Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changes
Tom, Good question. I decided to find out for sure. Here is a link which says: Science is a weekly, peer-reviewed journal that publishes significant original scientific research, plus reviews and analyses of current research and science policy. Our offices in Washington, D.C., and Cambridge, U.K., welcome submissions from all fields of science and from any source. Competition for space in Science is keen, and many papers are returned without in-depth review. Priority is given to papers that reveal novel concepts of broad interest. We are committed to the prompt evaluation and publication of submitted papers. For the quickest and most efficient processing of your manuscript, please follow the guidelines and procedures laid out in this author help site: http://www.sciencemag.org/about/authors/ He also sites papers published in Nature which is considered by many to be the premier peer-reveiwed journal on original new research work, but I do not have a suscription and I have not been able to get to the actual article text that he cited as it is not free online. Mike McGinness Tom Irwin wrote: > Hello Martin and All, I have a simple question. Where is the author´s > substantial evidence? Science mag.org may not be a peer reviewed > journal. Tom > > - > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changes
Hello Martin and All, I have a simple question. Where is the author´s substantial evidence? Science mag.org may not be a peer reviewed journal. Tom From: Martin Kemple [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:59:04 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changesYou mean we can't blame the right-wing and SUV crowd anymore?On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Mike McGinness wrote:> I ran into something new (to me) recently on the topic of global> warming, CO2 and the greenhouse gas issue that I decided to follow up > on> today to see if there was anything to it.>> I have spent an entire day reading and searching the internet on the> topic and here are the best links to what I found listed below. But> first let me try to briefly introduce and summarize the highlights of> what I found.>> The main author claims that there is substantial evidence that recent> fluctuations (increases) in the amount of heat released to the earth's> oceans from the earths core has heated the oceans, raising their> temperature and thus resulting in the rapid release of CO2 to the> atmosphere (due to equilibrium shifts in CO2 solubility as a function > of> ocean water temperature) as well as rapid losses of ice at both polar> ice caps. They are claiming that thermodynamic analysis of the changes> in temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere combined with the huge> difference in heat capacity of the ocean (liquid water) versus the> atmosphere (gases) suggest that the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere > is> not the major cause of global warming but that the earths core is> cyclically heating the oceans and forcing the oceans to release CO2 to> the atmosphere. The difference in heat capacity between liquid water > and> air is several orders of magnitude (liquid water has about 1000 times> the heat capacity of air).>> A lot of their thermodynamic and chemical equilibrium arguments make a> lot of sense to me. If they are correct and if their predictions of> where the weather is headed as a result is also correct ( see climate> and ice ages at http://nov55.com/cli.html and super storms at> http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/ and the "Day after> Tomorrow" http://www.cambodianonline.net/earth04014.htm ), we need to> do a lot more than just reduce CO2 emissions.>> You can find the rest of the details in the links below.>>> Theory on Hot Spot Rotating within the Earth at:> http://nov55.com/thry.html>> Heat in the Earth's Core at:> http://nov55.com/heat.html>> A page with a lot more interesting links:> http://www.cambodianonline.net/homeearthchanges.htm>> Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing at:> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5323/215? > rbfvrToken=9b3e6a97683c69e3ba0c9f60006b6165cdf21028>>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changes
It's the aliens over in adromeda. Every 100,000 years they wake up and microwave a burrito for breakfast, and the stray radiation from their microwave heats the earth upOn 3/20/06, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mike McGinness wrote: I ran into something new (to me) recently on the topic of globalwarming, CO2 and the greenhouse gas issue that I decided to follow up ontoday to see if there was anything to it.I have spent an entire day reading and searching the internet on the topic and here are the best links to what I found listed below. Butfirst let me try to briefly introduce and summarize the highlights ofwhat I found.The main author claims that there is substantial evidence that recent fluctuations (increases) in the amount of heat released to the earth'soceans from the earths core has heated the oceans, raising theirtemperature and thus resulting in the rapid release of CO2 to theatmosphere (due to equilibrium shifts in CO2 solubility as a function of ocean water temperature) as well as rapid losses of ice at both polar You can certainly color me skeptical. I only looked at the nov55.com site for climate analysis and the rotating hot-spot. That said, the idea that CO2 is being added to the atmosphere by the warming of the oceans releasing CO2 rather than from man-made causes is absurd on the face of it. Think about the rise in ocean levels due to global warming. Half or so of it is supposed to be from the ice caps melting; the other half is from all the water warming up. If this guy had it right that the oceans have already warmed up enough to be releasing