aired Dr Strangelove instead. Best wishes Keith The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the Internet. Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words in the Google search box :shielded rooms or EMP or NEMP or Faraday cages or anechoic chamber. I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned. The Polyphaser Corporation http://www.polyphaser.com/>www.polyphaser.com Here are some Pointers: - The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html>http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html Nuclear Weapons Effects http://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm>Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm>http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Electromagnetic Pulse http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm>http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
Title: RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert We use these polyphaser lightning arrestors on all our solar array installs. we have several lightning prevention devices we use that are ALSO rated for EMP at least it says so on the box blah blah up to xxx joules of surge at xxx nanosecond clamp time they are really not all that expensive considering how much the arrays and inverters cost mel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 2:13 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert In a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert Date: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF="" href="mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org">mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/A To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it together. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected. The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the Internet. Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words in the Google search box :shielded rooms or EMP or NEMP or Faraday cages or anechoic chamber. I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned. The Polyphaser Corporation www.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/ Here are some Pointers: - The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html Nuclear Weapons Effects Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm http://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Electromagnetic Pulse http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all ought to give them a leg up. greg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
Title: RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert The Chinese and the Vietnamese know all about these technologies and are not afraid of telling us about that they do. It is all over their newspapers. Like a snake that will strike if you get too close, the Bush administration better beware. The American Army doesn't have total supremacy anymore. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use these polyphaser lightning arrestors on all our solar array installs. we have several lightning prevention devices we use that are ALSO rated for EMP at least it says so on the box blah blah up to xxx joules of surge at xxx nanosecond clamp time they are really not all that expensive considering how much the arrays and inverters cost mel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 2:13 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert In a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert Date: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=""mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org">mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org" Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/A To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it together. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected. The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the Internet. Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words in the Google search box :"shielded rooms" or "EMP" or "NEMP" or "Faraday cages" or "anechoic chamber". I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned. The Polyphaser Corporation www.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/ Here are some Pointers: - The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html Nuclear Weapons Effects Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm http://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Electromagnetic Pulse http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all ought to give them a leg up. greg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
That strikes me as too elaborate and expensive for a strictly private terrorist organization. However, it would be just the thing for a hostile state that wanted to terminate the Project for a New American Century and/or the consumer of 1/4 of the world's oil, and could figure out how to do the job anonymously. Al Queda is not unreservedly hostile to infidels; they have their uses as subservient suppliers of manufactured goods, and purchasers of oil at preferably US$144 per barrel, or so Osama says. I suspect that cheap oil for China is not one of their goals. Regarding possible perps, it's true that China wants oil, but they also want markets. What to do, what to do... Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
Actually it is damn difficult to do. Lightning is the commonest emp most of us are familiar with. The strretlights in Hawaii got blown out many years ago but I think that was Bimini. H bombs are pretty exotic. The battlefield emp weapons haveeffective radiuses measured in hundreds of meters not km. KirkMel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use these polyphaser lightning arrestors on all our solar array installs.we have several lightning prevention devices we use that are ALSO rated for EMPat least it says so on the boxblah blah up to xxx joules of surge at xxx nanosecond clamp timethey are really not all that expensive considering how much the arrays and inverters costmel-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 2:13 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgCc:Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse AlertIn a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse AlertDate: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r)Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-to: A HREF=""mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org">mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org"Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ATo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgOn C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terroristnuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices:computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars,trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, somany doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclearbomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronicsas far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPANshowed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a longtime, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions ofcasualties.Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in ittogether. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected.The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't getmoney out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product orservice. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'Tbe able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronicshaven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on theInternet.Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these wordsin the Google search box :"shielded rooms" or "EMP" or "NEMP" or"Faraday cages" or "anechoic chamber".I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned.The Polyphaser Corporationwww.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/Here are some Pointers:- The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destructionhttp://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.htmlNuclear Weapons EffectsWww.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htmhttp://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effectshttp://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htmElectromagnetic Pulsehttp://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all oughtto give them a leg up.greg___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
