Re: [Biofuel] How to make hybrid corn seed ?

2008-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Peter

They're called HYVs, High Yielding Varieties, but other people who 
weren't trying to sell the idea soon started calling them HRVs, 
high-response varieties, since they were bred for their response to 
the chemical fertiliser and pesticide package they came with.

Various studies found that the traditional varieties, the local 
heritage crops, non-hybrids, could perform just as well as the HYVs 
in an organic system using lots of good compost, without any of the 
chemical support. Added advantages were that the farmers could go on 
saving their own seeds: the hybrids don't breed true, farmers had to 
keep buying seeds for the next crop from the seed and chemicals 
corporations. Also it preserved crop biodiversity, which the hybrids 
eroded, often replacing hundreds of traditional local varieties with 
a single monocrop.

Weirdly, the HYVs depended on the traditional varieties they were 
destroying to provide germplasm for new hybrid varieties, because the 
HYVs only lasted a few years before the pests got them anyway, 
chemicals or not, and had to be replaced.

The process represents a paradox in social and economic development 
in that the product of technology [the new seeds] displaces the 
resource upon which the technology is based. -- US National Academy 
of Sciences

This genetic erosion could be the reason you're puzzled about where 
to get A strain and B strain - vanished, in a bowl of porridge:
http://journeytoforever.org/keith_riceseed.html

The traditional varieties are usually much tougher and more resistant 
than the HYVs, and the HYVs are often poor in nutritional quality - 
you get twice as much of half as little, or less. Traditional 
varieties provide much better food security than HYVs. The Green 
Revolution yield increases didn't last that long either. You probably 
don't need them, home-made or not.

We're going to need all the crop varieties we can find. Finding 
sources of threatened or vanishing local varieties and restoring them 
is noble work.

Best

Keith


Hi All ;

We all hear about the green revolution and hybrid vigor which 
increases yeilds.  Does anyone know how to make hybrid corn seeds? 
Is anyone doing this?

In other words, I have read how to make hybrid seeds by planting 
alternating rows of corn with the two different strains, lets call 
them A strain and B strain.  Then you can control the pollination by 
cutting off tassles etc.  Then you need seperate areas to grow the 
pure A strain and pure B strain seperately for planting the next 
seed crop.

So far so good.  Now my question is this : Where do you get the A 
strain and B strain?  Can any strain work?  Is anyone doing this? 
If not, any reason why not?  Any recommendations for strains to try?

Seems to me this would give you hybrid vigor and also independence.

Best Regards,

Peter G.
Thailand


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Re: [Biofuel] How to make hybrid corn seed ?

2008-06-20 Thread Bernard

 Hi All ;

 We all hear about the green revolution and hybrid vigor which increases 
 yeilds.  Does anyone know how to make hybrid corn seeds?  Is anyone doing 
 this?

 In other words, I have read how to make hybrid seeds by planting alternating 
 rows of corn with the two different strains, lets call them A strain and B 
 strain.  Then you can control the pollination by cutting off tassles etc.  
 Then you need seperate areas to grow the pure A strain and pure B strain 
 seperately for planting the next seed crop.

 So far so good.  Now my question is this : Where do you get the A strain and 
 B strain?  Can any strain work?  Is anyone doing this?  If not, any reason 
 why not?  Any recommendations for strains to try?

 Seems to me this would give you hybrid vigor and also independence.

 Best Regards,

 Peter G.
 Thailand
   
Keith wrote:
 The traditional varieties are usually much tougher and more resistant 
 than the HYVs, and the HYVs are often poor in nutritional quality - 
 you get twice as much of half as little, or less. Traditional 
 varieties provide much better food security than HYVs. The Green 
 Revolution yield increases didn't last that long either. You probably 
 don't need them, home-made or not.
   
An analysis was done on hybrid and open pollinated corn, showing that 
the hybrids didn't take up nearly as much nutrients as the OP, in some 
cases the  OP  had as much as 90% more minerals than its  hybrid 
counterpart. I'll post a link to that  research if I can find it.
Bernard



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