trapped CO2 they'd also have expanded and the water levels would be a lot more than an inch higher over the last 50 years. The other thing I notice about the site is that this self proclaimed biologist offers quite a variety of opinions on topics ranging from prions , global warming, flouride, and transgenic crops. Nowhere, however, do I see a single reference - everything is simply stated as a fact. For example: It seems likely that ice ages on earth are caused by a nuclear hot spot in the core rotating toward the surface and heating the Pacific Ocean. The primary evidence for this is that the past ten ice ages have been cycling at 100 thousand year intervals. Environmental changes are not apt to be so cyclic, but a convectional oscillation in the earth's core could be. It's quite significant that a large number of coral reefs are dying from over-heating. Humans are not causing the oceans to over-heat; it appears to be caused by heat from the earth's core. OK, I guess, if a biologist says so. But maybe some calculations would help? --- David ice caps. They are claiming that thermodynamic analysis of the changesin temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere combined with the hugedifference in heat capacity of the ocean (liquid water) versus the atmosphere (gases) suggest that the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere isnot the major cause of global warming but that the earths core iscyclically heating the oceans and forcing the oceans to release CO2 to the atmosphere. The difference in heat capacity between liquid water andair is several orders of magnitude (liquid water has about 1000 timesthe heat capacity of air).A lot of their thermodynamic and chemical equilibrium arguments make a lot of sense to me. If they are correct and if their predictions ofwhere the weather is headed as a result is also correct ( see climateand ice ages at http://nov55.com/cli.html and super storms athttp://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/ and the "Day afterTomorrow" http://www.cambodianonline.net/earth04014.htm ), we need todo a lot more than just reduce CO2 emissions.You can find the rest of the details in the links below.Theory on Hot Spot Rotating within the Earth at: http://nov55.com/thry.html Heat in the Earth's Core at: http://nov55.com/heat.html A page with a lot more interesting links: http://www.cambodianonline.net/homeearthchanges.htm Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing at: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5323/215?rbfvrToken=9b3e6a97683c69e3ba0c9f60006b6165cdf21028 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changes
Mike McGinness wrote: I ran into something new (to me) recently on the topic of global warming, CO2 and the greenhouse gas issue that I decided to follow up on today to see if there was anything to it. I have spent an entire day reading and searching the internet on the topic and here are the best links to what I found listed below. But first let me try to briefly introduce and summarize the highlights of what I found. The main author claims that there is substantial evidence that recent fluctuations (increases) in the amount of heat released to the earth's oceans from the earths core has heated the oceans, raising their temperature and thus resulting in the rapid release of CO2 to the atmosphere (due to equilibrium shifts in CO2 solubility as a function of ocean water temperature) as well as rapid losses of ice at both polar You can certainly color me skeptical. I only looked at the nov55.com site for climate analysis and the rotating hot-spot. That said, the idea that CO2 is being added to the atmosphere by the warming of the oceans releasing CO2 rather than from man-made causes is absurd on the face of it. Think about the rise in ocean levels due to global warming. Half or so of it is supposed to be from the ice caps melting; the other half is from all the water warming up. If this guy had it right that the oceans have already warmed up enough to be releasing trapped CO2 they'd also have expanded and the water levels would be a lot more than an inch higher over the last 50 years. The other thing I notice about the site is that this self proclaimed biologist offers quite a variety of opinions on topics ranging from prions , global warming, flouride, and transgenic crops. Nowhere, however, do I see a single reference - everything is simply stated as a fact. For example: It seems likely that ice ages on earth are caused by a nuclear hot spot in the core rotating toward the surface and heating the Pacific Ocean. The primary evidence for this is that the past ten ice ages have been cycling at 100 thousand year intervals. Environmental changes are not apt to be so cyclic, but a convectional oscillation in the earth's core could be. It's quite significant that a large number of coral reefs are dying from over-heating. Humans are not causing the oceans to over-heat; it appears to be caused by heat from the earth's core. OK, I guess, if a biologist says so. But maybe some calculations would help? --- David ice caps. They are claiming that thermodynamic analysis of the changes in temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere combined with the huge difference in heat capacity of the ocean (liquid water) versus the atmosphere (gases) suggest that the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere is not the major cause of global warming but that the earths core is cyclically heating the oceans and forcing the oceans to release CO2 to the atmosphere. The difference in heat capacity between liquid water and air is several orders of magnitude (liquid water has about 1000 times the heat capacity of air). A lot of their thermodynamic and chemical equilibrium arguments make a lot of sense to me. If they are correct and if their predictions of where the weather is headed as a result is also correct ( see climate and ice ages at http://nov55.com/cli.html and super storms at http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/ and the "Day after Tomorrow" http://www.cambodianonline.net/earth04014.htm ), we need to do a lot more than just reduce CO2 emissions. You can find the rest of the details in the links below. Theory on Hot Spot Rotating within the Earth at: http://nov55.com/thry.html Heat in the Earth's Core at: http://nov55.com/heat.html A page with a lot more interesting links: http://www.cambodianonline.net/homeearthchanges.htm Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing at: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5323/215?rbfvrToken=9b3e6a97683c69e3ba0c9f60006b6165cdf21028 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changes
You mean we can't blame the right-wing and SUV crowd anymore? On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Mike McGinness wrote: > I ran into something new (to me) recently on the topic of global > warming, CO2 and the greenhouse gas issue that I decided to follow up > on > today to see if there was anything to it. > > I have spent an entire day reading and searching the internet on the > topic and here are the best links to what I found listed below. But > first let me try to briefly introduce and summarize the highlights of > what I found. > > The main author claims that there is substantial evidence that recent > fluctuations (increases) in the amount of heat released to the earth's > oceans from the earths core has heated the oceans, raising their > temperature and thus resulting in the rapid release of CO2 to the > atmosphere (due to equilibrium shifts in CO2 solubility as a function > of > ocean water temperature) as well as rapid losses of ice at both polar > ice caps. They are claiming that thermodynamic analysis of the changes > in temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere combined with the huge > difference in heat capacity of the ocean (liquid water) versus the > atmosphere (gases) suggest that the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere > is > not the major cause of global warming but that the earths core is > cyclically heating the oceans and forcing the oceans to release CO2 to > the atmosphere. The difference in heat capacity between liquid water > and > air is several orders of magnitude (liquid water has about 1000 times > the heat capacity of air). > > A lot of their thermodynamic and chemical equilibrium arguments make a > lot of sense to me. If they are correct and if their predictions of > where the weather is headed as a result is also correct ( see climate > and ice ages at http://nov55.com/cli.html and super storms at > http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/ and the "Day after > Tomorrow" http://www.cambodianonline.net/earth04014.htm ), we need to > do a lot more than just reduce CO2 emissions. > > You can find the rest of the details in the links below. > > > Theory on Hot Spot Rotating within the Earth at: > http://nov55.com/thry.html > > Heat in the Earth's Core at: > http://nov55.com/heat.html > > A page with a lot more interesting links: > http://www.cambodianonline.net/homeearthchanges.htm > > Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing at: > http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5323/215? > rbfvrToken=9b3e6a97683c69e3ba0c9f60006b6165cdf21028 > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core & climate changes
I ran into something new (to me) recently on the topic of global warming, CO2 and the greenhouse gas issue that I decided to follow up on today to see if there was anything to it. I have spent an entire day reading and searching the internet on the topic and here are the best links to what I found listed below. But first let me try to briefly introduce and summarize the highlights of what I found. The main author claims that there is substantial evidence that recent fluctuations (increases) in the amount of heat released to the earth's oceans from the earths core has heated the oceans, raising their temperature and thus resulting in the rapid release of CO2 to the atmosphere (due to equilibrium shifts in CO2 solubility as a function of ocean water temperature) as well as rapid losses of ice at both polar ice caps. They are claiming that thermodynamic analysis of the changes in temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere combined with the huge difference in heat capacity of the ocean (liquid water) versus the atmosphere (gases) suggest that the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere is not the major cause of global warming but that the earths core is cyclically heating the oceans and forcing the oceans to release CO2 to the atmosphere. The difference in heat capacity between liquid water and air is several orders of magnitude (liquid water has about 1000 times the heat capacity of air). A lot of their thermodynamic and chemical equilibrium arguments make a lot of sense to me. If they are correct and if their predictions of where the weather is headed as a result is also correct ( see climate and ice ages at http://nov55.com/cli.html and super storms at http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/ and the "Day after Tomorrow" http://www.cambodianonline.net/earth04014.htm ), we need to do a lot more than just reduce CO2 emissions. You can find the rest of the details in the links below. Theory on Hot Spot Rotating within the Earth at: http://nov55.com/thry.html Heat in the Earth's Core at: http://nov55.com/heat.html A page with a lot more interesting links: http://www.cambodianonline.net/homeearthchanges.htm Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing at: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5323/215?rbfvrToken=9b3e6a97683c69e3ba0c9f60006b6165cdf21028 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