I believe the US used EMT weapons in the early days if the invasion of Iraq. Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert Actually it is damn difficult to do. Lightning is the commonest emp most of us are familiar with. The strretlights in Hawaii got blown out many years ago but I think that was Bimini. H bombs are pretty exotic. The battlefield emp weapons haveeffective radiuses measured in hundreds of meters not km. KirkMel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use these polyphaser lightning arrestors on all our solar array installs.we have several lightning prevention devices we use that are ALSO rated for EMPat least it says so on the boxblah blah up to xxx joules of surge at xxx nanosecond clamp timethey are really not all that expensive considering how much the arrays and inverters costmel-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 2:13 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgCc:Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse AlertIn a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse AlertDate: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Easte! rn Daylight TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r)Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-to: A HREF=""mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org">mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org"Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ATo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgOn C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terroristnuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices:computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars,trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, somany doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclearbomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronicsas far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPANshowed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a longn! bsp;time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions ofcasualties.Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in ittogether. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected.The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't getmoney out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product orservice. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'Tbe able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronicshaven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on theInternet.Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these wordsin the Google search box :"shielded rooms" or "EMP" or "NEMP" or"Faraday cages" or "anechoic chamber".I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned.The Polyphaser Corporationwww.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/Here are some Pointers:- The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destructionhttp://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.htmlNuclear Weapons EffectsWww.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htmhttp://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effectshttp://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htmElectr! omagnetic Pulsehttp://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all oughtto give them a leg up.greg___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/list
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Anyway, what's a terrorist bomb as opposed to an ordinary bomb, I mean an official bomb, you know, one a government owns or something, with a flag painted on it? Keith Addison 7/1/2005 10:30 GMT Keith Addison wrote: Hello Rich On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices: computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars, trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics as far away as 3700 miles. Maybe in theory. The atmosphere N-tests didn't do that, did they? Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of casualties. But EMP is not exactly news, or at least it's very old news. I wonder if anyone can tell me why the US, military and otherwise, paid EMP so little attention during the Cold War era - AFAIK the military gear wasn't/isn't EMP-proof, yet the Soviet stuff was. I think the Soviet Foxbat for instance is mainly mechanical, with minimal electronics. Maybe the electronics faction of the old military-industrial complex wouldn't have got their cut otherwise? Anyway, what's a terrorist bomb as opposed to an ordinary bomb, I mean an official bomb, you know, one a government owns or something, with a flag painted on it? One's in uniform, the other maybe isn't, but do you think the EMP will notice? Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it together. EMP's not so bad, at least if that's all that's bothering you then at least you survived the blast, and maybe even the radiation. So far anyway, these things tend to escalate. EMP, blast and radiation, you've all been in it together for 50 years or more, and so have we. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected. If it happens, otherwise they won't be affected. You seem to take it as a given that it will happen. I wouldn't say it won't happen, but isn't this just a bit (yet another bit) of scare-mongering that you're falling for? Severe earthquakes definitely will happen in San Francisco and Tokyo, some time or other, but meanwhile life goes on. They don't pretend it won't happen, but they get on with life anyway. What was the last thing that was definitely going to mean the end of CAWKI, let alone the economy, Y2K wasn't it? The last thing other than Saddam's massive stockpiles of WMDs, that is. LOL! Shock-horror is the wrong response, it's likely to have the opposite of the desired effect, just as lashing out at Afghanistan and Iraq have done, leaving Americans much less safe than they were before, and probably increasing the chances of a terrorist nuclear attack. Maybe C-SPAN should have aired Dr Strangelove instead. Best wishes Keith The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the Internet. Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words in the Google search box :shielded rooms or EMP or NEMP or Faraday cages or anechoic chamber. I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned. The Polyphaser Corporation http://www.polyphaser.com/www.polyphaser.com Here are some Pointers: - *The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction * http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.htmlhttp://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html Nuclear Weapons Effects http://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htmWww.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm *Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects *http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htmhttp://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Electromagnetic Pulse http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htmhttp://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list
Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
Oops, make that EMP. We are using plenty of EMT's now tho. Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert Actually it is damn difficult to do. Lightning is the commonest emp most of us are familiar with. The strretlights in Hawaii got blown out many years ago but I think that was Bimini. H bombs are pretty exotic. The battlefield emp weapons haveeffective radiuses measured in hundreds of meters not km. KirkMel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use these polyphaser lightning arrestors on all our solar array installs.we have several lightning prevention devices we use that are ALSO rated for EMPat least it says so on the boxblah blah up to xxx joules of surge at xxx nanosecond clamp timethey are really not all that expensive considering how much the arrays and inverters costmel-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 2:13 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgCc:Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse AlertIn a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse AlertDate: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Easte! rn Daylight TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r)Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-to: A HREF=""mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org">mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org"Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ATo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgOn C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terroristnuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices:computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars,trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, somany doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclearbomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronicsas far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPANshowed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a longn! bsp;time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions ofcasualties.Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in ittogether. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected.The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't getmoney out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product orservice. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'Tbe able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronicshaven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on theInternet.Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these wordsin the Google search box :"shielded rooms" or "EMP" or "NEMP" or"Faraday cages" or "anechoic chamber".I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned.The Polyphaser Corporationwww.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/Here are some Pointers:- The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destructionhttp://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.htmlNuclear Weapons EffectsWww.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htmhttp://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm Nuclear Weapon EMP Effectshttp://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htmElectr! omagnetic Pulsehttp://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all oughtto give them a leg up.greg___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainabl
